Disrupting Dairy with Precision Fermentation: "90% Reduction In US Dairy Herd By 2030" ?!

[@PLANTBASEDNEWS]

Watch the full film today: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3TaoaaDqdKAnq8

[@Incredible43]

Animal free dairy is a great idea, the same Animal health risks will be up to the people who decide to drink/eat it just like they decide to drink/eat Animal dairy. Its time to stop Animal torture, r*pe, infanticide & murder.

[@ingeborghickey9130]

I can't wait till this happens

[@gtxviper]

Good video... Dr Rosie ruined it for me with her ageist, racist, sexist pish.

[@PLANTBASEDNEWS]

@Click Bait What is in cows milk? Cow's milk is 87.7% water, 4.9% lactose (carbohydrate), 3.4% fat, 3.3% protein, and 0.7% minerals - This can be replicated. This is the future of milk.

[@MrJustforkicks]

About time. Need it yesterday. Enough exploitation of animals.

[@KikiAndJeffreyPearl]

This is great for the cows and the environment, not sure why people need cow milk, but, if it saves the cows and the planet, let them drink

[@titovalasques]

In this case I think we can take it one step at a time. Once the animal based dairy industry is on its last leg we can bring up the health problems associated with dairy. But I agree, why needing dairy is even a thing is confusing.

[@KikiAndJeffreyPearl]

@@titovalasques agreed

[@someguy2135]

Besides habit and convenience, dairy, especially cheese, contains casomorphin which is mildly addictive. It ensures infants craving their mother's milk. Cheese concentrates it. Cheese tends to be salty and fatty, which also spurs cravings.

[@ikvangalen6101]

We ALL know why……

[@simpetcla12]

I drink their milk, eat their organs, bones, skin, eggs, fat and meat. Thank you animals for helping me be healthy and alive

[@edyann]

My mom asked me once to bring her some milk from the fridge because she couldn't walk due to an injury. So I pour some into a glass and smell something foul... but I didn't know where it was coming from at first. Then I bend a bit to smell the bottle and it was the milk! I thought it had gone rancid and told my mother that I was going to throw it away. She asked to smell it and she said: What are you talking about? That's the way milk should smell like! To me it was like smelling pus! It was awful! So I guess after 30 years of being plant based- you know for a fact that it's really pus what people are drinking. Awful...

[@debbielente4766]

Very sad. I just got hip about process a year ago. Makes me sick. I cannot do anything. Totally sucks

[@jessicaveganjessica2208]

I smelled dairy cheese a few years after being vegan and it made me instantly and extremely nauseous! And prior to going vegan, I used to eat it daily. Yep, those smells are really bad.

[@sk.n.9302]

@@debbielente4766 You are already doing so much by not consuming dairy. But I too wish all dairy cows (all factory farm animals for that matter) could go to a sanctuary & live out their lives.

[@debbielente4766]

@@sk.n.9302 Yes great idea. God Bless. take care

[@glennmartin6492]

@@sk.n.9302 Here's the question: dairy cows have been bred to be highly productive in milk. If they aren't milked regularly they can be in pain. Are dairy farmers going to sell their cows to the meat market to avoid this?

[@keithoneill6273]

I'm vegan and drink no milk whatsover. In my mid-sixties, I recently had a knee operation and the surgeon said afterwards that my bone was hard as rock.

[@sk.n.9302]

That’s interesting, my calcium levels even went up a bit after going vegan. It’s in the brocoli!

[@gigitijarain]

Same❤

[@CmdrTigerKing]

lol fuckijng milk isnt what makes bones "strong"... theres certainly ingrediants in milk which do promote strong bones... but so do other foods.. However food is just one factor of the picture.... your lifestyle, gender, gentics (not as much as you think) and so on... mostly tho diet and lifestyle. ... inputs = outputs ...

[@leonardoterzani9639]

Go vegan for the Animals, for the Planet and for your Health as well 🌱💪🏼

[@ikvangalen6101]

I won’t lie: my first motivation to become vegan was fed by an anarchistic motive! I won’t get poisoned by any government !

[@leonardoterzani9639]

@@ikvangalen6101 That's quite uncommon, isn't it? I'm glad it led you to make this change in your lifestyle

[@ikvangalen6101]

I seriously doubt being alone in this. Of course I want no animal cruelty, a better planet, but, as it has come to show, what the people want and what the people get are not done by the people. Just look back, say, two years??

