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[@MrSirocko]

Lost ark doesnt try to protect you, it tries to wreck you. It has 3 modes, no life, swipe or not playing at all

[@gravitum5119]

That swipe mode is definitely not happening in the in-game store though

[@tomstone123]

The game doesn't even let you no life it though, in fact the more you play the game the more you actually fall behind just playing 6 characters. I'll give you my perspective as a no lifer in the game. You only have 18 gold earning raid each week, you can get through that surprisingly fast. I used to do all my dailies, raids, and then do raids for fun on my non gold earning alts. But after a while I realized I was just wasting time and gold honing and upgrading my non gold earning alts, as they are taking resources away from my main 6 gold earning characters. That's when I actually started playing a 2nd roster instead. Now I play 12 gold earning characters on 2 rosters. I personally wish they removed the 6 gold earning limit.

[@truhalos]

I think something that would help a lot with Lost Ark is changing from 3 raids per char down to 2 raids per char and just rebalance gold given per raid.

[@shlumper7336]

For lost ark I've always suggested that the amount of gold earning characters should be reduced to 3 instead of 6 and SG should adjust the gold so it matches the same as 6 and also keep the same system where if you do raids on all of your gold earners then non gold earners get bonus loot for free. Besides the p2w factor, one of if not the biggest complaint about LOA is that it feels like a job which can defiantly feel as such when you have 6 gold earners along with their dallies. I personally feel that 3 gold earning is much healthier all around because 1, The amount of raids you have to knock out is cut in half which is much more reasonable for a lot of people and they can actually get most if not all of their raids done. 2, it can HOPEFULLY help reduces some of the high standard/ Gatekeep in party finders because they can actually get their raids done without blitzing them all out within 1 to 2 days (There are many factors that lead to gatekeeping and this will not solve it completely but I believe it could help). 3, as I said it is much healthier for the game and more importantly for the player because LOA is very prone to burn out and the 18 raids you have to do is definitely a contributing factor. The last point would the overall feel of progression within the game. Many times you will hear "don't fomo" or "play at your own pace" which is 100% true, follow those rules and your will have a much better time with the game. But if you played this game long enough you would know it still kinda sucks if you do that because in the back of some people minds they know that they are missing out on a chunk of their gold and mats if they were to do lets say 3-4 characters raids instead of all 6. This next statement is me speaking in a personal preference, but doing 3 gold earner characters seems much better for the reasons I stated above but also it would feel that if I do raids on a 4th character that I'm not doing it because I have to for the gold and mats but because I want to do the raids on them because I enjoy the class. Many people kinda get stuck where they have a character they don't enjoy as much but can't drop it because they are to high ilvl and a gold earner and I truly believe reducing the amount of gold earners to 3 would let players actually play the characters that they WANT to play and treat alts as such.

[@shlumper7336]

Also Love the vids COT TEE!

[@s.a4034]

I couldn't undrestand one word of orginal creator !!

[@czekskii]

Devs need to remove pain points and friction that feels/is perceived as unhealthy regardless of the source. Otherwise they become quit moments for players. With LA for me personally; I was super pumped for Theamine. Just doing on normal as I was not sweating the farm at that point. Get to gate 2, wipe to the body check 3-4 times and haven't touched raids since, and just log in to do event stuff. Feeling unfairly punished because I don't know what players in PF are terrorists just became too much for me to enjoy the game. W Solo raiding.

[@rc8929]

And what is worse is Theamine power gain is locked behind hard mode clear and if you buy that bus (100k gold right now) you then have about 6 months of normal mode farming to get full transcendence.

[@czekskii]

@@rc8929 that sounds horrible

[@rc8929]

It is more the developer needs to ensure the game isn’t predatory. I think back to World of Warcraft vanilla with how addictive that was due to some core designs (40 man raids, VERY limited good loot, pvp grind from hell, long travel times for content). In their first expansion pvp was fixed for the grind, 40 man raids went to 10/25 and loot was more plentiful with pity systems (badges), and epic flying for travel. The above is what developers should do.

[@Spineripper63]

Vanilla WoW was the most casual MMO. I played from day 1 to the end in Classic. We would raid 1 maaaybe 2 nights a week for 2-4 hours total a week. It was great! We cleared the newest raid and then didn't log on for 6 days if we didn't want to. Best game ever. The PvP grind was dumb as hell. I'll give you that.

[@rc8929]

@@Spineripper63I just think BC made the game more accessible and thus easier to play/get a group together. But Vanilla WoW overall was extremely chill for when it released in the MMO genre.

[@zarinessan2089]

Actual facts. No changes was dumb as hell!

[@emmusing]

Imagine throwing away our weekend to do raids haha.... couldnt be me.... haha!

[@Kikooo]

Smilegate 🤝 Predatory games

[@1NabbinatoR]

i checked how my friend was doing, and while he was still stuck in gate 2 thaemine because som bozo failed 8 counter in a row (nice design mec xdxd brelshaza g5 flaw) in those two hour i already grinded kakul 3K gold from 3 different alt roster account for a total ammount of 9K but again what's the reward to sweat in thaermine g2? xD 2 bad, something is wrong calibrated then? but instead of buffing thearmine gold and new legion in general. let's nerf old gold legion raid futher so we fk new players. we always do this for you guys to protect yourself!

[@1NabbinatoR]

first minute of video and is already a bad take, in the sense that if their goal was truly only about protecting ourselves they will have understand that locking legion raid to six where you can simply create another account exploiting the express pass free engraving kinda defeat the purpose of the initial limitation in place. (but they don't even play the game so how they know) the truth is that they simple at best hoped that the player would get tired of doing the story all over again and would not so engage in this alt roster behavior, but here is the catch dear korean developers, the thing is that right now doing an alt roster is much more profitable than stick with the base program so maybe next time when u calibrate your game, 1) don't make new end game raid too hard 2) don't make the gold reward miserable 3) don't put so many stacking system behind it to avoid gatekeeping, why raise another alt if it cost 2 much, i will just make an alt roster account and get to 1600 for free. the problem with this game is that indeed there are hidden evil intention behind everything they do, because some solution, exist. like hiding the card set profile instead of debating to remove it or not. so new player don't get gatekeep for a kayangel normal and veteran player don't get mad that card got removed and 2 year time disrespected. but no. i noticed that they often prefer to sell half or broken solutions. or to split the community riot so they don't have to make a change. maybe is convenient to what goal, i refuse to think that i'm the smartest and they suck, they have huge team of psychologist behind games nowadays. hehe can't be a coincidence the way some thing work.. they way some thing are priced, they way they are designed. are we sure they are not intentional flaws? thin foil hat sure sure

[@faint1346]

i personally just run static hard mode raids on my main. and my alts just pug without any issues

[@chriso6042]

That wow pvp sounds terrible.. why didn't people just play daoc