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[Casual Player] TOP No Healer Clear

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Slience River

Slience River

Күн бұрын

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@vayneinsane
@vayneinsane Жыл бұрын
And I thought I was crazy for wanting to solo heal this. Top Tier gameplay sir.
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
Turns out solo-heal is perfectly doable!
@silly5905
@silly5905 Жыл бұрын
Yoshi P: "go play ultimate if you want engaging healer gameplay" Players: "no"
@DuploBone
@DuploBone Жыл бұрын
😅😂
@georgeallison6528
@georgeallison6528 Жыл бұрын
@@trask9100 I mean we all know healers in FF are never healers. Should've played WOW if anyone ever wanted to have a challenging healer gameplay.
@georgeallison6528
@georgeallison6528 Жыл бұрын
@@trask9100 Not my fault u aren't mentally and physically strong enough for the game, mate. Saying FF isn't aids is like saying LOL is friendlier than dota 2
@silly5905
@silly5905 Жыл бұрын
@@trask9100 Why stop there? You can include the other roles in that last statement, too.
@eruditeminds4887
@eruditeminds4887 Жыл бұрын
This game has been lacking in healer gameplay since ShB, the expansion where they decided to both neuter their DPS spells and make damage extremely predictable and boring AF to heal.
@HaoyuTao
@HaoyuTao Жыл бұрын
Blaze was right, he really didn't have to heal.
@PainoDarkness
@PainoDarkness Жыл бұрын
You're fucking insane for that
@TheOdinsLance
@TheOdinsLance Жыл бұрын
Definitely an insane strat. I have to say I am in love with the liberal use of Mantra/Magick Barrier to boost Clemency, Physick, and Vercure. Also, seeing the raw barrier potency of 2 Paladins spaming Divine Veil alongside a Dancer using Improvisation and a Warrior using Shake It Off is just nuts.
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
Lmfao and I thought just buffing Shake It Off normally is already pretty nuts (admittedly, Savage raid experience speaking... 😅)
@sifren2491
@sifren2491 Жыл бұрын
next challenge: TOP cleared by 8 botanists
@gapho5198
@gapho5198 Жыл бұрын
7 Weavers and 1 Armorer.
@drzoidberg71
@drzoidberg71 Жыл бұрын
@@gapho5198 a friend and I tested DOH/DOL dps. The top dps is miner. Neutering yourself to play with less op classes is.... amazing.
@hereniho
@hereniho Жыл бұрын
@@drzoidberg71 Reminder that you can use lv 60 accessories on DoL/H classes to increase their strength and do more damage
@RicardoSantos-oz3uj
@RicardoSantos-oz3uj 7 ай бұрын
So Reapers and Warriors. Possible.
@fardin.fkr3
@fardin.fkr3 Жыл бұрын
i wanna see the devs faces when they see this
@MrDdGANGER
@MrDdGANGER Жыл бұрын
"Top was properly playtested and healers are engaging to play in ultimates"
@AaronWOfficial
@AaronWOfficial Жыл бұрын
@@MrDdGANGER this is what happens when they make the game accessible to casuals (specifically how easy the jobs are to play now vs before), ppl can cheese hard content with 0 healers
@WhiteGryphus
@WhiteGryphus Жыл бұрын
@@AaronWOfficial you say this like this is any easier than playing with normal 2t2h4d party
@AaronWOfficial
@AaronWOfficial Жыл бұрын
@@WhiteGryphus never said it was easier. My point is this would not be possible back in the day, but because of how accessible they made this game to casuals its now possible to do it because the utility jobs have now is too op. I have been playing this game since goad and diversion were a thing, and tanks had 2 stances and shit. Seeing the way the game is right now and how easy it is to play is honestly disappointing. They need to buff the boss fights, the bosses don't do enough damage tbh
@Martynus7
@Martynus7 Жыл бұрын
@@AaronWOfficial Sure, but this is no Dark Souls either. Many of the casual players don't even know most of the boss mechanics on lvl 90 expert dungeons; they don't know AOE timings, when to stack, when to run off, how to position, how to read debuffs. This game is more teamwork oriented instead of really high damage bosses. I started my first savages on Pandaemonium 1-4, we cleared in 2 months sweating a lot, then recleared with absolute ease because our party grew together and we understood mechs. I think FF has a far better MMO structure regarding raids than just having simply OP damage bosses everywhere.
