Telltale's Walking Dead Ending Was A Masterpiece

[@StomeAura]

Y’know if you would go so far to endangering a child’s life freezing in the cold just to prove a point that someone is dangerous, maybe there’s a reason Kenny would act hostile towards you.

[@Luke_existent]

Not to mention, making Kenny think you just killed a 3 day old baby he treated like his adopted son is pretty bad for your health

[@bigdicknigga3746]

She planned to leave AJ behind if he hadnt started crying he wouldve died. Jane is a traumatized sociopath who constantly sees the ghost of her sister and wanted Clem all for herself because she missed her. It wasnt to prove a point it was to aggravate a man in her way and manipulate Clementine against him. Kenny suspecting Jane killed the baby by ditching it wasnt an unjustified assumption, its literally what she planned to do. You can see on her face after AJ starts crying shes thinking "oh damn it". Its literally a choice between two traumatized people with anger issues and a deep need for this 12 year old girls love, only one would literally hurt her to get it while the other is the only person who knows to take care of her and AJ in her life without ditching them.

[@tjs.5044]

Then she kills herself. Kenny vindicated. She's crazy. Kenny was a loving father.

[@crypt5129]

@@tjs.5044 How can you call her crazy for killing herself?? Genuinely never understood this being brought up as if it's a selfish act, comes off as very insensitive She states that she feels like a burden, like Clementine can take care of herself and AJ and that she's just in her way, so she already feels like her being dead would make everything easier for Clementine. Then, she finds out she's pregnant, presumably with Luke's child, not only reminding her of past trauma, but also putting her in a situation where she can either give birth to ANOTHER baby to take care of when I believe they were running out of food and risk dying afterwards as well, leaving Clementine with possibly two babies all on her own, or Jane can just abort the child. We don't know what happens with abortions in this world, or at least I don't, and she definitely doesn't. Does the fetus reanimate? Would it eat her from the inside, and how painful would that be theoretically? How developed do you have to be before you can be reanimated? If I were her, I'd be too horrified by the idea to even take the chance. Idk, I just feel the conflict between Jane and Kenny is a lot more nuanced than "Kenny is cool and good and loyal to his family and stuff which makes him good but Jane is an evil sociopath who kills babies and also herself because she's selfish and bad", they're both abusive in their own separate ways. Remember, as far as Kenny knew, Jane tried her best to protect AJ, but then he tries to murder Jane right in front of Clementine, refusing to respond to reason or emotional appeals or anything. He saw his son in AJ and now AJ's gone and so he feels the need to take out his anger on someone else, but what if it was Clementine who had done something unintentionally? All I'm saying is that there's definitely some nuance here

[@chokoman6251]

@@crypt5129 nah bruh she a biatch for killing herself lmao

[@seeonaga1524]

I will always choose Kenny over Jane no matter what. It doesn't matter what she was trying to prove, she left a infant baby in a car in a blizzard with Walkers around.

[@liamphibia]

Kenny was right about her. In the end she only cares for herself.

[@Aryan-qv5qk]

While I agree, Kenny is a massive liability

[@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978]

@@Aryan-qv5qk Kenny is the opposite is a liability. Jane is a liability and a weakness.

[@Aryan-qv5qk]

@@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978 he isn’t, he freaks out and explodes constantly Jane is also a liability to a different degree

[@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978]

@@Aryan-qv5qk Kenny never freaks out without reason, as it if always justified. Sure it may be a bit extreme, but that's mostly due to us not understanding the stress or situation.

[@leethomas8916]

I’m sorry I can’t think that Kenny was wrong. These people kept treating Arvo better than their own group, despite his multiple betrays killing many in the group. And I can’t see him as a monster after he insisted you stay in the community. It definitely went against everything Jane said about him only wanting to keep people around that can’t argue with him. He was the same in that he wanted to protect him family, whether his blood or adopted children, just now he can commit to that philosophy. But apparently that made him a monster.

[@noahstarves]

I hate how dumb I was to not play the walking dead when it came out. I hate myself for it.I just finished the game. Seasons 1-4 I just wish that I was able to play it in 2012 because now I feel like I’m completely left out of all this and when this company was popping off. Now they’re not making any more walking dead seasons, but they’re making comics. If you haven’t already, look up the Clementine comics. They completely ruined her character in 12 pages. When Clementine promised AJ she’d never leave him, her character swapped in the first 4 pages, leaving him at the school to go north. Sky bound is ruining the walking dead franchise. I’m gonna act like the comics aren’t canon because I can tell they’re not gonna be amazing. I think season 4 was a perfect ending because Clem leaves off with AJ and the other kids at the school in a big (sort of) cliffhanger which I liked because we didn’t see either AJ die, or Clementine.

[@henryknight9487]

I think we’ve all just agreed to act like the comics aren’t canon. They probably won’t be for long anyways

[@sh1nji0]

Indeed, I still haven't seen a single person who likes the comics, so it's pretty safe to say the community doesn't and probably never will see them as canon, no matter how many they make

[@gowonstan4994]

I know right, in every single season people were always talking about how they were tired of running, and how in s4 AJ wanted a real home for once. Clem and AJ finding a home is the perfect way to end the series. With a perfect ending like that, why bother making comics?? If they were to continue Clem's story they should've just made another game instead. And I also wish I played twdg when the company was balling

[@theunknownuser9609]

The Tillie Walden comics . The Robert Kirkman comics are however really good and I strongly recommend them.