[@leonardoterzani9639]

@@ikvangalen6101 There are some anarcho-antispeciesist groups you can find on social media, so I don't think you're alone. Of course most of people go vegan for other reasons, but anarcho-veganism makes sense if you consider all forms of oppression to be somehow linked together.

[@ikvangalen6101]

Didn’t even know there are groups like that. Won’t join any of m I live my life and I’d like to have freedom of choice, on ANY aspect of life. Therefore, honoring life itself, how could ( indeed) animals not be included? Like I said, it was my prime reason to change, not my only one

[@thesilentone4024]

Can you talk about how unsustainable American farms are. Like all the water use chemical fertilizer and pesticides and the plastic it makes. Mybe talk about how America has lots of cool edible fruits and vegetables but we grow like none of them.

[@carnismiscancer2108]

Veganism is rising and thriving while carnism is trying and dying!

[@someguy2135]

Consumer change in buying habits has already started the process of the end of dairy. "Borden Dairy filed for bankruptcy Sunday, becoming the second major milk producer in as many months to seek Chapter 11 protection. ... Dean Foods, the nation’s largest milk producer, filed for bankruptcy protection in November. From major corporations to small farmers, milk processors are seeing their margins pinched as wholesale milk costs climb and consumers gravitate to dairy-free options such as almond, soy and oat beverages." -The Washington Post

[@glennmartin6492]

In addition to precision fermentation there is also "cultured" meat where muscle cells from animals are produced outside animals in tanks. Just about every type of meat could be produced and I'm predicting someone manufacturing 'long pork'.

[@djash7161]

Replace animal agriculture yes but let’s be rid of dairy

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

If you did both of those your would kill off humanity.

[@suicune2001]

Even if it is fake cow milk, drinking milk is still stupid. But maybe it'll help all the people stuck on it to transition away from the milk with suffering built-in.

[@f1msaman]

How is stupid when is the best food in the world. I'm talking about proper grass fed cow and raw milk. What kind of talk is that here My way or the high way

[@suicune2001]

@@f1msaman Are you a baby cow?

[@glennmartin6492]

Why won't they make fake human milk? That's the stuff we evolved to be fed when an infant.

[@cherryeve13]

It's always been about money and nothing else but money. Precision fermentation is the perfect example of that.

[@someguy2135]

Consumer change in buying habits has already started the process of the end of dairy. "Borden Dairy filed for bankruptcy Sunday, becoming the second major milk producer in as many months to seek Chapter 11 protection. ... Dean Foods, the nation’s largest milk producer, filed for bankruptcy protection in November. From major corporations to small farmers, milk processors are seeing their margins pinched as wholesale milk costs climb and consumers gravitate to dairy-free options such as almond, soy and oat beverages." -The Washington Post

[@sk.n.9302]

Have been following this as well, the collapse is coming.

[@someguy2135]

@@sk.n.9302 We have liquid dairy on the run. Now we have to replace dairy cheese with plant based cheeze or precision fermented cheese which is like lab meat for dairy.

[@aclassmedicine3306]

Plant milks often have too many additives starting with oils. Just eat the whole food.

[@debbielente4766]

Yes save the animal's. All. Cows and calves. Stop the abuse. Pigs , chicken's. If is horrible how they are grown and treated the workers should be fired. Fired Save our animals. Lord hear my prayer amen

[@meman6964]

Most farm workers would MUCH rather have any other job . They are often as much the victim of the system as the livestock they have to tend .

[@debbielente4766]

@@meman6964 you said it. I feel bad for them. I. have seen men cry for what is being done to the mothers and baby calves.

[@Zoza15]

This is amazing news, it can be locally done as well. Precision Fermentation can also be done for other kinds of foods.

[@willm5814]

READ THIS!!!! the most brilliant niche for PF (according to me ;) is pet food - I’m sure you - being a fellow mensa member - would agree that it is beyond ironic that pet owners feed their animals; pigs, chickens, cows, fish and all sorts of other sentient beings as they think their animals deserve the best life possible - one of these PF companies needs to exploit this HUGE opportunity! Pet food that is not a source of animal cruelty and/or animal death!!!!