@Jasou2
@Jasou2 Жыл бұрын
Amazing clear. Huge respect to the strats and usage of potions. On top of that manual marking too? Yall gaming so hard
@eysedrise1453
@eysedrise1453 Жыл бұрын
Ah so the secret is to assemble a team comp with healing and shielding actions, travel to the mountains of Tibet, live as monks training your healing and damage synergies for 6 years and then return to defeat the hardest fight in the game. Got it.
@leiferikson850
@leiferikson850 Жыл бұрын
"The power of 6 monks"
@Fexghadi
@Fexghadi Жыл бұрын
Third hardest*
@zannibalable
@zannibalable 6 ай бұрын
@@Fexghadi na def the hardest, dsr is a piece of cake and others ultimates are jokes mechanics wise
@StellariumSound
@StellariumSound Жыл бұрын
When they finally commit me to an institution I can point at this as proof that there are crazier people out there. Well done.
@ceriserosaria
@ceriserosaria Жыл бұрын
The Physicks killed me. Amazing.
@JDxxxxxx
@JDxxxxxx 10 ай бұрын
lol
@ProfessorHeavy1
@ProfessorHeavy1 Жыл бұрын
That response to Magic Number was extraordinary. i mean, everyone saw it coming- res cheesing isn't all that unheard of, but in this case? Spectacular.
@JDxxxxxx
@JDxxxxxx 10 ай бұрын
Res cheesing? What’s that?
@GuyN0ir
@GuyN0ir 7 ай бұрын
@@JDxxxxxxTo clear the debuff that kills them they just died in the first application and rezzed after the second. The intended solve is healer LB3
@SoraShadowdancer
@SoraShadowdancer 27 күн бұрын
This is absolutely amazing! Great job!! You guys are incredibly skilled!
@pixielst
@pixielst Жыл бұрын
Holy shit. The clemency coordination between both pld is crazy.
@Inferlis
@Inferlis Жыл бұрын
So...next run is without the job crystal, right?
@richardwallis9374
@richardwallis9374 Жыл бұрын
I wanna see tank top
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
@@richardwallis9374 Same
@ordi8725
@ordi8725 Жыл бұрын
As a healer main, this made me feel obsolete. Thanks. On a serious note, this is insane strat and well done on pulling it off
@Krysta1Rose
@Krysta1Rose Жыл бұрын
I thought at the final phase there was a mandatory healer lb? Jesus this is impressive. Well done!!
@cheesecake13448
@cheesecake13448 Жыл бұрын
the paladins use cover on the red mage and summoner to survive the first healer LB mechanic, then the smn and rdm prepare raises on everyone else and they use the short time of post-rez invulnerability to have some people survive the second healer LB mechanic long enough for everyone to accept the raises that they were given earlier and so they come out of it alive with no healer LB. it's actually such a cool strategy and i'm shocked that they managed to pull it off while still doing enough damage to beat the enrage cast.
@Krysta1Rose
@Krysta1Rose Жыл бұрын
Amazing!! Thank you for helping me make sense of how this was pulled off ^^
@Elendrial
@Elendrial Жыл бұрын
​@@cheesecake13448 As far as I can tell they're not actually using res-invulnerability, instead they're abusing the difference in time between the damage snapshot and the damage application. At 18:33 you see this pov being the first one up (though they're all close enough that this might be different on different povs) and they immediately start attacking, getting rid of the invuln, and the SMN dying after that. An extra tidbit: The DNC and MNK both appear to wall early so the RDM has enough time to res everyone, before the RDM themself walls so the SMN can res them. Similarly the pld we're watching doesn't mit magic number so they die that little bit sooner for the resses.
@VaioletteWestover
@VaioletteWestover Жыл бұрын
@@Krysta1Rose The timing of their individual deaths must be also insanely precise to ensure they are outputting the maximum damage, any mistake with the timing will result in failing the damage check too. They are basically dying at the last possible attack and waiting for the second magic number cast to finish to revive..... the level of planning that went into this is nothing short of insanity.
@alphaarcher4723
@alphaarcher4723 Жыл бұрын
​@@cheesecake13448looks very similar to the goodbye world strat for o12s, which is rather fitting
@Paien75
@Paien75 Жыл бұрын
Y’all just earned the Legend title in real life. Wow
@yuukiharuka1402
@yuukiharuka1402 Жыл бұрын
THis is the most impressive sh I've ever seen in my life. Absolute god tier gaming skill.
