Casual Geographic Explains: Zoos

[@KarmasAB123]

11:00 Polar bears are definitely one of those animals where if you can see each other and you aren't VERY close to shelter, you are already dead.

[@mikefetterman6782]

I worked for a zoo for over 20 years. Mainly, I dealt with cobras, rattlesnakes, crocodiles, tortoises, but we did keep birds and smaller mammals occasionally. (we traded with other zoos, only). And I can attest the worst bite I ever had was a prairie dog.

[@InimitaPaul]

YAHOO! I can only imagine what those teeth can do!

[@Telleryn]

@@thothtahuti5509 That plus the self-sharpening rodent teeth, like being stabbed with a chisel, yikes!

[@willvr4]

@@thothtahuti5509 I mean....that's all relative. That's like saying an army ant is the strongest thing on the planet just because it can lift more than any other animal relative to its body weight. I'd take my chances with a prairie dog over a hippo or croc.

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

I worked in an Animalarium years back (A basic zoo) and the first day on the job the main handler said to me don't turn your back on any Primate or Canine in the park.... Second day, they shouldn't have been out for at least 4hrs, but I turned my back and some other idiot let them into the enclosure, they had my tools and a tub of paint, that I was using to freshen up their pen... One chimp doused himself in the paint 😬 I got fired because of it...... Impo, not my fault.... I'm just glad the chimp was ok.

[@rondohunter8966]

Can't testify to anything more than a few insect bites and a few dog bites over the years. But one thing I did learn from Dr. Pol is that you do not want to get bit by a rabbit or a beaver. Talk about self-sharpening teeth. Frankly any animal I'd prefer to avoid being bitten but some are much worse than others. Not just the bite damaging tissue but what comes with that bite. Toxins, bacteria, germs and other nasty little buggies that we don't tolerate well.

[@EdMac40]

My dog was sprayed by a skunk. I bathed him in tomato juice. It worked, but there was always a faint odor of skunk on him. It was a long time before I realized that it was on his collar that I had removed for the bath. As always, love ya, NP.

[@blakec8549]

Came to say the same. Scrubbed a depressed dalmatian with tomatoes because she wanted to play with a skunk.

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

I bet your puppah loved that scent when you put the collar back on after giving them a nice warm bath 🤣

[@rondohunter8966]

We would just use soap and water then let the dogs go wallow in the grass and dirt to complete the cleaning(?) to their satisfaction. Thank goodness we never had any porcupine encounters. Saw Dr. Pol handling those incidents, was not pleasant for the animal and tedious for the human removing ALL the quills and tips.

[@clicheguevara5282]

Casual Geographic is one of my favorite channels of all time. Love this dude.

[@CamperMan5000]

Gorillas don't recognize a smile as a smile, they see it as a challenge as you're showing them your teeth. Same with eye contact.

[@zhollamychalis4252]

Ms No Protocol...I concur. I don't do zoos, seaworlds or circuses of any type. As a kid I visited the Milwane game reserve in Swaziland. I do recall the majesty of the rhino and child. The rhino was taller at the shoulder than the roof of the car by over a foot. The impact tremor of its casual gait will stay with me t'ill the day I leave this earth. Over the years acquaintances attempt to give me grief over not seeing these animals in captivity. They do not remain acquaintances long. You do you...and I'll do me. Casual geographic is one of my favourite youtubers. The dude's sense of humour is most infectious. Cheers!

[@ericisprobablyfullofshit7797]

Zoos once played an important part in conservation just by allowing the general public to see these amazing animals, and the idea was that they might care more about preserving them. However it's the 21st century. You can click a video on KZbin and see animals in their natural environment. I think this is more effective because it makes you think about how preserving the animals is largely about saving their habits. tl/dr: We don't need zoos.

[@HerTony]

6:15 Travis was old and documentaries of that ape stated that as they age they become uncontrollable.

