Alex Nowrasteh debates Heritage Study on Documenting Immigrants

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[@pfcravt]

Fox commentators are always trying to cut Alex off. It is annoying.

[@alyjulmiste1880]

Alex is one of those folks that can read a book once and have it memorized. The other guy is pretty sharp to, but Alex caught him trying to use a 10 year old statistic.

[@richardshipe4576]

Nowrasteh is the bane of Heritage's entire branch of immigration policy studies.

[@maggot1111666]

Historically, when governments have built walls on their borders it wasn't to help the people out (Berlin).

[@joeziahbabb]

That is because there are still some think tanks with some class these days.

[@SuperGregoryRoss]

Notice the high level of civility in this exchange. Actual arguments being put forth.

[@doncourson]

What a horrible debate. Cato's point, Heritage is wrong. Their counter cost, uh, um, duh. The school cost of raising 2+ kids per family at $25 to $35k per year will never be recovered by the taxes on income of the jobs "American's won't do". There is no reason to import low skilled workers. It is great for business and politicians but not for the tax payers.

[@dylanthornsberry8778]

Don't give immigrants any benefits. Easy, problem solved.

[@doncourson]

I did look up Ben Powell. He says " entrepreneurs create economic growth " that's not the same as open borders. Your argument boils down to Cato and Ben say so. What is the historic record of a Socialist Capitalist/ mixed economy booming with open borders during a "Great Recession"? Also, cheep labor can grow an economy, depress wages, consume govt services and create profits for mgmt and voters for politicians. Because economic growth bumps a bit doesn't mean other issues are resolved

[@doncourson]

Cato never gives a number, nor addresses state costs. So we are suppose to take on faith cause Cato says so, that it is positive. There is no way a 20 to 50K annual income earner pays for their children's education. My point is not that the people are bad, they are not, there are at least five billion people on the planet that would make good neighbors. Should we have open borders, especially in the fifth year of this economic problem? Cato's position extended, open borders grows economy?

[@doncourson]

I go to Cato and I can't find their analysis. They don't post a number. I suggest to you that a person making 50K a year won't pay taxes enough for an average of 2.5 kids in school. That importing lower wage workers on the whole is not a good idea. Your response seems to be faith. Faith that open borders will create much growth. And it might add growth (.1% is more) but not cover the cost of services provided. Both can be true.

[@kubaniski]

The fact that the economy benefits from a rise in the supply of cheap labor is not under debate, it does. However Don's point is that as a nation suffering from unemployment we should not import more people and thus crowd out lower class native born out of the labor market and onto welfare. The Heritage paper's point is that the outputs that the new immigrants add to the economy do not cover the costs of the services and wealth transfers that the state will provide to them.

[@dylanthornsberry8778]

"nearly 100 pages" LMAO.

[@maggot1111666]

Immigration does not cause unemployment.

[@particleman5893]

yes it does, and emigration increases employment too. I thought conservatives were supposed to believe in supply and demand.

[@maggot1111666]

@@particleman5893 increasing supply of labor may reduce pay in the short term depending on who is coming in, but you also may bring in job creator immigrants too. there used to 100 million people in the united states. now there are 300 million. are 200 million people out of jobs? no, because a lot of those people brought skills with them or created jobs with a small business or whatever. that is a very extreme example, but it shows that population does not relate to employment.

[@particleman5893]

@@maggot1111666 there's no country on the planet called immigrasia where all the immigrants come from. The ones we're getting now are not the same ones as we were getting pre-1965, and the new ones are shit.

[@maggot1111666]

@@particleman5893 a claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

[@maggot1111666]

All of the issues you named were a result of government interfering with the market, immigrants might worsen those problems, but they are not the source. Historical evidence also disproves the idea that immigrants depress wages.

[@johnhendon5939]

you are obviously not a libertarian.

[@maggot1111666]

Open borders grows economy is a fact. There are many reasons for this and evidence that supports it. Look up Ben Powell, he is correct whether you want to except it or not.

[@BlackPantherrStudios]

educational video

[@maggot1111666]

History: From 1850-1920 we had about 30 million new immigrants. At the same time wealth, wages, standard of living, GDP, grew at an unprecedented level. The only difference today is that we've gone from the freest country in the world across the board to the 9th (and 18th on economy). How would immigrants effect the country? I dunno, but immigration does nothing but good for the market.

[@jh299110]

We are a half socialist country now. That's what we as American people have fucked up on now. But it's easier to blame immigrants...

[@UTubekookdetector]

One point in Cato's favor (I am not in favor of amnesty),after reading some of the back-and-forth from the 2 sides is the fact that we already have gobs of freeloaders legally-here. Both sides agree that govt is too big & it redistributes $ at an alarming pace. So perhaps immigration (legal & non) isn't the crux of the matter? We had a higher % of immigrants here in the 1920s, but they didn't have the option of freeloading, whether they "deserved" it or not.

[@i_am_thebatman]

I want to see Alex Nowrasteh debate Ben Shapiro, I don’t agree with him but he is shrewd and extremely sharp.