Catherine Tubb on why precision fermentation completely disrupts industrial animal farming by 2030

[@chrisd8942]

I’ve listened to some podcasts that span the last 2-3 years this week and it’s really interesting to listen to your views. This is going to revolutionise dairy as we know it and at a quick rate I feel!

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

Thanks Chris for your support!

[@pohkeee]

You will still have to produce massive amounts of feed sugars! How are proposing to get around that?

[@-whackd]

Do they make a meat we can eat? What is the delta in cost between their lab meat vs farmed meat?

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

Very good question! What do you think about it?

[@mangarific1]

Im a Biotech student charging head first into this

[@Atheist-Libertarian]

Great

[@Soothsayer210]

Can this Precision Fermentation impact the Fruit/ Vegetables/ Grain production markets too?

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

Yes absolutely, most grain is fed to animals to that would be effected directly, and land prices would be affected as well so that would impact fruit and vegetables growers

[@gardenfornutrition6373]

Everything I read about precision fermentation is that the broth for the process comes from sugar (corn, sugar beets, sugar cane) and nitrogen (fossil fuels). It may be cheap because fossil fuels and grains are heavily subsidized. When the subsidies disappear, what is going to happen? Something does not add up here.

[@md8421]

Still cheaper than running a farm and raising animals. And far more efficient. So even without subsidies it will be cheaper to ferment at scale.

[@queendomofethelpodcast4662]

@@md8421 huh? That doesn't actually make sense.

[@md8421]

@@queendomofethelpodcast4662 I'm not sure which bit doesn't make sense? He is saying the costs are low as they are currently subsidised. However even without subsidies it is cheaper to ferment milk than raise cows on a farm as they require the same inputs such as food and fossil fuels but obtaining milk this way is very inefficient. I think 98% inefficient is the current figure. Fermentation is way more efficient so it will use less resources to produce the milk. Does that make sense?

[@-whackd]

@@md8421 It is not cheaper or more efficient. That's why the products are not on the market. What you mean is, "one day, hopefully, it is cheaper and more efficient than farming"

[@lgalina997]

"compete costwise with 'boat'? proteins"...?...audio is garbled. Anyone know what she actually said? tia.

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

I think it's this piece, bulk proteins: And by 2025, this technology will be able to compete cost wise with bulk proteins.

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

Hi, the text transcript of the summary is also on the website on investinginregenerativeagriculture.com/2020/03/18/catherine-tubb/

[@lynngoldfarb1215]

Turn on closed captioning (hit cc on lower right of screen) for subtitles. (She's saying "bulk proteins"

[@-whackd]

@@investinginregenerativeagr8568 What are they at costwise now?

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

@@-whackd I don't think anywhere close to where they were hoping to be. Do you have any reports etc.?

[@perparimmedia]

This sound quality of the vid is terrible. I could barely hear it.

[@Soothsayer210]

so what is stopping this industry to take till 2025 to mature now? Is this a capital intensive industry?

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

Yes and it isn't so easy as it seems, doing it on lab scale or industrial scale is extremely different

[@Soothsayer210]

@@investinginregenerativeagr8568 that explains - hope the gap gets closed for the betterment of humanity soon.

[@bizkinetics]

a typical precision fermentation plant cost 100 million dollars or more.

[@R.E.A.L.I.T.Y]

Vital. Soil is the basis of life & its degrading everywhere

[@grzegorzjuchniewicz7158]

You're absolutely right. PF and cell based meat, fish will be part of sustainability on local level. Needless to say, the plant based diet will eliminate many of animal diseases.On the top of this new trend, the new profession like food engineer will emerge as high skill and high paid job.That tech is the gateway into nano-fabrication.

[@queendomofethelpodcast4662]

I agree with a lot of this though I have to point out just two obvious issues with that. How can we eliminate many animal diseases IF some of these animal diseases are intentionally being engineered or preserved through bio-labs and developed for the use of bio-warfare?

[@pamelaholloway7552]

Read David Minkoff's book, "Search for the Perfect Protein" Also- See Alan Savory's work.

[@askartop2628]

no need for back grnd music

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

Thank you for your feedback

[@MrMagnus]

Amazing work. All the best!

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

Thank you!

[@garthwunsch]

I don’t understand... if you’re really supporting Regenerative Agriculture, why are you discussing faux protein? Or am I missing something?

[@investinginregenerativeagr8568]

Hi Garth, Thanks for your comment. Although I have a lot of questions on the health risks connected to this type of proteins, precision fermentation could have an enormous impact on agriculture as we know it (land prices, cafos, etc.). So I felt like we should this and bring this conversation to the regen community. I think we need to understand why the fake/clean meat, vegan movement is able to attract so much attention, resources, talent and funding and see what we can learn from that.

[@elsmaster5592]

well the point is that it isn't faux protein but the real deal just not derived from animals (at least that is how I understand it) Also this will have an outstanding impact on everything agriculture so it is definitely important to know about

[@garthwunsch]

@@elsmaster5592 yes, it may well have an impact on traditional farming, but sadly a very negative one. Walter Jehne has some marvellous videos on how absolutely essential herding animals are to restoring a healthy liveable climate. Our bios developed with these animals and that is why we can’t suddenly divest ourselves from their function.

[@philipbroggio9315]

@@garthwunsch There are some really good examples of rewilding in the UK like Knepp Estate that use highland cattle to perform the function along with pigs. The difference to now is that the animals work to improve the environment are not farmed. Landowners will need to adapt to this model and help to capture the Co2 as the enviroment recovers.

[@md8421]

@@garthwunsch the problem is the amount of land, water, antibiotics that are used in farming that we can dispense with. The land will recover if left alone and wild ruminates can fill this role. We don't need 11 billion cattle on this planet.