Casual AF, No MLD/Land Decks or Extra Turns | Commander Clash S15E11

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[@bryanstokke6566]

I think Seth really shows a level of maturity and humor that come with having played the game for a long time. It would be easy to rage and complain about his situation. I loved how he just pivoted to what he *could* control at the end. What a cool dude.

[@eelfroth]

here's an idea for a theme week: salt budget. it's like budget week, but instead of going by card prices you add up the edhrec salt scores to aim for some low number. surely nothing but _fair magic_ would happen with such a restiction

[@oafkad]

This game is baffling but entertaining. Its like there was a secret rule to make bad choices the entire time and I'm here for it.

[@MineRoyale.]

seriously. Maybe it was an in-joke with "Casual AF"

[@LadyMorrigan]

@@MineRoyale. making good decisions is for CEDH only 😤

[@josephpayton7522]

Crim constantly complaining about Phil was obnoxious. Especially when if he swung out at Phil he would be clearing his board every turn.

[@kaszael]

Crim complaining about feeding the Lurking Predators when he has Obelisk as a clean answer is peak deflecting.

[@aronb.1273]

it is his favorite move

[@mark1A100]

its entirely possible he forgot it exists

[@shadowpsyke]

@@mark1A100 I almost guarantee it. Crim does deflect, but he's also not afraid to go tunnel vision and fire off removal on things he hates.

[@DieJG]

I get it. They are in the arc where everyone is waiting for everyone else to deal with their own problems.

[@livewireo]

I like that even after so many episodes, "Clash On" is still as awkward and weird as the first time it was used.

[@Welverin]

That's what makes it great. No matter how painful it is to listen to. That secondhand embarrassment is a killer.

[@-homerow-]

Clash On 4 Life

[@kylebrown6328]

I love crim but there should be a drinking game where you take a shot every time Crim is the obviously the threat and he complains people are focusing him

[@seanscott4543]

And when he just lies to the table that he won't be a threat lol

[@josephpayton7522]

Oh my goodness. Instant alcohol poisoning!

[@chrisdempsey3170]

Could you imagine this drinking game with crim AND tomer?

[@kylebrown6328]

@@chrisdempsey3170 dear lord you would die

[@moralessanchezoscarelias6412]

Seconded. And then you drink again is the rest if the table buys it

[@hugoribeiro9603]

Crim is complaining about the Lurking Predators, but he had a Unstable Obelish to deal with it and he never did. He could have done it the turn after Phill played the Lurking Predators and Phill would have got only 2 creatures. You can't complain when the other players play into Lurking Preadators, if you have an answer but prefer not to use it. Or just missed, IDK

[@jamescampbell2353]

It’s significantly more funny if he forgot

[@CyberNewType]

Crim also complains about his own misclicks on Magic online, yet has been playing on it for years now. I personally was thrilled last episode when Richard called him out on it. He was like ‘you’ve been on here for years, if your still misclicking, that’s on you’.

[@lysander3262]

I want to say something positive. Newer players: this is a perfect example how you do not play your Wraths. This is also a perfect example of how not to keep an opening hand. I hope this was educational.

[@VRanger100]

Nice to see Phil back for a game this season. Bilbo looks like such a fun build-around too.

[@Kryptnyt]

September 22 is Bilbo Baggins birthday so I could see a bunch of people playing him on that day

[@aaronmorgan1989]

Phil!

[@ringoderbar1522]

Can we get the first game too, as sort of a bonus video? Not edited, no face cams, just one raw view like in a stream (without cam)? Maybe too much to ask. You guys are so great! Truly best people!

[@DylanHunter64]

Lol Crim had 6 mana on Turn 3 and 7 on Turn 4 and Richard is SOMEHOW still hung up on not playing "Uncastables" in the insane ramp deck. Unreal.

[@Ellie-bs5zq]

Yeah seriously, even green got nothing on how fast a colorless deck can ramp. Technically has access to the least cards of any commander deck, but not having to care about color does some crazy stuff to your mana generation.

[@Zentenski]

Hm. I stepped away for a few minutes at the beginning, and was very confused how Crim could play Bowmasters in his colourless deck. Turns out, I just assumed that he's the one that played the black gotcha-card :D

[@VRanger100]

Imagine if they did allow MLD/Land Destruction. Seth would just sit there as a meat shield for the whole game.