[@GeckoHiker]

It's crazy that in the 21st century we are still exploiting animals on factory farms. Grandma's cow gave a normal amount of milk and the calf wasn't weaned at birth. It was still sad that she butchered the male yearlings. She was born in 1898, a different time. I don't drink milk or consume bovine dairy products today. I do have chickens which we do not eat. Even if they stop laying they are in their forever home, free-ranging and living their best chicken life. Between our own organic garden, chickens, nut trees, and a vast foraging area this is about the best nutritional strategy we could come up with in modern times. Take responsibility and grow your own food.

[@sk.n.9302]

Your set-up sounds idyllic & you answered some of yhe ongoing questions I had. Hopefully some day for me as well!

[@willm5814]

Great video, thank you...and another thank you to Tony Seba for helping us see what is happening around us! I'm old, I'm a techie (engineer/software company owner, did my thesis on windpower)....and I'm vegan - I have been waiting for this (the move away from animals for food) for 10 years, and have been waiting for the shift to EV's and the shift to clean energy for over 50 years!!! I LOVE that KZbin is giving me a front-row seat!

[@sk.n.9302]

Hi Will, your vision is so clear. Tony Seba also enlightened me in 2016 about EV cars, I’m in awe it has all unfolded just as he predicted (also went vegan in 2017, just makes sense on so many levels). Have been following the new tech food space (i.e. precision fermentation), but so far, it seems like it’s still “perculating”. Hopefully cos. can scale soon. Elated to have the chance to witness this in the next 10 yrs. (I’m in my early 60s).

[@amandaneumann4047]

If this is true, I will cry tears of pure joy!!!! I pray this happens VERY, VERY SOON!!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@mermaidsoul11235]

It appears that the advocates for the fermented milk that is supposed to be the same as dairy milk have completely missed the part about animal proteins damaging human health when consumed in the human diet. What safety and nutrition studies have been done on this?

[@jessicaveganjessica2208]

It's the same thing but without hurting animals and while being better for the environment, so, of course it isn't healthy, bc dairy isn't healthy...This is not a health food, it's a replacement for something that is better in several key ways. Not to mention antibiotic resistance...

[@mermaidsoul11235]

@@planetofthevegans880 Yes, it's better for the animals, for now. I care because it doesn't shift the mentality of needing animal foods in the diet or that eating animal foods is desirable.

[@caseyadamson2839]

I agree with the notion that we need to rethink our relationship with animals altogether. We do not need animals to survive, evolve, progress, or thrive. But for this to replace TWO out of three huge issues [animal & planet welfare]…it’s a HUGE win. Things evolve over periods of time, in small/medium increments. I envision the era in the future where it is extremely frowned upon to use animals in ANY capacity…food, clothing, entertainment, experimentation. To see animal dairy replaced with a scientific process in our lifetime is a big victory 🤩

[@sk.n.9302]

They do admit this, but many people aren’t going to want to shift to non-dairy products & to save our planet this needs to happens asap.

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

Plants cause more problems than milk.

[@sk.n.9302]

Much respect & appreciation for RethinkX. Dairy is one of the cruelest of industries.

[@bernios3446]

Same for meat. It is basically industrial torture of those creatures. Mainly before their death.

[@msdm83]

quality products.. that's basically trying to say the market being destroyed is fine because we can sell artisan cheese at the farmers market.

[@AtypicalPaul]

Very cool! Not good for the people to drink/eat but awesome for the cows and climate 👏

[@nwbackcountry5327]

I'll stick to WFPB. Geothermal greenhouse build this summer. Peace.

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

If it takes away the suffering of animals I'm all for it! Let them drink this stuff instead although not a damn thing wrong with plant milks.

[@Islamisthecultofsin]

Plant milks are toxic.

[@adamhodgson8851]

I sure hope Canada is planning for this with how much we rely on the dairy industry. 🐄

[@jhunt5578]

I've read the Rethinkx report and makes me hopeful that slaughter animal ag in the developed countries will be wiped out soon. As fast as Veganism is growing the ethical argument won't happen nearly as fast as cell based animal foods. Tony Seba is a legend.

[@kurtmill9080]

The two things that will help us in our Just Transition to Sustainable Agriculture: EMPATHY and DISRUPTIVE INNOVATIONS. Let's do this.

[@pastornadinehernandez5700]

Does anyone have a clue what they do to pregnant cows and their calves to make meat substitutes? It is grotesque. Speaking of barbaric, don't believe all this sunshine and roses point of view from the animal haters who stand to make more millions off the innocent. I would encourage research without bias.