@Wawawawawhe
@Wawawawawhe Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely insane. Awesome job!
@xicision2533
@xicision2533 Жыл бұрын
Oh boy, I feel the salt ._. Do realize that even though this is possible, it's going to be really god damn hard to replicate. Because it splits the job of healing between the whole party. Congratulate the players for finding and planning out everything to make this possible. It's impressive how this group was able to take one of the hardest pieces of content in this game and do it without healers. Think of it like that one 3 tank run of DSR. Didn't have a 4th dps and still cleared it. It took a lot of tries and some of the best players in the game, yet they still did it. It's not the fact that the game is broken. More so the players are skilled enough to pull it off.
@g0UOjE6fq5GB
@g0UOjE6fq5GB Жыл бұрын
The 'Casual Player' is the party of the least casual of any FF14 players. Congratulations on a feat no one else could have done.
@marchwhitlock6455
@marchwhitlock6455 Жыл бұрын
Staring into the swivelling eyes of instrumental practice and daring it to blink.
@Dustlite
@Dustlite Жыл бұрын
Very cool. Though there are a lot of people in the comments with a single braincell not thinking about how much time and effort this took to learn to this degree and venerating it like it somehow justified not having healers or that healing is poorly designed in ff. Overall, cool vid.
@rayyanchile8728
@rayyanchile8728 Жыл бұрын
ikr? like this shit is insane and there’s no way in hell anyone can do it casually without insane planning and huge effort lol
@haydarinna631
@haydarinna631 Жыл бұрын
Healing IS poorly designed. I will change my mind when I see a 8 healer party clear ultimate. If skilled dps and tanks can replace healers but skilled healers can't do dps that rivals tanks or dps, it is badly designed. It is very cool that they were able to clear this but healer is the only role that can be made redundant through player skill and coordination. You can use all the time, effort and coordination you want but healers can't make other roles redundant. I would love to see a no-dps clear or a no-tank clear but I know that realistically an all-tank clear is more likely than either of those.
@VaioletteWestover
@VaioletteWestover Жыл бұрын
@@haydarinna631 Your example makes no sense? By your logic since there are no 8 tank or attacker clear of Omega that means all roles are poorly designed? You can't constantly cry about homogenization and then basically say "every job needs to have equal utility within the game or I will try to make an outlier clear about myself and whine about it." This clear has *literally* nothing to do with you. it's a type of gameplay that has nothing to do with 99.999999% of players in this game which is why only these people have done this out of the hundreds of thousands of people that have attempted this mission. Your team and most teams probably can't even pass phase 1 single healing so please don't act like this team somehow diminished your role and suddenly no one will want you.
@haydarinna631
@haydarinna631 Жыл бұрын
@@VaioletteWestover There are 8 tanks clears of other content, including a bunch of pandemonium savage and ucob. Imagine if this was a video showing this content being cleared with 5 tanks and 3 healers and people in the comments were saying they wanted dps jobs to be more vital. You would not be arguing against them. You are the one making this about yourself. No one said anything negative about this team. But enjoy arguing against arguments that you come up with instead of actually confronting any differing opinions, I guess. This team didn't diminish anything. They did a great job with this clear. But the devs and other brainless mobs like you keep diminishing how bad healers are in their current state. You only bring up "homogenization bad" when it lets you make an argument against healers. Somehow healers being lesser than other roles helps variety in this game? Great argument. I don't care if noone wants me. If I'm kicked from a party because I don't have the player skill the job needs, I am fine with that. But the jobs require no skill and I am never kicked except for when I didn't get that week's gear yet so they want to take a healer with 1 more ilvl instead. That 1 ilvl will make more difference than any gap in the competence of 2 healers ever could.
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
​@@haydarinna631 well, why do you think healer shortage for savage raids is a thing?