[@Welverin]

Who would meta game and play as many indestructible lands as possible? Just Tomer, Tomer and Richard, or everyone?

[@Graatand]

I still want to see that All MLD Week

[@gijora]

Calm down, Satan

[@whaleofdarkness]

They should invite Vince and the Professor. Vince because he loves decks like this and the Professor because they didn't torment him enough the last time he was on Commander Clash.

[@wchenful]

The game that actually lasts a week and recycle their libraries with Eldrazi?

[@whaleofdarkness]

@@wchenful I mean you can metagame against it by playing a lot of indestructible lands and a lot of mana rocks. You can be sure Tomer would do that because he loves to metagame. And it's always risky if your opponents all will be playing cards like Teferi's Protection that protect only their lands.

[@Graatand]

@@whaleofdarkness mana rocks, indestructible lands, counterspells, TefPro, Heroic Intervention, EQUINOX, Crucible of Worlds and all the other land recursion. I’d love to see just one game warped around everyone trying to protect their lands.

[@Nathanael_Forlorn]

1:33 Thanks for the explanation, and thanks for making that call!

[@-homerow-]

I love picking an mtg goldfish shirt to wear every Friday to watch commander Clash. It's like wearing the band t-shirt to the concert 😂😎😂

[@gillgaladii8673]

Lets go Phil! Glad to finally see his Bilbo deck

[@starmanda88]

Hey it’s Phil! Always good to see him!

[@kurowasanabe]

Release the Casual Cut!

[@obergfamily9049]

I do so love Crim's passion for the game. He's just so animated about the most trivial decisions by his opponents. "You tapped your Stomping Ground for a green, Seth?! A GREEN?!"

[@-homerow-]

12:24 Happy Birthday Phil 🎉🎉🎉😆 "Time to lay the smackdown on the birthday boy" 😆

[@WikiED]

Seeing Crim is playing Eldrazi i hope he is about to show Richard and Phil how Eldrazi plays as that podcast rating Eldrazi was insane.

[@Dom9606]

and then Richard says at 12:55 that most 8+ drops are still uncastable even though crim has seven mana on turn 4

[@skykur]

Richard is so out of touch with reality.

[@wchenful]

Well it pretty much ended up as expected. Eldrazi got very mediocre rolls, became archenemy the moment it came down and came dead last vs. much lower power decks 😅

[@josephpayton7522]

Richard is so locked in. He's six steps ahead. He's theory crafting ways to beat his own theory crafting. Reality can't touch him.

[@efnfen]

@@josephpayton7522 cringe

[@dentlike]

Bilbo! Since my son played the food precon at CommandFest we wanted to build the 111 life deck. Not yet there 🙄 too many releases in between. But great to see it in action!

[@alaraplatt8104]

i love crim but his problem is he wants to be the first one to respond to everything that's said, and he often has the least to actually say

[@theEevee098]

I'm excited to see how Phil built his Bilbo! I built mine around Allies and ETB lifegain effects

[@SupremeDirt]

name a better pair than seth and keeping one land hands

[@paulnakashian5522]

Welcome back, Phil. Clash on!

[@ad5198]

I still really miss the organic banter at the beginning. Combined with the music, the planned intros don’t feel real

[@jamesrobinson4506]

I think we need a Superfriends week sometime in the near future. Everyone has such different takes on what makes or breaks Superfriends, so it would be interesting to see which ones y'all prioritize for what reasons.

[@CyberNewType]

I’ve been wanting SOMEONE on here to play a good Superfriends deck for quite a while. Cause I’m sick of them ignoring the realities of Commander every spoiler season and keep claiming that planeswalkers are bad in Commander ‘cause people just attack them’🙄

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

​@@CyberNewType they have all been pretty clear the exception is super friends.

[@austind2784]

Crim's misery is back on the menu when you play lurking predators.

[@heraclies325]

Crim trying not to whine or complain for 30 seconds challenge (impossible)

[@ehfik]

and when he really fucks up, he just "skips his turn BY ACCIDENT" and blames it on modo. weak

[@julianalvarez4231]

Not the Kabira punt.

[@Clapham37]

Why didn't Crim just blow up the enchantment? Am I missing something?