[@jhunt5578]

@@pastornadinehernandez5700 Fetal Bovine Growth Serum isn't used in all lab food processes. Many have Vegan mediums now or are developing Vegan mediums. Either way the level of suffering caused drops by a factor of trillions. And it will drop to zero once Vegan growth factors are standard throughout the industry.

[@ZE308AC]

We should also focus on eating wild edible weeds

[@dominionthemovieisreality1181]

Did you know just about every plant called a "weed" has strong anti-cancer and/or medicinal properties? Dandelion, milkweed, plantain, purslane, etc. It's why they're demonized as weeds so they'll be killed with poisons and eradicated, too much competition for pharma.

[@sk.n.9302]

Would love to hear which main weeds you’re referring to.

[@snowstrobe]

This will be a great option. I've managed to get milk out of my diet in all but my tea. This totally solves that.

[@mikeskylark1594]

WOOOOOW. Amazing! Amazing! Amazing!

[@LongDefiant]

I'm down 25 lbs after going vegan and wheat free, and I feel much better.

[@LongDefiant]

After going without cheese for a couple months, I now understand why people consider cheese to be the "crack of dairy". It's somewhat euphoric to consume.

[@bernios3446]

ReThinkX brought me here! Their's is one of the most hopeful message i have heard in a very very very long time. Not just precision fermentation, also transport, energy, work.

[@michellem7290]

Yay… dairy milk isn’t great for human health but people are stuck in their ways so win at least for the environment and the cows

[@thomasbeach7436]

I can't wait to try some beef and chicken from this process. To know that no pain or fear went into the making of it will be good but helping out our planet will be great!!!

[@ryker4549]

YES YES YES == LIVE 🌱 VEGAN let's make it so SOONER THAN LATER

[@absupinhere]

WHERE DO I BUY THIS??!!!!!

[@boombot934]

Glad 😊 to hear this!

[@rl9808]

The dairy industry isn’t going down, only up with increasing world population.

[@Ruraldogs88]

Finally diary cows get freedom. I hope it will happen quick.

[@mikewurlitzer5217]

As an Engineer I find this fascinating but cannot help but wonder if this marvelous achievement will be like the major shift in bread to wonderful soft, nutrient void white bread with the advent of roller mills. The wonderful mills/bakeries pumped out nutrient void flour/bread by the truck full and only in 1946 were they FORCED to "Enrich" the bread by adding 5 missing nutrients out of the 40 they had removed in the milling and bolting process. Then in 1995 they were FORCED to add folic acid because of the spike in birth defects. Hmmm! Again, as an Engineer I'd love to see this succeed but know just how pure evil corporations and government have always been and are sure to become worse as they gain more power over us. Most humans know enough to plant seeds and grow food while 0.000001% know how to use Precision Fermentation.

[@krishnaveganathar]

Are we worried about economics or doing what is right?

[@childofeternity]

Depending on the 'we' the answer will be both. But that's ok for we need the selfish folks who maybe ONLY interested in economics to provide the capital etc to make the change.

[@isaacperal9778]

Hello future. It is so nice to be so close to you!

[@peggymc554]

Thankyou for your hard work informing us of the future. It's exciting. I'm no rocket scientist, but wouldn't it be great to get someone as influential as Elon Musk on board?

[@sk.n.9302]

I’ve been thinking same. Nestle’s CEO is already moving the company in the direction of replacing dairy. Also, SpaceX (Elon Musk) is not going to colonize Mars with real animals & I’m pretty sure they’ve got a plan & suspect Precision Fermentation.

[@macrumpton]

One big change is there will be no hormones or drugs that would've been given to the cow in making this fermented milk. This will decrease the rate of bacterial and viral immunity to drugs. Just having the milk produced in a sanitary environment without any chance of cow diseases corrupting the milk will be huge. One downside compared to plant milk is that it will still have cholesterol and saturated fats, although it should be possible to adjust the microbes production to minimize those aspects. Another plus would be that it can be produced everywhere, not just where cows could live. So cities could have dairies in them to minimize transport and increase freshness.

[@0ctatr0n]

It's been 2 years, NZ's cows are still being milked what's going on??

[@andrzejukowski8262]

How about health factor? Is it safe or the same as cow milk?

[@keithoneill6273]

The issue is addressed in the video. It carries the same health issues as genuine cow's milk.

[@andrzejukowski8262]

@@keithoneill6273 in such csse it is not worth to produce it.