@Crow-wv6if
@Crow-wv6if Жыл бұрын
I thought the title was a joke at first. Ultimate players are amazing
@marslara
@marslara Жыл бұрын
This is not an ultimate player thing, this is just a select few being really good and coordinated. I don't think most groups could pull this off
@Crow-wv6if
@Crow-wv6if Жыл бұрын
Oh i see, that’s still crazy, never done an ultimate yet but healerless is a whole new level
@Yokai_Yuri
@Yokai_Yuri Жыл бұрын
Whaaaat!?? Wow...imaigne clearing the strongest fight in the game with no healers. Either this group loved the T.O.P fight too much to attempt this or they hated it snd this is their revenge
@churchren3899
@churchren3899 Жыл бұрын
Well played, that's some incredible skill and a solid use of cheese!
@ItsMayme
@ItsMayme Жыл бұрын
Absolute gamer units. Wow
@Joeyfield0
@Joeyfield0 Жыл бұрын
"Testing efficacy of combat role allocation..."
@lowwho
@lowwho Жыл бұрын
恭喜!!!
@taiwancowbei8857
@taiwancowbei8857 Жыл бұрын
is this counter measure to the healer shortage issue
@tuesdayxu1377
@tuesdayxu1377 Жыл бұрын
太强了,为你们骄傲
@JPrescottQ
@JPrescottQ Жыл бұрын
This is unbelievable. Well played!
@AnAverageBox
@AnAverageBox Жыл бұрын
Honestly rez immunity op. Well done!
@SoraShadowdancer
@SoraShadowdancer 27 күн бұрын
I just realized. With 7.1 SE patched out the ability to clear the fight with this party make-up. You can't have two PLD in an ultimate party anymore. It will prevent the charging of the LB gauge.
@centurionaugust7690
@centurionaugust7690 Жыл бұрын
3:38 ok but why he pull out the confetti already
@untrustingstatue
@untrustingstatue Жыл бұрын
when you reach a certain hp threshold during an enrage cast you basically know you have it in the bag if you just keep dpsing at the steady rate
@TJetPrime
@TJetPrime Жыл бұрын
That was AMAZING! savour this victory, this was god tier gameplay.
@devinayaz9210
@devinayaz9210 Жыл бұрын
casual player? with that level of coordination. Id sooner meet the Pope.
@Fexghadi
@Fexghadi Жыл бұрын
People were like "TOP is harder than DSR" omegalul
@zydeox1221
@zydeox1221 Жыл бұрын
Smells to me that this video is going to explode
@XTr3m3b4sh
@XTr3m3b4sh Жыл бұрын
What is this HUD layout, I can literally only see a quarter of the screen.
@gandarf80
@gandarf80 Жыл бұрын
What you mean? I see atleast 3 healers
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
5 if you want to go a bit further
@gandarf80
@gandarf80 Жыл бұрын
oh yea, RDM and SMN
@UmrAl-Tawil4422
@UmrAl-Tawil4422 Жыл бұрын
Random Q, how many test runs did it take to get it down ?
@sakurayomae4201
@sakurayomae4201 Жыл бұрын
within 52 times Phase 6 over 3 months
@Crash_Masquerade
@Crash_Masquerade Жыл бұрын
This is some top tier stuff, impressive gameplay, well done and congrats!!!
@ShxpxRok
@ShxpxRok Жыл бұрын
Casual Chinese players. can't do nothing but respect it good job :3
@arturferreira9721
@arturferreira9721 Жыл бұрын
OMG, like Omega, couldn't understand, me too fail to understand how this was possible. simply can't computate this.
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
Lmfao Actually it's just good coordination, knowing your specific roles, and what your job is capable of, and hope that everything works out in the end. Also plan the team comp, of course. But with that said, easy in theory, HOLY FUCKING SHITE in practice.
@zzilmur
@zzilmur Жыл бұрын
🎉🎉🎉恭喜🎉🍾️🍾️
@akikotachibana
@akikotachibana Жыл бұрын
fly high, you chinese gamers
@kuri_curry
@kuri_curry Жыл бұрын
I'm a healer main, and I quite honestly think this is epic af. Also, just because it was done, doesn't mean it was easy. XD That's seriously naive to think, also very optimistic. Can you do it? Perhaps. If you have 7 other people this good who is willing to do so. Logically speaking if you look at the comp, they've kind of 'replaced healers' with utility from the other jobs. ie, DNC, 2 x PLD, 1 WAR, RDM. Very clever, amazingly done! XD I can only dream of such things.
