Evidence found that man was not the first being to master fire

[@SynthwaveDuck]

Congratulations to Lee Berger, Keneiloe Molopyane and their whole team. Great commitment, great discoveries!

[@intermodus2180]

1. Could have been scorch marks from anywhere. 2. Pre-Humans are still Human. 3. Wild Speculation does not a Discovery Make. 4. Have a Magical Day.🦊🚬

[@demonking-pk3by]

@@intermodus2180 are you also someone who believes out of bilions of planets earth is the only one that was capable of life?

[@intermodus2180]

@@demonking-pk3by a little off topic, but you asked Soo nicely. I'm a Fan of Star Trek...so I assume, the possibilities are endless. I'm of the mind, that it's old news, and the reason why it's not openly accepted, is because, "we were made in his image", but if another sentient lifeform had a civilization on another planet... religion, here on E-yarth might suddenly feel less special and fabricated. And on this planet, "ppl" are barely able to control themselves, when they think they're *IN* his sight. That's my take on the likelihood of extra-Terrestrial life. I hope that satisfied your curiosity.🦊🚬

[@TuneyDarko]

@@intermodus2180 human is mostly used towards homosapien and that’s why we have the same human

[@TuneyDarko]

@@demonking-pk3by there’s definitely life BUT the chances of intelligent life is pretty close to impossible since life takes 100,000s years to form and to evolve to land it can take another few 100,000 years, for intelligent life to form it would take a extremely large amount of time and would require them to gain a consciousness, even if they do gain such a thing it would not mean it would throw them into a Stone Age. Humans are completely accidental and simply lucky to exist is what I’m saying.

[@joelallgaier2626]

Our hubris is amazing, from dismissing our predecessors abilities, to think that we're the only ones. It's been a long journey to get here, we are standing on the shoulders of our ancestors.

[@gm9984]

I love reading and watching about the origins of fascinating things like fire, mirrors, religions, languages, medical/science advancements, etc. Standing on the shoulders of our ancestors indeed

[@gwiz6278]

It's called science and when we find new evidence, we alter our thesis.

[@whatabouttheearth]

It's not about hubris it's about verified evidence.

[@youropionmattersnot]

Agreed. Funny how man always tries to "modern humanize" how ancient civilizations did things. It's even projected upon the extraterrestrial. As if the pyramids were built with slaves, hand chisels, block and tackle because we found no evidence of cranes and dump trucks because that's what we would use.....

[@mrmagoo.3678]

religions have caused us great harm in that respect.

[@MrCarrot__]

I don’t think I’m claustrophobic until I see footage like this

[@awdobsession717]

Confined space isn’t for everyone. They mentioned the one archeologist lost 50 pounds just so he could make it into that particular cave. That’s some dedication

[@CraigGibbons-p4d]

Scary as heck. No way would I ever go through there

[@zsrqpooha]

It's actually a good instinct not to crawl into a cave

[@michaelholt7994]

They buried their dead,so their not pre human.

[@richardlea818]

Claustrophobia is an IRRATIONAL fear of confined spaces. Fearing a narrow cave isn’t irrational! That’s just self-preservation at work, not a phobia

[@My_Alchemical_Romance]

This is huge. Glad this has been found.

[@HomeGrowin]

Why?

[@The1sKa]

This is bs they just want us to think our life’s have no value that we are meaningless

[@P2Feener305]

So what do us humans do with this HUGE bit of information ? Revise a National Geographic episode ?

[@markmendoza1935]

​@@P2Feener305why are you even watching this video? Your sarcasm shows this is of little interest to you

[@P2Feener305]

😂 what id love to say MENDOZA I can’t because YT bots will mute me…don’t have a good day 🤣

[@scdrescher1]

In their defense, looking up when you’re caving isn’t always easy or intuitive. When you’re moving on all fours the helmet tends to get in the way. But that’s absolutely a profound realization that they’d not thought to look up.

[@tankeater]

It just took a man 1 visit to notice what that woman couldn't see for a decade...

[@sharonloves]

I think it’s more about the metaphor as well.

[@scdrescher1]

@@sharonloves the emperor’s new clothes

[@muffclassic9184]

It's pretty intuitive if you're looking for soot from a fire.

[@ConspiracyGamesAndPodcastClips]

Nah "Mandela effect" bro. Time traveling alien advanced taratarian civilization taught them bro 😂

[@ZoeyZee]

Man this was a year ago?! So glad I found this. So interesting! Thanks for sharing.

[@Vomvomvomvomvom]

This is brand new to me too, interesting findings though for sure

[@jimmygretchen9386]

Yeah, it was really interesting... then they started going on about narratives around race and gender while talking about pre-human ancestors as if it is anything to do with the discovery itself. Free your mind from this trash, please.