[@earthwormandruw]

0:48 I do pet sitting on the side and have dealt with two separate skunkings on doggos in the past month. Tomatoe juice is a myth. The best home remedy I have found that works so well. 3/4 cup baking soda (1) 32oz bottle of hydrogen peroxide 1-2 teaspoons of dawn dish soap. This creates a slurry, apply the slurry to sprayed areas. Don't not use any water before applying the slurry. Be very careful to avoid eyes and ears. Let sit for 5 minutes. Then rinse. the longer the skunk spray sits the more difficult it is to remove so a second or even third application of the slurry may be needed, but I have never had to do more than one application. I carry these ingredient with me whenever I pet sit just incase. Also getting wet may make the smell return very slightly but that normal and will fade quickly. (edit for typos and a little bit more info)

[@tahoehiker]

Tomato juice works much better than soap and water. My weimaraner got skunked 3 times and I learned that you will need multiple applications and it works best if you work it in deeply and let sit a few minutes before rinsing

[@earthwormandruw]

@@tahoehiker I agree tomato juice does work better than soap and water, but H2O2 mixed with baking soda and dish soap works even better than tomato juice :) Actually using just water is really bad and spreads it so make sure to not rinse first and just apply the slurry right away.

[@guarddog318]

A couple of thoughts: Having worked security at a zoo, a long time ago, I can attest to the fact that big cats have the same manner, thinking, and disposition as house cats. The problem is, the average pet owner knows how much blood loss is involved with keeping the typical house cat. Now magnify that by a factor of several hundred, and you'll understand what you're risking by scratching a tiger under the chin. ...even if it LIKES you. I can also tell you that hearing a full grown lion roar at midnight, when you're on foot patrol, in unfamiliar surroundings, will make parts of your anatomy shrink or tighten up in ways you didn't know possible. ... especially when that large male lion is less than 100 yards away, and all that stands between you and it is a silly chain link fence... that it has been known to get past.

[@Lightkie]

13:19 That left me in disbelieve for someone as well-read as you - for anyone, really. It's one of the first things you learn about basically any animal with teeth, that smiling is a provocation. If you replaced "smiling" with "baring your teeth", you would immediately understand it.

[@bigb-mt6fn]

I just want to say I love your videos. I work way too many hours, typical American, tv sucks, I am so happy when I see you have a new video, knowing you scrubbed the internet to find something interesting to view damn near every time! Keep doing your thing.

[@vblake530530]

Sometimes I get curious about your educational background and life experiences, but then I remember how mind blowing it is to hear you drop random knowledge. It’s more fun not knowing how the hell you so being so young.

[@SeerMagicX]

It was the 80s. Parents let their kid walk miles to school by themselves at age 11. Stay at home by themselves.

[@jeffreysmith236]

in the 60's I was left alone to go and do what I wanted when I was 6. As did my friends.

[@JayGundry]

Love your content, your intelligence and all round vibe. Keep up the great work!

[@JHX1]

Definitely not a fan of zoo's but I know a few that are quite big, have huge enclosures and not a lot of animals. I like it when I have to search for the animals and that you can only see them when they want to show themselves. And no, tomato juice just covers the smell up. Best is a peroxide, baking soda and soap mix. And god, I was there at the Dutch zoo that day, was bizarre!!

[@willvr4]

Yeah, as much as I love animals I avoid zoos unless I know for sure that the animals have enough space and are well taken care of.

[@HerTony]

13:33 smiling to them is not smiling. It’s a sign of aggression. Remember in a smile your actually showing your teeth, and eye contact is a form of challenge as you are keeping an eye on each other because you don’t trust each other.

[@OrdemDoGraveto]

About zoos: There's an study that show that on propper mantained zoo, not only the animals live longer then in nature, but they also are objectivelly happpier. Zoo animals exibit way lower cortisol levels, because they aren't nearly as stressed as wild ones. In the wild, animals are constantly stressed due to the pressures to survive, while in zoos they have their needs atended too at all times.

[@dre27321]

"propper mantained zoo" how percentage of zoos are properly ran though?

[@umaiar]

@ 13:19 "i didn't know you shouldn't smile and make eye contact with a gorilla" As much as they're remarkably human, they're also remarkably not human. Making eye contact and baring your teeth is not a great idea if they have access to you.

[@AdventurousNomad007]

If you smile at a gorilla, you're literally baring teeth. The gorilla sees this as a challenge.

[@glennheuts407]

Living in the Netherlands, that Bokito the gorilla story was crazy at the time, and still is

[@thewhat6219]

Top 3 test for any relationship: 1. Living together 2. Working on a project 3. Planning/taking a trip outside of your home city. Not in that order. And a stupidity tax would probably eclipse all debt, I believe. For all time. We have plenty of stupid to spare 😂

[@earthwormandruw]

keeping it casual today 👌🏽 nice :)

[@PhantomoftheFruits]

Congratulations in advance on 100k

[@SirLunchAL0t]

When I was a teenager I had a tortoise. One morning I woke up to an unfamiliar sound, it was a mixture of a screech and an exhale, I quickly realized it came from the terrarium, but I thought something terrible was happening to my tortoise. Instead I found the tortoise mounting a wooden ornament that was in the terrarium. He used to do that a lot from then on.

