Castlevania Nocturne Doesn't Deserve the Hate

In this video I take a look at the new Netflix animated series Castlevania Nocturne, based on the 1993 game Castlevania Rondo of Blood, and explore the changes that have been made in translating the game into a new medium, and why the show isn't as bad as some people are saying.
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Castlevania Harmony of DIspair OST
- Castle Dracula
- Pitiful Scion
- Vampire Killer
- Divine Bloodlines
- Ryukotsuki
Castlevania Lords of Shadow OST
- Underground Forge
- Waterfalls of Agharta
- The Ice Titan
- Besieged Village
Trevor Belmont VS Death EPIC VERSION by Samuel Kim

[@whatslife7512]

Wish they had 2 more episodes to pace things out better

[@marcusclark1339]

that shows that the pacing is BAD not that it needed more the reason is cause so much is wasted on the pretentiousness of the pointless episodes like any episode on Annette or the vamp boy that simps for her taking up actual time hence nothing actually happened this season that couldn't be skipped

[@kaiber0390]

Yeah that ain't it chief, og season 1 had 4 episodes and did everything right

[@coreyyoung6052]

this is literally my only complaint. too much in too little episodes

[@rc59191]

I know right? Ten episodes is the best way to help develop things naturally without it feeling rushed or dragged out.

[@callumjohnston858]

@@kaiber0390It didn't though. It was good and fun, sure, but there's plenty of points in it where things sorta just...happen? Like when they fall through the ground into Alucard's crypt.

[@tyrewillis9841]

I gave the show a chance but the writing was was giving me a headache. Like that scene when Belmont wanted to make a plan and they all called him a child and a coward made my head hurt so bad😂 Especially since they just got their friend killed in the previous mission you would think a plan would be a good idea next time around.

[@tyrewillis9841]

i allso wish they focused more on the characters then the fight scenes. Don't get me wrong. The fight scenes are cool but There was hardly any time to breathe in between them if felt like characters would talk for 2 minutes, and then there'd be another fight scene.

[@AverageG50]

You clearly don't understand what bad writing is thsts called foreshadowing because later on we see that he actually was scared

[@tyrewillis9841]

@@AverageG50 no he wasn't scared until the vampire that killed his mom showed up. Plus that would be dumb foreshadowing. in what world would making a plan be a bad idea?

[@tyrewillis9841]

@@AverageG50 You forget he had an entire scene of him killing vampires "Yelling, who's next?"😂 up until that one vampire slowed up

[@ultimateme3049]

You do know that characters being flawed is not the same thing as bad writing.......right?

[@kalamantea]

It has a pacing problem, but so did the previous series, yet we still loved it. I also think the changes to the source material is a welcome one. It added more substance to the simple "man saves girl from vampire" and it honestly gave vlad a break. And for those saying that the creators of the show hate the source material, I'd say it was inevitable that big changes were going to happen anyway. With how the last show ended, all the changes they made for that one is gonna have lasting effects on any new castlevania series they make. I'm just glad that nocturne is still as good as it is.

[@callumjohnston858]

Exactly. Not to get all comparative, but my biggest problem with The Last of Us was that it kept so closely to the source material, to the point of copying whole scenes, even when the context of the show didn't support it. And the performances fell into this weird uncanny valley of trying to copy another actor's performance. That wouldn't be as big an issue in Castlevania, but the point is that it's an adaptation with its own story and context. Dracula's arc is done, and he's moved on. Dragging him back would be insulting to the audience and to the previous show. Changes to characters is inevitable because, well, the SNES and PS2 weren't beacons of quality writing. Don't get me wrong, characters served their purpose, and I loved a lot of PS2 games, but modern TV is a different bar to clear.

[@MisterHeroman]

Minus the fact that it's not good.

[@jawadakram3936]

@@callumjohnston858true but why them make a castlevania adaptation?

[@callumjohnston858]

@@jawadakram3936 Can't speak for them, but maybe they played it at some point and it left an impression. Doesn't seem like it'd tie into any current major Castlevania releases or trends, so it seems unlikely that it's a promotional thing. It genuinely just seems like someone liked the series, wrote some fanfic, and it got published and hit it big. Which happens more often than you'd think. The Witcher games, for example.

[@jasongarrett768]

The pacing is absolutely my big problem so far(followed by “still needs more Castlevania music” but that’s on Konami apparently). Just giving the plot and characters some time to breathe would have helped a lot. Honestly it was quite more nuanced than I was expecting too. And while I still don’t really dig how much of Castlevania’s wild menagerie is flattened into the Night Creatures thing I am intrigued by the rebellion taking place with Edouard. (actually the biggest problem is that Juste doesn’t have a blue outline and the music quality doesn’t turn crunchy as hell whenever he’s onscreen and also his shack isn’t an eyebleedingly oversaturated eyesore SO MUCH FOR ACCURATE ADAPTATIONS)

[@Peasham]

I mean tbf night creatures are a decent solution to the problem of including so many unhinged designs that wouldn't make sense otherwise

[@imatiu]

The series is not bad, but it's also not great either, the original Castlevania series had a great introduction for both the main antagonist and the main hero, meanwhile Nocturne's set-up is, meh, not bad but also not good. The problem is that the villains we get in Nocturne are not interesting at all, at least not at the beginning, and the season itself doesn't have many great moments or plot progression. It's essentially the season 3 of the original series, but without the Issac subplot, so there is almost nothing worthwhile in this season. I get the point about adaptations having to be different, but if that is the case then picking Richter as the protagonist for this story doesn't make sense, because his story is so videogamy, characters like Shanoa, or Johnatan and Charlotte would have made better characters to adapt to a series, but they picked Richter because he is the poster boy of Castlevania alongside Simon. This means they wanted the popularity of the character but they also wanted the freedom to do whatever the fuck they wanted with the story, this is a Red Flag, a huge one at that, it means that the writers are perfectly content with manipulating the audience and they don't care much about the original canon. As of now, this series isn't worth a watch, the story is lackluster and it's more setup for seaon 2 than anything else.

[@marcusclark1339]

it is indeed bad, so much is wasted, ruined every character and shoved in needless plots to push their agenda look up the writer's reaction - narcissism cause they never think they're wrong cause they live in a echo chamber

[@arturobravo701]

I agree with your points. I feel people are just hating this show for raceswaps, gay vampires, when in fact the show is much more than just that. Annette and Olrox were none character in the game and in this show they get more of a unique personal story. There is a lot they can go with the characters obviously they had this in mind when they developed the show. Ricther is much younger than Trevor so he can grow a lot just like all other characters. And people say he wasn´t a badass come on! Did you see the last episode? Its just him being OP. So I am generally just sad people can appreciate when a show tries to be more than just a simple source material. I feel like people want to see Dracula be the main antagonist in every season and series, it would be so dull and repetitive. Give the show a chance folks! Otherwise we will just continue to get the same repetitive stuff.

[@yinyanimations151]

What did he do to earn his magic again? He didn't do Anything at all so regaining his magic was unearned.

[@arturobravo701]

@@yinyanimations151 he suprassed his childhood trauma after realising that otherwise his friends would die and he would end up like Juste. Sad and lonely

[@johannessimola1615]

I hate it because of the flase promises of nocture being rondo of blood and SotN in anime but were is shaft as main villain, were is death and heavy references to chaos entity whom avatar dracula is and were is dracula as chaos will would influence him...... Show with name castlevania and those claims 8/10 with those 3/10 and if you haven't completed 10 castlevania games your oppinion doesn't matter.

[@callumjohnston858]

@@yinyanimations151 He realised where his strength came from: Fraternity. Hence the headband. If you look, all 3 of the main character trio represent liberty, egality and fraternity.

[@callumjohnston858]

@@johannessimola1615It's a continuation of the previous show. Dracula's arc is done, and bringing him back would be like bringing Palpatine back. These aren't the games, they're an adaptation.

[@gabrielpena1371]

I agree with a lot of your points, and I don't think the show deserves all the hate it's getting.

[@johannessimola1615]

because they claimed to make anime about rondo of blood and SotN.... were is shaft as main villain and references to chaos and return of death... like have you even beaten 5 castlevania games?

[@Ninjaananas]

​@@johannessimola1615 It is a reimagination. And with the ending of the first Netflixvania, they had to make a different story because the story was already heavily changed.

[@johannessimola1615]

@@Ninjaananas Well no they didn't as reincarnations of Elizabeth are only thing keeping Dracula from acting chaoses influence and Lisa was one also We had first Castlevania confirmed Leon Belmont came to wallachia in search for Job which was tied to lament of innocence were Elizabeth died before The start and Mathias manipulated Leon so that he would Become Dracula and Leon swore he and his bloodline would hunt the night and his old friend and he came to wallachia in his hunt. As Lisa was still a human she would still die long before start of this story. And still they could have used chaos as The main villain with these game shaft being its high priest.

[@Abonphire]

Loved Nocturne. I’m sorry but the hate seems so childish to me and there so many people making pointless videos convincing others to hate it . Keep hating call cause we getting a season 2 and I’m here for it.

[@greyknight627]

It’s not childish to point out the show has flaws, is way too bloated with plot/character building that doesn’t go anywhere, because it’s a measly 8 episode season. There are legitimate grievances with the show that indicate it’s not as good as the OG series. Just because your fee-fees don’t like what people are saying doesn’t make them wrong.

[@Abonphire]

@@greyknight627 okay let me rephrase myself I’ve seen nothing but childish arguments. Like this one. The character building was great and gave focus to the whole crew unlike the oh series that just focused really on 3 characters. The OG shows have short seasons too so again just pointless reason honestly I said what I said. 🤷🏾‍♂️ I’m not mad tho we getting a season 2 to explore there characters more so is fine by me.

[@williampearson6299]

@@greyknight627 Your criticism is flawed because this is geared towards a female audience, nerds consistently have issues when properties lean towards relationships and romance. They say it's lowers the property but GIRLS have different interests. Ever watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Twilight or Star Wars Prequels. Nerds hated the prequels because they focused on Anakin and Padme's romance. To be fair, George Lucas SUCKS at writing romance. Guys prefer season long episode preparing for a fight like in Dragonball Z, why isn't that considered terrible?

[@Curioushelvetic]

Thanks for providing a better take on the series. Till now, I have mostly seen negative takes on the series, which are all complaining using the same mute points. For me, I believe the anger is less about the narrative being told, as the first castlevania series also deviated a lot. Rather, I think people are getting triggered by seing homoerotic and non-white stories as centerpieces to the story. Isaac from the first series, who was also raceswapped from a castlevania game, had a lot less controversy surrounding him, as his story could be delegated to a sidestory. Being bi-sexual and mostly into men myself, this reaction genuinly scares me. So thanks for showing me, that reasonable people exist.

