Urza vs Jorn vs Koll vs Kozilek

[@puntellipuna1061]

Okay let me just say the on screen progress bar is an appreciated piece of editing in edition to all the other slick pieces of editing amazing job

[@zimmermann9313]

Make another game with the Kozilek deck please!! I really want to see the deck playing :(

[@apophis456]

I feel like every time kozilek features on this channel it gets staxed out

[@jarrybryant718]

I agree

[@Maxcraft-tc8cz]

Kozilek player here. Can confirm: we never get to play our decks:(

[@houstonmontgomery807]

"Hey guys do you want to play a game of magic?" Everyone: Yeah sounds fun! Jordan turn 3: ok that's enough fun

[@AlexOvTheAbyss]

Honestly, found this to be more interesting that the "who can tutor up thassa's oracle and demonic consultation first" style of games

[@apophis456]

Those games aren’t even worth watching anymore tbh. As soon as I see more than 1 deck in dimir I just skip it

[@bigdon9999]

If you say so. The kozilek deck essentially played lands and died. I guess that’s interesting

[@AlexOvTheAbyss]

@@bigdon9999 What I mean is interesting in something different to see. Doesn't have to be a good or exciting game, just different. Seeing how stax pieces impact different decks. Seeing every game be "who can tutor a combo first", isn't interesting, entertaining, or exciting. It's basically just seeing who was lucky enough to get it first. I could just watch four people roll dice to see who gets the highest total, and it is about the same level of bland. This is all my opinion, though. If you enjoy watching combo-based games, power to you (or anyone else).

[@bigdon9999]

@@AlexOvTheAbyss more not enjoying stax,stax,stax. At least most combo decks leave open room for interaction

[@AlexOvTheAbyss]

@@bigdon9999 Yeah, if every game ends up just being a stax-fest, it will be just as bland. Frankly, this is the first video I've watched from this channel in a while, since all the combos videos got so boring, so I possibly could be wrong and this is their 872 stax video in a row 🤷‍♂️

[@VRanger100]

I thought Nate misplayed at the end by not using the Tormond's Crypt to stop the reanimation loop, but then I reread all of Grand Abolisher's text and was like "Oh I guess reading the card explains the card."

[@sjrnr]

I don't see problem watching games with heavy stax. The interactions were very high and fun to watch! I hope to see more games like this in the place of Demonic/Thassa

[@ariantashakori2191]

Kozilek player had many interactions

[@nathanenoughalready3518]

I watched this video specifically for the Kozilek deck 😕

[@Sleepy12ftPanda]

3 stax decks... and all of them lose to Boros. I find it thematically appropriate that the decks running winter orb thawed to the color pair that's most associated with the dawn.

[@TheCommanderDojo]

Poetic af

[@Bammab127]

Honestly, I prefer a long stax game over a thassa's oracle win

[@MahBoi100]

"Oh sweet! A game with Kozilek!" *sees Collector Ouphe in Jordan's opening hand* "Oof" *Adam playing mana rocks before Jordan plays the Ouphe on his turn* "OOF"

[@junglingmitapfel2902]

"Ouphe"

[@DarkEinherjar]

I love this name, Collector Ouphe... not only because it's funny, but also because entire tables say "OOF!" when it comes down.

[@Sliver_Boi]

I'm pretty sure at least one of us yells OOOF! every time one hits the field. You can't play ouphe without an oof

[@TheCulturedMan34]

You can hear the anguish and misery when it comes down

[@ShinkuDragon]

He certainly collects OOF's when he comes in

[@Dmaulinator]

I swear there’s two good replays of Kozilek on all of KZbin. Every video i watch is just my colorless boys going ham turn 1 then not playing for 15 minuted

[@lomaxx9060]

For a Jorn deck, there are a lot of non-snow lands in the deck... Command Tower, Morphic Pool (just to name 2)...

[@BladeReijy69]

I don't know who needs this, but I've made an oof scale for MTG: When 1 person is affected, oof. When 2+ are affected, big oof. When the whole community is affected, Collector Ouphe

[@KingMasteron1]

I love your guys twist on tuning what might not be a meta-cedh deck and giving it as much power as possible, it's super satisfying to see different decks and I love alternate builds

[@creew509]

I like watching stax games every now and then so I get to experience and not play against it.

