CBF Blockers DON’T MAKE SENSE: The Nullscapes Controversy (Geometry Dash 2.2)

CBF Blockers DON’T MAKE SENSE: The Nullscapes Controversy (Geometry Dash 2.2) (Clicks Between Frames Mod) (Geometry Dash Drama)
recently nullscapes was verified by Zoink, and it is a top 3 hardest extreme demon in geometry dash. one small issue, huge drama controversy thing, because the creator put a clicks between frames blocker in the extreme demon and was annoying about it on twitter, chaos insues, and then i yap about it. im really getting tired of the cbf drama guys. anyways, Thanks So Much For Watching!
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[@zedrikk2742]

This drama is fucking ridiculous. I can’t run levels like bloodlust with good fps on certain sections and cbf is a life saver for me cause it makes the first ship actually playable while recording runs. It’s the definition of leveling the playing field entirely (y’all see that guy who did the first wave in tidal wave on mobile?) and it’s stupid that it’s even controversial at all

[@wavix]

yeah, adding cbf to the main game would literally be an almost unanimously popular decision, but if that never happens we just have permanent drama like this basically

[@zedrikk2742]

To add to this, it’s the same with fps bypass. It leveled the playing field a bit for players who couldn’t buy higher refresh rate monitors. This mod does the exact same thing but for people with lower end rigs, which I’d say is even better than what fps bypass did.

[@elion4245]

Have you not deleted the moon? It's perfectly fine to do so and ldm like that is acceptable in pointercrate (quick messaging random moderator should be enough)

[@zedrikk2742]

I’m the type of guy to want to beat every level I play full detail. I never liked the fact all the levels I’ve practiced had to be done in ldm, even with the visual clarity.

[@zedrikk2742]

The moon isn’t the only thing that bricks my fps tho but it is a major one. Recording my runs through the extension always had frame drops and lag spikes

[@EhtesamUddinPrince]

Wavix's bank account after CBF started existing: 📈📈📈📈📈

[@wavix]

i’ll have to spend it all on medical bills after i get an aneurysm from following everything tho 😭

[@GDAccelerate]

Wavix bank account once Grief gets verified and the largest rate controversy since Tidal Wave happens: 📈📈📈📈📈

[@AydenAndGo]

@@wavix ok

[@zhiqiangchen6235]

Guys what if wavix made cbf so he can get money

[@OptexPsykotic]

​@@wavixI just play with 742 fps (it's the most I can hit)

[@contentfilter6277]

The only reason I can kind of think of is that the verifier of every top demon will be required to not use CBF, but then everyone else that goes to beat it is allowed to. It seems kind of unfair for the verifier to go through an experience that is much harder than victors of the level.

[@elion4245]

Verifiers already usually have much more difficult experience psychologically than victors afterwards. I am curious what happens if the level is verified with cbf, but is beaten without it by someone later. Like zodiac xander cheating = tech verifier, or space cheating = doggie verifier. It could work the same way..

[@bloodreptil]

I mean, its kinda fair tbh. Not for lower end extremes but for top 10 extremes. CBF allows for clicks that are normally physically impossible.

[@oilgraphics]

@@bloodreptil did you misread it he said that the verifier has to NOT use cbf

[@kaydacant]

@@oilgraphics they're arguing that it's fair because otherwise they could introduce jumps that are impossible without CBF

[@bloodreptil]

He said its unfair. I said its fair. Its stupid, but still fair.​@@oilgraphics

[@darthmauve]

im going to click between all of the frames

[@GPR_GD]

ahhhh

[@prod_zeekiel]

No don’t do it :despair:

[@tgkisnotreal]

NOOOOOOO

[@Sepi-chu_loves_moths]

You can click between my frames 😏

[@Sepi-chu_loves_moths]

@@desmeon ok buddy i dont need to tell you hes a minor, bait used to be believable

[@T4ngi]

Grief is gonna be a whole nother story lol

[@prod_zeekiel]

Fr lmao

[@Gleiverx5]

X about to go wild 💀

[@kadelrohdri7898]

Idk doggie is on stream 80 I'm getting paranoid this might not get verified

[@LoginGD]

@@kadelrohdri7898it’s a really hard level

[@tupanar4o]

⁠@@kadelrohdri7898Chill this is a top 1, it’s normal. I thought that he is gonna be verifying this for years. I’m surprised that he has that good of a progress.

[@rixbyte7438]

grief verification with cbf is gonna hit the gd community like crack in the 90s

[@jaleelatom8109]

*80s

[@trollska]

the 9/11 of gd

[@superyoshiparker8979]

This is probably going to cause a massive argument between the community

[@Zubzelok33]

friendly reminder that itzkiba is the same person that made hitboxes on this same level funny, just to see if mfs got mad by it

[@sameeknowsitall]

Didn’t zoink do that?