[@miranolastname2366]

I dont mind if writter took liberty to make a completely new adaptation. But the show is just bad even as a new makeover of Castlevania. The thing is Isaac is done right. He had a good writting. Annette? Not so much. They girlboss her too hard and made Richter like a side character. She's too arrogant, thinks she's always right and a Mary Sue. Hell, the whole writting is just bad. Bad pacing, bad dialogue, bad character chemistry. It has no continuity from previous Castlevania (eg; Richter who is a Belmont doesnt know what a nightcreature is? Riddiculous. The previous serious had Dracula gathering all the strongest Dracula but Erzsebet is nowhere in the prequel. Theres more but I wont flood it here). Watching it was a headache, I can only stomach till ep6.

[@williampearson6299]

Nerds are babies

[@luliu4572]

I have to ask, in a show about vampire hunting, why do i have to sit through a lecture of Haitian slavery to get to the vampire hunting? Why do I, a black man, need to see non-white stories in a show set in white Europe, based on a game from Japan?

[@jcaesar19871]

@@luliu4572 Because the writers want you to, so you can be impressed with their virtue siginaling.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@luliu4572just consume product.

[@halfknight2310]

I just wish we had nocturne be longer. so we could REALLY get to know the characters, their struggles, their aims and goals, etc. I wanted to know MORE of everyone. it's why I love olrox. he has motivations, his story and just his personality. the way he seems so DONE with everyone around him. how he isn't blindly loyal to Erzsebeth, but actually showed uncertain to her. and then also turning against her. the way he acts, not some blood thirsty sadistic monster. he kills when needed to. but doesn't kill blindly with no remorse. he's also shown to care and to have weakness. he was scared of erzsebet and was smart enough to know, he couldn't beat her. Drolta also intrigued me, her modern sort of "dominatrix"/ succubus style of clothing and design intrigued me. she was SO different from the other vampires. and the fact she said she was a priestess of egypt, showed she's pretty old for a vampire. also, the pacing was something I had issues with. not too bad. I still enjoy it. but... some arcs felt too rushed. annette and her slave master. she beats him when on a mission she wasn't even focused on. Or Richer regaining his magic in basically 1 episode. also, I love how it's touching on how the night creatures aren't blind savage monsters. they are people. they do have souls and personalities. they show personalities, conflicts, and just feel alive. (while yes, the original series did do this. but it was nice to see more). one more thing that I love of both Castlevania stories. is that it showed vampires having emotions. they seem so human despite being monsters. they have their ranging personalities. the scene where we see a vampire woman mourning the loss of her vampire husband pulled at my heart strings a bit. Hell, Erszebet dancing with the girl was quite cute, while also not forgetting she's a monster and fully acknowledging. she's just using the girl as a bloodbag and pet. I don't like annette. now, I never played the games. so, it's not cause she was race swapped or changed. it's her personality. the way she blames others when she was at fault. She pushes out her trauma, about her slave master, yet she kinda brushed aside that richter also lost his mother to a vampire. is nocturne absolutely terrible? of course not. is it as bad as so many people keep saying? no. but is it still good and will I still watch it? hell yes.

[@WoWsalutare]

i liked the show, i saw no problem with the new characters, don't know why people are saying this season is woke or something, i prefer variety in the characters.

[@williampearson6299]

Because it has slavery in it. Americans are uncomfortable with their own history, ironic since they wrote it.

[@johannessimola1615]

its shit as they brake cannon of rondo of tghe blood and SotN while claiming the show is based on them.

[@CastlevaniaDXC]

​@@williampearson6299don't forget all the LGBTQ bullshit lmao

[@OReily08080]

​@@williampearson6299certain Americans are uncomfortable, that's why they're trying to ban or waterdown slavery in some schools

[@juliuskingsley4400]

@@johannessimola1615”based on” doesn’t mean it’s gonna be a direct one-to-one copy. They’re not even in the same canon

[@MadRespectTV]

This series didn't work for me because of the world building. While I was at first fascinated by the setting being during the French Revolution, it was terribly executed. All the Vampires are aristocrats and somehow MOST of the citizens know exactly where all they all are - practically on the otherside of town. These were the years of Maximilien Robespierre who drove mass executions by guillotine against anyone even hinting support for the old rule of law. Those vampire havens would have been raided, overrun, and cinders within weeks. French revolution + mass hysteria vampires would bring = vampire's plot and story line never getting off the ground given the historcal context

[@pedrobergamim565]

The show is Awesome. People are hateful Theses days…

[@BradLad56]

You're misunderstanding them. It's not 'hate', it's just that they are very passionate about the franchise and they just wanted a more faithful adaptation of Rondo of Blood. While I disagree with some of the major criticisms they have, I do understand where they're coming from. Writing it off as just hate for the sake of hate isn't helpful to anyone.

[@lpk6372]

​@@BradLad56I will say some of them for sure but A LOT just want to hate media involving anything WOKE which doesn't mean anything more then anything they feel uncomfortable with. Hey maybe I'm wrong but it certainly feels like we are in that age of outrage.

[@drippi2129]

How are people hateful? Are they hateful for pointing out the many flaws in this series..? Why are you rejecting their opinions to prop up your own? Just curious.

[@lonicela]

​@lpk6372 Yeah, I don't mind fair critcism, but I've seen lots of people throw that word around so carlessly.

[@drippi2129]

​@@lpk6372 Woke is the insertion of moderns day elements while sacrificing writing, storyline, plotlines, and character development. Woke is used to sum it up, because those added elements will be used to attack and dismiss any legitimate criticism of an I.P.

[@Epiphanystone]

I found it weird that Annette was race swapped and then written with every trope and stereotype 🙄. I’m black and I hated the black character so much because she was written so badly.

[@stevewonder6951]

She was the best character. Belmont was the worse, almost made the show unwatchable cause of him

[@Epiphanystone]

@@stevewonder6951 nope not in my opinion.

[@williampearson6299]

@@Epiphanystone My wife is black and she loves Annette. She thinks that this is how they should make Vixen on DC. And it's weird how your icon is of a white person when you harbour such hate for a black character too. Kind of gives off the impression of self hate.

[@lakiog1938]

​@@williampearson6299a White commie talking about racial self hatred is absolutely INSANE

[@jayc5248]

I gave Castlevania a 5/5 and Nocturne a 2/5. The pacing and writing was awful. So many things going on with no build up. The characters were dull and lack substance compared to the original Castlevania series. Annette blowing their cover and the Richter running away scene DID NOT help their case. The chemistry also seemed forced.

[@ultimateme3049]

Couldn't have said it better, i don't have issue with criticism towards the show, but a lot of the hate is completely unwarranted and bad faithed

[@decas5505]

I would like to disagree, the series DOES deserve the hate but NOT for the reasons everyone is using to give it hate

[@j.fletcherskorpius551]

It's better than what people say it is

[@henrik2943]

Regardless of all its critiquie and or praise the main problem commes from the fact that you as a viewer ask yourself all the time, why, why why! There are so many things characters do and say that arent consistent, makes no sense in regard of what is established, lead to nothing, feels forced. Anette and Eduard randomly showing up at the perfect time, Anett having knoweldge about night creatures while neither Richard or his uncle have. The Knight dude suddently having change of heart when the priest tries to sacrifice Maria. (There are no scenes that build up to this, all he have had are some random sex sceene who came out of nowhere with talk that didnt lead anywhere). Why does no one in the church raise the alarm when the Necronomicon is stolen. Why does Richard whip and sword randomly disapear in some cutsceenes. Why does the whip sometimes kill vampires while other times it doesnt harm them. Why does Richard assume his family is safe after leaving them in the dungeon. Why is no one angry with him when he commes back. Why is Richard and Anette having a moment? Why is Anette litteraly the main character. Why does Anette lead the group in every sceene instead of Richard. Why does she get a longer back story than the main character and everyone else combined. Why does every cry all the time? Why does Richard not getting instantly killed aftee getting caught by a random group of vampires? Why does Richard who doesnt know if his family and friends are alive after leaving them for dead, awaken his magic, by thinking about how he needs to protect them?

[@Peasham]

Characters showing up at the perfect time is a staple of media, Annette was trained by a psychic who could see the future, Mizrak is repedeatly shown to be a true believer in God morals included, morals Emmanuel has completely abandoned, there is no sex scene, no one at the church noticed that the Necronomicon was stolen, we see Richter's whip being taken and him throwing his sword, this whip is not the Morningstar and acts the same as Trevor's whip at the start of the original series, Richter literally gets over his trauma via the guilt of not being there to protect his family, they're not angry at him because they're well aware that it was a trauma response, Annette doesn't get half the screentime of Richter. So bascially, watch the series.

[@henrysilvabello2546]

Historically the french revolution was a period of extreme violence and bloodlust, specially from the side of the revolutionary army. They decapitated anyone who thought different, because they were religious fanatics of their ideology. The period was even called The terror by the revolutionary leader, Maximilien Robespierre.They were more of vampires than the noblemen from their times. The show is more concerned in virtue signaling than telling a good story, that's the problem. If you are going to use a period of time to tell your story, you better know it good to use it's themes with intelligence. Also, no hero runs from their enemies and leaves his friends alone.

[@hunterblane610]

How does the show virtue signal? He ran because of literal trauma, which he gets over by the end of the series.

[@henrysilvabello2546]

@@hunterblane610 because it uses history in convenience of today's political agendas. It also uses the 'christian bad' narrative to the absurd point of make the priest an ally of demons. That's throwing logic through the window, as he allies with them to fight the revolutionary human army, but the vampires are directly enemies of God and even more powerful. Also, Anette 's character, the most chaotic and bad of them all, never takes accountability of her actions because of her slavery narrative. And Richter is a coward, because a true hero never abandons his allies. This goes further in having no respect for the source material, as he is brave and faces every danger with no hesitation in the game. You can call it character development, but that is not the character of Richter or any real hero in the first place.