[@konnichi1wa]

Massive greed, he didn't want to use his only removal on that while Vito was around

[@rosavanopheusden5211]

​@@konnichi1wacouldn't he have just copied the obelisk trigger with Archaic?

[@josephpayton7522]

​@@rosavanopheusden5211he eventually did. After it was too late. Then he blamed Seth and Richard.

[@cowonafarmstrategy3449]

No shade to Phil at all I just thought it was funny how in the first few seconds they flash a shot that says no combo and then phill comes in and the 2 cards he shows go infinite 😂 I know the title doesn't say no combo so it doesn't actually matter

[@BrewersKitchen]

Yeah the title was not really planned. I just filled in for an episode and we did anything goes. To be fair, Bowmasters and all my combos wouldn't really count as Casual AF either 😅

[@Kryptnyt]

Hey Dr. Anime said no combo at the start of the video. Then he didn't show up again.

[@regail7143]

Is it any different to Crim playing a zhuladok deck with fast mana against the jank richard and seth were playing? It says casual AF

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

I wanna see Game 1! LETS SEE THE SUFFERING!

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Yay phil is back

[@etten4536]

If y’all made a clash on playmat I would totally buy it

[@bigblind6422]

Come for the commander game play but stay for the banter as always. However, Crim really seems to be really starting to cry wolf a lot. Hoping the other people at the table use an answer while he saves his. I think there is a healthy way to do this politically but this game was too much for me. Lots of complaining about the lurking predators when he had the obelisk to destroy it for several turns. Keep up the enjoyable content guys.

[@nCedric1]

It's also the others' fault kingmaking Phil. Lurking Predators is a must-kill card and they just fed it like a Rhystic Study at a 4 Seths table, just to play useless creatures, even with Crim saying "Just don't feed it and I won't attack you".

[@MrInithra]

​@@nCedric1what else should they do? Not play spells, so that after Crim kills Phil (and it is Phil he's targeting, not "the Bilbo deck"), they have no board state and just fold to a board full of Eldrazi? No. What they should do is ask Crim to kindly stfu and use his own on board answer to the card he thinks is the threat, rather than whining and begging and deflecting endlessly.

[@josephpayton7522]

​@@MrInithrapreach!!!

[@elitemaster666]

The reason remove from the game was changed to exile is to clear up that confusion that came up. Exile is by definition a zone in the game, and thus it is within the game. You cannot Spawnsire or Wish a card exiled into the game cause it is within the game. Given the lack of sideboards in commander, these zones do nothing officially, though one can houserule them in (like Lesson cards etc)

[@Welverin]

When they made that change, they should have changed outside the game cards to include exile. They have a nasty habit of changing the rules and not changing cards so they continue to function they way they were designed to.

[@dizzlebloom120]

Love the whole team feeding the lurking predators just to tilt Crim lol

[@zachariahhuey9876]

Best punt from Richard ever Lmaooooooo 37:19

[@highshelf]

I love the classic awkward clash on

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Wow richard playing white weenie who could’ve seen that coming

[@jaspertas3228]

Hey I got a suggestion for a theme week. all the triggers week: Yarok, the desecrated - ETB triggers Teysa karlov - death triggers Veyran, voice of duality - spellslinger triggers isshin, two heavens as one - attack triggers would love to see this and see which deck comes out on top, thanks for considering.

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

I wanna play that game even that sounds super fun. especially if they are tuned

[@whaleofdarkness]

Is there any chance that we get Jen back in any season? I really liked her chill attitude and her haymaker decks.

[@MTGGoldfish]

As far as I know Jen doesn't really have the time to do Clash anymore, at least as a regular thing, we might be able to get her back as a guest sometime though.

[@SpecialKail]

Philbo

[@BrewersKitchen]

🤣

[@jangrokortenhaus3036]

the game was very entertaining but somehow I don't get a "casual" feeling about it XD

[@DieJG]

It was an ironic kind of "casual". I bet because everyone complained about Tomer winning last week with extra turns and combos.

[@BrewersKitchen]

Yeah we kinda really botched the name on this one. Didn't build the decks with Casual AF in mind, otherwise I wouldn't have played Bowmaster and combos 😅

[@WushuTaz]

Editor, I think you mixed up the boring games. 😋

[@ehfik]

so when is crim rotating?