[@theactualmydoorfellintoperson]

He also refused to fix a 2.2 bug at the end of one of his levels just because he thought it was funny and so he had to be pressured by elder mods to fix it

[@Zubzelok33]

@@sameeknowsitall kiba told zoink to do that

[@sameeknowsitall]

@@Zubzelok33 got it

[@mldyfifi]

the funny hitboxes are not even bad and their purpose is to make you die faster when you fail. it doesn’t affect you at all lol

[@elliecantsleep]

instead of CBF why dont we just delete CBF? boom all drama fixed well why dont we just delete gd? then no more drama!

[@Gleiverx5]

Just delete X. and boom all drama is gone

[@NPTNEGD]

@@Gleiverx5 even better just delete the Internet and bam no more controversies

[@liminall]

Would just make people more mad, and it would get reuploaded.

[@nulleddddd]

@@liminallread full comment 🙏🙏

[@liminall]

@@nulleddddd some people actually believe it tho

[@fakeblast]

The thing i hate the most about this drama is that people dont understand that for CBF to be added into the game by Rob, the community need to popularize it, the community need to show rob that they want this in the game, by gatekeeping cbf and being strongly against it, people are just making rob take longer with it, he should be aware that the community and even people who dont use it would benefit from it Simple logic

[@deadsdeads]

yeah it's "cheating", but being a fool like this and shouting cbf bad all over the place just makes it look very bad. it should be added sooner

[@marshalltentis6709]

I think some people are forgetting how hard these levels are. I can't even fathom how someone beats a level like nullscapes or grief. In the end, CBF is just resolving a notorious hardware issue (FPS severly impacting gameplay) that has plagued the game since its inception and is making these inconceviably difficult levels slightly more achievable for the best players to ever touch the game. While it is cheating on paper, we are not the ones putting in upwards of 100,000 attempts and countless hours to verify a two minute geometry dash level. If it matters to a top player that their click registers between two frames of their 360 Hz monitor, I think we should all just chill out about it and give them this small advantage.

[@everybodyisnobody9538]

I feel like with the cbf blocker almost no one is going to play Nullscapes.

[@muridayo5006]

Chef

[@everybodyisnobody9538]

@@muridayo5006 oh lol, I meant cbf

[@quaxx]

chef blocker

[@prod_zeekiel]

chef blocker

[@yesntlol]

@@quaxx nobody's cooking 😥

[@triqure]

I love CBF! Right now, I have to play on a shitty 2013 laptop and I can play all the levels I used to on my god PC, literally no skill difference. Shame that it’s blocked in this level.

[@bloodreptil]

it was removed from nullscapes btw

[@prod_zeekiel]

@@bloodreptilYES

[@triqure]

@@bloodreptil damn

[@jaleelatom8109]

How many frames do you play on?

[@triqure]

@@jaleelatom8109 60

[@ThiefOfTheMoon]

Why is the CBF controversy not fully contained in the top player community. No one outside of it is affected in any significant way. It is quite petty.

[@Calamity994]

mobile players and low refresh rate users are impacted a lot

[@necrolord5799]

bunch of kiddies who think they have the moral high ground because they beat one extreme demon without cbf and want to flaunt it

[@fakeblast]

​@@Calamity994 there is literally cbf for mobile already.

[@dareal_roizy]

@@fakeblaststill not for android, and for ios its paid

[@fakeblast]

@@dareal_roizy ok so gatekeep everyone else because the only playerbase who never really had any relevance in top play whatsoever feel like they are in a disadvantage even if rob himself said he will add cbf eventually to the game officially

[@EpicPotatoesGMD]

8:07 Wavix couldn't hold back.

[@SHGD.GrandM]

Degenerocity mensioned

[@AdyaGD]

this is probably the funniest drama in this community lmao

[@memesong21]

i think the acheron ufo click was funnier

[@AdyaGD]

@@memesong21 yeah u right lol

[@Blahblah-bw2fu]

Yoo it's the pro morrocan player

[@ids.]

1:23 i legitimately thought that this edit was actually apart the level

[@tmtsps12]

Lmao

[@JustanotherF3]

It should be

[@exiled_shadegd]

This drama is just ridiculously annoying. I’ve always been for CBF but both sides have been super super annoying. Twitter is annoying just to look at, not just to interact with people in

[@TheHENOOB]

Thankfully my whole countey got banned out of it 🎉🎉

[@aftershokke]

@@TheHENOOB thanks for doxxing urslef, im now approaching your house in Brazil at a speed of mach 17

[@cynical411]

I love when creators gatekeep difficulty :)

[@prod_zeekiel]

I hate it >:(

[@Voxelgd]

@@prod_zeekiel they were being sarcastic

[@prod_zeekiel]

@@Voxelgd ik

[@crypticchrome7488]

If people were more into CBT than CBF none of this drama would exist.