[@wbw911]

stax : I sleep Boros winning counter war : REAL SHIT!!!

[@classicsidepart1477]

Nice game! Great to see Koll go off!!!!! It's a superb display of WHY stax can be brutal and absolutely balance out degenerate starts like Crypt into X into Y! You need to be prepared for this in cEDH..... It's a neat way to tackle speed

[@j0k335]

Tfw i was so hyped for the Kozilek deck... goddammit Jordan!

[@peteryankowsky]

cEDH is always better with 1 stax player at the table. Otherwise its just 4 people playing "Go Fish" with their win-cons and counterspells. Great Content Guys! :)

[@White6Rock6Shooter6]

I almost have to wonder how many lands are in Adam's deck. Lots of rocks, but after like two land drops he just didn't have any more. Also stax intensifies. I laughed myself silly when the second Winter Orb hit the table. "All right, it's gonna be one of THESE." Harder when Static Orb resolved.

[@cyron-witcher3162]

The stack at the end was super sick

[@josephhunter9531]

Drinking Game: Take a shot when Joseph says "With nothing left" or "Orb"

[@ralphynunez1347]

that tibalts trickery came clutch

[@angellopez6475]

I was excited to see a Kozilek deck...

[@jaclitt]

same bro..... same :(

[@Sliver_Boi]

I tried so hard, didn't get too far, in the end I got staaaaaxed

[@angellopez6475]

@@Sliver_Boi I feel you bro :'(

[@chaotica-game985]

The wincon was sweet. The set up to get there was awesome even if kozilek just got to sit there and stare at a mountain of useless artifacts. I really like the boros counter magic and the deflecting swat into twinflame play was a ton of fun.

[@AdamTheSavage08]

I am genuinely surprised Adam is still friends with you after that game lol

[@Sliver_Boi]

It was payback for how I normally play our games lol

[@su0tin731]

@@Sliver_Boi I'm glad you take it that well, I'd be pretty pissed to be killed that way when I'm doing absolutely nothing xD.

[@DarkEinherjar]

In cEDH, players sign up to not be salty about any plays or strategies. They're playing to win after all.

[@frycook6396]

@@su0tin731 cEDH is about optimal plays. If ouphe died for any reason, adam would have run away fast. And since jorn wants to attack, if one player has no blockers, makes sense to swing at them.

[@su0tin731]

​@@frycook6396 Attacking the player that can do nothing about anything seems pretty suboptimal to me, considering you could be protecting your PWs or offering trades. Also, since almost every game finishes with a combo, I don't think beating someone down in 10 turns is anywhere near optimal.

[@charlesmaillho367]

A 2 person commander game is really fun when two of the players can't even get around their own stax cards.

[@shawnamell3069]

IMO this was a great game. I’ve learned to embrace my love of stax

[@alleertmen3]

I literally Fell asleep while watching the Stax😂😂

[@Spirited_skiing]

This game was incredible

[@apophis456]

You spelled “miserable” wrong

[@Giga-lemesh]

""always one card with the word orb on the table" that made me chuckle

[@adammitchell8]

That was an awesome game to watch. Stax is part of cEDH. It’s great to watch decks try to squeeze through it and get a victory. Some CC, if it’s you playing. Just say instead of third person. We know it’s you and it’s fine to talk like that. Lol

[@gypsieking3280]

Great game!

[@marcelozapata93]

Fantastic!

[@ColorfulHelices]

Mouse at the top at 5:56 "Oh shhot oh jeez are you guys recording?? I'll let myself out."

[@DarkEinherjar]

Three decks playing lockdown... yes, such bad times that you should play Megalovania as the background music for this episode.

[@TheWhiteWizardPL]

How to win with Koll? Do nothing whole game and cumulate 7 cards with combo and interaction. Wait 13 turn to let them kill each other. Win.

[@xChikyx]

That pool needs my maralen stax and my derevi stax decks xD

[@rowrow_]

I was interested in kozilek. Then remembered ouophe and stony silence exist, so no fun allowed for the person already forced into a higher mana value average deck with no cheap removal :(

[@michaellattimore3450]

I'm just happy to see Boros win!!