[@Lily_and_River]

No it's not addressed properly at all. Precision fermentation is a form of genetically modified food. How do they know what kind of risks this will have if the whole planet will start drinking this so called milk?

[@markthomasson5077]

Well it doesn’t come from nipples recently covered in cow shit!

[@susanvaughn741]

I think I better get a cow while they are available. Without cows, who will mow my grass?

[@carpenterfamily6198]

I’ve got nothing against dairy. It’s just not good for me, so I’m not buying any.

[@fiberjw]

Another reason why “vegan” != healthy. I’m all for these products, but humanity really needs to embrace a WFPB diet!

[@FruityHachi]

this is not a vegan product, it’s not made from plants, it contains animal protein which comes with all its health risks this is for people who consume dairy

[@RyanScottForReal]

With this, eggs, and meat being made this way, could we actually save the planet??

[@cassandrablume6808]

New Zealand has the opportunity to lead the world and show how to end cruel dairy agriculture and transition to animal femree dairy. No more artificial insemination, just let cows be free. Let their calves have their milk.

[@bobgray1555]

NZ needs to move really quickly to take advantage of this innovation or it will suffer big time. Dairy farmers will not be able to compete - is it feasible for them to switch to growing hemp? Some help would be needed but it would be a win win for the Environment.

[@smiller2114]

Most people won't trust the new type of milk

[@ccamire]

Precision fermentation has been around the pharma industry for the last 50 yrs for many drugs. They still have contamination issues in manufacturing and the drugs are still the most expensive in the world. We are not there yet. Small scale producing is easy, large scale and at lower cost remain a major leap from our current status.

[@spacewalktraveller1]

I really hope this works, there will be a huge push back from the lobby groups, as dairy is a multi billion dollar industry. This will become very political and the dairy industry will send out lots of false information to keep the industry going.

[@sunnydawn7682]

Brave Robot!

[@HKashaf]

Nestle is already destroying the environment in so many ways.

[@flyandshy00]

I don't want pigs, sheep, cows, chickens to extinct!!!! Ghhhrrrr

[@radpartha]

With domestic animal farming and the space they need, we are wiping out forests, which includes wild animals

[@veganm8918]

@@radpartha Indeed. If we could convert land used for animal farming and feed we would have billions of acres worldwide back to natural habitat. Hundreds of thousands of species would benefit.

[@stevangelical7052]

Extinction will be kinder to pigs, sheep, cows and chickens than the current abuse within animal agriculture.

[@childofeternity]

@@stevangelical7052 Indeed. The suffering that animal farming inflicts is horrific.

[@dominionthemovieisreality1181]

So start your own farm sanctuary to save them then. They're plenty to rescue and adopt. DO SOMETHING instead of complaining.

[@Zenhumanist]

Now this is a game changer.

[@robinpetersson3081]

Is this gmo? I think people will have a hard time drinking it once big dairy gets to take this gmo for a dance. But I hope I am wrong. Cheaper milk is also a winning concept. Can't wait to witness dairy go down 🔥

[@dominionthemovieisreality1181]

They need to realize that all farmed animals are loaded with GMO already, shot up with synthetic growth hormones and mRNA vaccines, and fed GMO food, genetically bred to produce 3 times as much milk. The whole animal ag system is GMO.

[@eliwhitley1878]

This is a good way to make people hungry. We can't grow a laboratory.

[@slartibartfast2452]

Any outlet that continuously makes predictions related to 2030, makes me think you have connections to the obvious organisations and as such, distrust anything you have to say.

[@carl13579]

I'm sure that's what the horse and buggy owners said too.

[@slartibartfast2452]

@@carl13579 haven't paid attention the past 20 years eh?

[@dominionthemovieisreality1181]

2030 is actually too far off in the future. It seems to just be a random number. It's like telling factory farms they have until then to keep torturing the animals until the laws force them to change. The animals shouldn't have to suffer 8 more years, people need to wake TF up now.

[@Lily_and_River]

You are completely right. It's totally part of the global 2030 agenda to genetically modify more and more food. For governments it's a way to address 'climate change' and for organisations and industries to make money. This has nothing to do with the well being of animals.

[@DMANchannel888]

About time for the need of poluting cow to end

[@aclassmedicine3306]

Chinese people like cow’s milk because they like the growth benefits. Sadly they are unaware of the health dangers long term. Osteoporosis is now growing in China too along with obesity et cetera.