[@rraaiin]

click between ticks

[@villss894]

Why not just use both (this will have no bugs)

[@Zovori]

I personally use CBF because it makes me enjoy the game more, and I genuinely do not understand the hate of the mod. I understand Kiba not wanting people to beat Nullscapes while using the mod as I can see why people see it as cheating. Either way the drama is fucking stupid like almost every other GD drama

[@thefunnydoge]

How did Kiba think that putting a cbf blocker in a literal top 5 timing based type level with an arrogant message telling you to turn it off was a good idea? In what world?

[@nocrushify274ca]

because he wants to, duh =))))) its his lvl and u cant do anything about it

[@thefunnydoge]

@@nocrushify274ca It’s his level that people shit on cause of the cbf blocker

[@GamingForeverEpic]

@@nocrushify274cayeah but we can shit on him.

[@nocrushify274ca]

@@GamingForeverEpic i aint gonna do it even with or without CBF, i wont be able to beat that lvl so it doesn't really bothers me and also its his level, even if u shit on him it wont change anything lol

[@p8geons233]

GD players when they actually have to play the game legitimately:

[@GPR_GD]

wavix please stop lying 0:22

[@luisf1234-gaming]

Is that who I think it is?

[@GPR_GD]

@@luisf1234-gaming maybe…possibly

[@zkam900]

Level ​@@GPR_GD

[@aftershokke]

Mods like CBF and Platformer saves should be in the base game honestly

[@GamingForeverEpic]

Yes

[@mainframe1608]

Its going to be real awkward if robtop adds his own click between frames and kiba has to beg zoink to reverify an update of the level without the cbf blocker

[@zhiqiangchen6235]

No he won’t; removing a few triggers that does nothing without using cbf is not going to result in a reverification

[@memesong21]

you know for a fact rob's version is going to be inferior in every way

[@Decen36]

1:59 another reason could be that cbf can be kinda buggy; in colons level ziplash and some others you can literally get stuck inside walls and also there was that whole double jump fiasco around a month ago.

[@fluno5652]

If this is what happens with Nullscapes then the Grief verification is gonna get more controversial than US politics

[@Lil_NoobieGMD]

Ok guys THIS DRAMA needs to stop now, Im a ios player and have never used cbf before, I myself am neutral about this drama and if you use cbf fine by me if you dont also fine, We need to stop this pointless drama ASAP!!! PLEASE DONT SEND HATE TO ANYONE JUST DONT

[@Sepi-chu_loves_moths]

Isn't cbf on icreate now? Correct me if im wrong

[@Mister_mic_microwave]

@@Sepi-chu_loves_mothsI create costs money. Most of use don’t have money or don’t wanna spend it on gd (again)

[@Sepi-chu_loves_moths]

@@Mister_mic_microwave that is a shame yeah. still much better than having people spend thousands of moneys on a good pc to be able to play well (which is the only thing you could do if cbf was blocked), but not ideal

[@Mister_mic_microwave]

@@Sepi-chu_loves_moths well most people aren’t buying a pc just to get better at gd

[@abiltyprepixelmonrehberler2026]

yes but iCreate cbf is more like Click on step, it makes precision like 120hz on 60hz ios devices@@Sepi-chu_loves_moths

[@Bingusrl]

Bro you break down every possible argument on Twitter so well, making it easy to understand. Good job

[@The-RealCosmic]

I feel like this could have been avoided if ItzKiba made the alert more polite and made players aware of why they want the experience to be the same for everyone. Instead, we got "Turn CBF, loser", The drama isn't from the blocker in my eyes, it's the way it was put out into the world. But to be honest, I couldn't care less about CBF thing. I DO care about the whole "You can't play the level in practice mode". Like why can't I practice the level if I want, practicing is not cheating?

[@fernando4959]

so real. If it just says cbf detected it would attract way less backlash. Still controversial but at least it doesn't (re)start with open insult also is anti-practice a thing? how?

[@The-RealCosmic]

@@fernando4959 If you practice it, you van only get to Nullscapes (Not Shardscapes) when a big saw kills you.

[@zhiqiangchen6235]

@@The-RealCosmicthat happens in normal mode as well. There are bugs with it and some practice mode mods though

[@usedtissue7489]

if kamala legalizes cbf i would absolutely vote for her ngl

[@paolarei4418]

This isn't about politics, this is about GDolitics

[@MasySlz]

Well I had an interesting opinion until my browser crashed fucking got rid of everything I was saying >:( Anyways, dorami buffing the level slightly for cbf players is 100% justified so that all players are on the same difficulty level (handled infinitely better than nullscapes). I allows those who like the mod to still enjoy playing with it, but not gain an advantage with it.

[@f1d248]

its ridiculous that a mod that fixes the whole problem with different framerates that the game has had for 10 years is having surrounding controversy. Robtop has no reason not to implement it because it dissolves the barrier between every single player playing the game because everyone would have the same experience and just like other games the only area affected is your fps.