@shinkamui
@shinkamui Жыл бұрын
lot of people saying ''uh this shouldn't be possible, bad design'', if anything i love when stuff like this is doable, extremely cool to see
@XUIW
@XUIW Жыл бұрын
Yeah they literally used all the major jobs that can heal or self heal in their kit that so replacing healers to add in more dps literally made them down the boss even faster. There need be a major rework to roles if we want to keep healers relevant in the near future (probably 7.0?)
@Jaxter0987
@Jaxter0987 Жыл бұрын
@@XUIW "Down the boss even faster" Did you miss the part where they were racing against the enrage timer? And the fact that they had to hold dps in multiple phases to get cooldowns to line up to make their healing and mitigation plan work? Or the fact that their clear was the slowest to among the few non standard comp clears. Healers are still plenty relevant.
@XUIW
@XUIW Жыл бұрын
I mean you do realize this entire purpose of the comp they are using giving them both the privilege to mitigate, heal, dps when needed right? They can do that without worrying about dps check because their whole comp is made up of dps that has offensive cds that helps them in those times. It’s not like they were going to one tap the enrage timer when literally most of them died the rdm was there to pick them up faster than what a healer can do and they’re a dps that is the issue to what I mean by “irrelevant” when tanks and dps can do things that doesn’t require healers to be there. This is a ultimate fight known to be more punishing, you’re usually meant to focus more on survival than a savage fight where even in savage you could ideally pull off the same thing, healers are by no means irrelevant though they will soon feel that way with how you can even run solo run trials, raids, and 90 dungeons with just war and still clear fights any fight in the game is the issue here.
@MrDdGANGER
@MrDdGANGER Жыл бұрын
@@shinkamui It is a bad design if memes like this are possible to do in release patch. TOP so far is the worst ultimate because it is obvious with all bugs and this stuff that they crunched and rushed release while not caring about quality any second.
@KokoKrunchs
@KokoKrunchs Жыл бұрын
This is just insane! Very well done 🎉
@darkhand412
@darkhand412 7 ай бұрын
The Physicks, I lost it xD
@twa6262
@twa6262 Жыл бұрын
생각지도 못한일을 실제로 해내다니 동경하게되!
@gundampharmacist7348
@gundampharmacist7348 Жыл бұрын
Um, sir. Sir. I see two healers there, they’re called Paladins. :P Insanely good stuff though!
@hereniho
@hereniho Жыл бұрын
Don't forget the Warrior!
@Kaladin07
@Kaladin07 Жыл бұрын
Amazing accomplishment! Congrats ❤
@powergi3996
@powergi3996 Жыл бұрын
Next: Clear TOP with auto-attacks only.
@mincho0616
@mincho0616 Жыл бұрын
Incredible, gratz on the clear xDDD
@IKIGAIofficial
@IKIGAIofficial Жыл бұрын
this is amazing!
@zanagi
@zanagi Жыл бұрын
Yoshi P : If you want harder rotations for the healers, just do Ultimates guys! the guys :
@in2it85
@in2it85 21 күн бұрын
*What the actual fk...* *This is crazy.*
@KasumiYoschikawa
@KasumiYoschikawa Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy 😳 gg!
@jilltime
@jilltime Жыл бұрын
incredible🎉
@hyperionnova2854
@hyperionnova2854 Жыл бұрын
I like how people are taking the opportunity to complain about the state of healers when the majority of statics, let alone players on PF, can’t even clear the fight even with a standard 2-healer comp. Lmao
@marikafukuroi86
@marikafukuroi86 Жыл бұрын
what PF/average static is going to have this level of coordination
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
People only see the job icons and ignore how this is not just an "ordinary" run either.
@vaan_
@vaan_ Жыл бұрын
Can tell you know nothing about this fight if you think comp is why people can't clear this, and not skill issue from not being able to handle mechs
@maybayV2
@maybayV2 Жыл бұрын
​@@vaan_ can tell you you don't know how to read
@vaan_
@vaan_ Жыл бұрын
​@@maybayV2 don't you have moogle tomes to farm, limsa afker? shush
@fluffyfang4213
@fluffyfang4213 Жыл бұрын
1: Impressive. Both in planning and execution. 2: Despite the other comments, if there's a "healer problem", it's not in this video.
@asdsad17
@asdsad17 Жыл бұрын
why not zoom out?