[@CalamitousCactus]

Poor Adam got invited to watch himself get beat up

[@kstandish42]

Other people:Boooo more boros!? Me playing three boros decks full time: yayyyyyyyyy

[@rexone9564]

This game was awesome! Someone needs to play Sisay. She would be real good in your meta

[@bryankoenig7954]

It’s awesome 👏

[@wilfulbuckle13]

I love grindy stax games.

[@Nailgraizer]

The best part about stax games? They end. Just way the game flows sometimes!

[@True_Ronin]

Love Stax. Stax is cEDH!

[@VincentAlucard]

Does anyone know where to get Adam's Sliver playmat? It's super sweet.

[@a_sponge605]

Inked gameing

[@ring1313]

Seeing Koll wins makes me happy since he just got on the deck database

[@caterinagerbasi1594]

fuck yeah my boys are back

[@koanos2448]

17:05 Can't Force of Negation be cast to counter Silence or Pyroblast?

[@wackywong]

No mana.

[@koanos2448]

@@wackywong But, 3 untapped Artifacts.

[@wackywong]

@@koanos2448 Sure, but then you would have no mana to cast any spells. Might as well not bother and let the Silence resolve.

[@koanos2448]

@@wackywong Ah, so Joseph was poised to win no matter what.

[@Bcdeano]

Jeez. Just beating up on Adam. Brutal game

[@xgxwills2857]

Who will win, the guy who gets like 7 mana turn 1 or a tiny little 2/2 Ouphe?

[@Sliver_Boi]

This game reminded me why I only play green

[@gdiridium5525]

this is a great example of why stax without a solid win condition is quite bad, as it usually gets you hated out of the game quite quickly

[@drewhoffmaster2969]

The Jorn deck does have a solid wincon, Thoracle + Consult. The oracle was going to be found by Fiend Artisan, the question is was he able to locate the Consult. Rather, this shows that the best way to deal with stax decks is through combat.

[@roercula8425]

Sadly even straight forward wincons with stax gets you hated out.

[@kirdiekirdie]

I think shocklands are bad for Jorn. I just play duals, fetches, the kaldheim tapped snow duals and lots of snow covered basics and you get much more mana from untapping your lands than if you play too many non snow lands. I think boreal druid wasn't untapped once but that may be a shortcut to play the sol ring. Future sight wasn't revealing the library a few times but I'm not sure how that is handled in between actions like rearranging the library or so.

[@WiiTara]

I just saw the static orb come down and I had to quickly check how low this video will be, because as of the game state right now, I would guess approx at least 1 h

[@daseinoseven4514]

More like Snoozilek. That was rough.

[@daredewley9231]

I personally love a grinded out Stax game

[@Martin-gq1lt]

That sliver playmat, where is that from?

[@BigMikePlays]

Nice

[@scottcisek2376]

Pretty sure if I was Adam I would’ve scooped awhile ago lol

[@Meimes13]

The sheer number of stax in this game gives me anxiety

[@will.y.5281]

I like stax games every now and then but locking down a game turn 2 is just brutal

[@eichiboy95]

Adam is way more patient than me. I would have scooped way earlier. Sooooo much fun to not play commander. Hate cards that prevent you from actually playing the game.

[@DylanBU41]

Yea, my table has a good amount of high level play, but not Cedh. I am never afraid to scoop early for the reason of getting to the next game quicker. Stax is tough because I don't want to say to someone not to touch x% of cards because I don't like them - for me, as long as the game ends in a few turns after a lock is set, it's bearable, because people's turns should be quick because of the locks anyways.

[@eichiboy95]

@@DylanBU41 idk, they have bans for a reason and a lot of tables have personal bands. Just depends on the level at which you want to play. I prefer relaxed have fun doing random stuff commander. Like I only make tribal decks pretty much because that is what I like and they never are top tier lol

[@DylanBU41]

@@eichiboy95 100% and I most definitely am biased because of what my 3 friends like to play. I was the one making mostly tribal/combat decks, to be hit with constant interaction and realized I had to change something because my friends are not battlecruisery. You're right though, it all comes down to table!