[@aidyy10]

I absolutely love how this has become a meme at the same time as a controversy, people are photoshopping the CBF blocker message into random games and other stuff just like the Dash spider and Devil Vortex saws previously and I am all here for it

[@emilski3453]

Honestly, until Robtop adds cbf into the game, cbf blockers are (imo) really valid. The level was verified without cbf, so it's fair that it is beaten without it too, if the creator wishes so. I think Kiba (especially looking at the previous nullscapes "hitbox controversy") just likes trolling people on twitter, and i must admit that it is quite funny seeing a whole fleet of 10 years old argue about it. Personally, I'm not a cbf opposer, I use it myself (not like it makes much difference on low-mid range extremes), but if the creator wishes to have it NOT used in his level, just let him do so, no "drama" is needed on it. Complaining about every single possible thing imaginable is just a characteristic of the GD community atp.

[@GamingForeverEpic]

If I verify a level on 3 fps, does that mean everyone else should have to play it on 3 fps as well? No? Of course not, because that’s stupid. Nobody should have to play the same way the verifier did, because it legitimately makes the game worse for some people. Mobile players can’t play like zoink did, so does that mean if a mobile player beats nullscapes, their record is invalid because they didn’t play it the same way zoink (the verifier) did?

[@GamingForeverEpic]

Also, just because he is justified in adding the cbf blocker, doesn’t mean he is exempt from any criticism on it or hate.

[@alfredd56]

​@@GamingForeverEpicIf a fair amount of the difficulty comes from you playing it on 3 fps, and that was the base fps the game ran on and not a modification, then, yes, everyone else should have to beat it on 3 fps too. Geometry Dash is not a game that natively runs on 3 fps, so your first point is just flawed to begin with. Also, no, that would not make the record invalid because I'm pretty sure that Kiba is not trying to force people beating the level the way Zoink did, he is trying to stop people from beating it with mods to the game. There is a very big difference between those.

[@GamingForeverEpic]

@@alfredd56 zoink doesn’t play the game entirely vanilla either.

[@alfredd56]

@@GamingForeverEpic really? I didn't know that. Please elaborate.

[@Necro-s]

Wavix, I feel like at around 3:30 music is a bit too loud and makes the yapping a bit hard to distinguish. It could be just me but If anyone agrees with me on this then uhh idk reply

[@thepersonwhoasked9475]

6:55 it's too late we have the rating system

[@averagejoe8167]

Majority of the people being vocal of their distain of the blocker aren’t even good enough to beat it in the first place. People just want any excuse to get mad/hate.

[@nniftyyx]

Wait, if CBF is cheating because not everyone has access to it, and the people without access to it are mostly mobile players, then why add a CBF blocker on a level a mobile player can't beat?

[@VividlyNight]

exactly bro, it’s so stupid

[@lessgenericname]

glad to finally see a nuanced take on this

[@Nova_TwT]

Kiba just seems obsessed with trying to prove that he’s morally superior to everyone else for some strange reason

[@tomascosta9237]

In my opinion the cbf blocker on nullscapes wasn't a bad idea. It was added because zoink had to verify the level without cbf, and he wanted the other players to go through what he went through to beat it and get a record on pointercrate. If you want your record on the demonlist beat it without cbf like zoink, if you don't care about your stats on pointercrate and like using cbf just beat it on a copyable without the cbf blocker. The blocker doesn't stop you from playing the level, it just determines if you care more about the demonlist record or about having fun. I'm not very active on twitter so I don't know much more about this drama, but the only problem I see with it are people complaining/arguing about it and being total dicks against whoever has a different opinion. To conclude, most of these dramas wouldn't happen if the community just behaved correctly, so if you want to say something negative towards someone do yourself a favor and stfu. (sorry for the long text)

[@arthurnunes7559]

I think people are mad because of the arrogant message that kiba put in the level. Or not, idk idc

[@HiYouHavePolio]

people should just play levels they want because it's fun not for some virtual points

[@fornax985]

The demonlist allows cbf records

[@tomascosta9237]

​@@fornax985 but it probably won't allow cbf on lvls which have a cbf blocker

[@JustanotherF3]

@@arthurnunes7559yeh I'm more annoyed about that

[@captainb.mccrea5480]

Next we need a level that can only be completed while using CBF

[@parali30]

Bros acting like more than 10 people have enough skill to beat nullscapes 😭

[@Nova_TwT]

The Yangire has also had a cbf blocker added to it and Bianox has stated that they want to add one to Xodiac as well

[@sp_ce.]

Doesn’t CBF make gameplay more accurate, have more freedom and also level the playing field and raise the skill cap without taking away from natural difficulty? If anyone disagrees please tell me cause I wanna know what you think are the downsides.