[@Darth1Marik]

It. . .deserves to be heavily criticized. People hate it and theres no stopping that but theres good reason. The writing is just god awful. The priests master plan for keeping the church alive is. . .siding with Vampires? To make a demon army? Ummm wtf? Also I love how they complain that France is suffering with rampant starvation since this is supposed to take place during the French revolution but. . .everywhere they go theres plenty of food and everyone seems to be in a good mood. What an absolute pile of dog shit. It's such a huge disconnect from what they are describing. Glaring issues like this before I even get to the somewhat small woke parts. Namely the needless race swapping that also plagued the first series. It may not be one of the worst things I've seen but it certainly is not good either. On a scale of 1 to 10 it get's a 3. Maybe a 3.5

[@thatonkgau5221]

At first watched I loved Nocturne and couldn't understand the hate but after seeing the reviews I understand the criticism. I still love it but I see the flaws and the plot holes like the priest sides with the vampires to protect the church. He helps them by providing them with night creatures but if he's a forge master with magic. Why can't he create a night creature army to protect the church from the revolutionaries and the vampires. And the group dynamics aren't properly set up and developed Edword dies after we just met him an episode later. So we don't feel anything for him because we barely know him. And we don't see how they become proper friends and develop a group dynamic.They just get along easily and with no conflict. Even the thing with Richter running away they get over very soon. We don't fully explore the different personalities and see how they work together.

[@williampearson6299]

I think people need to let a property have room to grow. The first Castlevania did its job with the world building. But we always want new audiences. Gaming industry is pretty male dominated, and women like relationships and romance. Nocturne was written differently like it had a female CORE audience in mind. That's why nerds are complaining, they don't like that at all, they prefer mission and action.

[@keigoftw]

Considering how Netflix is starting to flag from the industry giant it once was, we really do have a prayer of getting Soma! When things starting going downhill, networks cling to their staple franchises like their life preservers! The show just needs to get approved while they still have the money (and since I don't think their likely to completely fail any time this decade, its probably going to happen sooner rather than later) Stranger things is ending! We are liable to get Soma and then eventually something about the World Wars, because franchises can never die, right?

[@vlad_ussr8390]

Idk, I think it's mixed. Cause I saw much more posts about the series being liked on the subreddit. I do agree it isn't bad but personally I think it's comparatively to the other series isn't as good. It's a 6/10 show but compared to the other series it doesn't compare. Like Richter getting mastery of his magic suddenly, or lore changes/inaccuracies. Like Richter somehow not knowing what a night creature is while he said he knew all of Belmont history and night creatures would be bloody important.

[@venepskeuten9206]

My only main issue is that the main villain feels a bit weak in terms of character and that the theming is very on the nose. Not always equally smoothly integrated which can be a bit jarring at times.

[@billyboleson2830]

Im scared for how the DMC cartoon is gonna be

[@helloretard728]

Nah this series sucks. You could easily have an interesting story with Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the night without changing too much of the source material.

[@greyknight627]

I loved the OG Castlevania show, I HATED Nocturne. It wasn’t just because they got stuff “wrong,” they made a mess of everything (pulling from drastically disjointed games, putting in WAY too much plot for too many different characters, not nearly enough action, and fundamentally changing many characters to be unrecognizable from their VG counterparts). The OG series was clearly developed with honoring the game franchise it came from. Nocturne was anything but that. It was bloated, confusing, and a pale shadow of its predecessor. For example, putting it into the backdrop of the French Revolution may look like it made sense, but it does NOTHING for the narrative. It was a waste, unimportant, and had 0 impact on the show other than its mentioned. You could remove it and nothing would be lost. Also, Orlox WAS a Castlevania character and did show up in Symphony of the Night, Moonlight Rhapsody, and in the 2037 era game.

[@williampearson6299]

That's your opinion.

[@BlueMediorium]

​@@williampearson6299 A valid one. You, however, have none.

[@Rosellamajicx]

Let’s be real. They hate all the coloured characters in the show and didn’t really care to watch and understand the show

[@luispalao7418]

My least favorite moment was when Richter got his magic back and says something along the lines of, “I was going to say something cool, but fuck it”. It’s like Marvel writing has infected pop culture. Then there was Maria who asked, “Why are you wearing a headband?”. Fucking cringe. Richter recovering his magic is cool but it honestly feels unearned and contrived. He’s a side character in his own story, etc.

[@madmintentertainment6268]

its just kinda...uninspired. Its a ton of "payoff" moments with barely any buildup. Like Richter getting his magic back was meant to be this big moment. But the guy threatening him isnt even a named henchman and he literally just kinda showed up, theres no catharsis in him dying. I feel like Annette should have had her own series because everything about her and her backstory has no relevance to the greater story so every cut away to her backstory feels like its wasting time, which is a shame because its a cool story, the idea of a vampire plantation owner is a specific kind of terrifying . She also kept making really dumb decisions , following two ancient vampires who should easily be able to hear her but just... dont( she then gets rewarded by coincidentally bumping into the one vampire she wants to kill, alone). And letting her anger get the better of her which got Edouard "killed" and then her later reflection on events was "I shouldnt have left him" like... no, you running wasnt the problem, you getting angry and exposing your presence was. Its like they are taking deliberate steps to not have her learn despite her being a really competent character and it was frustrating.

[@captainlovebug]

I really enjoyed it. I also really liked the ending. I've really gotten down with each of the seasons. I loved Orlok and as a gay man, I really dig how much lgbt representation is in this series and is never made a big deal. It makes me feel so seen and happy! Also because a lot of the LGBT characters are always such bad asses. I love it. I wish Drolta didn't go out the way she did though. Like I get it, but I really liked her as a villain.

[@jasongarrett768]

Someone had it out for her after she burned through the costuming budget. But yeah, Olrox and Mizrak were unexpected favorites in terms of potential dramatic tension.

[@OReily08080]

Yeah, I did not expect Olrox to be one of my favorites

[@MrIsacMB]

I mean, I really liked the afro magic, based on candomble and umbanda(idk the english names for the religions). But the way Richter was done made me really sad :/

[@Expensive-Bad]

People always hate change. I loved the changes.

[@ZER0O9]

No, it definitely deserves the hate, especially if you're a die-hard fan of the games, if you arent then i could see you giving the show a few passes.

[@williampearson6299]

You're an American aren't you? Americans are triggered over their own history and its laughable. So they were supposed to gloss over the slavery aspect? They did change the plantation owners to be vampires so you don't have it identify with them when they die. Chill, Bro

[@kepeboi]

I couldn't agree more. It's gonna get very old super fast if they keep recycling Dracula as the main bad. They already established in Season 3 and 4 that Dracula accepted his peace. Also, his ending at Season 4 really cemented the fact that he's happy now that he's been given the 2nd chance at life. The story shouldn't revolve around him too much especially there are more sinister characters out there in the Netflix narrative that make Dracula look like an Anti-hero at best. If we compare the Dracula in the games, he's just a one-note villain that keeps losing. It's not gonna be very sustainable especially if they keep bringing him back every damn season just to frickin lose.

[@laughacct88]

I said similar on a hate thread. The entire show would take place in a castle lol…

[@viobliterator]

All the ingredients of a great series were there but it was just poorly executed... I wouldve personally loved just an OVA style spinoff series of Anette's journey with Voodoo magic as she tries to rescue Edouard and then she meets Richter and Maria

[@tokyoinooshi4836]

I just finished up show. I loved it so much. Can't wait for season 2

[@Abonphire]

Let’s be real I think a lot people hate this series mostly because of the colorful cast let’s . I love the cast and characters

[@marcusclark1339]

its a bad show with bad characterization caused by writers thinking they push any hamfisted agenda with no pushback, race swapping Annette ruined her character cause it was done to INCENTIVIZE making it about slavery which shows the real point, the writer's wanted to shove in story about that and used Annette to do it, making her entire plot separate from the main one same to revolution and Church bad messaging, what does any of that have to do with why we're here, to watch vampires fight vampire hunters, that's why its terrible, its done for cheap agenda pushing and tokenism so they can get praise by media for "inclusion and diversity" by making them one note its just a bad show once u actually think about it

[@june2613]

​​​@@marcusclark1339In the original games, Annette was mostly just a plot point, so any added characterization is welcome. So, I don't believe in this fake swap outrage. I agree they should have handled Annette's character arc better, but black characters simply just existing isn't "woke", and people definitely need to go outside

[@booskie4316]

@@june2613 For real. It's a series about revolution and which ethnic group has needed the most freedom from oppression? Those European peasants think they have it bad, whereas in Haiti people were literally being dismembered in the streets by the Spanish.

[@Abonphire]

@@marcusclark1339 again when I say pointless arguments this is what I mean. The changes made to characters made actual historical sense. Annette got more development then the game with an amazing backstory but you probably couldn’t see past the color right? People acting like Castlevania had the deepest story which it didn’t not a bad story but was never that deep the show really does a great job at flushing everything out just like the last series. It’s not a bad show you’re just mad lol keep crying about it buddy lol I can’t wait to see my mixed Belmonts 😈

[@CRAgamer]

Don't make this about race that's the losers scapegoat

[@biggypupps9628]

i dont see why ppl are hating on the show the animation is great the plot is compelling and the fights a amazing

[@gomiko8979]

The only hate I saw were from hardcore castlevania fans. It wasn't even really hate, more like they just disliked it because it was different. And some still understood the changes.

[@xenodusk5750]

even if you take away the changes this is still a much worse season 1 than og castlevania

[@ninepuchar1]

*Perfection huh? There is no such thing as perfect in this world. That may sound cliché, but it’s the truth. The average person admires perfection and seeks to obtain it. But, what’s the point of achieving perfection? There is none. Nothing. Not a single thing. I loathe perfection! If something is perfect, then there is nothing left. There is no room for imagination. No place left for a person to gain additional knowledge or abilities.*

[@Ian-ky5hf]

Great Video! I honestly really love Castlevania Nocturne. I believe we will get more of the story beats from Rondo of Blood in subsequent seasons. They are fleshing out the the world and characters while uses what story there is I the games. Some things are change but they really do use a lot of the Castlevania storyline and lore.

[@marcusclark1339]

they aren't its just bad no matter how one slices it

[@Timmir00]

As people have said. The problem this season has is mostly just pacing, and I'm pretty sure that is likely on Netflix's fault for it. Netflix likely only ordered 8 episodes and the show runners had to find a way to fit the show within that timeframe while also reaching what felt like the natural climax of the season. I would like to believe that if they had one or two more episodes to work with, the pacing of the season would be at least a little bit better, and there would be more breathing room for things to naturally happen.

[@katehpink]

im a huge castlevania fan bc of the netflix show so when i finished watching nocturne and went on youtube to see so much hate it saddened me because i enjoyed it so much :'( im glad people here also liked it too! i think the animation itself is already beautiful and the story is so unique and i love having something like this to watch because there aren't many action packed vampire shows like this out there. anyways! loved it, OBSESSED WITH ALUCARD and i can't wait to see season 2

[@dkchariot2716]

I like nocturne’s artstyle more . And I only liked the firsg castlevania at season 2

[@Garthantula]

Yeah, I thought the part where Shaft and his acolytes resurrected Dracula was particularly well done.