[@silentslade]

Important Question: Did Adam have fun?

[@jeremyhood5206]

Build you a Liesa deck you will have fun making everyone pay! She's the ultimate gold digger!!! I brewed up one that runs pretty competitive in cEDH!😂

[@craigfernandez4433]

How did Nate pay for pact? One of his lands is an artifact that he tapped with... which collector ouphe says no to

[@Vulpir]

Could have just tapped it to Urza's ability, which works just fine through ouphe.

[@craigfernandez4433]

Ah, forgot about that

[@DarkEinherjar]

Adam's experience is why I absolutely hate Stax: I hate not existing in the game.

[@smack80]

play more removal and creatures.

[@austenplant3144]

Yeah people like to run big spells and no removal... your fault, not mine

[@smack80]

@@austenplant3144 cEDH players trim lands to 29 with a commander that costs 10 and complain when they get attacked 5 times by a 3/3

[@Sliver_Boi]

I thought it would be spicy playing colorless. All I learned was pain. Time to back to playing green and stax, where I belong lol

[@austenplant3144]

@@Sliver_Boi serves you right for breaking out of your comfort zone! 😂... totally kidding

[@Ulubai]

Someone playing red needs to get that vandalblast off the top.

[@jswksw130130]

How to play against staxs Player removal

[@MindMuscleMagic]

This is a KZbin comment!

[@MtendoTheSkunk]

Sorry but if you're killing me I'd be using my Strip Mine on that person's land. Especially since it's the person who had the one piece of Stax that completely shut you out of the game!

[@loganator326]

I'm going to be honest, you might want to cut the stax decks a bit. It's getting stale for me at this point. It could just be a me thing but I just feel like I'm seeing the same thing anymore at this point

[@EisenherzMTG]

I feel offended by the Urza list 😄

[@Nate-dc4ri]

Yeah, the list included in the video description is very, VERY out of date. Working on getting an updated list for the next time Urza is featured on the channel.

[@judsonbates1359]

Would love to see the decks play each other but watching Stax games are a turn off. Would consider becoming a patron if I could vote on decks. Excellent production.

[@evanlachance6546]

I thought you banned stax

[@Radianxe]

No spot removal for the collector from anyone? No wonder the all play stax....

[@filippodardi2180]

Hi there, hello. Please, could you give one ot these to my man Adam? 🤗🤗🤗 He needs it, after enduring all of this

[@josephandrees5381]

Adam: "Man I can't wait to play kozilek today" Jordan: I'm about to end this man's whole career

[@WhyDoIHaveToHaveAHandle_s]

Came here because I was only interested in Kozilek.... Sad boi right here

[@xChikyx]

I feel bad for adam

[@unimaginative_artist]

The webgames are wearing on me tbh its not just you guys i mean all around, i think its maybe just the climate hahahahh

[@usernameunidentified175]

Why not just livestream it in each other's houses?

[@zoopdoop_games]

Lol poor Adam

[@MWBowen403]

Don't see equip combos much. Or I haven't at least.

[@justinadams9263]

Poor Adam

[@noahpetrasko6777]

I don't get why Adam died first. Man didn't get to play the game

Static and winter orb should be bannn this games take ages to do something (not to win) TO DO SOMETHING !! XD

[@elipetrou9308]

Poor adam

[@zevirex14]

:)

[@gangrel1234]

Cyc rift is the worst, even when countered

[@cristianprado8559]

aaah Kozilek, the deck that dies to 1 card effect... this channel's becoming more and more casual and less and less competitive with every video they release

[@travisdouglas4970]

The stacks makes this hard to watch

[@ApollosRage991]

Y’all got problems if think this game was “fun”

[@gregnanni4409]

Oof miserable game to watch. Should have just been 1v1.

[@kgforlife]

You know 100% I never hate anyone but Jordan I hate him lol that's all

[@christopherfrawley2560]

I'm sorry guys. I cant watch this stacks lockout game. It's just 2 slow.

[@BraxtonMeyer]

Stax bad.

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[@timtauber5557]

The playmats being used were too distracting and made it difficult to see the cards in play