Cat 2 Joins the Pro Field - What's the Actual Difference?

[@jbgood71]

That voice is so soothing. He probably teaches a yoga class or 2 when not training on the bike.

[@MattQ1987]

Ok... That's honestly not what I expected Donny to sound like 😂

[@jackerikson5566]

Like trans?

[@massiada000]

@@jackerikson5566idk man says like a human being but maybe go get dropped by a ‘trans’

[@sjoerdvisser76]

Indeed. Quite a surprise to hear a person with a cool as hell name, that rides a bike like a beast, to sound so soft-voiced, friendly and gentle.

[@terrellpickett7904]

These comments are KILLING me😂. He really sounds like Mike Jack. I want to hear him say “You’re ignorant…that’s ignorant.” Hell of a bike racer, Donny. Great to watch.

[@DraxMoranis]

“That’s ignorant”! That’s racist!

[@DraxMoranis]

You ignorant! Thats racist!

[@shepshape2585]

Love seeing those Winspace frames in the pro races. Proof that you don't need to mortgage your house to have a race worthy bike. Also, if you talked to Donny before a race, you'd probably think "what is this tiny little soft spoken man doing in this pro race?", right before he drops you. Absolute beast out there Donny, surely braver than I am racing with those guys.

[@tedhorwitz430]

A Winspace won the first (Pro race) day of Armed Forces in 2019 and been on the podium at Athens.

[@DraxMoranis]

WTF! This is pro?! 😅😅😅

[@toddamelton]

I really appreciate having Donny on the channel. As much as this video is about the differences between cat2 and P/1, he provides some perspective on the differences between cat2 and cat3 which as a lower level racer I find incredibly helpful. Please bring Donny on again.

[@PatrickLino]

My club who is responsible for organizing/funding the final stage of Intelligentsia (Goose Island)...let's just say there are some exciting changes happening for this stage as a whole come this summer!

[@DDai-qd8uk]

When are you racing big boy?

[@PatrickLino]

@@DDai-qd8uk Only racing I do is race baiting!

[@Woodsford123]

It's always amazing to see the power numbers you guys put out! Awesome!

[@DISCOhooch]

4:46 omfg what a cable housings hahaha

[@Calebyte]

Donny Ice is my hero

[@dfbdf3324]

Donny Ice is such a badass name

[@DraxMoranis]

👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨😅🤡

[@walshman70]

Very cool to highlight the average speed data and what it means to the average rider. Small increases across the categories equal major differences in the level of competition. Thanks!

[@DraxMoranis]

Dude in black looks like a geeky Ryan gosling. Even sounds like one too. Only a dude like NorCal would have a bff like this 👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

[@jawnwells]

Donny Ice was brining the heat all week in Chicago!! 🧊🔥

[@supergumbie7]

that pink+white Winspace bike 🔥

[@JBmadera]

great video, as always. your copilot did a wonderful job.

[@Michael_Clark]

I no joke just watched a video ragging on better help... and sure enough - there it is :D

[@josephlazatin8199]

Bro sounds like Michael jackson

[@TheBrickProdigy]

DIEGO YOU MADE THE THUMBNAIL

[@TheCyclissimo]

MOMMA I MADE THE VIDEO!!

[@PatrickLino]

can we be friends???

[@CycoWarriorx]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@zenofelt]

LMAO, Saw ya' and thought the same thing.

[@AUGS0ME]

Duuude, I’m even more bummed I crashed out on day 8 now 😂

[@DraxMoranis]

Damn! How much do you curl, trex?

[@Zen.416]

Great video Jeff and Donny!! Donny you should be on more often, best of luck on a successful season!!!

[@balletdude]

Surprised Donny isn’t still slaying it on down tube shifters and vintage steel in races ;)

[@hubbanonumbers]

DONNNY ICE THE ICICLE MAN HIMSELF!!! MY HERO ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@arch417powersports]

I don't understand how these guys do two races in one day.

[@iwantum]

some of them are juiced up

[@Josepowerzoro]

@@iwantumdam .. but don’t you get tested before going into them ?

[@terryjenner2156]

the last comment from Jeff was the best. All these dudes who were not fighting with you for the first 60 minutes of this race are now coming around you unfortunately. the essence of knowing when to go hard.

[@christernyqvist3116]

When it comes to power, the dependence on velocity is cubed.

[@NorCalCycling]

i realized this mistake after the fact, thanks for the correction i want these to be as accurate as possible and it low key drives me nuts when I get those details wrong.

[@honestreviewer3283]

Back in the 90s I was a Cat. 2 on the verge of being a Cat. 1 and would be in those races that were Pro/1/2. And that's when I quit racing, because the jump from Cat.2 to Cat. 1 or Pro is like dog years, and I knew I wasn't good enough, and wasn't prepared to make the sacrifices to even try.

[@thhorwitz1]

It's much easier today to get your cat 1. There's a large number of cat 2\3 races now and (I think) you no longer have to get all your points within the same year. I think it's going to get harder again with future rule changes on upgrading. But the last few years USAC made upgrading so easy in all categories that it created a dangerous situation. If you had stuck with it, you probably could've gotten used to it and don't well. When you're no longer racing for upgrade points, you race differently, better.

[@beerpoweredcyclist]

Be happy you didn't have to race Superweek in the 1990's. Crits were a 100k at that speed.

[@alexgold1981]

🎵Lisa it's your birthday, happy birthday Lisa 🎶

[@mooxima]

Wow, that’s intense racing

[@waynedouglasvideos]

I am thinkin Shorter ( less wide) bars for you . Look at Frame ( shadows at 18:34...) You are capturing a lot of wind. Just an observation. Love your Videos

[@DuoTheGodOfDeath]

Still blows my mind seeings 50KPH+ all nonchalant when my max is like 35 for maybe 30 minutes on a flat road.

[@TheTmoney925]

protect Donnie at all costs

[@DoctorWho_1979]

Jeff, when are the NorCal Cycling jerseys going to hit the market... ;)

[@siez8152]

Didn't expect Donny's voice to be like that..😂😂

[@biju358]

bro got michael jackson doing commentary 😂

[@josephclarke7133]

Power is actually proportional to the cube of velocity. Force is proportional to the square of velocity. Power = force x velocity so P = kv^3

[@thomaslee3452]

0:11 bro Rylan Gosling?

[@Jponabike]

Donny ice is my dad

[@schsch2390]

Power to over come air resistance increases with cube of the speed..

[@nachooos2506]

Maybe thats why he's called Donny ICE

[@klaunsonofthemorning]

power was higher in the cat 2 race...i mean - the 2 mph are significant, but the "over 80 watt difference" statement is a tad misleading (great video, don't want to bitch too much. love the channel, basically learned racing from you!)

[@nullvoid4226]

How can it be misleading, it is the average power required to complete the effort...

[@teddansonLA]

I don't agree it's misleading. In the cat 2 race, 246 W (285 W NP) gets him to compete well against the field, spending his time at the front of the race, making and covering breaks and finishing near the winners. In the pro race, 238 W (283 W NP) means he gets dropped with 4 laps to go, having never been near the front, never being close to a break or covering one and generally just hoping to make it to the end. If he'd averaged 80 W more than the cat 2 race performance, then maybe he could have done something near the front of the pro race. So that seems about right - he'd need a circa 320 W average, and a 360 W NP for an hour or more, which is more like a pro than a cat 2.

[@robertskochinstitut6653]

@@genegade It is all about positioning, cornering and being smart about moving up. I can ride the same race at 320/370NP and get dropped or do 260/280NP and be there competing for the win. The faster the course, the easier the races become. I have yet to see a technical crit featured here, the roads and corners are often super wide.

[@nguyenxuanthudong486]

Max speed of the winner is about 64-65kmh

[@benmcnary5571]

Anyone have a link to the website he used to look at power vs speed

[@Timtimzi]

oh shoot it's donny

[@TwoWheelRover]

I am such a mechanic wiener for this.... Who ever built Donny's bike needs to shorten the brake/gear housing 😢 @4:47

[@basedgodstrugglin]

Jimmy from Ed Edd n Eddy

[@haydenm.3912]

Diego, call your mom, you're famous...

[@1timdog1066]

Why do I feel like kicking my right leg up and grabbing my crouch listening to this commentary! 😂

[@glennlbs9931]

MORE DONALD VIDEOS!!!!!!!

[@seajay3474]

"Hello everyone this is your daily dose of internet"

[@sckego]

🧊

[@simedinson984]

I would avoid better help they sell your data. very scummy behavior parading as a therapy service

[@mbastos1000]

BS…😂😂😂

[@jackerikson5566]

'Pro'

[@wolf.himmler]

Brief annotation: while drag force is squared, with speed, to get from force to power, you actually have to apply that force along a certain direction giving you the work done over that distance. Divide that by the time it takes you, gives you the avg power you need to put out. So to maintain that speed against aerodynamic drag, you actually don't have to put in the speed squared, but to the power of three. I.e. 10% more speed gives you 1.1^3=1.33x the power you need for the original speed. In other words: 80W more from 243W is pretty accurate 🫡