[@69Nameless69]

I didn't like They made Richter a bitch for two episodes then he returns to be a proper Belmont and how Annet disrespect him when she can't even control her anger

[@Iamsidorra]

Finally! Some INTELLECTUAL discourse on this show. I’m so tired of people complaining about Annette, Complaining that the show is too “political”, or just crying about “bad writing” (even though the show is cleverly constructed). You get a thumbs up for not being a mushed brain crybaby!

[@borahtae]

Hehe I guess I am one of the mushed brain crybaby😅 but I genuinely want to know which parts were good writing? (Sometimes I have trouble looking at the bigger picture). I think the show is good: animations is stellar and characters are really interesting! I just thought the story was all over the place (attempting to cram everyone’s character developments in 8 episodes). Or that the only way the story progressed was because of outside coincidental forces (Olrox revealing himself when they went to find Eduord, Juste Belmont just happened to be in the town Ritcher ran off to, or the vampire hunters passing by the seemingly nowhere town) rather than a character doing something outside of their own accord (like how the gang went to the island to see what was popping). I suppose there was no driven force and more reaction? I dunno, I guess I wish I had seen an amalgamation of the two. But what do you think?

[@ultimateme3049]

No, you are not proud of that crowd pal, your points are actually pretty interesting and valid, your comment is actually the first one i see addressing these points.@@borahtae

[@EnnuiwolfLG]

Your breakdown, hilarious clip inserts and just general love for what you're doing is fantastic!! Instant subscription 🤘🏼😁

[@KaoticVibes]

Finally a sane video on this series

[@bardiboi1517]

I am not upset about the changes from the games, I didn't play the games. The reason I hate Nocturne is because they started out with an awesome concept. Imagine if they'd followed through, and we got a show about French revolutionaries beheading bourgeoisie vampires with Richter and Maria at the head. Instead, we got a nonsensical plot where truly devout Christians think they're doing God's work by siding with vampires and creating literal demons in their basement? This only works if, 1, they are not devout at all or, 2, they dont know they've been working with vampires and they have been tricked into believing theyre working for the true messiah, sticking with the antichrist plot instead of doing a random 180 into the random egyptian goddess transformation. There's more focus on some slave uprising in the Carribian than the actual revolution that should be happening right now. Sure it's part of Annettes backstory, but they spend way too long on it. The French Revolution is nothing but a set piece when it should be the driving force in the story! Annette has been made into the obligatory strong female character who treats everyone like trash at every opportunity and Drolta, the neon pink vampire lady wearing modern punk bondage gear gives off serious self-insert "totally original character, do not steal" vibes as well, making every scene with either of them them painful to watch.

[@CarlosAlbertoGarcíaJiménez]

This show that is called Castelvania, where there is no Dracula, Castelvania( Dracula Castle ) or vampire hunting so what's the fucking point? Oh yeah to watch slavery bad and a black Aztec vampire that doesn't look like an Aztec at all ok I get it.

[@arekmg0003]

You know Castlevania isn't JUST about Dracula right? ...Like you do know that Richter, Tera, Annette, Maria, Erzabeth, Olrox, the Abbott (who's Shaft) and Juste are actual characters in the Castlevania games? Like even the original Castlevania series, Season 3-4 doesn't have Dracula as the main focus

[@CarlosAlbertoGarcíaJiménez]

@@arekmg0003 Amazing, every word of what you just said was wrong.

[@arekmg0003]

@carlosalbertogarciajimenez5879 U sure. Cause those characters ARE actual characters from the games. And yes, Dracula wasn't the main focus in Season 3 and 4. We see him and he's mentioned but he's not the main center of the story in those seasons. So I don't think you know what you are talking about

[@CarlosAlbertoGarcíaJiménez]

​@@arekmg0003 "Dracula wasn't the main focus" The plot of those season is the consequences of Dracula death and his resurrection. Sure~ Yeah~ An Aria of Sorrow was about a missing little girl in a spooky castle.

[@arekmg0003]

@carlosalbertogarciajimenez5879 So my point still stands. Yes Dracula is involved in Season 3 and 4 in some way, but he's not the main focus or even the villains in those seasons. And again, there are also those characters that I listed who are from the games

[@imperviousmonk]

They also couldn't just bring Dracula back as a villain. At the end of the old show they showed him and Lisa being alive and happy again

[@9Maciej]

Pretty much feel the same about this deal around Nocturne. I actually really enjoy the show, heck I could say even more than previous season but that's just me. And while there are clear problems so I don't blame people saying it's not as good as og series or it could have been better, I think most of the negative criticism feels like VERY overblown backlash. Like you said, Rondo of Blood has a very simplistic story that works as a set up for the game, but if you have to make a entire series around you need expend on it and even change stuff to make it work. Meidens for example were primarily damsels in the distress that weren't that much of a characters, and they were just a goel to get the best ending. Anette in the game was just a love intrest and that was it, they had to make up her character from the ground up. Heck I think Richter and Maria were adapted pretty well, especially being two main character so I think these should be the ones that needed to be recognisable. Even the original series change stuff from the source material to make it's own version. Nocturne changing stuff is not a bad thing. And not in a "the source material is bad" just that "this story works for a game, but not for a show". Again, the show is far from perfect, I think Annete needed a bit of self-reflection (the saving grace was many characters said she was in the wrong, I just wish she admitted to that) and pacing can be off. As for the Alucard, I'm actually curious if they adapt the plot point that Erzsebet is Dracula's niece in the game, cause I think it works as a good motive for him to get involved.

[@AverageG50]

Im usually hating on stuff for being woke but this is not woke its just a good show 😭😭🤷‍♂️

[@ultimateme3049]

Right?!! like i hate "woke" shit too (ehem Netflix Cleopatra, Titans) but this shit is lit

[@jmhaces]

I didn't really see much difference between this one and the original show as far as "changes" are concerned. Most people seem to be losing their shit because Annette is now a former slave from St. Domingue and also kind of a dick, but I don't mind because for the purpose of the show sticking to the source material and having two blonde chicks (or at least one with colorful non-natural anime hair if you stick to some of her portrayals in the games), one of whom is useless in battle, would have been kind of pointless, especially since the show already had Tera and that would make it three blonde chicks. People have brainwashed themselves to overreact to anything they see as "woke" that they fly off the rails for no real reason. Is it the best show ever? Nope. Is it really that different from the original show? Not really, especially regarding "tHeY cHaNgEd tHiNgZ" or "pAZiNg" because the original show did the same shit and nobody went bonkers because of it.

[@williampearson6299]

A former slave isn't entitled to be a dick? She could've been worse and looked at all white people as bad. Do you expect her to be a perfect angel? She'd be labeled a Mary Sue. Seems like people were gonna criticize her regardless, with or without flaws.

[@archeogeek315]

The original show expended on the game premis and when character was change like isacc you could still see the conexion he as to the original character. This is a completly different story.

[@williampearson6299]

@@archeogeek315 I think its different because they want the female audience who don't play video games, they prefer romantic genres - even when females play video games it's about relationships like Sims or Until Dawn or Detroit: Become Human. When companies want to adapt video games into movies or TV series they lean toward relationships - Gamers don't care about that stuff, they want a mission and some action. HBO's The Last of Us and Walking Dead developed the romances and redemption arcs and audiences fell in love with them again. This is why Zack Snyder's vision didn't work, they're based on Injustice video games about dark Superman losing Lois. The ideas are there but they didn't develop Lois & Clark romance at all. They killed Superman too soon and Lois was mourning the entire run time of Justice League. The following movies of Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Black Adam, Blue Beetle weren't connected to the main story at all.

[@basilofgoodwishes4138]

​@@archeogeek315The very first season of the old show was just 4 episodes and had far worse pacing on top of being as mentioned before way too short. Had it 8 episodes, it would not have been the worst season, especially when the last season was a slow burn, which is almost worse, since there was no need to do that. They could have made it much longer and not have Dracula die in the first half of the show.

[@GreenviewStudioGallery]

I love the blend of historical with fantasy, ok so its not Game accurate but whatever, Netflix mixed and wrote out what they felt was necessary, I loved it, i just wished there was more than 8 episodes.

[@natecoet3291]

Not the best show but I felt it was better than the previous show, which had a very slow first season, kicked off a good second season only to become a drag after. Here it's a bit fast paced but at least it has a cool setting and the story is bit more engaging and less muddled down. In my opinion.

[@WanderingMendicant-qd7mv]

The haters don't actually hate the show. They are motivated by anti-sjw, anti-woke politics. In other words they're racist.

[@caprice28]

Im Black, am I racist too? You people have no other defense other than "you're a bigot or your racist". Why don't you learn a new song? Some people need to grow up and actually realize not everyone has the same things you like.

[@WanderingMendicant-qd7mv]

@@caprice28 well for one yes a black person can be racist towards themselves. They're called Uncle Tom's and there are a few high profile ones like Candice Owens. Secondly when I say hater I'm not referring to someone who just doesn't like the show. A sensible person who does not like a show wouldn't make the same kind of critiques I'm hearing a lot of people make which are often tied to race and the topic of slavery. As pointed out by to creator of this video the content of many of the games from a narrative standpoint is sparse so there isn't much lore for the creators to trample on. They had to come up with new ideas.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

I dunno man i don't think a person wants to exterminate black peo0le because he doesn’t like that a character doesn’t look what its suppose to look.

[@WanderingMendicant-qd7mv]

@@spinosaurusstriker well that's the problem. A lot of people have a very all or nothing conception of racism. Being a racist doesn't mean you advocate for racial extermination. HP Lovecraft for example expressed his racist and antisemitic views in much of his fiction but married a Jewish woman and was vocally anti-Nazi.

[@WanderingMendicant-qd7mv]

@@spinosaurusstriker I would add that my liking a characters design is or that a character's race has been changed is legitimate criticism but racists use that a a pretext to openly express their racist beliefs.

[@DaisyAzuras]

I like the storyline they are making. I have no idea how they could make a symphony of the night storyline that’s based on the game itself without it being very boring to watch.

[@boobs_n_bots]

I agree with you about the Abbot being setup to become Shaft in future seasons.