[@p8geons233]

It makes the game far easier than it was ever intended to be, its practically cheating with the level of precision that it allows

[@KurumiRL]

​@@p8geons233I've used cbf on and off and it really does change nothing for me personally lol

[@fornax985]

Bugs sometimes happen but no other downsides

[@a05polzar]

I remember when I used it, I experienced some issues on levels with lots of moving objects. So I stopped using it for that reason, but I think it's better now. The levels are called Action by Lyal, EXHAUST, and Shrill Manor. Yeah, I know they are all Hard Demons, point and laugh. If I were to use CBF again, it would be for all levels. Not just the hard ones.

[@sp_ce.]

@@p8geons233 but doesn’t it make your clicks be able to be more precise. If your timing is right, should you not be rewarded for it? It’s easier but only because the difficulty was artificially inflated by frames, not because it makes you better at the game.

[@the_real_skateboard]

if robtop does not allow cbf then why did he originally allow players to go above 60fps to begin with it's literally the same effect, it makes the game smoother

[@tntblast500]

Because going above 60 was always possible in game? It's kinda hard to disallow something the game lets you do to begin with. Modifying how the game works however, is normally banned.

[@fernando4959]

robtop never intended for players to go above 60 fps. the goddamn physics is tied to framerate. if the game uses some form of deltatime instead, there would never be a controversy surrounding monitor difference also, times changed, "originally" here is like 2013, nowadays I believe the game has a set 240 (?) fps to run so everyone has the same physics I agree that it's the same effect. It makes the game smoother, but also affecting the gameplay slightly

[@tntblast500]

@@fernando4959 Just going to say, while some of the physics inconsistencies between framerates can be blamed on poor implementation, "just use deltatime" is not the solution lol. Geometry dash has always had movement based on deltatime, otherwise running 120fps would mean the game runs twice as quickly.

[@DreadCore_]

Going high FPS was a thing the game let you do. With an expensive external monitor mind you, but it was a function of the vanilla game.

[@baifor7]

3:49 nobody seems to understand this. it feels like half the discourse in this community is stunted by "they can do whatever they want they have the right" type arguments. its the ultimate thought terminating cliche and it plagues this game. usually it's because the people in question are actually doing something stupid and their defenders don't really wanna engage with the argument.

[@JamoPreferably]

You brought up a hilarious and also sad comparison about us politics and geometry dash, the dynamic is so similar its always a 2 sided argument

[@b-yl6kb]

The top player community is a mess 💀💀

[@srimattheuniverseshow]

Gd community is a mess😊

[@azul1458]

the thing about this is that people are complaining making it way worse than what it really is, they act like a cbf blocker will kill the level and stop people from playing it, which in fact might be true to a certain extent because how many people have beaten the top 10 list? the level gets famous, people will download the level and do a practice run and thats it look at tidal wave and see how many people have beaten it/doing progress compared to the number of downloads/likes the level has. At the end of the day, its your choice to use or not use cbf just like its the creators choice to put a cbf blocker in it

[@deleted-something]

This is the same stupid shit as when creators ban click patterns (like when mfs put invisible walls when you don’t click in the green orbs (half of the time they don’t work)) is just more important cuz we are talking to top players Is it a cheat btw fuck anyone who says that is not cheating until robtop adds it once and for all

[@SSuser-go7jm]

It’s equally as much of a cheat as fps bypass of before 2.2. That was allowed, I don’t see why this shouldn’t be for allowing people with worse computer hardware to compete.

[@deleted-something]

@@SSuser-go7jm yeah? Still a cheat, is it a good a cheat, yes, I personally have use cbf, and robtop should add it asap so people stop having drama over it, but that doesn’t not make it a cheat lol

[@ukulelebottom]

omg itzkiba on an alt insulting people with different opinions how cool!111!, I agree that cbf is cheating, but your hostility just shows a lot about your personality, more than you know.

[@wavix]

the point isn’t whether it’s cheating or not, the point should be that adding it to the game is a good idea and that fucking around on twitter insulting people is cringe

[@deleted-something]

@@wavix real af take

[@GnarpArt]

So people who cant even beat a level are getting mad about something that literally blocks something makes levels easier for victors?

[@GamingForeverEpic]

Cbf fixes a problem, yes, it makes levels easier, but it allows for lower fps players to play on a similar level to higher fps players.

[@zhiqiangchen6235]

Click on steps

[@magicallizard613]

1:51 PC players: better uninstall this game. Mobile players when ordering pc: DAD!!! CANCEL THE PC ORDER!!!