@ConeheadMerlin
@ConeheadMerlin Жыл бұрын
Damn, they be GAMIN HARD
@SoraShadowdancer
@SoraShadowdancer 27 күн бұрын
HOT DAMN THAT ENDING!
@SomeOne-vh1rm
@SomeOne-vh1rm Жыл бұрын
So Ucob got beaten by 8 tanks, TOP no healer, as much as I would like to see others beat the other ultimate without a healer it is impossible to beat UwU, TEA and DSR without a healer due to the mechs in the fight
@ryanrushford7918
@ryanrushford7918 Жыл бұрын
Wow… astounding is all I can say. Congrats to you and your team, that’s absolutely insane! I honestly had to see it to the end to believe it lol. Even though you’ve just proved that one of the hardest fights can be done without a healer, I’ve said for long enough if SE won’t fix the healing issue, then just drop all healers to 1 per party in any content. I always have way more fun solo healing.
@verdantmischief7092
@verdantmischief7092 Жыл бұрын
Well played
@AxelFireDancer
@AxelFireDancer Жыл бұрын
Showing off paladins true potential 👏 the sheer amount of team work in this is amazing
@crosssquirrel4293
@crosssquirrel4293 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Criterion dungeons savage can be done without healers too.
@Amanofan7777
@Amanofan7777 Жыл бұрын
Uh... Kutori is playing as the best healer in the game...
@malefico0079
@malefico0079 7 ай бұрын
It should be and adchivment call "THIS IS MADNESS!" and title rewar call "The Madness Raider"
@Genowhirl13
@Genowhirl13 Жыл бұрын
im sooo jealous of this. im horrible player this game BUt THIS SOOOO INSANE AND AWESOME!!!!!
@robertedmonds5235
@robertedmonds5235 Жыл бұрын
So how are they all getting healed?
@robertedmonds5235
@robertedmonds5235 Жыл бұрын
Total BS
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
Just because you don't have green role in the comp doesn't mean no one else can heal.
@SoraShadowdancer
@SoraShadowdancer 27 күн бұрын
Clemency, Curing Waltz, Second Wind, Vericure, Mantra, Bloodbath, Shake it Off, ect.
@dinohazard
@dinohazard Жыл бұрын
Damn these Chinese players are good. I'd like to see them on Twitch
@ethosltd.9558
@ethosltd.9558 Жыл бұрын
I think I can say with full confidence now that ultimate is casual content
@SLdesuyo
@SLdesuyo Жыл бұрын
So Great!!
@NeoSpira
@NeoSpira Жыл бұрын
I think this is super cool that you can approach a fight. And those who just say "healing is pointless now" you're not gonna walk into an ultimate or even a savage fight right at the start with no healers. this is only achievable with a lot of factors fall into place.
@terezii
@terezii Жыл бұрын
when all the stars aligned
@JelisW
@JelisW Жыл бұрын
You're not wrong in that not just any rando's gonna be able to do this, but this DOES say something about fight design in FF14. This is pretty much only possible because the nature of damage output in FF14 is extremely scripted, concentrated bursts of high damage that exceed max hp and require pooling of mits to survive, with long gaps inbetween. That is the main thing that allows this, and all the other ultimate solo-healer comps to work. We joke about PLDs being blue healers, but a clemency heals about 15k on average, 25k if it crits. They would not be able to hold up to moderately high, constant, _sustained_ damage. The way things are set up, heal checks become for the most part actually mit checks. The complaints about the bad state of healing is really just a symptom and extension of fight design philosophy
@haydarinna631
@haydarinna631 Жыл бұрын
Coordinated and skilled dps and tanks can replace healers, but the same isn't true for other roles. So yes, please think for a second before you comment and you would realize that those people complaining are right.
@dl88889
@dl88889 Жыл бұрын
@@JelisW Good point.
@maybayV2
@maybayV2 Жыл бұрын
​@@haydarinna631 considering it took this group 3 months to do this , who all have multiple clears already, no. Healers cannot be replaced. Is it do able? Yeah, with enough conviction, but no where reasonable in time or consistency.
@inazumatan7050
@inazumatan7050 Жыл бұрын
It’s not like not bringing Healers makes it easier, these guys just did it to flex.
@shakeweller
@shakeweller Жыл бұрын
Insane
@dylanwright6632
@dylanwright6632 10 ай бұрын
I prefer ff14 in many aspects, but when it comes to healing WoW does it the best.