[@wolfywonder8480]

Glad to see someone else watched that video on Kenny! Though I agree with your thoughts on A New Frontier, I think the story was still very important to Clem's story arc. Season two ends with Clementine setting off to become her new Lee, but season three shows her lose sight of that path. She doesn't become Lee in season three, she becomes season two Kenny. Regaining AJ is what helped get her back on the right path, hence the ranch scene. Showing what's assumed to be the end of Clem and AJ's relationship juxtaposed to when it first truly began was thematically powerful, even if it didn't make the most sense with the flow of the story. As that video on Kenny mentions, Kenny becomes a dark mirror to Lee, to show what he would become without Clem around. Clementine losing AJ is what led her down the same path, and to very similar choices. Her saving grace was her humanity and empathy, traits that Kenny relied on Sarita for because he'd discarded them to make the pain go away. Arguably, Javi was also monumental in making sure she didn't lose those traits entirely in the wake of the New Frontier group's meddling and civil war. I was actually pretty surprised to hear your opinions on season two. Most people agree that the first season is the best, so to hear otherwise is always attention-grabbing for me. Though I see many of your points, I still have to rank the second season below the first personally. This is mostly due to how I consume media, particularly stories. I focus a great deal on the characters and forging bonds with them or coming to understand their viewpoint. Season two has some pretty bland characters in my opinion, with most of them barely doing anything or making no sense at all. Specifically, I divide season two's characters into three categories; 1. The ones that go nowhere 2. The ones that make no sense 3. The ones that backstab you for seemingly no reason Luke, Nick, Pete, Alvin, Sarita, Carlos and Sarah are all characters that don't go anywhere - they're never allowed to grow or change as time goes on, they remain static. This is employed with Sarah actively to make her story more impactful, but it doesn't remove the problem. Rebecca, Bonnie and Arvo make little to no sense in terms of how they're presented and the actions they take, while Bonnie, Mark and Jane all backstab you in some way for little to no reason, as their problem lies with Kenny and never with Clem. But, that's just my take, and I respect you for liking season two so much. I think we can all agree that season three is overall the worst.

[@Spinosaurus44]

What you said about New Frontier is very true. I just want to add that I loved the dynamic between Javi and Clementine. Javi was an important character in Clem’s life because it was him that reignited Clem’s faith in other people and the fact that people work better together after the New Frontier had made her lose faith in them. And he gave Clem the confidence she needed to go and find AJ.

[@Rusty.Shacklford951]

The way I see it the ranch scene was Clems nightmare in a way. She "murdered" ajs caretaker. In my 1st playthru I hesitated to shoot TWICE to see if there was another way. I couldn't. And I've never seen aj scared that bad with my playthrus so far. Made me wonder if it was the apocalypse or clem that made aj more less morally adaptable and traumatized

[@davidmacko6309]

i would say that it makes sense for clem living because not only was lee bitten for a longer time but he was also knocked unconcious for an unknown period of time because of said bite then he also had to travel a lot to reach clem and fight not only through a horde but a human as well clem on the other hand was recently bit and traveled for a shorter period of time giving her a lot of time to cut the leg

[@brandonashley5872]

SPOILERS I think the dream about saving AJ was just a disguised hint that she wasnt dead. But it took me a bit to realize that because of the shock of what had just happened. Like when you see her missing a leg it took me a solid couple seconds that AJ had chopped it off. Nobody that had played the entire serious was not a bit in shock after the barn scene taking clem back full circle to Lee

[@Darthinfernov99]

A truly majestic and overall emotional rollercoaster, that this series brought to its fans, I'm so glad that Clementine made it out alive. Truly one of the best series to a video game that I have ever played in my life. And there are many others all around the world, whose hearts have been touched by this game, as well as TWD series as a whole. Thankyou Telltale Games and Skybound Games for completing the series. As well as the #StillNotBitten team.

[@Slickolas]

I always love seeing fellow lovers of the series who are truly passionate about the game and story! ❤️

[@CrowCowz]

Just finished this game and everything you said in this video couldn’t have been said any better. Subbed to you man and hope to see more TWDG content from you in the near future! (Especially with the ‘Clementine Lives’ rumors!)

[@JeremyHannaford]

I'm glad you liked it man. I made this video a few years ago and all of a sudden, it's starting to get attention. I wonder if this Clementine Lives you speak of is the reason why ...

[@iwillswearwordatyou]

I dont want it to end, I am too attached to Clementine to just let her and her story go.

[@Tea23145]

The fact that people don’t want Clem in the next game (if we’re fortunate to get one) makes me sad. How could they just decide they’re done with her? She carried the game aswell as some other characters! I certainly hope she makes one final return..

[@pinguimalfaro5349]

@@Tea23145 Yes I agree. I would say, till the Season 4 I wouldn't want a sequel with her, so the finale wouldn't be ruined. But with the new comics that already screwed the perfect final she got, I would love a new game to fix that.

[@rochipum]

Choosing Jane over Kenny becomes illogical the moment you realize that she could have stopped what was happening by simply saying AJ was fine at any point in time, as Kenny himself actually points out afterwards. Jane forced the conflict and clearly wanted Kenny to end up dead one way or another, and didn't try to deescalate even when she was seconds away from death. Kenny, though clearly losing his mind, would never play a sociopathic game like this and is shown to be the better choice than Jane in literally every single ending with him. Don't get how you can defend Jane, especially with the hindsight of knowing what both characters do when left with Clementine under their care.

[@DaInternetBear]

Not gonna lie, I disagree with the way you played out the end of season 2. Killing Kenny is pretty wrong in my eyes, because Jane’s actions were not selfless. She hid AJ not because she was trying to be altruistic, but because she wanted to prove a point. Kenny thought AJ was dead, and that Jane had abandoned him to his death. At any point she could have told him that AJ was alive and that situation wouldn’t have escalated. And both of Kenny’s endings show that he truly is a selfless and compassionate individual that just ended up in a world that was unnecessarily cruel to him.

[@grogu9215]

Yeah, I felt so guilty afterwards.