[@NitroForever-e1h]

The creator probably completely missed their goal because I and many others started using cbf only after seeing the blocker

[@GPR_GD]

lol that’s amazing

[@KawhiLowry]

I was NOT expecting the twitter JQ joke. W

[@gways5922]

The Clicks between friends controversy is CRAZY 🥶

[@fernando4959]

that is not what F stands for

[@JustanotherF3]

clicking between friends

[@Cicksavant]

C- Click B- Between F- Financial loss

[@zkam900]

c*m

[@redshifted_]

​@@zkam900you didn't have to bring that up

[@mogusman3]

Imo it's similar to Limbo blocking you from pausing. It's like the level is telling you to play by its rules. You have to beat it the cannon way. (Also no it's not different that this is a mod because it blocks people who have the extra tools some don't, instead of vise versa)

[@egfloggygoggy]

The fact that pretty much all this is happening on gd twitter lmao, im gonna forever stay as far away as I can from that place

[@xd3athclawx554]

cbf actually stands for "Cant be fucked"

[@TheIndispensableOpposition]

actually so true I just love tacking on another 5k to my attempt count because a tiny fps lagspike happened when I get far

[@zkam900]

I cbf

[@saturnYTper]

For me CBF is like fps bypass. Why do you consider it hacking? It's not like it beats the level for you and the mod is free so anyone can use it. It is especially useful on mobile with levels that lag a lot

[@DreadCore_]

Yeah but FPS bypass was to level the play field between people without 500 dollar monitors and 500 dollar monitors, CBF doesn't recreate any hardware-specific abilities.

[@villss894]

You're 1 year late because 2.2 *"fixes"* the physics but why did the fps bypasser did not get the hate

[@DreadCore_]

It equalized people with expensive hardware and people without expensive hardware. CBF doesn't equlize anything, nobody with any particular hardware gets any advantage when it comes to inputs.

[@villss894]

@@DreadCore_ thats a nice explanation

[@astorakino829]

The reason I could see some level needing CBF blocker is if your intention was to make a level of "X difficulty" - which you're allowed to do ; and you realise around the end of it that CBF kinda ruin the difficulty of some part then the blocker would be to keep the difficulty with possibly an incomming patch to take it into consideration What I do NOT agree with is being petty and an asshole about it - be respectful, that's like the easiest thing in the world

[@vitex198]

imo just don't be an asshole about whatever opinion you have I know that's not really a proactive stance to take but it keeps me both informed and sane

[@zeenoh5811]

by the way, there is a reason why Robtop hasn't just added the mod to the game. He explained it to a mod, i forgot who. but there are app store guidelines that make it very difficult to implement something like CBF on mobile, he has to code it from scratch. Also the existing CBF mod is buggy and not suitable to just be added straight to the game.

[@Poqqers]

why cant people just... use a copy without a cbf blocker?

[@gold3nappl3]

I’m not gonna lie, this drama is the funniest thing to come from the community in a long time, and I hope we get more like it because it’s very entertaining watching a bunch of kids argue about the cbf blocker in nullscapes recent comment section

[@Zegiomio]

i was originally anti CBF but than i remembered that we allowed fps bypass and any argument on my end just vanished

[@Zotato777]

Robtop didnt consider fps bypass cheating, but he consider CBF cheating. Big difference

[@Turtleblade]

I'm not anti cbf because I personally use it but I also thought that the fps bypass argument would work but it doesn't because fps bypass was allowed because people found a hardware work around to make it work while cbf is a software mod so it kind of doesn't work

[@GamingForeverEpic]

@@pompaczisn’t that technically patching an existing problem? Shouldn’t it be good that we can get far higher precision that we normally could? This is just the fps bypass argument all over again.

[@fornax985]

Zero fucks given about robtops opinion

[@k3so]

i like cbf, but if it's not in the base game, it's cheating, all levels should be possible without cbf. I'd like robtop to put it in the game, benefits everyone, it would finally end the drama.

[@GamingForeverEpic]

Are you saying using any mods is cheating?

[@k3so]

@@GamingForeverEpic only mods that modify the gameplay

[@jrirch2089]

I agree that cbf is a cheat, but doesn’t mean it’s a bad one

[@princesslizzy999]

Considering getting CBF after this video.

[@samuelefront9901]

I'll try to be respectful but definitely very critical. I play on a 60 Hz laptop which struggles to run even 100 FPS on some levels. In 2.1 I used 60 FPS and tps bypass which allowed me to play without much lag. Before 2.2 we thought that the physics would have been the same regardless of your fps so I thought I was going to be fine on 60 but as we all know that was not the case. In 2.2 in fact tps are locked but since your inputs are polled depending on your fps, 60 fps still feel like old 60 fps even on 240 tps. Even physics bypass doesn't do anything if you aren't able to match your tps with your fps. Great decision mr Rob! As a result I (and who knows how many others) got screwed. Cbf was quite literally a life saver. I don't think a better mod has ever been made for this game. So when kiba calls cbf users "losers" he is calling losers people who don't own a 2k dollars setup basically. I think the one to blame, rather than people who use cbf, is the one that despite 2.2 optimizations, despite 64 bits, despite everything still can't make his game run properly to save his life. I would also like to point out that my laptopt isn't even that bad, I have been able to run games with decent graphics without any trouble. Gd is quite literally the only thing I play that runs like dogshit. I couldn't care less if a programmer tells me that the expedients I have to take to loop around the flaws of his game are cheating. Fix the game and I won't use them anymore. If you aren't able to then hire someone who can with all the money you have made. Why in just a few months of Geode's existence people have made things that are better than what Rob has made in years? Why can't he just hire a team of developers? Why doesn't he just buy the rights of code that has existed for years and is bug free instead of making his own noclip for instance that breaks with slopes lmao? I don't get it. And no one talks about mobile players, for them cbf is even more important. Add cbf on mobile and in a few months we would see people beating Tartarus, guaranteed. Why do they have to play a significantly worse version of the game? About Kiba, looking at his 2 stars with extreme demon coins, I think he is that one guy with great social skills who makes jokes in public and then he is the only one who laughs at them.

