Do you have to cut the low end?

[@martzooo]

"broducers" HAHAHahahah

[@Catandbeats]

Exactly haha

[@yoshiromare3207]

I just finished watching your course on Production Music Live. I really just wanted to thank you, I really enjoyed the course, learned so many new things and I'm really seeing improvement on my mixes. Grateful honestly, great course. Bless!

[@vjrei]

I have a friend who was assistant engineer when Depeche Mode was mastering Personal Jesus and the entire album. That song sounds massive and he told me: Do not add any reverb and cut every sound with a gate, let the room do its work. The bass line are 3 different synths, one in the middle and two different sounds panned, there is no reverb. The low end is one sound and the signature of the sound in the midrange is another synth. The same thing with the kick. The mid range of the kick has its own gate reverb which is very obvious. But that way teh sounds are not fighting for presence and harmonics are not running wild. THEN you add a subtle reverb to the arrangement to give a little air probably in the mid range but the low end is running by itself. That is why that song and everything in that album have so much presence. Many people create a baseline and add reverb to make it sound big or start adding layers in the kick saturating the low end. no. Lows run wild themselves very easy, those frequencies are the ones that travel further and bounces the most, keep them on a leash.

[@Catandbeats]

That was a very interesting read. Got any more tails if your friend? Cool stuff

[@vjrei]

@@Catandbeats Listen to Personal Jesus and you will realize everything is gated, the actual sound of the song is like that but the way they resolved the bass. Just pay attention. The only time they use reverb is in that famous hook where everything just grow and the bass-line goes deep. That is the only reverb it has. The problem I see today is that people are used to trance music and people wants everything big and is easy to mess up the mix, people forget the room! The other a girl came to my studio with an Ableton session and she wanted me to fix her mix. When I saw, she had 8 bass lines running at the same time. I told her is the same problem ghetto women have with their massive fake butts. They see the butt of a regular girl and they think it looks huge but is because is rounded, and because this woman lacked education and is braindead, she goes and add a plastic butt because in her faulty brain that is what it looks like. Same thing with the mix, it sounds big because the bass line is alone, is called arrangement. Leave everything alone in is frequencies. I muted 7 bass lines and now everything sounded better. I told her too.... at what distance your speakers are? If you have them too close you won't be able to let the bass to develop. But what you are saying is very important. Notice something, the British always focus in the mid ranges, Americans like to saturate the lower end. And I am sure that is why they want that cut, because people love to saturate those frequencies obviously and usually those mixes come from studio where the guys have the speakers beside the computer monitor at two feet distance from their faces.

[@HenningUhle]

Oh, yeah, let's create a farting kick and use it in a track called "Butt for good" 🤣 Great video. I heard somewhere: "Music is what you feel". And that sums everything up. You are totally right when you say: Don't look at the spectrum. An amount of Hz is only a damn number.

[@RUMImusic]

If someone says: „always do this“ then i say: No.

[@Catandbeats]

Or question it ;)

[@жесткоетехно]

I am very glad that I found your channel. I've been watching your videos every night for a week. Привет!

[@Catandbeats]

Awesome

[@albertopadilla8846]

man, you keep me always on the top. so thankful that i cant even express. blesssings to you!

[@Catandbeats]

Thank you. Equal blessing to you. These interactions are very wholesome

[@peakmoment.]

Pretty insightful! I had no idea how misleading spectrum analyzers are. I'll definitely keep this in mind going forward. Thanks!

[@Catandbeats]

Yeah, it's pretty annoying. Happy to have helped 👍

[@paulc7798]

Surely FOH have there own low end filter so if they don't want less than 30hz then that's what they get.

[@Catandbeats]

spot on

[@HeathHolme]

Amen 🙏What we’re meant to do, expected to do, verses what we hear!! Be lead by your ears!!

[@Catandbeats]

Yep, and if you can't hear hire an engineer/room (almost rhymed)

[@HeathHolme]

💯@@Catandbeats

[@jeroenvandijk5254]

Very good video!! Thnx man!

[@Catandbeats]

Thank you. These basic things are killing me. More frustrations on patreon haha

[@andreywenk1255]

How are you existing? This is mind blowing. So much bs online. Thank you for the very simple explanation. Loved the ending

[@Catandbeats]

Thanks for sticking around

[@andreywenk1255]

@@Catandbeats "to clean up the low end doesn't mean to cut the low end. It means to listen" My mantra from now on

[@Catandbeats]

@@andreywenk1255 spot on

[@CatFish107]

I'm amazed that I can apparently hear under 40Hz with cheap skullcandy Bluetooth headphones playing back a youtube video on my phone. Thanks for the insights!

[@Catandbeats]

Closed back headphones are great for extreme low end 👍

[@LaGiangMusic]

Great explanation, but I'm pretty sure the topic will come back ;) btw some good guys say to low shelf instead low cut if needed. Or even not to do anything if you are not sure what's going on.