[@TheRealMirCat]

3:00 the confusion and realization lol

[@turkeyman1123]

After being skunked while camping over a dozen times over the course of my childhood(our dog's fault), yes, tomato soup is a lifesaver. I can't tell you how miserable the one camping trip we forgot to bring the tomato soup was.

[@jamiewilson9280]

‘They’re just out here Pokémoning pandas!’

[@sirfauxington2810]

Prolonged eye contact is ALWAYS a bad idea with animals: It's a challenge. Or in even more primalistic terms: the only animals who stare are predators focused on a prey.... You can have prolonged eye contact only with animals that actually trust you, a dog or a cat for example.

[@jeffjaeger739]

when I was in school there was a little skunk that had taken up residence in the large bush right beside the door to my apartment building. I used to come out in super early in the morning for a job I had before class, and he'd stick his little head out, being all curious. I would just say "hello" to him and keep going.

[@joshuawillard9813]

Mythbusters tested the tomato sauce and they said that all it does is make you smell like a skunk covered with tomato sauce. So, no, it doesn't work. There was something that worked better than the commercial deskunking bath, but I can't remember what it was.

[@rnavgps1470]

Skunk victim here. Got sprayed and got in my car when the smell became overwhelming. The smell in the car faded over time, the clothing had to be soaked in diluted ammonia.

[@bwanamatata]

Once again great video. I also think the dude's animal facts are awesome. Always chuckle during one of his vids. I might be very wrong about a great book that involves zoo's because 1. I read it looong ago (but in this galaxy). & 2. the "human in a zoo" trope has been sci-fi staple since my childhood. The book: Slaughter House Five by Kurt Vonnegut. In fact, it's on my short list of rereads, because Vonnegut was one of my faves and after decades away I want to find out why.

[@ezraanderson1190]

One thing I've learned from Casual Geo is that Ducks, dolphins, and peguins are sexually unhinged

[@KarmasAB123]

At first, I read that as "people," not "penguins"

[@ezraanderson1190]

@@KarmasAB123 I mean... that works too

[@brian554xx]

I like you a lot. Thanks for the one-way hangout!

[@keenannash2947]

I believe casual geographic has a video where he goes in detail about the Travis story you referred to... I can't remember the title.

[@happyfairyjerry]

We need more casual and tier zoo, please 😊

[@bakauf4300]

"The Animal Farm" - George Orwell.

[@sparkyfromel]

Talk with a Canadian guy who hunted , he told me when his young dog got sprayed by a skunk ( not the old ones , they got wise ) they would mournfully howl and he put them in the back of his pick up , the other dogs avoided them like plague and rode in the cab , back home he would take a big tomato juice can and give them a thorough brushing

[@Ubotit_Unaymit]

Dawn works better than tomato juice, but it's still gonna linger for awhile. I accidentally caught one in a live trap for raccoons. It was interesting trying to release it without getting sprayed. Should have filmed it.

[@NoProtocol]

I will remember Dawn in the case I ever have bad luck

[@DiarraHarris]

Casual Geographic has a chimp video and covers the Travis story.

[@Jaycee52548]

You have the best channel on KZbin :)

[@leechowning2712]

Let me help you with a book recommendation, since it has been out of print for a VERY long time. Over 80 years, to be honest. The book is named The Overloaded Ark by Gerald Durrell, and tells the story of what you were talking about of how zoos collected those animals, and the level of care often put into their collection... and then contrast it with the effort the zoos put into their collections health. After working for over a decade in the rainforest as a teacher, I have seen both sides... but where we are at this point is not a great answer, I do agree.

[@hulkamaanio]

seeing other great apes in zoos really hits different bc they are so like us

[@rondohunter8966]

Never been sprayed by a skunk personally but did run over one and the underside of my car took a direct spray. Don't know the condition of the skunk; it was dark and it would not be in a good mood if it did survive. I looked but did not see, assumed it ran off into the woods. The interior of the car had the odoriferous waft of the chemical warfare attack by the creature. I could only roll down all windows and drive back home (a couple miles) to begin the clean-up process, of a sort. Hand washed the interior surfaces with a bleach/water mix, saturated the cloth seats with spray air freshener. Thoroughly sprayed beneath the car with a water hose. The smell of the bleach generally over-rode the skunk odor; though the bleach smell did dissipate over a few hours the skunk smell lingered faintly for some time. Had hunting dogs get sprayed. They'll roll in the grass, dirt, anything to try to get rid of the odor. Just take them home and wash them down with soap and water.