[@brandandixon3943]

At least tomer got in trouble for the extra turn color pie break game

[@goelandz878]

It would be funny to have a "chaotic" week, using Gathering and Random card function. You randomly add 10-15 non-colorless/land card to your deck, replacing existing card in your decklist. We might end up with horrible random card that would matter. Probably would be intertaining.

[@representativejoints1188]

Lifegain has never been so strong. A recently built a Gluntch, oops all combos, deck. Soul Sisters and the many Scurry Oak/Baloths combos. Aetherflux to kill once infinite life has been achieved. Otherwise they have one turn to deal with the go wide army.

[@Okamithegod]

Clash on!!

[@sirKonradical]

Legit first. Love the show

[@epothos1]

Phil they said casual infinite life probably put protean hulk in there too didn’t ya

[@BrewersKitchen]

Nah but some Spikefeeder and Scurry Oak combos. I just filled in last second and we didn't really have a theme for the episode when building the decks. I tried to explain the crew that my deck is definitely not casual AF but I guess they found out the hard way 😅

[@mrmotas]

Clash on!

[@gibbysg8143]

Haven’t even started the episode but is a spike feeder combo considered casual af? 🤔 seems a bit odd to me lol

[@BrewersKitchen]

Yeah we didn't really build the decks with the title in mind. I just filled in last minute with anything goes as the theme. I'd not call Bowmasters Casual AF either 😅

[@Kryptnyt]

"Hobbitron" lmao

[@Nas0630]

Couldnt Crim have copied the breaker of armies with his mimic and then swing at Phil? Or am I forgetting what mimic does?

[@josephpayton7522]

It's just for power and toughness

[@shadowfox513]

Maybe he wins in the end, I'm not sure but Phil definitely had the win with that eerie ultimatum. He could have killed Richard with the takedown on the stack by sacrificing his creatures and donating them to Crim for 6 damage a creature, then killed everyone else. Still a fun game tho, always nice to see lurking predators pop off

[@zachariahhuey9876]

You never know when crim mash will get you

[@ODIRGO]

You should had gone for the third game, the second one was just everyone begging not to be attacked the entire game, instead of actually playing.

[@christianpena7748]

Not sure what it is about this current season, but I am finding I just cannot sit through an entire game like previous seasons. It just comes to a point where I fast forward towards the end to see how things played out bc the content is regrettably boring. Either someone gets aggroed out in the first 30-40 min with like 2 hours left, or Crim is causing the game to stall/whining about ppl daring to just glance at his board, or Crim and Seth turn the game into essentially 2v1v1 and make things miserable to watch. I've been watching Goldfish for years through various player shakeups, but I'm just not feeling it this season.

[@JLPAG1]

I've been finding myself skipping through videos pretty frequently too

[@ehfik]

the problem is crim. i cant watch a full episode as well, and i was the biggest fan. his constant complaining, shouting, the fake enthusiasm, regurgitating memes without being fun at all...

[@onlyRicky_x]

Seeing crim screw someone over specifically because they didnt comply with his wishes is getting frustrated to watch. Spite play can be funny but if your go to is always to spite play and never letting up isnt fun for to watch and im sure for the person he is spiting isnt having fun either.

[@alexbutler8930]

Nice to see the guys dunking on the weird restrictions of MTGO commander.

[@mmmmmeggs]

CASUAL AF…. Bowmasters second turn lol

[@BrewersKitchen]

Yeah we botched the theme/name of this on a bit. We didn't build our decks with Casual AF in mind, otherwise I wouldn't have played all the combos and Bowmasters 😅

[@Dragiceoriginal]

I’m very curious what this stipulation even does, you guys don’t play stax/extra turns/MLD really anyway!

[@brick4939]

Cool game, but the constant deflection, whining and "i dont have anything" of crim really grinds my gears

[@erayhaselton]

Crims politics are so bad and I would never fall into them personally. His board is huge, he has the most powerful creature in both power and ability and is still trying to paint phil as the enemy. Players who can't realize they are the issue are a bit annoying. Like yes phil (or any player at the table realistically) could combo and win. But if the players cant beat your board, you just win. So imo Richard and Seth made the correct plays in feeding the predators. Sometimes when you're down, you need a champion to take the heat off you.