[@aru5117]

Sure, I think Nocturne gets more hate than it deserves, but I think the points are blown out of proportion, not wrong. There’s a lot of poor execution and writing. Just one example, Annette’s former slave-master. He’s the initial motivator for her anger and hate towards vampires, and that hate even leads to her friend dying. The resolution for this was just Annette coincidentally finding him 30 ft away while she was doing something completely different, and the fight only amounts to her almost instantly trapping and killing him.

[@williampearson6299]

They had to resolve her character arc quickly so that they could develop her and Richter's romance. See how quickly they reconciled after he came back? From now on it's easy sailing.

[@aden9160]

@@williampearson6299 I don't think it's that they "reconciled" but that there wasn't time to have a proper one given the urgency of their situation. I feel like it'll definitely come up again as a sore spot, and leaves a lot of ground to cover for further character/relationship development. Annette's lack of personal accountability and lack of external awareness makes sense because of her hyper-fixation on vengeance and retaliation - who wouldn't be in the same position? I definitely agree with how quickly the conflict with Annette vs her former SM seems to have been "resolved" - but it holds a lot more water if you look at it through the lens of the SM as merely a component of the system she's trying to deconstruct and revolutionize. Given Netflix's history with cancellations, I can understand the strange pacing via writing and production constraints/limitations. Especially when you re-visit Castlevania S1 which only had 4 episodes, and establishing that series had significantly less factors to consider in terms of character development and the antagonist plots that it set up. The original series set up C:N with a lot of ground to cover which, what I feel, does leave the viewer unsatisfied - but I think that's a good thing! If you're able to sit through the entire series with interest, and still have the capacity to point out issues or conflicts with it - then I believe it did a good job of leaving the audience wanting more. Initially, I was not under the impression I had written out immediately after finishing C:N S1 - but it did leave me with a LOT to think about and theorize upon.

[@komerihimura]

@@williampearson6299 Tbh if it was written better, that conflict would be something that both people could learn from it. Pretty much any well written couple has external forces that they have to deal with and how they support each other is what should make their bond stronger.

[@williampearson6299]

@@aden9160 Where does everyone get a degree in Psychology when it comes to Annette? Seems like they're projecting based on stereotypes. They're not a couple yet. We still need to get to know Annette and Annette is plenty accountable - she's a child raised a slave trying to fight demons. Is she an expert at love and relationships? She's more well adjusted than modern people who can't crawl out of their basement for a live date. And I think we are all a bit careful when it comes to characters like her, she has no room to have flaws like everyone else. From what I've seen of black female characters: Star Trek's Uhura (1960's), New Generation's Guinan (1988), Deep Space Nine's Kassidy Yates (1995), Discovery's Michael Burnham (2017). No one treated them kindly at first. Nerds will gush over Uhura today but Nichelle Nichols got death threats at the time. Annette is a long term strategy. She's not gonna be appreciated by fans now but 30 years down the line, they'll reframe the narrative.

[@mcmichaels1]

No, they'll have absolutely no idea who she is in 30 years cause the show is terrible. Mary Sue times infinity equals Wokevania. Stereotype my ass 😂😂

[@phatleet]

Didn't know there was hate. That was a great show. Annette escaping was amezingly done. Kids these days need to hate to feel validated and cool. Me i can't wait for next season.

[@juangooseman]

I agree I was surprised that this show was considered very woke. I know fan of shows that have suffered from that type of writing but this show was the furthest from that point it's true they did add a new character but I never felt that they gave her too many Mary Sue moments because they actually gave her just enough screen time and character development to Showcase that she's not always right and that she's just as flawed as the other characters. Meanwhile for Richter I feel like displayed Great Character Arc when it came down to him facing his trauma especially when he got his powers back. The only thing I would have appreciated more out of the series is if the grandfather would have had more screen time or even joined Richter in his Crusade

[@garrettnobles8956]

It was bad compared to the first. Storyline was everywhere, they completely made up a character (which is cool) gave her all kinds of crazy god powers (also cool) made her a black slave who escaped (still cool) beat us over the head with her backstory, made her unlikeable, then gave her the name of Rickters love interest and throw in a random scene where they are just blushing at each other…all of this storyline trash to have Allucard be the one who saves the day because everyone else fails.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

Have you ever tought that maybe people genuinely can not like things you do?

[@joshuacampbell1625]

​@spinosaurusstriker there is a key difference between not liking something and actively hating on something.

[@4rtpixie]

@@juangooseman They hate to see women and black people having importance.

[@angrybrony]

but...annette's whole arc was that she was wrong about richter being a coward? yeah she called him useless but immediately after her ancestors and mentor say otherwise and she blames herself more for her friend getting caught then richter. in fact she's even sorry to richter near for what she thought pf him.

[@makzer8770]

Still we saw way more Annette than Richter Belmont 💀 At this point poor Belmont is a side character.

[@theonlychickensama8353]

Yeah i like how they made it clear she was in the wrong and needed to let go of some of her anger instead of using it as a shield to be a twit

[@luispalao7418]

Which is cool, but took way too much time like her backstory. In episode 2, we have to sit through almost 15mins of her backstory! We only got like 5mins for Richter and Tera. This is ridiculous

[@angrybrony]

@@makzer8770 he still got the two best fights in the show and they had to establish this new versions backstory now to better establish themes and her character also you'd get complaints about her having no back story for a whole season. it's not just richter's story we're follow a trio here. we're getting a season 2. there will be time for richter to shine.

[@luk6997]

@@luispalao7418 her backstory was so good I would watch 2 episodes of it, not really a problem

[@xleaselife]

It absolutely deserves to be called out for its issues. The fact that Richter is shoved into the background of his own show for six episodes to develop the backstory of another character is just absurd. There are 8 episodes, and five of those are dedicated to Annette's background. And there's more screen time for Edouard's singing than there is development of Richter or Maria's characters. It's a massive issue of pacing, as the events that are tied to the central conflict are ground to a halt for over half, maybe 2/3 the runtime. From a writing perspective, that's just poor form. Gorgeous show with some impressive action, fantastic voice acting. But this should have been a spinoff or have these backstories interspersed throughout a second season, not dominate the introduction to the story of the Belmont widely considered to be the favourite amongst fans. It's very out of touch.

[@danielramsey6141]

Yeah, While I due agree Annette may have been what caused a lot of this fandom outrage, it wasn’t necessarily because of her character! It was due to the pacing of the show. Giving at least one more episode before she killed her Vampire could’ve given her time to reflect and breathe while Juste helped Richter with learning/ Coupjng with his trauma.

[@komerihimura]

I think Annette and Richter would benefit greatly if there was more episodes

[@caprice28]

Annette is a symptom of a modern issue that's been going on for the last decade. What I hated about Richter is that he had a panic attack and left his friends to die. That's not what Belmonts do. The setting, the characters. They are far different than the lore.

[@garrettnobles8956]

Her character could have been named Shadynasty and no one would have cared. They gave her the name of Rickters love interest, beat us over the head with her backstory, showed her getting her friend killed, gave her her vengeance against the slave guy that we didn’t know existed until 30 minutes before, all to have her accomplish nothing else and need to be saved like the rest by Allucard.

[@caprice28]

@@garrettnobles8956 they had to give her Annette name because otherwise they couldn't make her important.

[@garrettnobles8956]

@@caprice28 exactly and that’s annoying. She could have just been a powerful part of the gang but no they make her important by giving her that name.

[@-grey]

I didn't like the first 4 episodes, I pushed on through and actually ended up enjoying it. It was a little cheesy and extra, especially that one episode freak out Richter had, which felt forced to get to the power up moment. The general story changes and padding work imo. The revolutionary narrative is a little desperate and Saturday morning cartoonish, but it doesn't seem to be the core focus after episode 4. I kind of wish Richter fought Drolta - but the Alucard ex Machina was a serviceable entrance for that character. I'm interested to see where they're going with this whole Sekmet horcrux thing. What they did with Olrox is great - Although wild that they had the audacity to make an Aztec god get willingly butt fucked by a Spanish crusader, but don't think to hard about the history of it I guess. 😂 Overall I'm pretty excited for season 2. Maybe the writing will clean up a bit and shake off some of the early season cringe as we get into the bigger spectacle. Solid 6.5/10. Not great, but it's shounen, you can get into it if you like the vibe.

[@sebastianyoshikage6352]

Funny you say that cause I remember reading a Richter analyze article and it mentions that Richter feels like a Shonun protagonist.

[@caprice28]

Same here, I barely got through this

[@WandersNowherre]

Somehow I don't think the crusader was top >.>

[@dekuquan7010]

U calling castlevania shounen is like those ppl who call avatar the last airbender anime and who said mizrak was a Spanish Conquistador? I think your interpretation of the French revolution plot is super surface level and literal. Just bcuz u don't see revolution meetings on screen doesn't mean they stopped focusing on it. Clearly freedom is important theme and the show and that's the point of revolution stuff. Also Erzabeth and all her followers still want to crush the revolution so they really never stopped focusing on it😭

[@-grey]

@@dekuquan7010 shounen is just animation for young boys. I found out Mizrak means spear in Arabic or something. I assumed since he's uber Christian he's one of those Al Andalas Moor Arabs from North Africa that settled in Spain. However, it was a joke so don't look that depe into it. 😂 I mean, if they don't show it now, how will I know they will continue to show it later it? I'm just using past behaviour to predict future behaviour. Think of this as a preliminary first reaction more than a comprehensive review of Nocturne. There's obviously lots of potential and things to explore still.

[@nbr6116]

I've had so much fun with this show and it's themes. My biggest gripe Pacing-wise would have been resolved if they had swapped episode 2 and 3, but other than that, I had a blast I'm very much looking forward to season two and where it goes from here.

[@dannyd4339]

Nice mental illness

[@johannessimola1615]

shows a person who isn't a true fan of the series.

[@nbr6116]

@@johannessimola1615 cool, an elitist Gate-keeper

[@JuanPablo-su6vw]

​@@johannessimola1615Go back to eltingville nerd

[@kei7540]

@@johannessimola1615 bruh castlevania is borderline dead y'all shouldn't be complaining

[@thattrickytrickster612]

It doesn't deserve the hate, but it does deserve to be critiqued. A lot of people nowadays are incapable of meeting in the middle. It's either HATE or LOVE something.