[@ChrisXJames]

Book Recommendation: Ishmael by Daniel Quinn, it’s about humans being stewards to animals.

[@Kenneth_James]

Nahhh, that Chimp that mauled the lady story is far more interesting and stranger than you can imagine

[@casemcdonald2152]

People do this in Yellowstone too. It's entertaining for the locals.

[@TheGimpster101]

At the end when you were asking where the kids parents were when all that was happening…..it was 1987 in Brooklyn……it was a different world back then. Kids went out by themselves or with their friends quite a bit, it was considered normal back then (fyi I’m a millennial so I came from a similar era)

[@jokuz9133]

My dog got sprayed 3x in about one week. The skunk was tearing up are yard. I used baking soda each time. It works well

[@Raven5150]

Tomato bath helps but still very noticable

[@JRush374]

I once had some possums mating outside my bedroom window. It's brutally violent and lasted for like an hour.

[@McKavian]

I don't know who is more amuusing, Casual Geo or No Protocol.

[@7Wallstreet]

Michael Jackson's pet chimp, Bubbles, was off-limits to friends and fans, because he was dangerous as an adult chimp. (Mike, as well.)😂

[@jakewhite1760]

@13:25 nooo never hold eye contact or smile at any apes/monkeys, and smiling (with your teeth showing) is a really bad idea to do in front of 90% of predators too tbh. To a tonnn of animals that don’t have external weaponry like horns/antlers/stingers/etc, their teeth are by far their biggest defensive weapon. So showing your teeth to them in any way is basically equivalent to someone out in public intentionally lifting their shirt to show you the gun they have in their wasteband lol

[@rachelmaxwell5936]

chimpanzees and bonobos are about equally related to humans, though they're far more closely related to each other than either is to humans. Which is weird because psychologically they're about as different as you can get.

[@glennheuts407]

Book tip: Hachiko, a dogs tale❤❤ also 2 movies

[@jeffjaeger739]

my sociologist friend has told me that the bonobo is the closest primate to humans...

[@lditiero]

You should never show your teeth (smile) to any animal nor make eye contact. Showing your teeth is a sign of aggression for animals, as it's their primary weapon. Apes are particularly aggrieved by teeth showing. The smile is a unique human behavior, no other species smiles (though we tend to anthropomorphize most animal behavior, specially pets). And eye contact is perceived as a challenge, specially for territorial animals. That's why in pack animals (dogs, lions, wolves, etc) the submissive individual often lower their head towards the leader never making eye contact.

[@artisancans3954]

"How i wish i were a younger man!". Greetings from Yorkshire UK. Take care. John. Hah!

[@danwiggin1213]

I have been sprayed, my dogs have been sprayed. Forget tomato sauce and all the otc products. Dawn, baking soda and hydrogen peroxide (more than once), then bowls of white vinegar out to eliminate the smell in the house.

[@caribbeanman3379]

You're not supposed to smile at gorillas because to them a human smile looks like a threatening grimace. I think the same/similar applies to chimps, except that you can smile to a chimp as they also smile, but you have to be careful to only show lower teeth. Showing upper teeth would be interpreted as a threatening grimace.

[@Timmycoo]

As someone who's rode on a camel, and witnessed one projectile vomit onto a fellow human lol. They are temperamental but so adorable. Also Cassowary talons are so much bigger than it looks. Having seen it IRL you... yeah no wonder they are deadly.

[@nvert88]

My dog got sprayed by a skunk when I was a teenager and we got her into a tomato bath as soon as we could and it did absolutely nothing. 😅

[@ravenward626]

@02:48 They are fluffy. They become much less cute when wet.