[@Sinistra359]

Hear me out, maybe it's for entertainment??? It's not like they're playing for a prize. To me it sounds more like banter and trash talking. Would hate to play with your serious ass. 🙄

[@GabrielMateusLima]

I agree 100%, it was a bit hard to watch Crim playing the "I'm not the treat" whe he DEFINITELY is.

[@Welverin]

Crim, what was your reasoning for including Spawnsire of Ulamog?

[@DieJG]

"It is a big Eldrazi with Annihilator"

[@Welverin]

@@DieJG counter: Ulamog, The Infinite Gyre is a bigger eldrazi with bigger annihilator. Also, it doesn't have an expensive ability that is useless in commander.

[@DieJG]

Yeah, but Crim said in the video that he didn't wanted to include the original Big Eldrazi like Ulamog @@Welverin

[@Welverin]

@@DieJG I made that comment as soon as I saw the article, took a while before I started watching and I had to stop to do other things. So it was a good while before I reached that. Doesn't justify putting Spawnsire in though.

[@julianalvarez4231]

Crim going off multiple times and trying to convince the table to kill someone else is pretty funnu

[@Sinistra359]

Let's be honest, we all do that lol. It's fun to deflect when you're the archenemy 😏

[@julianalvarez4231]

@@Sinistra359 definitely. It's just pretty funny here. Also even funnier that it came true anyway cause Seth and Richard got super greedy

[@hugovellver5114]

As a cedh player this triggered me so hard hahaha 😅

[@kukitanuki4037]

crim pretending the "misery on the menu" is anyone but him being a whiny baby for 2 hours when people kill his things

[@yonigle8553]

beregond c tier for cittin' in the command zone

[@efnfen]

Crim turned into such a whiny baby. "wHy ArE yOu WoRrIeD aBoUt My ElDrAzI dEcK pOpPiNg OfF?!?!?? jUsT lEt Me WiN!!!!" He's literally screeching.

[@onefightone]

Casual week having an entire game being uninteractive and boring sounds about right

[@atk9989]

I don't know how that could be any worse than this game, Seth and Richard did nothing, Crim was the archenemy and it took Seth,Richard, and Phil to kill him.

[@av110386]

Lets GO best crew!

[@Varler_]

Billbo won 3 life away from activating. Lmao.

[@TheObstalace]

Richard is trying to act like he doesnt take every opportunity to play legion loyalty. Also not surprised tomer isnt here for this episode since he would certainly win it with some infinite combo /s

[@-homerow-]

I have never seen a casual Kobolds deck. Sus.

[@-homerow-]

Casual Eldrazi. Sus. 😂

[@-homerow-]

Casual infinite life. Very sus. Lol!

[@MTGGoldfish]

But what if you only have one land?

[@mpd_guy3232]

kinda sounds like phil popped off in game 1? woulda liked to see that personally

[@BrewersKitchen]

I had a turn 1 Serra Ascendant and nobody had removal 😅

[@enmanuelrondon9700]

​@@BrewersKitchensounds funny

[@atk9989]

​@@BrewersKitchenstill took 2 hours though?

[@paulnakashian5522]

Release the casual AF boring uniteractive cut!!!!!

[@chelseacomer1363]

Wait a minute.. "lands decks" are considered over powerful? Or is this sarcasm? I can't tell anymore I'm waiting for someone to tell me tribal and life gain decks are too powerful. "Basically if your deck has synergy and a purpose it's too powerful" lmao "only rando piles of jank in commander" oh please

[@gehork5256]

Why for the love of Nicol Bolas did Phil not cast Meathook for x equal 11...after killig the Kozilek with his deathtoucher....the whole Board gets killed...and next turn he plays erie Ultimatum.... Seriously why not????????

[@JimKanejfk]

The editors note about wishes that mentioned you could possibly wish for your companion isn't actually effective - the rules state explicitly that cards that bring other cards into the game don't function in commander, and what was changed to allow companions is that cards can bring themselves in to the game still function.

[@Niuttuc]

That part of the commander rules from the website isn't actually reflected in the CompRules, and may just be offloaded into the format not having traditional sideboards, which companions somehow get around in commander. With an uncertain situation, I turned to MTGO, and mtgo lets you wish for your companion just fine. But then again, mtgo is mtgo.