[@jorgeblanco1929]

I don’t even care about the game lore, Isaac was a great character in the first show but Nocturne was really dissapointing. Saying only hardcore fans or racists dislike it is ignoring its terrible writing, pacing, dialogue and sometimes even common sense. How is Annette calling Richter useless (tbh he really is portrayed as such during this season) when she was gonna kill her friend instead of freeing him and then just leaves? He’s in a metal cage and she’s a metalbender for crying out loud 🤦🏻

[@rainbowdragon2u]

Annettes ' motivation was to correct her mistake of letting her (very literal) only friend die. He gave her the choice of freedom, when he was human and she wanted to do the same. When she got there, she realized that killing him wasn't actually what he wanted, and it wasn't seen as freedom to him to be dead instead of his once human self. At least, that's what I got from it

[@kbolden7338]

​@@rainbowdragon2uthat's because you use context clues and don't have to bashed in the head with an obvious point

[@ultimateme3049]

My god it's as if you hadn't watched the video

[@ChrisTownsend98]

Okay I want to make a minor correction here, before I finish this video; Annette didn't exactly blame Richter for her friend's death. Sure, she took her anger and grief out on him, but again Annette blamed herself. (Okay going to spoiler territory here, so you have been warned) Annette did accuse him of being a coward, but can you really blame Richter of being traumatized after what happened to his mother?

[@marcusclark1339]

she blamed him

[@BaronOfHell666]

Yeah at no point did Annette blame Richter for her friend's death. She did blame him for running away and called him a coward. It wasn't spelled out but I think she was just projecting her own faults onto Richter at that point. Both of them had major trauma in their lives and was suddenly out of the blue confronted with their personal demons. They both failed in dealing with their demons but in different ways.

[@chekschnuksout9433]

​@@marcusclark1339no she didn't lmao

[@Some-person-dot-dot-dot]

@@BaronOfHell666 So, then explain why Richter is the only one who apologizes and Non-Annette just sort of accepts it while randomly blushing?

[@Hydralysk445]

I can't blame Richter for being traumatized, but I can also understand why Annette wouldn't exactly be sympathetic about it. She had to watch a vampire kill her mother in front of her too, but she didn't get to run away afterwards and take a boat back to France where she had an adoptive family waiting. She had to get up the next morning to work on the plantation run by her mother's killer, at least until she escaped and trained to hunt down him down in revenge. After going through all that, of course she's going to look at Richter running away screaming from his mother's killer the instant he appears, which also happens to ruin her rescue/mercy killing plan by the way, and think he's a coward. Not saying it's right, but it is understandable.

[@ProfessorAragorn]

Good points. I loved this season. I was excited for Olrox - I don't care about the race swapping of various characters - the theme is revolution. Both the vampires want revolution to regain control of the world, and the humans want revolution to be free from the corrupt church and the monarchy that perpetuates poverty. The fact that most vampires are nobles bleeding the life out of the peasants is a perfect theme. These characters aren't video game characters that always achieve their goals. I like Annette giving us lore regarding magic the western approach by the Abbot industrializing the Night Creature creation while Annette's ability to manipulate metal and earth and then return those elements back to their original state is a great dichotomy. I don't understand the hate. We shouldn't get the video game for the show because that would be boring. We got a cool fight scene once per episode at minimum and got references to the video games (Olrox phantom skull attacks, Maria's familiar summoning, Richter's white headband and blue flame magic, Drolta transformed into the Succubus). They are generally following a plot that involves the characters in Rondo and Symphony but with some elements changed around for the sake of better drama and story.

[@marcusclark1339]

the "hate" is cause its a bad show and gets CRITICISM for being mediocre, its high animation means little when the plot isn't even worth it, NOTHING happened this season at all til the end, cheap nostalgia bait of alucard and the entire politics of the show is apparent with race swapping Annette so they can shove in a pointless plot on slavery bad they think the audience isn't suppose to critique those things but they can, its not "wrong" to call it out, they Ruined Annette's character, the sister being a revolutionary isn't needed and neither is the "Church bad" messaging that's so painfully obvious agenda pushing again this plot should of been the actual one, Richter going into the castle to rescue the villagers after they've been kidnapped during that moon, including the ACTUAL Annette and running into various things in the castlevania, they didn't "flesh it out" they did the opposite

[@akechideez9277]

@@marcusclark1339If you dont like hearing "church bad" castlevania is the wrong series for that to begin with that shit has literally been around since season 1

[@forever_noir_2155]

@@marcusclark1339 yall really cannot take seeing slavery and white supremacy critiqued in any form ever. that was not the plot, the plot was revolution given the time period both the game and the show take place it would take more effort to pretend that slavery didnt exist then it would to acknowledge that it does and integrate it into the themes that already existed and were natural to the plot. the entire theme of all of the castlevania shows is vampires wanting to subjugate human. the doing so through slavery, monarchy and alliance with the church is the natural evolution of the plot in the OG series. they couldnt win through all out war so they used diplomacy and the flaws of mankind...seems like a solid plot to me

[@garrettnobles8956]

They had so much trash storyline that was all over the place, the main character they race swapped is suppose to be nothing more than a love interest and then made her unlikeable with crazy powers so they can be like ooo bLacK BeLmOnt can be a thing now. All this so an established character from a better written Castlevania season can swoop in and save them causing everything up until this point to be meaningless.

[@spinosaurusstriker]

​@@forever_noir_2155i dunno man its kinda r3tarded to make human society the same level of racist as the real works when you have literal monsters roaming around, usually that enough motive for humans to stick toguether because tribalism gets wider, it makes black people look like weakling lol

[@throwaway-r6v]

Nocturne doesn't get enough hate.

[@lukeamparo6586]

I hope they cancel the series. Not worth watching anymore after Trevor’s plot. Which barely featured Trevor as the MC. A Belmont is barely the MC of a Castlevania show. Netflix animated series are best done short or not at all.

[@soegengsoeprijanto45]

Castlevania as a franchise and original story doesn't deserve the hate,yes. But the so called "woke" writers and producers should be addressed properly🤣 Fine and very fine if they want to make original story like this. But don't hijack castlevania name for it. Both castlevania rondo of blood and symphony of the night,as cheesy as it is,, it is entertainment which original fans enjoyed,without woke issue bulshittery😂. The producers/writer ruining lot of character,to shove their mindset to the audience. If they want to "teach" their mindset to the audience,they better make their own brand. Don't Sully something that already has a good Lore.

[@williampearson6299]

Can't take you seriously, Dude. Get over it. Woke just means nerds being scared of feelings and empathy. Castlevania is like The Boys - full of machismo and mission driven plots. Girls like romance stories, relationship building. Gen V has the same elements and appeals to more female audience because of it - LGBTQ and interracial romance in both Nocturne and Gen V, the mission is against an established Institution that is either threat to their existence or freedom to choose.

[@soegengsoeprijanto45]

Good story is a good story. No matter how woke it is. The problem is hijacking something that has a well established lore. Itvis either laziness or cowardice. Original Richter is man of conviction.already know his purpose for the world.and dracula kidnapping his fiancee,anette,that makes his purpose goes even more personal. Wokevania meanwhile anette as ,"black woman ain't need no man" is really comedic🤣 I don't really care if somebody is lgbtq and pro interracial banging. Just don't ruin any established story.

[@williampearson6299]

@@soegengsoeprijanto45 Grow up, Dude.

[@gilgameshchosen]

@soegengsoeprijanto45 there's no point in reasoning with these woke inclusivity apologists. They are the definition of being ignorant in their beliefs. I totally agree with you points and if they want to make "a good lbgt female woke show" they can do it. But ofc they can't just do it, they have to pull an Annette and ruin a good story by including their woke agenda in it, same as Annette can't seemingly be a good female character without belittling Richter. Cause damn writers of the show don't know how to write females. This show is trash and so is anyone trying to make excuses for it. Best we can do bro is just state our objective criticism to these fools to not make them sound like a majority.

[@tonygalati2672]

The show is straight up garbage that has nothing to do with Rondo of Blood. It treats the Castlevania lore and characters with such disrespect.

[@ArmaHipHopTV]

The hate on the show is definitely overblown and mostly by some questionable channels that rely on outrage bait content to get views. Nocturne S1 is mostly just setup and the beginning of the overall bigger upcoming story.

[@marcusclark1339]

it isn't clickbait or outrage to critique a show liking it doesn't mean that its good, liking it for its animation doesn't mean it isn't mediocre which it is

[@ArmaHipHopTV]

​@@marcusclark1339Never said it was, the videos I'm talking about are the channels that dedicate themselves to being hateful with exaggerated thumbnails.

[@HarranSoFarAway]

great..we're going to judge on what it is, not what it's ''setting up''..wahhh being 'hateful', it's called negative criticism, get over it..and if someone hates the show, it's their prerogative, grow up

[@SamuraiMotoko]

Maybe people get the impression that the creators are ashame of the franchise because. 1 that is really common in Hollywood 2 Nocturne in particular change so much and it make even less references to the games, even if it was with monsters designs or music, but there Is barely any of that. Could be said that those changes are for the better and how the original story was paper thin, but at some point it will just feel like is a different IP with castlevania names slap on them. Like how Annette is so different to the point were why is that her name. Because is going to get with Richter? Is that the only linking tissue?

[@williampearson6299]

The changes are for the better. Mainstream audiences don't understand the video game lore. Gamers are a bit intense hence why Henry Cavill's Injustice Superman didn't translate very well

[@Hynotama]

Yes. It does.

[@trigunfox2325]

If your not gonna focus on the French Revolution don't have that setting in your story. The French Revolution was hell. The show make it seem like a mild annoyance 😂

[@AllFlashNoDash]

It's not a documentary...LOL! People find the dumbest things to complain about.

[@Diogolindir]

I usually dont like changes to source material but that is when the source material is detailed and developed. Castlevania games work without a complex lore. The first Castlevania series is its own thing and I loved it. I love nocturne as well because I think it is a very cool story

[@chroniquephilousophique9983]

Internet doesnt know the difference between hate and critic. The one who call it woke exist, but there are others who dont agree with the story telling quality. And guess what? Even them doesnt hate the show. It's not from hate that castlevania nocturne struggle with, it's the absence of nuance and the propention of people to either put you on extreme right or extreme left from a commentary on a show that, lets be frank, is neither.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

There’s people like myself who laugh at the series too.

[@chroniquephilousophique9983]

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes And you have all the right for doing so

[@PANICBLADE]

My only major critique with the show is that I wish there was more of it. I wish season 1 has a couple more episodes to round it out and I wish season 2 was here already!

[@JAYBOXPOWER1987]

Thank you! 8 episodes was so short. Damn it at least give me 12 or 16 lol.

[@zodlord5669]

it's not a bad season it has it's flaws

[@johannessimola1615]

its bad because of the claims of following rondo of the blood and SotN storylines while literally ignoring them all from main villain casts.....