[@filipebento2099]

The eye contact with gorilas is somewhat known

[@voidhawkslx]

As a keeper and wildlife rehabber for the last 15 years there's pretty much nothing in here I'd disagree with. To some questions Tomato Baths don't work, someone I work with was sprayed 11 times - it just always takes about a week to shower off, tomato baths just make you smell more like tomato. Orangutans really are that smart, it's wild. We had a diabetic orangutan that would present her toe for blood testing (obviously this results in pain but she'd do it anyway). For a reward she would drink some very dilute gatorade from a gatorade bottle. Which was handed to her whole, which sent red flags for me the first time (what if she eats it). Nope, she unscrewed the cap, took small sips, would screw it back on and carry it around, when she was done she'd go come back in and hand the empty bottle back. Turkey vultures are 100% Dogs, they behave exactly as described (actually all vultures do, even old world vultures) hopping up and down when they see their favorite people and being playful, they grunt when they're happy/excited. In this same vein owls are basically cats. Also a tip if you want to have some fun at a zoo, look at the keeper colors - likely khaki and green. Wear those colors and come to the zoo in the morning or evening right before close. I can guarantee the entire visit will be completely different as all the animals will be looking at you as if they know you and they'll be expecting you to interact somehow (since this is when we move them, feed them, in some cases play with them etc)... they'll chase you along the exhibits, call, get excited and jump around. Not to mention sunset is when all the primates call to eachother, elk bugle, big cats/bears roar etc. It's a whole other experience. The big cats will pick you out of a crowd all day and always cozy up to wherever keepers are. The above is also excellent if you're trying for pics to practice photography since they'll often come straight to you as close as they can get.

[@ORagnar]

14:24 I see zoos (the ones that treat animals well) as less stressful for the animals than nature. Nature is brutal. o

[@j0hnn13K]

The sad fact of why some animals get killed if they escape and injure someone, is not because they injured (or worse) someone, its the fact that the animal now knows it can do that and they become a danger to their caretakers. So not only do some idiots put themselves in danger, they also ensure that certain animals will get put down if the idiots get injured. And with monkeys/apes, smiling and showing teeth is an expression of aggression because you signal the intent to bite them. Making direct eye contact for too long can be intimidating to them, especially if that is combined with the showing of teeth, if you do both you basically challenge them to a fight, And of course you can up the stupidity level one more notch if you happen to do with with a silverback, which Bokito happened to be ;) (he was not put down i might add)

[@Raven5150]

The story travis is in the nope by jordan peele the movie anout about it but for some reason its in it

[@kennethlane7645]

Yeah Gorilla's take eye contact as disrespect and showing your teeth as a challenge of dominance.

[@charlesf2804]

I didn't know the Prospect Park Zoo had polar bears (I live in Brooklyn), but it's not a surprise. The stupid human tricks are why zoos need to harden themselves somehow. I am angry at the foolishness zoo patrons can perpetrate; as for the cases presented in the video, part of me thinks it's a tragedy for all participants, the other thinks the people (except for the baby dropped into the habitat) got what they asked for by getting into the cages against warnings of the zookeepers. Even I know not to make direct eye contact with any animal. Still, had I seen it live I'd have been horrified like everyone else. And those having the audacity to sue the zoo for their own carelessness or foolishness? THAT makes me the most angry.

[@Ben_Kunga]

Now I know why one of my ducks died.

[@brentandvuk]

Great video

[@StanHowse]

"The head-Keeper got on his staff about locking the cage..." Bro, what!? "I came into work today, and these Mfers are Ganged up outside the door, asking me for my Lunch.." More than 1 person is getting fired, TODAY.

[@wilgarcia1]

I loved the story I saw once where A gorilla had a pet kitten =)

[@NoProtocol]

That sounds wholesome

[@romanmir01]

long long time ago my ex gf had a dog that was sprayed by a skunk and she didn't realize it and picked up the dog... she had to perform at a concert the next day, I was bathing her in tomato juice for a couple of hours, also shampoos.. It wasn't too bad at the end

[@joshuawillard9813]

That's something I never understood. If any animal other than humans show their teeth, it is a threat display. When humans do it, it means we're happy....WHAT?!

[@paultricklebank]

Most animals that grimace in this way have huge canines which are there just for that purpose

[@TheGabrielPT]

We could tak about the morality of zoos existing in the first place, but that would be a 2h debate

[@firehorsewoman414]

I boycott zoos, but I can’t deny that I love getting to see animals that I would never have an opportunity to see in person. I just wish the “zoo” could be more of a natural environment where we could observe them without us being observed. I always feel bad for the animals in their small enclosures, especially the monkeys, apes and elephants.

[@firehorsewoman414]

Bonobo i believe

[@2dashville]

How about Dr. Dolittle for a literary reference?

[@JuandeFucaU]

tomato juice does minimize skunk smell but not by much..... you'd be better off bathing the skunk in tomato juice before it sprays.