[@RandomC22]

Can't wait for 2.207 with some weird changes that makes the CBF blocker trigger by default making a level with it literally impossible

[@neoncat6820]

0:51 honestly I wish this mod got more popularity. Most people praise CBF because it "levels the playing field" but in reality a lot of people are using it just to make levels even easier. This mod on the other hand ACTUALLY levels the playing field, making your inputs the same as if you had a fast PC, but not any better if you already do. I think if this mod got more attention, the CBF controversy would be a lot less.

[@Endrju1673]

guess whosback is from without me, houdini just used the iconic bars as the intro

[@zander12]

Every time I'm gone from the community for a while and I come back, there's some new drama happening. This community really cannot just enjoy the game without something controversial happening, lmao.

[@JarmezGD]

I respect your fairly balanced take on this

[@fatnerd9985]

I think the problem with CBF (i personally like it, i use it) is that polling rate is different on different devices. More expensive devices still have higher polling rates than cheaper ones. So it's still a gear advantage, but so is a high refresh rate monitor. Rob's not gonna completely lock the game to 60fps because some people don't have monitors above 60hz. But in his case I guess he has to set the baseline for the game, so CBF being an uneven experience on different devices may or may not be a bad thing, to him at least. Personally I would add it though because it still does make it easier for everyone, just to varying degress.

[@ShortNinjaa]

welcome back to edition #359 of gd players having a mental breakdown about a level 99% of them aren’t good enough to attempt anyway

[@Mickgzmes]

I just don’t get why people hate on it like it’s so stupid😂

[@superyoshiparker8979]

So not only is this bad, mobile players not only don’t have access to cbf, but the in game fbs bypass isn’t available.

[@RealRoid]

Ah yes finally a sequel to my beloved 2017 fps bypass drama time goes, but people don't get smarter

[@Zenux09]

So for those who don’t know Kiba made a response and it does say why he added a blocker. Please do not give hate to wavix because this response came out after the video was already uploaded. Pretty much he had a difficult situation to make. #1 Allow zoink to verify it with cbf which risks the level not getting rated. #2 not allow zoink to verify with cbf but make zoink uncomfortable because every other player would have an easier time then he did. So for kiba a cbf blocker seemed like a smart choice it made the playing field even for the verifier and allowed the level to get a rate.

[@xX_Overweight_Xx]

Instead of a message when CBF detected it should bring you to a evil jerker cart secret room

[@Thesoulofpros]

I can see both sides. On one hand, Robtop doesn't rate levels that use CBF. On the other hand, Kiba could've just left it on, and Zoink could have verified it using no CBF. But on the other other hand, this community just makes big deals out of small things for the sake of controversy.

[@Aiden_and_Co]

ok hear me out........ robtop shouldnt add cbf to the actual game. And thats coming from someone who uses cbf. Here's why: The way it would be implemented would be weird. The game physics/refresh rate or whatever cbf changes would either have to change as a whole, or be an unlock-able in a shop (or a setting but that doesnt really make sense). I think that levels verified with cbf should be rated, but i dont think adding it to the game would be as simple as youre making it out to be.

[@Aiden_and_Co]

@Suzifti 1. no, i dont wanna have to grind for that as a feature. 2. you underestimate the community 3. I agree with everything in three

[@sharksurcool]

I want Grief to get rated but I'm afraid it won't until a non CBF player steps in

[@firebro74]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if newer list levels have cbf blockers just for the hell of it, either because the creator is against it or just because they want to make people mad. The ladder seems like something that would happen in the future ngl lol

[@Sapphire-Neon]

The main point I don't understand is how people can argue that CBF is cheating in the same vein as things like speedhack and noclip. The reason it makes the game easier is because it makes it more fair, and the fact that it's by definition cheating doesn't mean it's anywhere near the same as using traditional "cheats."