@stuart0wnz
@stuart0wnz Жыл бұрын
How do you see with this UI out of curiosity, do you just aim at the floor 24/7?
@xYiazmatx
@xYiazmatx Жыл бұрын
Wow players: Wait, you guys can see?
@hereniho
@hereniho Жыл бұрын
Aside from the player markers, it's not bad
@miyu1323
@miyu1323 Жыл бұрын
Absolute chads
@medivh1035
@medivh1035 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@crosssquirrel4293
@crosssquirrel4293 Жыл бұрын
In all seriousness i have seen the comments and such, and many have said a lot but haven't stated the obvious. What if people now instead begin to do new endgame content without healers. I mean they discovered this by trial and error like all the fights and what makes everyone think they cannot do the same with new endgame content? What if people for savage in statics and will now begin to ask for no healing but to know their support role and to time their mits and use their healing cooldowns properly.all for the sake of just maybe skipping mechanics and doing fights faster. And to back up what i am saying everyone is joking about the Zurvan meme. Skip soar or disband. I mean seeing this i think people will bring that meme to live again. Especially since it is the new unreal, what if people apply that with no healers… now with only dps the Skip soar or disband sounds more… That cannot be good or healthy for the game now.
@hereniho
@hereniho Жыл бұрын
Counterpoint: They should remove healers altogether and then balance content around these kinds of playstyles, making it so healing becomes everyone's concern while still keeping up mits, shields, and rotations
@JRZTT
@JRZTT Жыл бұрын
how? I'm curious how can they heal themselves? I know clemency is a thing but I meant when there are raid wide dmg. I don't think clement and second wind is enough for that, right?
@JelisW
@JelisW Жыл бұрын
The truth about damage in FF14 is that most heal checks are actually mit checks: high, concentrated bursts of damage that exceed max hp and will 1-shot you without mits, with extended time in-between to heal up. Note that PLD, in addition to having Clemency, is known as the party mit tank, as they have one extra party mit in passage of arms. Also, the rest of the party is very carefully calculated to either have party mit, or some kind of party regen, or both. So: Double PLD: divine veil (party wide small heal plus shield), passage of arms (block for the pld and 15% party damage mit), intervention/holy sheltron (single-target damage mit plus regen; intervention is the version that can be put on party members), clemency (ST heal), and their magic spells have small heals to themselves WAR: shake it off (party shield, heal, AND regen), nascent flash/bloodwhetting (ST mit, shield, and heal; nascent flash is the version that can be put on others), Equilibrium (heal and regen for the WAR), thrill of battle (increases hp for the WAR, increases recovery via healing actions) DNC: improvisation (party regen and shield), curing waltz (party heal) SMN: summon phoenix (party regen), rekindle (ST Phoenix regen), physick (ST heal; I know, but the logs actually show 27 casts of physick lmao), raise RPR: arcane crest (shield to self that when broken, grants party-wide regen) MNK: mantra (party-wide 10% boost to HP recovery via healing actions), Riddle of Earth (mit and regen for the mnk) RDM: magic barrier (party wide 10% mit plus 5% boost to hp recovery via healing actions), vercure, and raise And of course the basic triple reprisal/feint/double addle/shield samba mit rotation, with second wind on the mnk, rpr, and dnc, and bloodbath on the mnk and rpr
@JRZTT
@JRZTT Жыл бұрын
@@JelisW damn, ty
@dl88889
@dl88889 Жыл бұрын
@@JelisW Thanks for breaking this down.
@crowdemon_archives
@crowdemon_archives Жыл бұрын
​@@JelisW as WAR main, Shake It Off really is ridiculous lol
@Jaxter0987
@Jaxter0987 Жыл бұрын
@@JelisW Just going to add that RPR also has blood bath that you didn't mention at the end.
@TheHiloSix
@TheHiloSix Жыл бұрын
It's up to the dev if this is acceptable for the game or not. (You can solo o5s-o8s since 6.1, and they don't seem to really care), but the sheer amount of effort that these raiders had to put in to figure out and find a way to clear in this comp is honestly very impressive.
@Kenzaii
@Kenzaii Жыл бұрын
Solo... Unsync?
@SRFAA
@SRFAA Жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't it be acceptable?
@TheHiloSix
@TheHiloSix Жыл бұрын
I'm talking about the premise of doing it with 0 healer or anything that's deviant to a regular 2 2 4 comp. it's up to the dev to decide if those kinds of comp are acceptable or not for clearing 8-man raiding-content(mainly ultimate) moving forward.
@Jaxter0987
@Jaxter0987 Жыл бұрын
@@TheHiloSix I'm just going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that when you mention "You can solo 05s-o8s since 6.1" You mean that you can solo heal them at level sync since 6.1 Cause if you mean you can solo them unsync'd, no one cares that you can solo an old fight unsync'd. As for your other point, it'd be very disappointing if the devs looked at this and found it unacceptable.
@hereniho
@hereniho Жыл бұрын
@@Jaxter0987 You could solo heal those even when they were current lmao
@zemperish
@zemperish 8 ай бұрын
DRGbros wheres our defensive
@jhonjhon2
@jhonjhon2 Жыл бұрын
That was awesome, congratulations to you all! I'd also like to remind everyone that during a QA not too long ago, Yoshida said that if we healers think our role is too boring, we were supposed to go do ultimates. Funny how that's working out, huh?
@tiberia0001
@tiberia0001 Жыл бұрын
yeah especially considering that every fucking job they took can support heal in any kind.... might as well take a healer or 2 with you in that cdomp the damage won`t be much different especially with thoes paladis look how they cast.. litterally shield healer at this point...
@xRuiNga
@xRuiNga Жыл бұрын
There’s one easy way to solve this and I’ve said it for a long time. Delete clemency.
@Dustlite
@Dustlite Жыл бұрын
This is just obtuse lol. What a bad take
@Reous
@Reous Жыл бұрын
right, because people more doing this on the regular, extremely bad take.
@MrCarlWax
@MrCarlWax Жыл бұрын
Lmao. So many people coping about the state of healers under this comment
@maybayV2
@maybayV2 Жыл бұрын
Amazing achievement. To the people jumping on healer design: This took one of the best groups in the world whos cleared multiple times 3 months to do. The teamwork, cordination (using spread sheets to figure out a mitigation and healing map) and res immunity cheese was what made this possible. Its the fights design that made this possible, for example, good luck getting through p8s p2 in min ilvl (min ilvl as an example because of how ults are synched.) Yes, healing is boring. Every single job is boring when you do end game content. The content is fun, and you may prefer one job and have fun, but its the same thing over and over. Thats personal taste tbh. And the one guy saying this would be faster with no healers, what you smoking? Wouldnt be faster in prog or reclears. Raiding runs on consistency. And cause i keep seeing it said multiple times, yes, at the moment, in this instance healers were replaceable. Yes, this hasnt been replicated with no dps or no tanks in other current content. But 2 days ago, you didnt even know you could do it without healers, nor did you even consider it. Doesnt mean you cant in other current content. (Shit, you could probably do p7s no tanks, it won't be fun, but if you post a video of it I'll make sure to go and comment how tanks aren't needed, I got you boo.) hEaLeRs ArEnT nEeDeD aNyMoRe
@vaan_
@vaan_ Жыл бұрын
literally no one in this comment section is saying healers aren't needed anymore, only that people are bored with healer and fight design but sure, keep arguing against the people in your head if it makes you feel superior
@maybayV2
@maybayV2 Жыл бұрын
@@vaan_ are you ok dude? All I see is you being toxic ever comment you make. Ik from another reply reading comprehension isn't your thing, but come on.
@moayedalmalki8455
@moayedalmalki8455 Жыл бұрын
Guild wars 2 raiding be like:
@Cestial
@Cestial Жыл бұрын
gg :)
@koai871
@koai871 Жыл бұрын
nice
@mxbear6095
@mxbear6095 7 ай бұрын
What do you mean no healer? I see 2 healer there 😂
@幂恪
@幂恪 Жыл бұрын
泰酷辣!
@teknikoscave
@teknikoscave Жыл бұрын
UI simulator.
@mrchards37
@mrchards37 Жыл бұрын
That this is even possible should tell SE that there isn't enough to heal
@AtypicalWarrior
@AtypicalWarrior Жыл бұрын
10/10
@furbyoats1
@furbyoats1 Жыл бұрын
good god
@sovrack134
@sovrack134 Жыл бұрын
Healers really need to be reworked, either give them something to do or give them interesting dps actions devs, jesus.
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