[@Ninjaananas]

But every media has its flaws.

[@dingross]

I don't agree with what you say in the video, but appreciate the work you put to make this

[@gilgameshchosen]

The show deserves the hate. Period

[@williampearson6299]

Your criticism is flawed because this is geared towards a female audience, nerds consistently have issues when properties lean towards relationships and romance. They say it's lowers the property but GIRLS have different interests. Ever watch Buffy The Vampire Slayer or Twilight or Star Wars Prequels. Nerds hated the prequels because they focused on Anakin and Padme's romance. To be fair, George Lucas SUCKS at writing romance. Guys prefer season long episode preparing for a fight like in Dragonball Z, why isn't that considered terrible?

[@gilgameshchosen]

@williampearson6299 it's funny you bring those up (Buffy, twilight and starwars prequels) cause I actually love them. Ans no your argument is flawed, It's not cause this show is geared to the female audience, it's a redundant excuse wokist use to push their damn propaganda. Olrox was a cool character at the beginning, being a powerful indigenous vampire, but then they made him nothing more than a gay inclusiveness token to mark of the checkbox. Empowering Annette isn't bad, the original character was nothing but damsel in distress, but making her powerful while belittling an icon like Richter is just another way they try to push their woke views. Also castlevania isn't made for just female audience, it's a franchise based on the game and the game fans should be the core audience for them to target. Making the beloved character like Richter look like a chump is just offensive to the fans of the series.

[@williampearson6299]

@@gilgameshchosen Star Wars prequels were hated when they came out, remember? It ruined those people's careers

[@gilgameshchosen]

@williampearson6299 although they were "hated" at the release, it was still a commercial success. Although I do agree that it was a bad taste on the fans part, since even Haydens performance of Anakin, the way it was, was intentional. But as for careers ruined, that's just simply a lie. The only actor who was affected was Hayden himself. But he has stated that he wasn't planning to be an actor for long. He just wanted to earn enough money to own a farm, which he successfully did after star wars. You can look it up in 3 seconds. So , as previously stated, just because Star Wars or any other media u brought up before was hated, does not mean Nocturne is being "unjustly" critiqued by the fans. The show is a mess of a project with boring and dumb characters made just to check the "inclusiveness" checkbox. You can go around the comments of people on this video and call them nerds all you want. It won't fix the fact that the show is poorly written. Examples: Orlox being introduced as a strong vampire who avenged the death of his lover and imprinted fear on the protagonist was turned into nothing more than gay representation token who "kneels in front of a strong female queen". Also, he told mizrak he doesn't love him in episode 6 and that he just sees him as a sex toy, yet he risks everything to save him in episode 8. The problem here is not that he did it, but the lack of any build-up. If there was anything that showed Orlox slowly falling for Mizrak, it would make their romance plotline much more enjoyable. You can say "well the show is only 8 episodes." Well, guess what? It's still the writers fault they decided to squeeze everything within those short 8 episodes. Next, we have Annette. There's no problem with her having her design changed. The problem is how easy she has it and how it comes at the expense of Richter. She calls everyone children playing the "I've been a slave" card and saying how much harder she has it. She keeps belittling Richter the whole show, although unlike everyone else, she shares the same trauma with him and should be the best person to empathize with him. Oh, and just to rub salt into the wound, she kills former slave master vampire by accidentally stumbling on him and does that within 5 min, when Richter runs away abandoning everyone when he sees Orlox like a coward. All done to show how much better she is than Richter, the main character. Of course, it's gonna make the fans hate her character if she refuses to accept accountability for her actions, acts like she's better than anyone, and continuously plays the race/slave card. Next is Abbot Emanuel, who is a semi complex character but is suspiciously a WHITE MALE WITH BLUE EYES who decide to abandon his family for THE CHRISTIAN GOD AND HIS BELIEVES IN THE CHURCH and serve the EVIL QUEEN. I would not have any issue with his character if other inclusivity tokens didn't make it so blundently clear that Wokevania tries to make a WHITE OLD MALE DUDE, a bad guy with poor judgment. There's a ton more examples I can bring up, but at this point, it's a waste of my time. Stay mad and call everyone a nerd, it won't change the fact that the show is trash and so is your taste for trying to excuse blatant bad taste apologism in this garbage pile of a show.

[@vorpalinferno9711]

Nocturne is terrible and does not respect source material.

[@mj8135]

THANK YOU

[@2im36]

i really enjoyed the show, istg people are finding things to nitpick about it as if the OG show didn't have the exact same problems w dialogue and shitty pacing.

[@BlaxkSun]

Noooo 😂

[@BlaxkSun]

So after looking up what the actual mean of nitpicking, this goes completely against it cause these are minor problems.

[@luckybear20]

Yeah Wheel of Time, Rings of Power, and Willow were made by people who hate the source material, this may not be what everyone wanted it to be but it was definately made by people who understand and respect the source material. Richter has a moment of weakness so he can rise above it and only one character barades him for it and she later on grows as a charachter as well. They weren't "shitting on the one man to make the women look good" they were just giving everyone things to grow from, they were all badass as they were supposed to be though.

[@terencebarnes7393]

Perfectly said they seem to be using that he pretty young and had room to grow.

[@4rtpixie]

The source material is bad

[@tigeruntamed6036]

They called him a coward for wanting to have a plan to invade what essentially was the enemy Castle

[@trashboat5388]

@@tigeruntamed6036 And they apologized afterwards

[@tigeruntamed6036]

@@trashboat5388 Yes but why so ignorant in your arrogance in the first place

[@joerodriguez5622]

Calling the show "woke" for one flashback episode is wild lol

[@psychotropy101]

Racists take every opportunity to show how racist they are

[@intellectual_69]

Well theres a gay templar, gay vamps, anette’s speech about breaking free from slavery, seems pretty woke to me even without that episode

[@psychotropy101]

@@intellectual_69 you have a problem with gays and slavery?

[@joerodriguez5622]

@intellectual_6936 You say that as if there weren't gay people in those times. And it's def not the first show/movie showing gay vampires. The slavery thing, sure they didn't have to add that, but it wasn't focused on that all the time. Sucks that's all you got from the series

[@ultimateme3049]

The first Castlevania show had a bisexual Alucard, a gay Isaac and two lesbian vampire rulers@@intellectual_69

[@balazskertesz5010]

I loved Nocturne, I loved the French Revolution theme, and I even loved Anette's character. My only gripe (me being Hungarian) was that they consistently mispronounced Erzsebet Bathory's name. It's pronounced Er-Jai-Bet (with a soft J, like in the French name Jaques), not Er-Zeh-Bet, folks!

[@treyrobertson7187]

Na they pronounce it right

[@balazskertesz5010]

@@treyrobertson7187 I AM Hungarian. I know the correct pronounciation

[@dylangaletti395]

It absolutely deserves all of the hate. The core fan base, ya know the people that grew up playing Castlevania want more accurate adaptations of the IP we grew up with. Not these awful shows where they cherry pick events from different games to "make their own story". The dialog is horrible as is the injection of various forms of politics and the unneeded disingenuous race swapping of characters is also horrible. If they absolutely have to take creative liberties at least go the extra mile and make the affirmative action characters original characters. Not my Castlevania.

[@arekmg0003]

Issue with that, is that the original series as well wasn't faithful with the source material and that show has MANY fans and made Castlevania much bigger. So, when Nocturne was announced, literally everyone knew that this show wouldn't be extremely faithful to Rondo of Blood and would tell its own story just like what the original show did.

[@jvts8916]

Part of the more negative reactions came as a result of how the previous series had a lot of added details that made it still have the source materials' feel. Meanwhile, Annette being a completely different character makes it have a similar feel to Megaman Fully Charged's Wily as "nobody would take issue if this character just had a different name". Made even more blatant because another kidnapped maiden from Rondo Of Blood, Tera, was given a closer design and role to the Annette of Dracula X Chronicles so I genuinely feel like Nocturne!Annette was given that name just because she's Richter's love interest.

[@Peasham]

It is hilarious to me that you're implying that the first season didn't likewise completely change all the characters.

[@jvts8916]

@@Peasham not to this extent, given they still started out with their original motivations of stopping Dracula. Now that the background details that originally caused Dracula to be revived are instead the main focus (which is fair), the character motivations already start out very different on top of marketing screwing up before the show's even out by accidentally calling Richter Trevor's son, a detail that is true in neither continuity.

[@Peasham]

@@jvts8916 So every other massive difference is fine because they were fighting dracula?

[@jawadakram3936]

objectively not bad show has potential but doesnt get executed properly. For example Annette interesting idea what they did to her but she comes of as unlijeablw to mc also their romance doesnt feel natrual. So liberties arent bad but execution very shit. One example of the opposite one peice alot of liberties but nicely done.

[@Iceh4wkvideos]

Finally a review that says the show isn't perfect but was pretty good, I'm kind of sick of everyone just giving it a complete praise or complete hate. Pretty much have the same criticisms as you do, except I also think that some of the writing wasn't the best at times, and Richter's voice actor I thought just didn't sound right at times, but at other times was great so kind of a wash there. The show's action and overall plot I thought was pretty good and the ending was great, just a couple middle episodes that I really didn't care for as much. Also I feel that richter kind of got his magic powers out of nowhere, I understand it was supposed to symbolize overcoming trauma but going from 0 to 100 in a story moment is just never something I really like, it's just too convenient.

[@Mtdfffgghv]

I don’t understand the hate. Its a quality show. I like the story and the music and visuals. Its only going to get better

[@spinosaurusstriker]

Maybe thats enough for you but some people just don't like many changes to something they already have a partual knowelge about it.

[@Mtdfffgghv]

@@spinosaurusstriker I understand that, but it’s based on a video game, it needs something to fill it out as a show, unless it already has a complex story like God of War. But hey, to each their own

[@OReily08080]

​@@spinosaurusstrikeryou people got to get over this. The thing about designs, is that they're going to change. Tons of content gets alternated from their previous sources, I'm sorry

[@Sirbartholomew]

Nah the writing and characters are hot garbage. I can sum up every character in a single sentence thats how one note they all are.

[@newsome280]

The problem is the writing is still bad. If you made a shoe about richter going through the castle fighting various popular monsters, confronting shaft, death, and dracula it would've probably been better than what we have right now. I never expect a perfect adaptation, however I don't like diverging from source material to make an inferior product. If you diverge, then you have to make it better

[@williampearson6299]

I think people need to let a property have room to grow. The first Castlevania did its job with the world building. But we always want new audiences. Gaming industry is pretty male dominated, and women like relationships and romance. Nocturne was written differently like it had a female CORE audience in mind. That's why nerds are complaining, they don't like that at all, they prefer mission and action. A single day in Dragonball Z dragged on an the entire Winter season anticipating and prepping for a fight. Girls are not sticking around for that unless it's about a romance.