[@eliasvm9554]

It's not true that kenny knew she '' abandoned '' AJ, he knew that jane couldn't protect AJ in this difficult situation so he wanted to free his rage in her because it was her fault, kenny saw that and in an act of own selfish desire to revenge AJ tragic end he wanted to kill her, in this situation even tho jane was wrong too for doing all this fake situation just to prove a fucking point that got someone killed for a fucking lie, clementine will not be wrong for killing kenny, as you might already guessed i decided to end kenny's life just to prevent him to hurt anyone else in the future, even tho i love kenny so much and he loves clementine so much too, and clementine too loves him as much as me, he needed to be stoped, as sad as i could get for doing that to my boy kenny it just felt like the right decisión to me for that, so he couldn't hurt anyone anymore that didn't deserve it, just picture this for a second, what if AJ premature death was a reality and jane was responsible? Would you let kenny kill her? Just because she made a mistake or something happend to her in the way to clementine and kenny?, i thought about that and kenny was being evil trying to kill her off just for that, so yeah, killing kenny there is certainly painfull and a really hard decisión but it had to be done :(

[@poett8875]

I disagree about killing Kenny being “wrong.” I feel like shooting Kenny is the best possible death that he could’ve gotten. Because at least that way he dies with some dignity and is finally at peace. Much better than that lazy ass death that they gave him in season 3.

[@aramis4836]

I LOOKED A LOT OF THE LAST CHAPTER REVIEWS. THIS IS BY FAR THE BEST ONE. LOVE U

[@shannon.t]

I worried that the last season was going to be shit when I could put Skybound was doing it, but they came through and gave us an amazing game A new front tier was so forgettable

[@no.ordinary.angelyt]

Amazing recap video. Funny enough, A New Frontier was my favorite and most memorable of all seasons, I thought the last one was a little weak

[@thegavinator2635]

I loved the new frontier D:

[@balljunge8992]

same here

[@zurriex8260]

Jane was asking to get killed

[@phillipsimmons5211]

such a good perspective on themes and the overall plot of the walking dead games. although for some people the story seems weird because they didn’t make decisions that lead to a more fluid understanding, the walking dead games are amazing and have always brought the feeling of the first season of the tv show back into the light. Season 2 was great because it showed the harsh molding of clementine learning what the world had become and using what lee taught her, then season 4 brought great characters and a story that emphasized her continuous challenge of growing up in this world. I like how many of the kids in the boarding school say that they respect clem because she knows how to survive. she has to teach aj what she’s learned and pass this knowledge down. I think this theme is great for zombie apocalypse stories which is exactly what the last of us does so well too. with mostly young adults in part 2 of the last of us it’s all about learning how to grow in a world that is decaying around you. both stories go in completely different directions of course but I feel these similar plots go so well and are done so well at that. Clementines character will always be a tier in all of fiction and I wish there was more season with her and a continuing story.

[@Gyyghhhhjjjkk]

I felt like if they killed off clementine then it would be extra emotional for all the players and more realistic. Regardless the ending was still heartwarming

[@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978]

Something that was a bit gross in the final season was how if you spend time with Violet enough, they'll bring up a moment where you can 'admit feelings toward her' It was just wrong. They had already forced romance with Gabe in season 3, now they're trying to force casual conversation into romance with a girl, playing as a girl. Did they just forget who we were playing as? I'm sure if you chose to hang out with Lious, it would let you have forced romance options with him. but god- it was a bad moment for sure. I ended up letting Violet be taken by the bandits to prevent an option like that from happening again. I was pleased to see that she hated me for not saving her. It was a success.

[@MistahJay7]

Finally someone that actually likes Season 2. I never even pickup the gun at the end Kenny for life

[@Stefanseyes]

We are getting a season 5

[@GarfieldWithAHat]

The game ended perfectly, and I'd like a continuation of clementine's adventures, or even more backstory, or a completely different fictional path. At first I wanted a tv adaptation of the game. Then I saw what people have said that it would ruin the game series by making stuff "canon" and now I wouldn't want that. However I would like a tv adaption of clementine during the big time skips in the games. This or they can just make an alternate universe/timeline clementine, that will follow the games story at some parts that would be important to include, that way they have almost a clean slate to work with. The game ended but that doesn't mean clementine is done and thrown into the trash. We all want more Clementine, but there's also a lot of people who don't want clementine to be ruined, so they have to tread lightly on a possible show.

[@merp7174]

yooo, a wolf among us 2 is coming OUT!! WHOOP WHOOP

[@The_Zuko]

AJ is justified to kill marlon and lilly. Its all about survival. They hated on kenny for being madman on season 2. But no all the other charachters that hate on kenny are soft and weak. Aj killing lilly is good, she is a liar manipulator. Why would u let someone live it is a threat. From start till end AJ did all the right choices, he showed that he is tough boy that is needed in a world like this. The others who hate on him are just weak in this world. Its all about survival, the weakest die.

[@thefilmreel1769]

Finally someone who gets season 2

[@damienlu7318]

Masterpiece? Say what.

[@TimesFM4532]

Tbf the only way I can imagine changing character is switch to antagonist of the other one you play but I imagin after last if us two it’s to much of a risk. But seeing the results of kill or be killed mentality

[@Hushy419]

AJ is a younger version of Lee

[@tSp289]

Amazes me that everyone seems to think whether or not you watch Carver's head get crushed is some kind of moral/philosophical decision. I did it because he still had a gun on him.

[@kovici7226]

jane was incredibly immoral, but kenny was going mental.

[@BrandonTheOverthinker]

Bro I loved the Minecraft story mode games as a kid but hey, opinions are opinions

[@nukeflower.1759]

The person who made this is @jams3d on twitter!

[@JeremyHannaford]

The person who made this video or the we need to talk about Kenny?

[@Fainter7]

Nice video

[@kjtj397]

18:22 context ?

