Mono-Black Might be Better Than You Think in cEDH…

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Mike here, I misplayed big with Orvar, on the turn I cast chain of vapor I should've sacrificed a land, copied it to target Tergrid. Then when you replayed Tergrid and activated Liliana, I couldve used Orvar's third line of text to make a copy of Tergrid and get your permanents instead >:) Was still new to Orvar and missed a fairly obvious line there. Oh well, great games!

[@eyeh0]

I was so excited to see Orvar’s discard effect after you bounced him. Perfect opportunity vs Tergrid. But that Frantic Search discard :( Great games with Orvar though! Such a fun commander to watch

[@Sliver_Boi]

Really glad you didnt do that lol. Sounds like I wouldve gotten blown out super hard.

[@brian742]

You would've missed the first round of discard, but you would've robbed everything else. Tergrid gets destroyed by clone effects.

[@terrancejeffrey6175]

I dont mean to be so off topic but does someone know of a trick to log back into an Instagram account? I was dumb forgot my account password. I would love any tricks you can offer me!

[@nicholastitan2881]

@Terrance Jeffrey instablaster :)

[@DarkEinherjar]

I imagine Tergrid is a nightmare to play over the webcam...

[@Sliver_Boi]

It was so painful to cut out pieces of paper to write all the cards out every time lol.

[@TheTrashhMan]

@@Sliver_Boi I can't recommend infinitokens enough. Just played against a Tergrid over spelltable last night, and they were super helpful for the Tergrid player.

[@dakhma]

I imagine Tergrid is a nightmare to play

[@DavyMcWavy]

I want those dry erase cards for situations like that or tokens in general.

[@DavyMcWavy]

@@TheTrashhMan is that what they’re called?!

[@CorsairJoshua]

Just goes to show what a commander like Tergrid can do if left alone. Great game though!

[@afriendofafriend5766]

how did NO ONE remove her the entire game?

[@Furvus_Mortem]

I'm not surprised at all. I built her as a troll deck just to mess with everyone. By the time they had their commander's out and a semi board state. They had no hands. Then shortly I took what was on their field. To say the least I no longer have friends. Tergrid is worth it though. Tergrid is prescious. >_>

[@Zilborg]

I'm interested to see how Tergrid pops off with less combo-focused decks. She is extremely strong when she gets going and I noticed there weren't a whole ton of removal or control effects happening this game (besides Tergrids side of course)

[@Aldrnari956]

So... Tegrid is a target on sight commander. Not a surprise at all, but actually seeing it in action confirms what so many people said about it when it was spoiled

[@Arcdemon44]

Yeah I really want to build Tegrid but she is going to be a top 5 kill on sight commander for sure.

[@orsettomorbido]

It all depends on how the player created the deck. Plus this is the only of the four games that saw Tergrid as the winner (iirc)

[@Quapper]

God that was disgusting. I hope never to see a Tergrid on the other side of the table, jesus

[@Alan-wp9yn]

eh, it’s in line with the rest of the format all things considered

[@benjamincarter6095]

I could not believe it when Liliana survived the first round she was out. That was brutal.

[@buddatello]

Perks of having a giant 4/5 butt on a commander but yeh that made me hurt

[@connorl0204]

That was an insane showing for tergrid. That probably was among the best showings you could even hope for.

[@buddadragonmtg4848]

This just shows why I love this game so much. I've had desolation for what seems like forever, don't remember how or where I got it. Sat in the bulk box as a dead card forever. Here we are in 2021 and now a mono black legendary creature has made it like a 10 dollar card. Great showing guys.

[@afriendofafriend5766]

Play Oppression

[@maxbodifee3263]

I run it in Gitrog

[@maxbodifee3263]

And it is sitting at ~1€ in Europe. A year later but still

[@AidanWR]

I like how the alt line of the consultation win, which people aren't a fan of, is a poison counter win, which people aren't a fan of

[@pefp2008]

Tergrid + Deathcloud Is a dream play.

[@grnteabug]

I built Tergrid and took it apart yesterday. Tergrid isn't just the kill on sight commander, you become the kill on sight player. In 5 games I played, I got killed by turn 5 on pretty much all of them and Tergrid got countered or removed the turn she came out literally every time.

[@DefinitiveStylez]

You should keep it and add more protection...it's a deck that makes you a big threat at the table, but the deck is capable of controlling the game with ease even if Tergrid isn't on the field

[@TheWandererEternal]

Nice work Adam, it was good to see Tergrid do her thing 💪

[@safersephiroth943]

I love how Dylan is using a fire energy card for his floating red. lol

[@michaelrichards5253]

Great game, just picked up a Tegrid and will be the next build. Thanks for the awesome content. 🍻

[@sebastianfrias42]

At 4:20, he said mana crypt when it was a mana vault. I wanted to be the first comment to point it out but either way, great game!!! Tergrid OP

[@Jeroji133]

That's what i wanted to see, tegrid shenanigans.

[@Sliver_Boi]

I love me some shenanigans

[@TroostDesigned]

Maybe i'm missing something but how does Jan survived to liliana's activation when he only had 3 life and no cards to discard? Great gameplay as always tho. Glad you're back, really missed your content.

[@AffinityForCommander]

A great game as always! I've got to say, these new gods all look very fun to play! 😁

[@lucasmiller5977]

I opened orvar in a booster so im excited to see what he can do!

[@SuperRaids13]

More tergrid gameplay please!

[@natebrewster9708]

Great series. Have subbed to all the other channels. Should definitely do this again!

[@andrealanzoni8894]

Guys, Birgi doesn't lose mana as steps and phases end. Be careful next time ;)

[@fickett7870]

until end of turn she doesnt.

[@MichaelJohnMAGA]

Only the extra mana she generates, but yeah.

[@kevinvaughan6834]

Your Christmas tree is still up...

[@su0tin731]

Did you ever head don't feed the fish? Now you've heard don't feed Tergrid! Just... don't!!

[@matthewcarlyon5133]

I thought that this was a mono-black review going by the title, almost didn't click on it.

[@sallen9966]

That deck dominated!

[@safersephiroth943]

Love those sleeves, Adam. I use them for my derevi deck.

[@zachcollins6968]

Do you have a link? :D

[@carrotflame7859]

Why didn't tergrid trigger after resolving faithless looting?

[@Bcdeano]

Finally! Was waiting for Adam to snag one. Such a cool deck

[@ghost64626]

Great to see Dylan here! Tergrid is insane

[@Deadpool0215]

I love that Dylan uses Pokémon energy

[@jsum33]

Bout time lol I've been waiting for this.

[@MCTimemaster]

yup, cannot wait to add Tergrid to my Meren deck.

[@Jugglerman]

Damn would love to see raw footage of this game sometimen

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

Kill the god of salt. Doesn't matter what else is on the field. Doesn't matter what the other commanders are. You ALWAYS kill the god of salt.

[@therealuziduke5853]

Every channel can't say Jorn's name right, it should sound more like Yorn.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Not surprising... I mean, everyone knows It That Betrays is a "kill on sight" card, and a commander that has that same effect PLUS stealing discarded permanent cards? Either you deal with it or it will spiral out of control. The fact that it's ITB but better and for less than half the mana is ridiculous: even at the FOURTH CAST, it still costs less mana than ITB!

[@thebearnado4256]

This has just made me want to build tegrid more

[@dustyfox6511]

The wincons on these decks other that Tergrid seem pretty narrow / unsupported by the rest of the deck design. Would actually be curious how they would fair against a 6-7 deck table.

[@onnilattu9138]

Man, Tergrid is spicy!

[@gravecrawler1629]

I JUST finished puting together a Grixis discard deck, with Tergrid in it. This video got me so damn pumped to play it!

[@chexmix0101]

Honestly all those commanders kind of op just that people don’t run much removal.

[@Slapthatham]

You can't answer everything and that's part of the problem.

[@jjrosales1996]

Do you think tergrid is a better commander than tinybones?

[@Sliver_Boi]

I think tergrid provides a better threat while you look for the win con, a good one is tinybones. A big menacing creature that really makes people think about their plays because of the implications of what could be sacked or discarded and then stolen.

[@92bagder]

yes, I turned my tiny bones into a tergrid deck and didnt change any cards.

[@Nailgraizer]

Yes, Tergrid is lightyears ahead of Tinybones.

[@jjrosales1996]

@@Sliver_Boi Thank you. Since I haven't been able to play paper magic I was unsure.

[@jjrosales1996]

@@92bagder I look into doing the same thanks. My only worry is that I focused the deck and early discard it would be too late when I finally bring my commander out.

[@ivorymantis1026]

Cards like Thoracle still make me question if WotC actually had a mindset of banning "counter or die" spells. Granted, Thoracle by itself is not the counter-or-die, but there are so, soooooo many ways to make her that.

[@FFassassin71]

Jeez. Tergrid is straight-up broken

[@pedroozzello6006]

what are those nymbre near the names?

[@crovax1375]

I can't wait to start building my own Tergrid deck!

[@orsettomorbido]

A brutal game!

[@FelippiGomes]

Awesome video

[@moreparmesan5261]

Good god!!! Tegrid was a beast!!!

[@Slapthatham]

Oh look Tergrid being as absurd as suspected. It's as if magic players have a decent understanding of what's reasonable and unreasonable.

[@bobby45825]

Only to some extent. Whenever I hear people actually defend bans against cards like Uro or Oko, I just can't help but question if they understand what should qualify as "ban worthy".

[@Slapthatham]

@@bobby45825 past examples help. Take primeval titan or prophet of kruphix. Both were banned in edh because they became the single revolving point of a game as soon as they: were cast, resolved, hit a graveyard, got copied, got countered, got stolen, you get the idea. Tergrid is not doing reasonable things by any means. Plus with 2 modes that win you the game upon resolving A. A sac effect or B. Oops all infinite mana. IN THE COMMAND ZONE is even further justification for ban

[@bobby45825]

@@Slapthatham Power levels have shifted immensely. I can't agree with prime time or sylvan primordial being banned anymore. Blink strategies were a thing many many years ago. The answers to the those strategies are various and maindeck worthy now. Tergrid is really strong but not so much different from It that Betrays. Also, i'm all for creating dual edh formats of EDH and cEDH, specifically known as "Restricted" and "Unrestricted". In Restricted, Infinites can occur but are capped at 15 (x) of whatever the loop is and then just stopped. Combo players have been dominating and causing anguish to both edh players and the design team for a long time now. It needs to stop and infinites is the perfectly fair line to draw the differentiation at.

[@Slapthatham]

@@bobby45825 we're debating 2 different things and that's not constructive. Tergrid is unreasonable as a commander and deserves a ban. We can justify our points in circles forever, we're magic players lol.

[@bobby45825]

@@Slapthatham "Unreasonable" is NOT a valid position most of the time in commander, given any one single card. Tergrid can be killed, exiled, transformed into something useless, stolen, etc. It's not a hexproof, indestructible, 10/10 infect creature with Sire of Insanity's ability stapled on to him. Quit acting like a 5 drop with menace is completely destroying all of your decks by itself. Also, if it is, perhaps include answers to stop cards like Tergrid.

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

"Mono-black might be better than you think in cedh" You mean like... one of the top mono colors? Because we already knew that on account of all the tutors/card draw, removal, big rampy effects for each swamp you control, and now hatebears (see: Opposition Agent).

[@duckhuntdynasty6562]

So tinybones vs tegrid, who would be the better leaning toward the competitive side?

[@firsthalthor]

I’d say tegrid, good value and if you manage to get infinite mana you just win with the artifact side

[@NoBody-ro3xj]

What would someone have to do for you to.play their deck?

[@facelessgames94]

I reckon a Possessed Portal would have been better than that Torment of Hailfire

[@homelessperson5455]

"Georn"

[@Hakaze]

No removal or wipes?

[@johnsmithking]

If I ever build tergrid I’ll have to buy a pack of salt. At least half kg 🤣

[@CeltiesSin]

Man, it’s almost like a 12 mana win condition should NOT cost half of that and be accessible at any moment as your commander... pretty broke

[@xChikyx]

I really love tergrid, but i'm not sure if I can justify having a 6th mono black deck...

[@Olortegui14]

Justice for Jan

[@smack80]

Would Tergrid have been unplayable if it only exiled the cards and let you cast them with any color mana like Gonti? Nope but that wouldn't be FIIIIIIIIIRESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[@Shadorenify]

Yo totally unrelated but you look like the actor that plays Murphy on the 100

[@Dracomandriuthus]

That unfocused screen *really* hurt my eyes

[@ClassicDura]

Please make a Vorinclex deck that isn't infect focused!

[@Erspel]

Man, I love Tergrid so much, too bad she's basically auto banned from most non-cEDH playgroups. Maybe it's time to start actually playing cEDH myself? 🤔

[@Macattack1023]

Why is she auto banned? There’s many other commanders far nastier then her.

[@Erspel]

My best guess is that people don't like when they have to discard/sacrifice their toys and then someone steals them. Also Tergrid usually doesn't win on the spot like other more problematic commanders when their combo is online, so playing against it is just a long slugfest where hardly anyone is having fun

[@huntergrant6520]

Everyone tells me Chainer dementia master can't be cEDH. But I win tournaments with it. I can swap it with k'rrik and it's even worse.

[@noahpetrasko6777]

Joseph looks like he's looking into both my eyeballs at the same time

[@rileys3490]

I hope they don't ban her

[@skitkat6703]

Viejo sabroso 😏

[@mightyone3737]

Oh ffs, I was going to let it pass, but seriously, I'm pretty sure it's a 'y' sound in Jorn's name, like Jan is traditionally pronounced in it's native lands, ironically enough. Same with Firja I'd assume.

[@Cooljoe55]

The bois

[@Closer2Zero]

3:06 I knew it I fucking knew it. I said to myself, when he said he absolutely loved one of the decks in his pod, “I wonder if someone’s going to win with demonic consultation and thassa’s oracle“. I fucking knew it I absolutely fucking knew it I know this channel and I hate those two cards, or at least how often those two cards show up in games y’all post

[@Chonus]

HE KNEW IT!

[@kingginger3335]

Been building the Tergrid deck. Unfortunately I don't have $250 to get an Anvil of Bogarden

[@easchole9410]

Anyone else slightly annoyed with the fact that dylan and Jan's title colors should be switched

[@ravenclawgameing]

It's yorn

[@insane18181818]

Tergrid seems miserable

[@ravenclawgameing]

It is pronounced yorn God of winter

[@facelessgames94]

Orvar deck opening hand. You said mana crypt yet showed a mama vault. Not sure if this means anything to you, but you guys seem to care about the mistakes you make and actually address Look forward to some Tergrid madness

[@karstdeboer4538]

Pretty sure Jorn isnt pronounced djorn, but rather with a soft J i guess, like Yorn

[@iamyourpc]

I get it was a lot to explain but please next time, take your inhale to the side and not into the microphone. Otherwise great content as per usual from you guys.

[@andykester]

tergrid is busted lol

[@jeffnorris211]

My playgroup has already shied away from tergrid. It’s too strong and too easy to win in our opinions. Even in the 99 if it lands, you usually are gonna win.

[@davethetalentlessguru759]

This is nothing more than an EDH version of the "Player Haters Ball". Lol For you Dave Chappelle fans out there, you'll get the reference. 😉

[@grantbosworth6418]

This...does not make me excited

[@grunermrk]

Pretty pointless to watch a gameplay when I know who wins.

[@Ubermunki3]

Literally the first recording of tergrid getting to play. Get over it

[@DaveMassee]

I love your content but please edit out your gasping breaths.

[@Ratchet2546]

Bro love the content but get some beard care going, or shave it off. No disrespect.

[@MongooseTrianglez]

Or he can look however he wants to look...

[@salvadorsilva7253]

This is nothing but disrespectful? Bro watch the card game