[@Catandbeats]

Just let the limiter decide would be my answer. There is no wrong or right :)

[@Alckemy]

Depends is always the first answer but why not just shelf if there’s too much rumble? That way there no phasing problems

[@Catandbeats]

You can cut, shelf or bell. Just reference it and see which you like best

[@Rox0rCreativeHelp]

Unfortunately, I had to unsubscribe to your Patreon but I am still watching your videos regularly and I’m so happy to see another upload of yours. Great video and keep it going.

[@Catandbeats]

No worries, thanks for the comment and the love on patreon

[@unclejohn8520]

The Answer is No! Zero latency: Increase the peak, Linear Phase: pre-ring

[@Catandbeats]

Appreciate the comment, just to help out. The answer is " it depends ". Non of these approaches are right or wrong. A hard rule however vs listening is definitely going to answer in chance. Very good insight on the post and pre ring, but again it depends on the source material. Fun stuff

[@eli-shulga]

Yes! Finally a clear explanation to the why! My only issue is around the quality of the sound system.. Would one be able to hear the issues below 35ish Hz? Assuming using a good set of headphones ? Because the 30Hz cut might be just a safety thing for people to feel safe on huge club system if they don't have access to hardware that present these ranges well.. Not stating facts, but asking :) Anyway thank you this is very helpful

[@Catandbeats]

Huge clubs will have a foh engineer and know the room/speakers very well. Plenty of headphones also go below 35hz. So, it's just a double check for yourself if you want a constant ring in your song or not. Again depending on the source material, it might ring, it might not. Potentially you can just freeze a tiny part of your song and see. Regardless choose whatever sounds best to you and reference it.

[@eli-shulga]

@@Catandbeats Ok, Ill try to test my ears/headphone to hear these. Thanks

[@david6650]

@Catandbeats I think people are afraid that if they don't cut these ultra low frequencies - which they can't hear on AirPods when you are making "music'" - could "blow up" a big soundsystem...

[@david6650]

actually i'm always concerned about that as well tbh...

[@Catandbeats]

@david6650 it would be the other way around. A tiny speaker will blow faster. But, let the limiter decide. If it starts distorting like crazy then low cut, bell or shelf. Just ab :)

[@pravinsutar6297]

Sir Please 🙏🏻 We all are waiting for your videos.

[@Catandbeats]

No worries 👍working on it :). Patreon has 500 plus videos :)

[@CatFish107]

Is this an issue similar to having a filter with the resonance set to just below self oscillation, and pinging it with a kick? It just has a cutoff set real low?

[@Catandbeats]

What do you mean exactly?

[@CatFish107]

@Catandbeats I mean, if I take a low pass filter, and turn the resonance way up, it will self oscillate at the cutoff frequency. If I set the resonance just below that point, I can get the filter to ring out by sending a quick trigger or gate signal into the audio input. This appears to be a similar phenomenon, just with the filter cutoff set at 30 Hz, and a kick drum sound used as the exciter.

[@RASIZMUSIC]

Michael Scott No God Noooooo 👌😂

[@Catandbeats]

Yep, but I try to remain composed haha

[@Desmuris]

Why keep inaudible frequencies in a mix, considering that they occupy a literal energy that may be used as additional dBs of the final mix, considering that approach for "streaming" mastering exploits a louder=better approach? It may be the case for low-end instruments, such as kick and bass, but a steep low-end cut on all other frequency busses feels rational.

[@Catandbeats]

If you watch the video you might see that the spectrum analyzer actually does not represent the low end well.. For instance playing a sine wave at 50hz shows low end far below it but nothing is actually playing there. Therefore cutting the low end would only cause more volume going into the limiter. In short: let your limiter decide

[@Soulmachine72]

Thanks for showing us this 🙂👍 It's hard man sometimes, to not use your eyes and just your ears. I'm practicing everyday to trust my ears. You should do a blind mix sometime. Like you do a normal video with talking and everything, but we don't see what you're doing in the daw. It could be cool 😉

[@Catandbeats]

Interesting, maybe turn off the screen? Not sure many people would watch a black screen. Not a social media guy for views but that would be hilariously niche.. tempted haha

[@HoundTakeshi]

360p gang.

[@Catandbeats]

Gotta wait for HD but I appreciate how fast you jumped on this

[@HoundTakeshi]

@@Catandbeats it's just that the content of this video is something that was a lot on my mind lately. In a different context though. I've heard somewhere about a trick, to cut everything (even if you can't hear it, especially if you can't hear it) in order to make the final mix gets louder? Tried it and not sure if it helps that much.

[@Catandbeats]

@@HoundTakeshi zero phase will create less headroom so it might sound louder. It depends is the answer. Just shoot out different filter types and nothing and see which you like best. Kind of the point of the video :)

[@HoundTakeshi]

@@Catandbeats yes, exactly! Thank you very much for that! ❤