[@nukiesduke6868]

Let us all have a moment of silence for the chad Harambe. Dicks out for Harambe!

[@JJBushfan]

I think most of us think the same way as you.

[@donkfail1]

Why the tomato bath tip even if doesn't work? Wouldn't it be funny making someone taking a tomato bath for nothing? :D

[@ORagnar]

15:08 Do people who climb into animal enclosures deserve to die? Well, if they are young I give them leeway, but when you know better in a way you do. It's like walking across a freeway at night while blindfolded. It's insane. o

[@danwiggin1213]

Where the red fern grows.

[@NoProtocol]

Dan, this is the first book that popped into my mind!

[@eric1138]

I felt the exact same way when I visited a zoo. I left depressed but I understand they are important and necessary when used for the right reasons as you described.

[@Raven5150]

If i just wander into a gorilla population i know what to d but since i wont be anywhere near africa when it happens i wont remember any of that and do everythung im not supposed to cause if gorrilas are running around un tennessee alot if things have already gone wrong

[@Competitive_Antagonist]

4:55 Chimpanzees, bonobos and orangutans. According to Bing AI.

[@earthwormandruw]

Bonobo is also a dope band.

[@guyobhf6273]

I agree that animals do what they do and shouldn't die due to human stupidity. Your stance on visiting zoos is well taken but if you go to the right zoo, you may feel differently. They don't all confine animals in inordinately small cages, though many still do.

[@willvr4]

Koalas instantly become less cute once you hear the crazy noises they make, the fact that their babies eat their diarrhea right out of their assholes...and once you realize that almost every single Koala on the planet has chlamydia. That's not even an exaggeration.

[@NoProtocol]

Thank you for ruining koalas for me Will haha

[@willvr4]

@@NoProtocol Haha sorry to burst your bubble! If you want something more heart warming, this gorilla falling in love with a sanctuary owner's wife will make you smile :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYmYaJ9-l7aDbM0&pp=ygUdaHVtYW4gYW5kIGdvcmlsbGEgaW50ZXJhY3Rpb24%3D&ab_channel=TheAspinallFoundation

[@LJsReactions]

Fox really does smell bad

[@pluck8913]

You don't smile at any wild animal. At least not with teeth, as showing your teeth is a sign of agression.

[@dyoung3536]

Is the bird "Kevin" from the movie 'Up' supposed to be a Cassowary? The Vince Shute Wildlife Sanctuary in Northern Minnesota was started by an old logger who chose to feed the bears as opposed to killing them when they'd break into the logging camp cabins. As it became more popular, they had to build a viewing platform to separate the people from the bears. People would sit their kids on the backs of the Black Bears for photos. People are so stupid. If the opportunities arises, I'd recommend visiting. Not many places in the wild you can go and see dozens of Black Bears at once in the wild (they are free to roam in and out of the park). .

[@justguy-4630]

Too big. It was supposed to be a made up creature if not an extinct animal.

[@grumpyboomer61]

Yeah, gorillas take eye contact and showing your teeth as a sign of aggression, so not a good idea. It always bothers me when animals die because humans are idiots. I'd be fine with the zoo staff shooting the idiot to end his pain, then returning the animal to it's habitat.

[@Raven5150]

You read cujo in grade school thats odd? I mean what other books about a dog we fall in love with for it to just get rabies could there be

[@baldbastardo]

The Tomato Industrial Complex strikes again!

[@m3ntal_c0re]

You are the second cutest person on the internet...😮

[@Raven5150]

$1,000,000 per year per panda is the lease on pandas thats why not many zoos have them alanta had 2 wehen i went there and a cub was born 3 days before i was there

[@oddpoppetesq.3467]

All pandas Technically are chinese, so yeah you are correct. All Pandas in foreign Zoos are only lent to the zoos, China doesnt sell pandas. Same as any Panda born in any zoo still belong to china and have to ve taken back at a certain age to learn "How to Panda", as most of them born into captivity dont understand, or cant be bothered, to mate. So they are shipped back and taught the ways, its weird... But in a good way, because in all intents and purpose the panda would have gone the way of the dodo decades ago, by tiger, if it wasnt for human interaction.... 🤷

[@ArtistJoshuaWeigand]

I also don't particularly enjoy animal prison, although I'm not opposed to killing animals. Although, although I think I agree with you that humans messing with animals should get a stupidity tax. I like that idea.