[@freshairkaboom8171]

Wait, does that mean that most cheeses are vegan..? Or am I just not getting it?

[@redflag4255]

Epic news!

[@thedrifter3892]

I would never drink it, but at least it helps the problem

[@kevinmcgrane4279]

Tony Seba is a visionary. 👍🏻

[@jasminetutt7631]

This will never sustain life

[@lesterlasa3367]

Awesome news thank you ❤️

[@seanmoynihan7471]

Get real,that shit is nuclear.

[@reaperkollyns6495]

I'll pass.

[@Fanimik]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@clydefilas-mortensen1094]

So milk has other components away from proteins and water, e.g. minerals and fat. Talk about the full replication of what the cow offers.

[@ipdavid1043]

milk has no calcium nor any nutrients at all

[@rebelvgan4579]

Interesting. I can sense a backlash from the diehard animal users tho..

[@mikewurlitzer5217]

Whenever I hear someone say "10 times cheaper" I know they don't understand English, they don't understand Math, and their conclusions might be wrong also. How about 1/10th the cost. Multiplying 'cheaper" is not something one does in math. Somehow this bastardization of language has gotten a foothold and it ruins someone's credibility.

[@MjMurphy777]

This warms my heart to know that the poor cows will be spared that God awful lot in life. I grew up on a farm. The cows bawling when the calves were taken away every Fall still haunts me☹️

[@deadliftordie5276]

Need more options for vegan keto

[@freaksteinb]

What if I like the dairy milk I think there are a lot of people who agree with me like there are people who don’t so I wouldn’t say it’s gonna be an issue some people just don’t agree with vegans I’m not looking for something that has the same benefits I like my milk natural from the cow and the meet too

[@sk.n.9302]

Why am I getting an ad for “grass fed beef marketing”? They need to go away.

[@richardgregory3684]

"Dairy marketting" - nope, it;s more that milk, butter and real cheese taste good. And the "alternatives" like nut slurries and the abominations sold as vegan "cheese" don;t.

[@markthomasson5077]

I have just started making nut cheeses, using correct enzymes, delicious.

[@russellmacneil4058]

An awful lot of woke people commenting on topic.

[@krishnaveganathar]

“Woke” is short for the past tense of “awake”, as in “not asleep”. Awaken to the truth of suffering imposed by mankind upon countless sentient creatures.

[@meat_gave_me_chestpain]

Sleepwalkers become agitated when disturbed

[@harveyplantharvester1502]

​@@krishnaveganathar No, the term "woke" has been politically hijacked to refer to people pushing the racist Critical Race Theory, the children changing genders agenda, and pushing the idea that pandemic restrictions should become permanent. This is the toxic agenda the mainstream Media is pushing. Whereas "Awakened" is a TOTALLY different concept of actually being enlightened. And nowhere in that "woke" agenda does veganism play any role. The "woke" are 100% selfish and narcissistic, and couldn't care less about animal suffering.

[@kendramarkworth6855]

The last thing we need is more franken-food! The solution cannot just be environmental OR health OR the animals, etc. It has to encompass ALL. Easy fix: whole food plant based. Yes, you will survive.

[@spiritwomanwarrior4211]

Excellent

[@chloelegard]

Incredible

[@injunsun]

@PLANT BASED NEWS "Phok dairy."

[@erikamundson2507]

Check out De Novo Dairy or Opalia

[@candyazz28]

Cow as a technology @1:16

[@svariar]

cows supply the best fertilizer on earth with their dung.............

[@carrie6743]

vegan humans can do the same😊

[@dominionthemovieisreality1181]

@@carrie6743 Seriously. The smell of manure from tortured farmed animals fed nasty GMO food is HORRIFIC!!!! In comparison vegan toilets smell fabulous.

[@jrpotter9659]

How can people swallow this propaganda

[@asloan193]

I wonder if this has the estrogen in it like cows milk has in it or it the microbes do not produce that.

[@DBASSDAN]

There isn't one

[@Lily_and_River]

This is scary. I haven't been drinking any cow's milk since I was a kid. Don't think we need it or that it's very healthy. I've also been vegetarian or vegan for years. But I don't think genetically modified food is the answer. We are hardly aware of the dangers or risks involved if everyone on this planet would start drinking precision fermented milk. To say it's the same as beer is not acceptable. And how are they pretending this is something that's going against the current policies of governments? Here in the Netherlands, the government is literally forcing farmers to quit all in the name of 'climate change'. These people sound like they're involved in the same policies and same kind of thinking. Or they're involved because of the money. They know with certainty this is going to happen because globally this is the agenda. I'm all for taking better care of our planet and animals... but this has nothing to do with that.