[@fernando4959]

I believe the 2 main argument is that it "changes the game behavior" and "it's not vanilla". I don't believe anyone actually argue it's like speedhack and noclip (or botting), they're probably just exaggerating not sure about the first (I am not an expert, idek how cbf actually registers input between physics calculation frame) but basically it's similar to 144hz monitors that alters the gameplay. Potential argument here is that it makes the game easier, especially for top players. Sure for players like me higher Hz doesn't make Decode easier, but at the top where the gap gets smaller, any modification matters the 2nd is probably why it continued being controversial. The idea is that cbf is not legitimately achievable. FPS bypass is technically doable by buying expensive monitors, but the hack skips the buying part. There is no legitimate setup that enables cbf in vanilla. Potential argument here is that cbf-verified levels could become unplayable in vanilla due to irregular click timing (similar to Silent Clubstep's 8 Jumps of Hell issue before the update) do I stand by these points? kinda. I do like the idea that a random player with a decent setup can play top demons without using any mods, but that ain't me. Again, these mods aren't gamebreaking enough for me to feel the difference

[@DreadCore_]

Couldn't that argument also apply to speedhack since it gives me more frames to hit an input and that's our definition of fair?

[@imarandomperson761]

Finally I'm not the only one noticing the similarities between GD controversies and political arguments on Twitter

[@exiled_shadegd]

A lot of people have. Coincidentally, it feels like it became like this when Elon Musk took over

[@imarandomperson761]

@@exiled_shadegd Twitter breeds this kind of behavior and especially since Elon took over, so I'm not surprised

[@nobodysever2949]

I always compare CBF to the 60hz vs 144hz thing. 144hz have a HUGE advantage, but no one complains about it. But when people use CBF there’s a problem, even tho in essence it’s like a monitor with more frames. Another point I’d like to make is with MegaHack. If you have a low hertz monitor, you can set the TPS higher which makes it act like a higher hertz monitor without adding any frames. It literally lets you click between frames. And there’s no limit to how high you can set the TPS. But no one complains about that either.

[@ColeKern-l3d]

i think that it should be allowed, because it helps raise the difficulty ceiling, and that means more insane and absurdly hard levels, which, in my eyes, makes it more fun.

[@oooこんにちは]

Take plain chips, add your favorite instant ramen flavour, mix it and it will be amazing

[@gmdmashups]

about this situation. the author of the level most likely does not like the fact that other people can just download the CBF mod and make their lives easier when others have to update monitors, keyboard /mouse for a more comfortable game. But he expressed it quite toxically in the nullscapes, and twitter kids (zoink target subs) started this whole conflict

[@GamingForeverEpic]

What “others” that have to update their mouse and keyboard, can’t just get geode and Install cbf?

[@gmdmashups]

@@GamingForeverEpic then why do you think people buy monitors with higher hz?

[@gmdmashups]

@@GamingForeverEpic what does the mouse and keyboard have to do with it? for a good game, of course, you can buy custom keys of a comfortable size for finger, they are not as expensive as monitors, do you at least understand the theme in ORDER TO ANSWER ME DUDEEEEEEE??????????

[@gmdmashups]

@@GamingForeverEpic and yes, I myself am the owner of a 144 hz monitor, and I hate that people can just download a mod and think that they are good when they should generally play at their usual game level, and not jump out of their capabilities in this way

[@Giraffleger]

I agree that it helps Kiba prove the verification wasn't done on cbf (for Robtop), but a better long term solution would be a watermark instead of the complete block like the framerate based one on Final Fantasy by icedcave

[@KurumiRL]

Maybe like something at the completion screen that would say you used cbf.

[@Oronaps]

I think CBF is fine as long as you clarify that you're using it. It you see someone that is not trying to hide that they're using the mod, stop downplaying their accomplishments by calling it cheating and go do something actually worth your time.

[@Pasacts173]

What if CBF got modified by the original creator to work on IOS? Would that make RobTop change his mind about rating levels with CBF? That could be a topic possibly.

[@monstergamer5467]

cbf is already on ios, it is limited by input polling rate however so it is still has much less of an effect than on pc

[@rodmentor9601]

This would all be resolved if only verified levels could be done with CBF and not something only the victors after the verifier could do because RobTop be like hey guys, CBF? big no-no, no rate for you!

[@LoganSutton-w6n]

I dont understand how having the game respond more accurately when you click is cheating.

[@Armarilloo]

Can we not have CBF drama for once?

[@FizzyFanta]

i've used some form of responsivity enhancing tool since 2016 back when your only option was mgostIH's sketchy framerate program, and i've never understood people's problems. the whole philosophy of this game is to push the human limit as much as possible, so why are people opposed to programs/mods that make the game more accurate to the inputs? i really do think that in a game and community that's dedicated to the human limit, things that reduce the non-human impact should be celebrated

[@itsesafgd]

I may be among the last to beat a list demon one day with just vanilla GD (I will be trying Congregation without vsync probably, but my ultimate goal is Zodiac)

[@krissbm4611]

Oh boy, and this is just CBF. Imagine when Grief gets verified, I'll wait patiently my Wavix yapp sension 🔥🔥🔥🔥