[@gabeblackmon2722]

I liked the show but I have never played a Castlevania game so I'm fresh to the world of Castlevania but my opinion is I love it and I'm gonna ignore the hate towards Nocturne. Castlevania was a good show I loved Trevor and Sypha their relationship made me laugh so much and the fight scenes in both are pretty good

[@Mkj119]

So that means you pretty much have no say since you dont know anything about the series

[@perfyyy7262]

thats a good mentality tbh. just cause others hate something doesnt mean you cant like it.

[@stayfrosty2310]

​@Mkj119 L opinion. Let the guy enjoy what he enjoys. And also Just because the creators didn't make the exact one to one remake you were hoping for doesn't mean it's not a good series. It's a bit flawed, and It's not what you were expecting. Just enjoy that castlevania as a series is finally getting the hype it deserves

[@JayVGBND]

I believe Abbot and Erzabeth will be a major key plots in each future season here. Season 2: The Dark Priest arc. Abbot’s ideals has turned warped has been fully converted as a dark servant of the night as he transforms into the Dark Priest shaft. The price for the new transformation? A virgin’s blood as he makes night creatures attack “Aljiba😂” to distract Richter thus kidnapping Annette & Maria anyways. Richter panics & searches for Juste as they plan a battle plan and a map (cue Rondo of Blood intro scene). He rescued Maria and teamed up to save Annette. After all the struggles getting to the Dark Priest’s dark church, Richter will face the Dark Priest in the end. Richter will face all the famous pop culture night creatures that he summons (Big Bat, Medusa, Mummy, and Frankenstein) & defeats him but his vengeful spirit lingers still as he said “No I won’t end it like this” (like in the Dracula X Chronicles) and performs a destructive magic around the church. Richter senses danger as he tells Maria and Annette to run as Shaft teleports Richter and posses him in the process leading to the future SOTN season. Season 3: Erzabeth arc as she sends night creatures all around the world (Bloodlines stages) to spread her cult’s influence even more as we’ll get to see other Vampire hunters like John Morris and Eric Lecarde separately battling night creatures and vampires from their jurisdictions. Meanwhile Maria is also battling night creatures as she ran in search for Alucard after being rescued saying Richter hasn’t returned from facing Shaft as they hurry on to Erzabeth’s castle but night creatures blocks their path once more. After saving some parts of the world going to the final stage the 4 heroes was led to Erzabeth’s castle. The heroes battles her and defeats her but it’s too late as she summons a hell version of Castlevania to fulfills the final battle in Bloodlines and also sets up via Dracula’s resurrection in… Season 4: Symphony of the Night as John is exhausted after using the fake cursed whip and Eric helps him & him also to return from their hometowns as Maria and Alucard continues their search for the Shaftwashed Richter. Death appears once more to take Alucard’s sword. The succubus’s sister tricks Alucard by warping the events of Lisa’s burning while telling him lies about the cruelty of humanity. Alucard knows it’s not real as he tries to call his sword and stabs the succubus and he’s snaps back to reality. Finally Alucard and Maria found a Richter but he wasn’t himself as they fight him but Maria tells Alucard she senses something behind Richter try to aim your sword there as they vanish Shaft’s ghost but his malice knows no bound as the castle’s was affected by shaft’s desire for blood lust and desire for true power as the castle becomes inverted as if going to hell itself to find the broken soul of Dracula. The castle is a creature of hell and together with shaft’s magic and lingering malice it controls the spirit of Dracula to remember the cruelty of humanity to confront 3 heroes. Idk let’s see how Netflix will save this bloated show but those key points I said with each season should practically save the show without all the bloat inclusion BS and Agenda backstories. Extra: As for Eduardo as he is a Devil which gives a lot of EXP in the games he will give his life happily to Richter in extension of his feelings to Annette this powering up Richter in the Final Stage: Bloodlines

[@adrianatienza3483]

I actually think the abbot might get a redemption scene.

[@krystofthepolishguytalksan310]

Your idea sounds awesome but I doubt Netflix is smart as you sir.

[@claudijatzandrapova3347]

@@krystofthepolishguytalksan310 I agree with you as our friend has brilliantly figured out how to actually turn the anime to the game plots without ruining either... that is genius as you say

[@claudijatzandrapova3347]

my guy, you should make this a script and ask Konami if they like it too as you figured out just how to turn the anime into a true blend of the game plots and events and still keep on the thread they started. With IGA now in his own company, Konami should hire you to write the next Castlevania game, seriously you got a talent

[@dantederi5062]

The hate I saw online mostly revolves around the race changes, especially for anette. Which is utterly bullsh*t to me. Sure her race is changed, but it's also explained and fits in the narrative and world. It's interesting to see hatian revolutionist work alongside french revolutionist. Sure her character could've been handled better, but it's nowhere near as bad as the hater seems to think. It's honestly terrifying to see people just being openly racist towards the show, and masks it as a "insult towards the source material". Imo the changes adds a lot to the world building, like orlox being an aztec. I mean we already saw supernatural beings and cultures in europe in the first one, now it we also know that there's still a lot of things that we hasn't know yet. Personally I like nocturne more because of their uses of music, it feels more dramatic and iconic. Although I still think the dialogue is on the edgier side like the first one, I mean they use the word fu*k too often that it becomes annoying. Like listening a teenager discovering curse words and now adds it to every conversation. As for the characters I like them, they feel human, except for ersebet. I don't really like ersebet, she has this way of talking that just feels like it came out of a playstation 1 castlevania game.

[@Peasham]

Oh trust me, Annette being handled more accurately would've made her INFINITELY worse, as in, a non-character, so it is absolutely racism, especially when they pretend to be fans of the original series.

[@ExeErdna]

@@Peasham That's bullshit. You don't know Annette was supposed to bring back Carmilla which would have been the ultimate test for Richter can he SAVE HER since Leon was unable to save Sara from a simular situation. You've could have been eating so much better

[@Peasham]

@@ExeErdna Carmilla? Leon? Huh?? No, having Annette have zero personality and having her be essentially a mcguffin Richter has to save as she does and says nothing wouldn't, in fact, be me eating better. Turning a non-character into a character is a good thing, in fact.

[@ExeErdna]

@@Peasham Your annette is a statement the one people wanted is a character. Trust the material, tourist

[@Peasham]

@@ExeErdna For the love of god learn how to speak English, what you just said makes absolutely zero sense.

[@hernandogaribaldi8627]

I would love a Castlevania animation with Simon Belmont as protagonist, but that animation would be probably a 2 hours or less lenght animation movie, not a series part.

[@vasheskaaronsar1568]

It does. Blackpainting, all types of swapping, crazy storybending - are just common (too bad) flaws in latest creations (so sad). But what they did to characters, to their stories and growth is just so full of crap (common for franchises with legacy nowadays), like another bunch of stones on poor camel`s back. Castlevania 3-4 seasons plot and personal stories started dwindling into the abyss of wokeness but here its like triple down from the start. Sad. I have expected so much more from story of Richter (one of the most complexed Belmonts) and Maria, but get a spit in my face. No, thanks. I`ll go and keep my money to myself. Netflix should wake up and find someone, who is willing to create new with respects to the old legacy, not corrupt trying to please some weirdos.

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I think people need to let a property have room to grow. The first Castlevania did its job with the world building. But we always want new audiences. Gaming industry is pretty male dominated, and women like relationships and romance. Nocturne was written differently like it had a female CORE audience in mind. That's why nerds are complaining, they don't like that at all, they prefer mission and action. A single day in Dragonball Z dragged on an the entire Winter season anticipating and prepping for a fight. Girls are not sticking around for that.

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U can't be serious with that, can u? Oh my! Let's dig a little deeper. Worldbuilding. Yeah, Castlevania Series established the rules, but Nocturne smashes it and for what? It was established that night creatures obey only to their creator to the point of self-destruction (which is why Lenore tricked Hector with slave ring in the first place), but the singing boy needs to look good before his queen. It was established that forgemasters are not welcomed by most of the people nor by the church (religion, like we saw in Isaac's case, doesn't matter) but ok let`s be the forgemaster-priest, who keeps some naughty things in his basement. And let's stop at these two for now. Mary Sue moments are tasteless and spoils the whole thing if added too much. Show, don't tell. Alpha and omega of all visual art. In Castlevania Series we almost immediately see what's wrong, clear physical goal and introduction of the main characters (and villain) with merits and flaws in action. Nocturne takes place in a rather gruesome time period, but we see nothing from Maria`s or Emmanuel`s statements, which makes their arguments near snotty toddlers level. It`s genres, babe. Japaniese gurus from ancient times hold a secret that boys and girls like different things so they had different genres for manga and anime - shonen (for boys) and shōjo (for girls). Dragonball Z is classical shonen, and smth like Tomo-chan Is A Girl! is clearly a shōjo. They were designed to be that way for a certain audience. Western animation doesn`t have such nuances, but let`s take a look into Nocturne and its genres. “Action. Dark fantasy. Drama. Horror”(с) No romance. Whooops. Spoilers: at best we should get platonic feelings of Maria to Alucard (cause Choconette obviously need no man but a simp). Poor Richter. Roots of Castlevania lies in the gothic novels, but Nocturne stray from this path too. Neither here nor where position plus lazy writing create just another bleak abomination without a sturdy audience. Unlike Lords of Shadows, who did heroic slasher+personal struggle and tiny bit of romance. I think u like those weirdos who complained about Bleach TYBW and its lack of classical magical girls stuff (I hope u didn`t do it) Logic. Nocturne contradicts itself a bunch of times per season. Like: -I`m a priest with power to summon and command my own personal army from hell, but I smh cannot wipe some revolutioners without pesky bloodsuckers, who hate my faith and my church, and want to overtake the world. -I`m a man of (christian) faith, a devoted warrior of light, but this pagan bloodsucker is so hot. There is nothing wrong to romance him without a doubt. -I`m clearly cannot defeat my foes alone without any preparations and one of my comrades already paid the price because of it, but don't want to reflect and learn from my mistake. I just repeat the same stunt till I win. If u want new audience - make a new product. A good one. If u doing a remake just respect the legacy and u get money at least from old fans. People kinda tired of Panderverse trips.