[@the_grand_inquisitor2511]

Right?!?? I'm like...WHY IS THIS JUST POPPING UP IN MY RECOMMENDED, NOW?!?😂😂

[@CraigGibbons-p4d]

Only just found this today. Amazing

[@luissampaio2104]

I can't believe I've only found this now

[@jeffskinner1226]

I think it's a rather short step for a species that's already making stone/edge tools to then advance to use of fire: if they're constantly smacking rocks together it's only a matter of time until they get the materials right and stumble across the fact that sparks plus tinder equals fire.

[@peterevans8194]

Was this species making flint tools though?

[@ayoungethan]

Australian aborigines learned firestick farming from watching predatory raptors flush prey out of the brush by carrying and strategically placing burning sticks.

[@JaronLindow]

And then fire plus meat equals tasty.

[@JonnoPlays]

@@peterevans8194 no stone tools have been found or associated with this species of pre human according to Google search.

[@UXtatic]

Bingo.

[@ashleydaniel3215]

"All this time we've been looking down, instead of looking up" Sums up the human condition accurately

[@GravInducedSleepTrac]

And the movie!(don't look up "

[@freedomofspeech361]

Most people are legends in their own mind.

[@stevenepstein6454]

Yep. Except, it's not a black ceiling, keep looking.

[@Lion_Hamza]

​@@stevenepstein6454Lol i did not see it either. Are we blind?

[@SimonBoccanegra69]

I know it sounded deep in your mind when you wrote it, but it's really *not.*

[@Blossoming-o6r]

I feel like this should have been a bigger story than it was. So glad to have found this video. Fascinating!

[@Euphoryaaa]

Guess which group has interest in suppressing stories like this. Take a wild guess

[@EyeofZai]

Yeah that’s because most paleoanthropologists don’t buy it. The evidence isn’t there, which sucks, because this is one of the discoveries that got me into anthropology. I recommend watching some of Gutsick Gibbon’s videos about it

[@SpaceRanger187]

same. I was like a year ago.. What. Not one person has said anything about this over the past year

[@dizzleslaunsen2372]

@@Euphoryaaawho? Please do tell…..

[@Gilbert-cd9rt]

​@@EuphoryaaaWhat evidence do you have that this story has been suppressed?

[@georgevanaken925]

3:27 “It’s because we think we have some ownership of it.” Truer words…

[@jgp1294]

….never spoken

[@FelixBibian]

Saw a man speak those words🤷‍♂️

[@jgp1294]

@@FelixBibian the saying is “truer words never spoken”….i was just finishing the quote ✌️

[@joelcox504]

Well anybody else willing to climb down there can claim it.

[@TaigiTWeseDiplomat--Formosan]

😮😮

[@Averagegunenthusiast]

One of the theories I had read about was that the human brain grew because of cooked foods like meat. This would mean it wasn’t us who discovered fire but an ancestor who we inherited it from. I don’t see how it’s such a big leap.

[@Averagegunenthusiast]

@@inktensive1584 it doesn’t mean they were more advanced, it means they were less advanced and we developed because of it. Fire allowed a more primitive species to spawn us. One day we may give rise to a more advanced species, something smarter than us. Our current technology may be what allows them to come into being or our future technology. We are just a link in the evolutionary chain and we are not done evolving.

[@DrachenGothik666]

@@inktensive1584 No, that means the *LESS-advanced* species discovered fire and passed the skill on and the species continued to evolve, developing a larger brain with a better diet from cooked food. Advancements come *first,* slowly and piecemeal by some individual or group figuring something out, or by an animal mutating and surviving, and civilizations or species build on those advancements as they develop.

[@CARLOSBARCELOIV]

Terence Mckenna mushrooms

[@atrumphasmatis6719]

@@MrGreen-fi5sgpretty bold statement considering there’s no proof of that and that there is proof of evolution

[@MrGreen-fi5sg]

@@atrumphasmatis6719 What proof is there exactly? Us existence should be the only evidence we need of God's existence.

[@kaispirit2079]

" We are arrogant as humans thinking we're superior." Well said. 💯

[@anthonyantoine669]

It's because of religion teaching us that a god made us in his image to rule over everything.

[@imranzakaev3191]

Israel jews mind

[@xMxCxNinjax777x]

who is this "we"?

[@Alarix246]

Well, try to be fair?! Based on evidence, it always was so. Now upon seeing a different evidence, aren't we willing to accept we were wrong? What's wrong with that?

[@anthonyantoine669]

@@Alarix246 not all of us, once religion exist the arrogance will always be there.

[@keyfiender799]

"Just because we've been by it 100 times, doesn't mean we've SEEN it."

[@peterevans8194]

Just to add another comment, so called "fire birds" are a documented phenomenon. Black Kites in Australia are known to carry burning sticks and twigs to start fires on new patches of grass land...They do this this as they hunt around the perimeter of small bushfire...Other bird species have been seen to do similar...