[@garettallen4963]

This was just a try to tilt crim episode and it worked

[@regail7143]

Crim will be 4 turns ahead of everyone with the most powerful commander at the table and call everyone else a threat...

[@feliperodrigues5437]

Bring Phil to the podcast too!

[@voidprism_studios666]

what the hell is that thumbnail of richard and phil lmaoo nightmare fuel

[@Humstuck]

man ... getting your commander sniper by bowmaster is brutal. I would be salty. Its everywhere in modern so in a casual setting you expect to be able to cast your kobold but then it gets sniped by the same ass card you are tired to play against in other formats. On top of that Seth played risky with a 1 lander, damn.

[@stronggreenflame]

I like combos but im sure some people would think of infinite life as not very casual

[@BrewersKitchen]

Yeah we didn't really build the decks with the title in mind. I just filled in with anything goes as the theme. I'd not call Bowmasters Casual AF either 😅

[@gjin9]

Can we please someday get versions of commander clash and the podcast uploaded that are the same as now except Crims mic is muted?

[@arachnon4785]

Phil is playing everything wrong with arena in one commander deck

[@maximus574]

I saw seth with one land and his creature gone on turn 1 had to leave after watching a non game for 3 turns. Y'all may be putting so many restrictions on your selves that end up being fun for 1 person but non games for others. Hopefully there will be a better game next time.

[@Metroid23456]

"scrotum of ugin" was the underappreciated joke of the year.

[@mightyone3737]

I feel so weird about this Zhulodok fellow, it's a neat ability and it's actually low enough to the ground to come out before the end of the game, but I still think you should just run Gruul or something, Gruul is rampy AF and has lots of handy ways to give Trample and the like, you also get to use Decimator of the Provinces, just in case End Raze Forerunners are too pushed for you! Gruuldrazi is better than Colorless, not sure why people get such a rush out of playing Colourless, it's really bad at lots of stuff, All is Dust is a great card, but most colourless stuff is more like Scour from Existence, where you probably should hesitate to run it even if you don't have other options, it's just so bad at what it does. Green ramp is lower to the ground than colourless, other than the very best stuff, and Green is crawling with 1 mana ramp while Colourless has a trickle of 0 and 1 mana ramp options, even if the best of those Colourless ones are super pushed. Kozilek is better with his harder casting cost, but new Ulamog is also very good, WAY better than the original, I don't run the shuffle-titans and I don't generally miss them (Emmy would probably be good, but the big girl is banned), they aren't as good as people remember. Annihilator is a really 'hit or miss' ability, vs some decks they lose a few irrelevant tokens, vs other decks they are key stuff. I'm not even sure if old Emmy is really better in Commander than new Emmy, it's like people freaking out about people being able to flicker a Primordial type stuff, the game has moved VERY MUCH on from that stuff being problematic, people run better stuff in their CZ these days (Prosper for example, which always starts with Inspiring Statuary and a Sol Ring), let alone in the 99, people don't even play that Blue Flicker engine anymore, the 5 mana that can flicker itself or 1 other creature. And yeah, old Kozilek is mostly a beatstick once you've drawn your cards, new Kozilek can do actual work. I run Lurking Predators in a deck with 57 creatures in the 99 (it downright slaps in there, you can either give me the game by casting stuff, or let me win by not casting stuff is usually how it plays out if people can't deal with it), and I've been trying to tempt myself to run it in my Gruul Eldrazi deck, it's exactly the kind of stupid card that Eldrazi love. The Gruul deck doesn't have as many creatures, but hitting a Blightsteel or Eldrazi would be just nutso value.

[@adamfiliatreault3393]

Seeing "Casual AF" and I got so excited. Should have let Tomer play instead of Crim, though, to have a full casual pod :D

[@CyberNewType]

While it does make for mild entertainment, the inability of almost ALL Magic content creators to actually read their own cards is kinda scary. Especially when they take like 3-4 times to read a card and STILL miss basic text.

[@thetruthisoutthere8714]

Seth running around like a lolly, feeding the predators

[@greg6538]

Extra-weak-ass-clash-on without Tomer :C