[@hg2.]

Schmuckos!

[@azadyash]

🙏🙏

[@OtherwisePanic]

Absolutely false to claim cows are the "most inefficient" means of food production. I can get behind this 0 cow milk production, but lying to suit your bias is not helpful to anyone. Cows turn unusable land and crops into highly bioavailable foods, while in return, potentially, improving bio-markers of the land they're raised on, if the farming practices are up to par with practical sustainable farming methods. We should leave the conversation at the level of industrialized, conventional dairy being ineffective, because saying the problem is the cow in general is a severe miscalculation, based out of either ignorance or pure bias.

[@alexatwater1961]

They are highly inefficient because the amount of water and the calories from crops put in to 1 cow to obtain a litre of lactation fluid or a pound of flesh is astronomical.

[@keithoneill6273]

Is the land really otherwise unusable? How about if it was planted with deciduous forest? It could become highly productive, enhance biodiversity, offer leisure potential and act as a flood-prevention mechanism (an issue here in the UK).

[@OtherwisePanic]

@@alexatwater1961 You have to consider where the water and feed comes from. There's plenty of green water, being used and not being used. Green water is replenishable, as well as the feed (grass) which is produced naturally in the space that is already being used to raise cattle. Grass is inedible to humans, yet is perfect for the cow, as well as being highly abundant. If I had the money and knowledge, I could place a few cows on my land and everything would continue to thrive as is with minimal recourses being used.

[@OtherwisePanic]

@@keithoneill6273 Yes, in many cases the land would have had very little practical uses, and you cannot just create a forest anywhere. Forests require water, and plant production requires irrigation. We have to take in account the ecosystem and biomes being utilized. Even if we could plant a large food forest in theory, simply adding ruminant animals to that forest would increase the ecosystem's biodiversity and improve it's overall quality.

[@courtnez]

@@keithoneill6273 Yes, trees are an amazing way to use land.

[@nathanielg.m.888]

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[@kingdominnertia]

What are the microbes from? Are they actually using the genetic code of cow milk to begin with, and 'mixing' it with the grains (or nuts) that we would use to make plant milk, to Cause 'the exact genetic code (taste, smell, versatility), of cows milk? If it's merely the 'fermentation' process that can translate 'plant/grain milk' into a substance that resembles animal milk, then basically anyone should be able to do it; like with our hemp, almond, cashew, and oat, etc. milks. And if this fermentation process of grain milk does create a more versatile milk product (cheeses, powdered), it should also become a significant source of B12. Just a thought. This makes me think of the Scripture, for those of us who Believe, we would be lead into the Promised Land that Flows with Milk and Honey: a place where the land flourishes in light, color, and nourishing plant life, and without sorrow. And I can see it.

[@dominionthemovieisreality1181]

I believe that the “Land of milk and honey” refers not to that stolen from cows and bees but to the wild-growing “weeds” of milkweed and honeysuckle, which have many miraculous healing properties like curing cancer. You could change it to something like the Land of Plant Milk and Flower Nectar."

[@kingdominnertia]

@@dominionthemovieisreality1181 If the scriptures were that specific they wouldn't have survived thousands of years for us to be discussing.

[@russellmacneil4058]

How many animal,s do you people figure roamed the empty spaces before we came along and slaughtered them all,and you talk about co2 from cow,s what nonsense.

[@carrie6743]

Think you need to educate yourself. Today 96% of animals on earth are farmed leaving just 4% wild. With the rise of the human population over centuries, billions more animals are bred to be slaughtered now than ever existed in the past.

[@stevangelical7052]

New Zealand and Australia do not have native ruminant animals. Yet they both now have vast herds of cattle and sheep spewing out methane. Vast tracts of forest were decimated to accomodate them or their foodstocks. The Amazon is a prime example. Forests were able to absorb co2 but it appears that they are now contributing to emissions. Once again the Amazon is a prime example.

[@meman6964]

Bison covered the huge plains of USA and Canada, before MEN decided to slaughter them and turn God's free pasture land into towns

[@russellmacneil4058]

I’m not fussy I’ll eat buffalo.