[@revolvermaster4939]

👍it only takes a birdbrain to master fire!

[@dmo848]

That's wild. I never heard of that before. I tell ya. Learn something new everyday

[@Sika6061]

That's amazing. Birds are so smart!

[@gorganhorn6872]

@@dmo848omg you got played 🤣

[@DanMorgan-bh5fv]

@@Sika6061 Considering they were the only survivors when the dino's were wiped out their brains have been constantly learning for millions of years if not longer.

[@LupusRex-hf2rl]

Doesn't mean humans didn't visit that place over time and use torches to see while exploring.

[@alshamqueg]

I'm guessing you must have the same degree as them. I'm guessing you think they didn't consider that

[@LupusRex-hf2rl]

@alshamqueg I'm guessing they didn't, since it took them forever to "look up".

[@billh2294]

I though this was old news. My understanding was that our guts are too small for the size of our bodies and that fire was the development which allowed for our ancestors to abandon the trees for safety. If this is true then it was not humans who learned to harness fire but the harnessing of fire which created humans. It is our non-human ancestors who deserve the credit for harnessing fire.

[@MrGreen-fi5sg]

@@billh2294 Man y'all will believe in anything.

[@Excremental_Discharge]

You obviously never heard the theory that early ancestors of humans more than likely accelerated their brain development by eating psychedelic mushrooms in extremely large quantities

[@OldBoldBiker]

@@MrGreen-fi5sg Thank dog we don't believe in a made up invisible sky god.

[@noname-yb5jt]

We're in a simulation anyway, nothing matters. ​@MrGreen-fi5sg

[@MrGreen-fi5sg]

@@noname-yb5jt That was just a movie sur..... It wasn't even that good. Just an egdy cgi mess.

[@sleepy1205]

This just proves the saying " if you want something done right, you do it yourself".

[@umop3plsdn]

Orrrrrr it was one of his team that found it and he took the credit with this sensationalist story like what happens with many discoveries

[@sylvesteruchia5263]

I think its more needing new eyes. It was his first time there . The others might have had literal tunnel vision .

[@kevinhorne9643]

@@umop3plsdn Woah! Sounds like you have experience with the collegiate system of hierarchy ! The Prof. wouldn't lose 50 lbs. on a hunch! Well said.

[@krombopulosmicheal3845]

"One of the reasons humans are so harmful to the environment, to the world, is because we think we have some ownership of it." Damn, that was profound.

[@wncheidi]

No, it was political.

[@krombopulosmicheal3845]

@@wncheidi no, you make it political.

[@CarlosRivera-cg4cs]

We do, MAN IS GOD

[@moonman2022]

@@CarlosRivera-cg4cs Man is God's shepherd, but Lucifer has dominion over the Earth. Eris finds the whole thing a bit silly.

[@gf4453]

And true...

[@troyd9212]

It's so aggravating!! An astounding story that adds more depth to the human condition and the news anchor just says "wow he lost 50 pounds" then when the other anchor actually contributes to the conversation, he gets shut down by the first with "you using dem big words again". Idiocracy is an underrated documentary.

[@ciara7172]

That guy was so annoying.

[@mobiusstrip107]

I was thinking of when Ms M mentioned that it’s always been “men” who have been searching and the blond interviewer shakes her head saying “white men, white men”. This rhetoric has become the norm which is wrong. Can you imagine the uproar if it was the other way around. Respect should go both ways.

[@birdsofafeather8368]

Yeah that annoyed me too. I was so impressed with him and his pronunciation and overall level of knowledge about the subject and they kind of shut him down.

[@Likelyfairy]

The kind of behavior you would expect to end in a classroom 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@rari2943]

⁠@@mobiusstrip107I mean it’s just the truth… Stop being offended of history and acknowledge that it was what it was

[@AshGreen359]

Strange, someone once asked me when did humans first use fire. A quick Google search told me we were using fire since before we were human. That was years ago.

[@willie417]

an international team of archaeologists has unearthed what appear to be traces of campfires that flickered 1 million years ago.Apr 2, 2012

[@J.G.Wentworth69420]

If you searched it on Google then it must be true!

[@willie417]

@@J.G.Wentworth69420 🤨🤔🤨😐🤔😏😁. as for me I still use Yahoo! and then I go about 4 pages back for any info because those first site pages are paid to be first 🤓

[@Ivinhomaneirinho]

switch to startpage/duckduckgo!​@@willie417

[@salvyballacc]

​@@J.G.Wentworth69420well where els does one get information? Books? The internet is just another Book.

[@lithostheory]

The research from this guy is extremely controversial and there are good reasons to doubt the conclusions he draws. This is an interesting and significant archaeological find, but he is drawing conclusions that go beyond the data.

[@lavincentjackson8024]

Ok good, because the entire time watching this, im thinking everything in this segment sounds off to me. