Catalina 22 -- Scuppers Repair Part B--Jim's Little Boat

[@rogerc4196]

Video's about Catalina 22s are a lot like the boats themselves -- there's a lot of them out there! Yours are by far the best, though.

[@johnschroeder3701]

Really appreciate your attention to detail. Saving this as a reference.

[@jimbailey5655]

VERY INFORMATIVE .. I needed this ! THANKS JIM !!!

[@Flynghi]

Great job Jim. Especially the cleaned up bilge. Makes a big difference. If i ever have issues with my new refitted scupper drains ill more than likely replicate this project. Btw when i refit my scupper drains i added a single drain in the back of the cockpit in the middle. Ran a hose to the port drain tube and added a T connector there. So far so good.

[@davidwalworth9048]

Excellent video and I have always wanted to improve that drain connection, the plumbing never “looked” right to me Thanks

[@mathewdavis-adventuresandd6643]

Very nice and several little gems of knowledge in there.

[@matthewsilva8225]

Nice work! Looks great. Awesome videos as always.

[@veleiroema]

congratulations sir, perfection without exaggeration!

[@carrollrobertg]

very helpful and enjoyable, thanks

[@markashlock9017]

I’ve sorta been binge watching you vids on the Cat 22. They are super informative and enjoyable to watch. I think I see one in my future : ) So being that the Cat 22 has a cored hull, do you have any tips and tricks to make sure your getting a boat that is structurally sound, especially considering it’s probably going to be over 40 years old. Thanks for you great vids and thank you in advance for any clues you can give me to help me have a better chance of purchasing a fairly sound boat.

[@jimslittleboat4388]

Wow, Mark. That is a lot questions. I should probably make a few videos. It might be more appropriate if we communicate by email--use [e-mail]. Firmly fix in your mind that you do not want to buy most of the boats that are for sale. I looked at four before I bought mine. It wasn't the prettiest of the four, but it was the most sound. But let's start with the things that cause the most money and grief. Start on the deck use a medium weight ball peen hammer or a metal weight--maybe a ratchet wrench. Tap around every fitting that sticks through the deck in one-inch intervals. In the open field tap every 4 - 6 inches. If there is a soft spot, you will hear it. Then do all that in the floor of the cockpit. One small soft spot doesn't necessarily disqualify a boat, but for sure it lowers the selling price. If the owner won't let you do that, thank the seller and move on. If you want to more ideas we can communicate by email. If you are pretty sure you want to buy a Catalina, you can save a lot of grief by joining the association and downloading the tech manual. jim

[@markashlock9017]

@@jimslittleboat4388 : Dang Jim, what a warm and heartfelt response. When I get my act together a little better, I will definitely be emailing you. Either I stink at searching for Cat 22’s, or this Covid mess has done the same thing to them as it has to RV’s....making them scarce. I’ve only found 3 or 4 vintage 22’s in the state of Texas and that includes searches in Dallas, Houston, Galveston, and Corpus Cristi. I’ve just got to be doing something wrong. Maybe I should just offer you 6 grand for yours. According to one of your vids, that 2 grand more than you think you would get for it if you tried to sell it, lol. Thanks again for responding, and I hope to be talking to you moore when I have a little more to work with.

[@natfunk71]

I have to do the same thing before next season.

[@timburnett6729]

Great job

[@gregmenoche8934]

Grea video, off topic but could not find where to ask a question. I think I have water leak through the rub rail. Do you have a series on replacing yours?

[@jimslittleboat4388]

I have not done it on the C22, but I did it on a Tanzer 16. It was a deck glued and screwed to the hull. I removed every screw one at a time and replaced with one size bigger and 1/4 inch longer. While the screw was out, I worked in 4200 at the screw site and both sides until the whole deck was resealed. Seemed to work, but I stored the boat under a cover in the summer and in a shop in the winter so it never really got tested. (ps huge number of screws)

[@gregmenoche8934]

@@jimslittleboat4388 thanks

[@bentarrant1669]

Great video Jim. Is there any reason you left some curve in the drain tubing? I've pictured doing this project in my mind and figured I'd try to keep the drain tubing as vertical as possible. Thanks

[@brianfedie8046]

Really like the content, especially since I recently bought an 84 Cat 22. I was wondering why you didn't drain the scuppers out the side or the back instead. Why not cut the volcano down? Thanks!

[@jimslittleboat4388]

Brian, I did consider taking the forward scuppers out the back of the transom. As I pointed out in the video there is enough room, BUT that meant a right angle turn where the water comes out of the cockpit. That is an ideal place for fir needles to collect and it is difficult to remove them. I do have through the transom scuppers at the back of the cockpit. But you have to collect about 17 gallons of water before they start working. Why did I not cut off the scupper volcano? Too lazy.

[@brianfedie8046]

@@jimslittleboat4388 Thanks, I somehow missed part A and watched part B. Part A told me why not to go out the back. 😲Thanks. I just got my 84 last weekend and I've gotta get everything out to see what works and what doesn't. Thanks for the help!!!

[@benkanobe7500]

Jim. Dumb question here: Why do Sailboats not have a stern bilge drain like almost all power boats do? Seems like it would make cleaning the bilge so much easier. Just raise the bow, pressure wash from bow to stern and let all the Gunky drain out the stern.

[@jimslittleboat4388]

If you look at the shape of a sailboat, you it curves up quite a bit from midships to the transom. Power boats have a relatively flat run all the way from the bottom of the stem to the transom. You would need to get the bow way up in the air to make the bottom of the transom the lowest point.

[@sailboatbob3969]

You did a great job I"m looking for a Catalina nice to know what might need to be done. QUESTION why don't you just put a hole or two in the stern floor height with a flapper valve? you'd never have to worry about a hose leaking values you can't open seems much easier,

[@jimslittleboat4388]

Hi Bob: If you put scuppers at the bottom of the cockpit (through the transom), you don't really need check valves. That is a great addition, but the cockpit will hold approximately 15 gallons before the water starts to flow out those scuppers. Some folks run the forward scuppers under the cockpit floor all the way back to the transom. There is enough room between the floor and the bottom to do that. I did not choose to do that because there would still be a right turn that tends to clog and I didn't want to wiggle my chubby self into that space and I did not to trust a check valve I couldn't get to. Fir needles sometimes clog up the check valve. That was my logic. jim

[@douglaswallace7765]

Hi Jim love your videos . I've just purchased a jaguar 22 which I believe Is the same hull as c22 like yours . Any way I can figure out what year mi e is as previous owner has no idea

[@jimslittleboat4388]

There has been some discussion about that. It seems that the Brit/Euro manufacturers didn't use the same serial number system as the US. Do you know the serial number? If it has a flat sided oval shaped mast, it was probably made after 1977. I think that is the same year they changed from 3/16 standing rigging to 1/8. Other clues are the size of the pintles 3/8 is earlier 1/2 is later. The size of the chainplates is another clue. There are some very knowledgeable people on the Catalina 22 owners facebook page. You might learn more if you gathered up all those details and posted there. Good luck. I think you will really enjoy your boat.

[@DD-gd3fr]

great job Jim well expained with good tips. So kow does it work now?

[@jimslittleboat4388]

Fingers crossed. So far it works great. I forgot to open the valves the first week, it rained hard, water filled up in the cockpit and came out through the top clamps because they weren't tight enough. Bailed 2 inches of water out the bilge--which cleaned up nicely. It has rained several times since and all is well--so far.

[@matthewsilva8225]

Hey Jim. How did you carve out the ply wood battery holder? I assume it’s glued directly to the fiberglass. Should I carve mine out or just paint it? Also what paint exactly did you use for this job?

[@jimslittleboat4388]

The old -- first--battery holder was a plywood box glued to the bottom of the boat. The sides were so rotten I just pulled them off and sanded down to the wood on the bottom that was good. I covered that with fiberglass filler and one layer of cloth. Then I made a new box out of plywood and screwed it to the old board. SO for this project I just unscrewed the battery box and took it out. I did not need it because I had already moved the battery up to the locker under the V-berth. There is an article in Main Brace about that project. I probably should make a video about that, but I only took still shots at the time.

[@matthewsilva8225]

@@jimslittleboat4388 I'd watch a video with you narrating the few photos you have.... Thanks again Jim.

[@bobat2]

Please wrap the teflon tape in the other direction, so it doesn't bunch up when tightening the fitting, but other wise a great job - labor of love.

[@jimslittleboat4388]

Yeah. Another viewer mentioned that too and pointed out that I was lucky it didn't bunch up. I should have wrapped it the other way, but I only used a couple of wraps and I did carefully burnish it down so I kind of earned some of that luck. :)

[@jampasritalon4180]

Teflon tape needs to go on in the same direction that the fitting is turned for tightening. Otherwise it can bunch up and unwind as the fitting is rotated on. If you are lucky it may not, but plumbers do it this way so they don't ever have to do it over. You were lucky.

[@jimslittleboat4388]

You're right. It should have gone on the other way. But I think that since I was so careful to burnish it down and paid attention as I installed the fitting, it worked. If if had bunched, I would have fixed it. So maybe I earned a little bit of that luck. :) jim