[@JeremyHannaford]

I got to meet Tony Moore, the illustrator of the first five issues of the WD ages ago, and I asked him what exactly happened that he didn't continue with Kirkman. He said, due to legal oblegation, he could not tell me. To have a stipulation like that that early on in his career seems very sus to me. Perhaps it comes across a bit harsher than it should in my video, but that has always rubbed me the wrong way about the guy.

[@aidenevans134]

I wanna know how Kirkman is not that great tbh.

[@rsho3472]

Thankfuly skybound "saved" the last season, Unthankfuly that a 30 yo woman who has a crush on Clementine (16-17) adds herself as a self insert to be with her in a awuful comic that WILL NEVER BE CANON, I REFUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@goujon3071]

I think the comic should've been about javi

[@StreetSweeper5605]

I love the games but I absolutely cannot stand Rick and his kid Carl. Got halfway thru season one and moved on the better shows. 😅

[@ghostflxwer]

Fennoy* not Fione

[@white-7782]

I love that clem didn't die but it made no sense to me bc lee cut off his arm and still turned, but then clementine gets bit and cuts off her leg and she still lives? I don't get it

[@muft8o263]

Well aj cut clem's leg a bit faster than lee cut his arm off, well even tho if it werent for another reason clem would still be a walker from the bite but ill get to that later, now the reason lee took long was the walk to the sewers and then actually reaching that place where the shitty doctor was at aka the place where lee cut off his arm vernon specified that the sewers were like a maze so it took lee a long time to reach the place and the infection on the bite already went far into his body. Now for clementine the reason why she didnt turn even tho she took a long time to get her leg cut off is the injury that minerva gave her, because the blood of clem was oozing from the same place that the walker bit her meant that most of the infected blood was going out from the wound, and that saved her more time. Hope you understood now

[@white-7782]

@@muft8o263 thank you I actually forgot that Minerva cut clem, but in the future she's gonna be a reliability with a shopped off leg and tbh I didn't really like AJ that much so if clem dies or if we're mostly AJ in the next game im probably not gonna like it

[@CadeSkywalkerEU]

No, it wasn’t because of Minerva’s cut. it’s because the bite was under an hour, Lee’s was over an hour. She was bleeding out due to the cut though.

[@cookie.2118]

Remove season 3 and you got a near perfect series.

[@izukumidoriyaisssss3049]

Ok

[@nimloc1670]

I most definitely cried like a baby after Clem got bit. I cried during and after AJ supposedly killed her. And then when I saw her on crutches, I cried again. It's crazy how much we could love a fictional character. It's like we've all simultaneously agreed that Clem is OUR kid, who we've raised since she was eight lol

[@kali9399]

Considering how long the series has been going on it really does feel like growing up beside her. Despite the possibilities of them killing off Clem, Im glad they didn't. I think I'd cry a river if it had happened hahahh

[@KikomochiMendoza]

Oh, def. The entire TT:WD is Clementine's saga. Season 1 and Season 4 are mirrors of each other, Season 2 was Clementine's coming-of-age story, Season 3 ... well its a detour but overall inconsequential (like you could skip this and go straight 2 to 4 and miss absolutely nothing).

[@nickevans417]

Yes, I've never felt emotionally attached to any game character before, but Clementine? I felt I'd do anything to save her. This series definitely had something others don't.

[@West_is_Jelqing]

@@nickevans417 same bro.

[@bobtheball5384]

​​@@kali9399 Admittedly I started watching gameplays of twd at age 10-11 (I'm 19 now) so around when season 2 came out so I really did grow up with this series. And so when final episode of season 4 came out I literally felt my mood completely shift to sadness even when knowing Clem and Aj were going to be alright. I started watching most of the TV show around 17 and 18 but honestly it really doesn't hold a candle to telltale's version. I hope one day I can show this game to my children if I have any which is a weird sentiment but regardless I feel this way strongly.

[@stranger1629]

i ended the last season today and i swear i cryed when aj took the axe to kill clementine. but when i saw her without foot and alive i was glad to see her again. this game really made masterpiece i love it, but about new frontier you are right i everything what you say but jesus and chavi was kind of good actually

[@drbandinit9557]

When l frist saw the pink text that was the same to season 1 l was like "no its not real its just a dream" l srs thought that untill the end when l saw Clem help push Aj

[@tSp289]

Was a bit dumb though tbh, since whatever nastiness had already gone systemic, as you could tell by her colour and weakness. The only way amputation makes sense is if it's immediate, before the infection has a chance to spread. Once it's there... adios. That's why my Lee kept his arm. He knew he was going out, so he needed both hands and no blood loss to achieve his goal. Amputation would if anything make you die quicker because of the massive shock on your system.

[@FunnieApple]

@@tSp289 She was sickly likely cause of a massive amount of blood loss, which is also probably why the infection couldn't spread as quickly as normal. Her surviving makes much more sense than Abel surviving.

[@tSp289]

@@FunnieApple post-hoc justification I think. It's beena while but I don't remember massive blood loss. Either way, blood loss makes you more likely to catch infections, not less.

[@FunnieApple]

@@tSp289 you seem to have wanted some kind of explanation though since you thought it was dumb so what does it matter if it's post-hoc? The real reason is cause it's a game about zombies where the story is more important than any kind of explanation. You can suspend your disbelief for the zombies but bending the rules for bites/amputations is too much?

[@gr4unks460]

I love the split of people who either see Kenny as a loving man that takes care of her, or a final tether to the her old life that needed to be put down. I’ve seen so much from both sides and I love how it splits everyone.

[@JeremyHannaford]

Same here. And at first it kind of weirded me out how so many people could still side with Kenny. But then I remember that's what made these games so cool to play. Not just your own actions, but that of others. I would play through a chapter, and then my wife would play and I would love to see what she did, whether it was different or similar to my own actions.

[@blakemcgee2333]

First time playing I sided with Kenny no matter what after I ran back into him in season 2, and christa only bugs me cause why she disappear lol

[@pinhead1627]

​@@blakemcgee2333 Christa blames Clem for Omid's death, because in her eyes, Omid died because Clem wasn't cautious enough. She wouldn't let Clem die, but she didn't want to stick around with her either.

[@verdun16]

I love Kenny. He was a broken man fighting with the consequences of living in a zombie apocalypse and making hard choices.

[@riqodinero]

I put Kenny down you could tell how much he was broken it was the only real option for him knowing if you stick with him he dies anyway it felt like the right choice reuniting him with his family and the woman he loved

[@Elilamixer]

Season 2 gets lots of hate story wise but I agree with you. It’s my favorite made my heart hurt

[@adono6593]

Bruh I've never heard anyone hate season 2. 10/10

[@desperateimpact9645]

@@adono6593 I agree I love season 2 I just hate Sarah

[@DeadX2]

@@desperateimpact9645 well it's really Carlos fault she's the way she is clem would of been like that if lee didn't teach her to survive

[@CadeSkywalkerEU]

@Fak Yiu Maybe, but in most aspects not so much tbh

[@strawberrymilk607]

@Fak Yiu IMO season 2 is weaker in the writing and characters than season 1. That being said, it does have redeeming qualities, but personally for me season 1 felt more compelling with less redundant characters. Season 2 also feels like Clem is doing all the important work for the adults while they mostly argue, making the adults look incompetent in comparison to a child.

[@White-Spider_26]

Between seasons 1-4 you realize that in seasons 1 and 2 that adults are trying to survive the apocalypse with little thought about how kids would grow up and adapt to a new world. but in seasons 3 and 4 you see that a new generation of young adults trying to survive the harsh and deadly world of The Walking Dead.

[@DevDabs420Official]

Its such a crazy concept, like aj is growing up killing and being in the walker age where as everyone had to adapt to it. I really hope they somehow do a follow up.

[@weezersthebluealbum9479]

Great video, but I think people are way too harsh on New Frontier, yeah, it doesn't matter much in comparison to the rest of the game, but it's still pretty darn good.

[@codedstar25shotz29]

Exactly

[@menotyou9836]

Just played through it again for the first time in years, and going into it knowing it I wouldn’t be Clementine for most of the game helped a lot. I still don’t get what they were thinking with the middle finger to season 2

[@xhivae]

I feel like it could've worked more as a DLC, like 400 days. Not as an integral part of the original story.

[@codedstar25shotz29]

@@xhivae well it just gave a different perspective to the story

[@ghostplasma5590]

its actually the best in the series but people are too blind to notice......

[@ollieb4349]

Every time I see a walking dead game video pop up in my recommended I always crack a smile I miss this game and series so much, good video also

[@JeremyHannaford]

I get that feeling as well sometimes. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@zakschickler4073]

The ranch scene in s4 was a great sequence in the wrong part of the season, I thought it was good they add a bridge between s3 and s4 but they should have added it earlier in the season not at the end.

[@traviselwell3066]

They should’ve replaced it with a final talk with lee

[@tronovonflidder775]

@@traviselwell3066 Nah, we didn't need more talks with Lee. A whole sequence with all the people that mattered to Clementine n' helped her get to that point would be more impactful. Hell, would have been cool if not all the people that haunted her were benevolent. A few nightmares with Carver would have been swell, as well as actually relevant.

[@ryanepic6577]

The main issue I see people bringing up with Telltale games is how your choices don’t matter. But this season made them matter. If you choose to save Louis or Violet it completely changes the other characters life. Either Louis’ tongue getting cut out, or Violet going blind in one eye. Also killing Lily or not does matter, James was confirmed to live after the Cave regardless of if he protects you or not. Trusting AJ or not decides the life of Tenn or Louis/Violet. A lot of people like to compare TWD to Until Dawn, hoping choices matter like that game. But people forget that they really are about the same. In until dawn if you choose the wrong thing characters can die and that’s it. No story changes, just the characters missing from scenes or there maybe being some different dialogue. TWD does the same, there’s just less options for a character to die. And honestly, I’m fine with that.

[@a-zz7fk]

the choices always matter in the last season and only the last season

[@ryanepic6577]

Honestly Season 4 was my favorite season in this series for all the reasons you said. I also think the writers gave some pretty fair reasoning as to how Clementine survived the bite and why she looked so bad. She already lost a lot of blood from the huge gash in her leg and was straining her body a ton. They also confirmed it was about 17 minutes between her getting bit and her leg getting chopped off, which we know is soon enough. Also her being bit on the lower leg, below the giant gash of blood loss slowed the process heavily. All in all I loved this season and the writing, I didn’t hate any of the boarding school kids and they gave characters like Mitch and Marlon good development before they died cast. Also I love Louis, sorry Violet 😂.

[@bullfrog8878]

I disagree with kenny being wrong, jane lied about killing a child lol, she made him lash out like that

[@heroinboblivesagain5478]

She lied about the child getting killed. Not that she killed them. Don't know how yall miss this. Must be the kenny blinders.

[@bullfrog8878]

@@heroinboblivesagain5478 no cus if the child died it would've been Jane's fault because she was in charge of the child life at that time. Kenny wouldn't of lashed out If she didn't lie.

[@Karpnado]

To be completely honest, Jane sacrificing a child (potentially, she didn't know a walker wouldn't get him) to prove a point to someone she saw lose literally everything and kept prodding the full season was enough for me to not side with her. Full on forced the insanity out of him

[@dmytroshutov1444]

Yeah, same thing. And throughout the story, Kenny is shown as the character that cares about Clem and AJ the most, so I just considered Jane as a manipulative f*ck. For me it wasn't even that hard. I just let Kenny do what he did. His actions were justified and I doubt that someone wouldn't be as pissed as him. Like, who the f*ck leaves a newborn child to die in a freezing ass car?

[@Karpnado]

@@dmytroshutov1444 This is what I'm SAYING. Jane defenders in shambles, honestly. She may have helped Clem with some survival skills but she was a complete detriment to her safety overall with her terrible actions

[@dmytroshutov1444]

@@Karpnado To be fair, the way this game tries to make Kenny look like crazy is really bad to the point, that he's actually the most sane character out of everyone (Besides Clementine and Luke, that is). And if the devs made Luke do the same thing as Jane, as they originally planned (which they said would be out of character for him. As if it wasn't out of character for Jane), it would be even worse. So....Yeah. This game is bad. It's a shame, but it had the potential to be on the same level as season 1. Instead both this and season 3 were rushed games with bad writing (although, the devs were forced to rewrite the story, for literally no reason, by Telltale so that's probably the reason why it is so bad)

[@stalagmite.5]

I just noticed that Clem has the same kind of blue clothes as Lee, and AJ ends up wearing the red, like Clem's red hoodie in season 1

[@randomhumanontheinternet9857]

I don't get why videos like this don't get thousands of views. This is a really good video

[@JeremyHannaford]

Thank you random human on internet man! I really appreciate that. This was a fun essay to put together.

[@europeanpatriot8031]

It did get thousands of views...

[@randomhumanontheinternet9857]

@@europeanpatriot8031 Hindsight bias

[@europeanpatriot8031]

@@randomhumanontheinternet9857 It now has tens of thousands of views.

[@JeremyHannaford]

@@randomhumanontheinternet9857 you should make this comment more often on my video me thinks 🤣 It's becoming my most viewed essay video, so once again, thank you ☺️

[@RealCoolGuy]

Man, I wholeheartedly disagree... I thought season 4 was awful! I just didn't care about the Children of the Corn, and overall, it didn't fit Clem's character that she wanted to settle down, especially with some random dumb kids... I didn't like most of the response choices they offered, and the whole story was contrived. I think Season 3 was the highlight of the series; the choices you made there ACTUALLY mattered..and travelled to later episodes. As opposed to the first two seasons where you save one character and then the other dies in the next episode any way. I also liked seeing Clem's growth from an outside perspective. I don't really remember season 2 that well, guess I should re-play it if it's as monumental as you say.

[@goujon3071]

The choices in season 3 don't really matter cuz you never see them again

[@mightytaco123]

I thought I was gunna haaate AJ but I ended up loving him as much as Clemente 😭 The new frontier was a weird azz story. They really tried to make you steal another man’s family his kids, his daughter, his wife. Omfg.

[@gltterati]

I would've been okay with Javi as a protagonist, but there was always an ick to him when I look back. And now you made me remember exactly why lmao

[@bobtheball5384]

Oh god ty for mentioning this. People either ignore the frontier or never mention this part of it. I always just felt mad bad for David whenever I think about it 😭

[@Kazuki_0]

Yeah but clem was a badass in this season

[@crypt5129]

That guy was gone for three years or however long idr, as far as they knew he was dead, and then once they found each other, Kate didn't love him anymore. David was also abusive towards both her and Javier. Framing it as "guy steals his brother's wife and children" seems a bit dishonest imo

[@Spinosaurus44]

Well it’s understandable why Kate and Javi fell for each other. They were together for longer than Kate and David were before the apocalypse and Javi was good towards her in comparison to David who was kind of cold and distant. Plus the fact that they thought David was dead.

[@thecomicbennett]

Ironically the two times I cried was when clem came back and when the credits were on the wall. Seeing clem come back just released all of these emotions that were built up from the previous episodes and seeing the credits on the wall, knowing that this story I spent 80 hours playing was going to end, and also knowing what the developers went through to finish this masterpiece of a story broke me

[@boikanyoonneng9170]

You and me both.. The credits on the wall and the song, "Safe and sound"..

[@dropkick79]

I went the opposite route and told AJ not to shoot at the end. It still works with his character growth since it led to a heated conversation between Clem and him shortly after. One where he decides he is responsible enough to make his own decisions. Either way though, being a father myself it was so tough trying to decide how to approach raising AJ. It really made me question how the hell I'd approach something like this in the real world.

[@Spinosaurus44]

Yep, AJ really tore my heart up when he gave me that speech in the cave, so I finally trusted him and said I know he’ll make the right call even though I was very worried about him. I wish we get another Walking Dead game playing as older AJ so that we could make him behave right this time

[@chriscassidy9625]

Telltale’s TWD series is the only video games that ever got tears out of me lol. Clementines story will be in my mind forever.

[@DoggoBro1]

I loved the ending part where your controls kept switching from AJ to Clementine in the barn. Made it really intense and a good way to ease into changing the controlled character to aj

[@CKProductions-07]

AJ cuts off Clem's leg regardless if you trusted him in the cave. I had to play both choices to unlock some secret achievement trophies on Steam for the You and Me trophy (The you and Me trophy was not trusting AJ in the cave and having one of the Tenn endings) and the Bonded Trophy(bonded trophy was the friendship/friend zone route between Violet or Louis). And the reason for that choice because the creators didn't want to repeat the cycle with AJ killing Clementine, the way Clementine had to kill Lee, and not a lot of players would have chosen the ending of Clementine actually dying or turning into a walker. But Clem had to deal with some sort of sense of loss and sacrifice so that is why they had made it to lose her left leg. And the reason for Clementine not being able to turn as Lee did, was because of the way Minnie had slashed her leg on the bridge. Her leg was oozing blood from where it was slashed open by Minnie, and the walker bit it, so whatever blood was in her leg was oozing out from the ax wound where Minnie cut her open which never affected the rest of her body. And the reason she was pale looking, was because of the blood loss from her leg wound. Minnie kind of did Clem a favor by slicing her leg open.

[@oharoza4851]

Just stop bro It was a bait and switch for Clem’s death her eyes were piss yellow just like lee’s transformation even this guy mentioned it 😂

[@CKProductions-07]

@@oharoza4851 he didn't mention it at all. It was bait from what I remember. Regardless of your choice at the end of letting Clem become a walker or killing her, AJ still cuts off the bitten leg to save Clem. Clementine still lives no matter the outcome of the last choice, because no one wants an ending where Clem dies. So it is fixed that Clem doesn't repeat the cycle of Lee and die, and we all get a happy ending.

[@oharoza4851]

@@CKProductions-07 bro that’s what I just said it was a bait from telltale they wanted the player to think she was gonna die so you could feel something or be sad just for her to show up at the end 🫠

[@Coaltrain7002]

​@@oharoza4851her eyes weren't yellow at all and she wasn't infected no longer then 20 minutes

[@MightyElemental]

I just finished Season 4. Prior to that, I think Season 2 is the most memorable to me. I'll never forget the [Hug Kenny] option 😔

[@gemore]

Bruh who lies about a baby being dead and leaves them alone in a freezing car. Jane was not the sane one

[@MidnightMuffin]

It's FENNOY, not Fioni lmao

[@arianaaguirre1860]

When I first ended the game and she got bit I was balling my eyes out😭 punching my wall and everything😭😭 but when I saw her without her leg at the end of the game I was crying even more😭 bc I was just so happy. It was just a great way to end i game I grew up with and a good way to end Clem’s story because I also matured with her😅

[@apostaanux3555]

i honestly killed lily because i didnt like her attitude and the fact that she was recruiting child soldiers, but i fully didn't expect AJ to load the full clip onto her

[@Lithuanian_NAFO_lad]

"It was half a clip" AJ, the madlad. I would have done the same if it was not for the fact there are better uses for the bullets shot into her.

[@thepassivepasta4982]

I personally liked Kenny's death in season 3, I thought it played into the progression of the new zombified world that you can be armed to the teeth for survival but a car is still a dangerous thing, which I feel like some people would forget in the midst of all the walkers and hostile people

[@tronovonflidder775]

Walkers randomly showing up is pretty common and would be something to expect on the road. Furthermore, even among everything, Kenny still sorta remembers stuff such as kids shouldn't be hearing cuss words or be drinking. So why would he forget seatbelts when teaching a kid how to drive?

[@deiov]

@@tronovonflidder775 i think the seatbelts would have played a minor part if they're both knocked out for some time.

[@αλεξανδροςσαχινιδης]

Man were you spying on me?? I swear I made the exact same choices as you did and my plain of thought is similar to yours for every one them especially the Kenny and clem scene that you chose to see Kenny kill carver and then AJ and Lilly that was exactly what I thought there great vid by the way keep up the good work

[@jamesmilnersbumfiddle3571]

season 3 so underrated I really enjoyed it

[@ExRTc]

I 100% agree. I really enjoyed that game and don't get all the hate about it. I really liked that they didn't focus only on 3 characters (Lee, Clem and Kenny (or Jane)) and actually brought up someone elses story (Xavier).

[@JamarfromAfar]

I like how he referenced innuendo studio’s “we don’t talk about Kenny.” He brings up good points and also bread tube. His video series on the rhetorical strategies and beliefs of the alt right are really good too.

[@takticalgamer4923]

Out of everything I did in this game I could not bring myself to kill Kenny and kept him alive as long as possible until he sadly died.

[@brettthebest3978]

In my opinion I think your wrong about letting go the old ways but I do agree about your saying about survival There should be a middle ground If u just try to survive why are u better than the walkers? Your just trying to live extra seconds, u need to learn to have love because love is what humans are...

[@JeremyHannaford]

Admittedly, you have a strong argument there. But in a world like the one in The Walking Dead, there would have to be a sacrifice in humanity to survive a world like that. Which is why I know that I am totally dead if something like this were to happen lol

[@crypt5129]

@@JeremyHannaford So what if there would have to be a sacrifice in humanity to survive in this world? What good is survival if you're only living for yourself and your own continued survival at the expense of others? Humanity is exactly what is needed in a world like this, what with all of society just collapsed and everyone in the same boat of struggling to survive in a broken world. Empathy is a necessity anyways, but especially here

[@hollowman7168]

Amazing video man sums up my personal things I love and not so love about this serires it has its ups and downs watching clemtine grow though adversity was pretty inspiring they may be gone now but I hope the people who are left move on to even bigger things I miss wolf among us but it did introduce me to fables comics and for that I'm forever greatfull

[@ginagidaro]

I'm glad to hear someone else loves season 2 as much as I do.

[@nickevans417]

I did. Also it had some amazing music. I just had to Learn "In The Pines", it was so haunting. Now I perform it in my music duo.

[@spookypaladin4667]

Fantastic video through and through, but I heavily disagree with your promotion of "We don't talk about Kenny". It was a horrible take that painted the character as nothing more but an abuser with some sad past.

[@theunknownuser9609]

Well he is an abuser with a sad past

[@blackwolfkills]

Clearly, Last of us was inspired by walking dead season 1....if you will pay attention to that you will notice that the game design was similar....that is why the walking dead is one of the best.

[@zach7042]

I let Jane die and then I killed Kenny and I believe that to be a fitting ending to season 2 and its darkness

[@Hellobub]

i finished it about 2 year ago jesus christ time flies

[@dremabry7983]

You made the wrong decision shooting kenny my guy jade was in the wrong y would she put Aj life at risk to prove a point and kenny step up with Clementine and Alvin

[@eliasvm9554]

I think that killing kenny was a painfull and depresive decision to make myself, you are wrong thinking that kenny was right trying to kill her despite what she did to provoke him for that, it doesn't matter because kenny thought that AJ died and that it was jane's fault, he wanted to kill her for a mistake, a severe mistake but a mistake netherless, he was selfish for wanting to kill someone out of a '' mistake '', the right thing to do was killing kenny and put him out of his missery so he couldn't hurt anyone that makes similar mistakes in the future, killing someone just out of rage for your selfish revenge is not ok, being selfish in saving someone could be understandble, but killing someone just because someone died for their fault? That doesn't do anything good to anyone

[@malmal9184]

Good to know that I am not the only one that really wanted to see the next Wolf Among US

[@JeremyHannaford]

Well if things are to be believed, we will be seeing the 2nd season sometime in 2023 ... maybe

[@ahQtr2006]

in my opinion. a new frontier as a game on its own is really good. but since it had to relate to szn 1 and 2 then it wasnt a good idea to go with the new frontier idea

[@Clwnanite]

The ending of this season was a slap in the face to lee. You literally cut his hand off to not only have to go through the rest of the episode with one hand, but it also just does not matter because we all know lee ends up dead. Clementine was halfway turned before her leg was cut.. and she…. Survives….. okay….. 🤷‍♀️

[@goujon3071]

Lee fainted twice before that and many times after and Lee survived for a day while bitten clementine could live 15 minutes

[@charliekart8147]

hope your happy because of the wolf among us 2

[@zSPARTAA03]

Yes but I didnt like that they make clem legless

[@thatterrariaguidenpc8054]

Good video! Although for me I've always preferred Season 3 over Season 2 because of the annoying fact that barely any of the choices in season 2 mattered as well as how some of the adults are rather dumb and had to rely on a child to do some of the works. And I always thought Javier wasn't that much of a bad protag.

[@nickevans417]

"the wind turbine is broken! Hmm, let's get the little girl to fix it."

[@anthonyt219]

I was really annoyed too, clem was just a kid. She shouldn't have that much responsibility or be put in that much risk. She was still at an age where she deserved a childhood.

[@crypt5129]

Idk, them relying on Clementine never stood out to me, barely noticed until Parker's Run, just felt like she was the best person for a lot of the jobs she was given

[@TheSpyGorillas]

the ranch bit probably was a nightmare, a nightmare about a memory that clementine had while she was passed away because of the leg chop. and clementine looking bad at the barn probably was to the blood loss caused by the scar to her leg

[@lukemimnagh2594]

Tbh, the other seasons need to be looked at from the perspective of the evolution of Clementine, each of the seasons show Clem evolving and growing up, finding out how to balance life and love, and more!

[@chickhicks6208]

Also, season 3's art style is just horrible, i hate the graphics. The old, clunky graphics of season 1 and 2 made them so special. Season 4's art style was good too.

[@wolvesarecoming022]

I miss telltale

[@charger2940]

same here man

[@ghostplasma5590]

I disagree with survival above all else. Surviving IS NOT living

[@calebcoyle532]

I cried when aj killed Clem but then I was almost disappointed when she was still alive. It just felt unrealistic, the time between when she got bit and when it got cut off she probably would’ve turned. And I just thought the happily ever after ending was super cheesy

[@goujon3071]

It was 15 minutes Lee lasted a day and the massive cut on clementine would've stopped it from spreading dast

[@vvrenchREAL]

i literally cant kill kenny, not because i like the person he became but i just fucking HATE jane as a character. now it it was a fight between Luke and Kenny... idk what the fuck i would do.

[@JeremyHannaford]

See it's responses like these that I love. The responses have been so different, either with people going my way, or going with Kenny. The fact this divide has been such a contention in the comments for this video reminds me why I loved this game series (except for New Frontier 😂)

[@legend690o]

@@JeremyHannaford you still replying man! Legend😘

[@JeremyHannaford]

@@legend690o I try to when I can. Admittedly, I'm actually quite surprised at the amount of comments this video has been getting the last few months. It gets a resurgence every year or so, so I'm always surprised when it gets back in the algorithm

[@legend690o]

@@JeremyHannaford you are so underrated😶 you deserve millions of subscribers 😇

[@JeremyHannaford]

@@legend690o that is incredible high praise my friend. I just hope everyone who watches my videos can enjoy them for what they are 😃

[@_warframe_2070]

I know it's a really old video, but I just finished all of the games recently and I have to say that I really love the New Frontier. It would be boring to only play as Clementine for 3 straight seasons, but like this, it's so interesting to see how a Lee-like person can affect Clementine's personality. I loved Javier and the family drama because unlike season 4, its about that there is still some things from the old world. Like the family relationships, politics, societies and that being a good person is still valuable and important. The final season literally built from this idea. Like it's not only about kill or being killed. AJ learned that he has to decide who is the good and the bad person, and when he made a mistake, he learned that he has to ask for forgivness, because at the time, he couldn't make the right choice. So yeah, the final season was built around a much tougher idea, but there is still a lesson from season 3 that AJ learned through Clementine at the end of the game. Btw thank you for the video, it was amazing and I pretty much agree with the other things you said.

[@lodomir-sp5gf]

BTW on my opinio lee die not beacose of bite on and with no ARM he dies beacose he lose to much Blood

[@realMisterAchievement]

I really enjoyed your content! Love the game and I love to see what other people choose during the storyline. My friends tell me I always pick the most unusual choices. Did you compare your choices like me? Anyway, great video! I hope they continue the series or make a spin-off!

[@JeremyHannaford]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@lokiikol2917]

Nice video and I was just thinking about Ben. If you think about it Ben was about the same age as the kids in the final season. Yet they are so different, Ben was so unprepared he could never have survived the way these kids have. He reminds me of Sarah and I like the fact that TellTale represented young characters very differently. I think this is what makes the walking dead games great, every character is different and makes sense (for the most part). Like in real life age or background don't mean everything, I think this is what makes their characters so realistic and why players can relate to them.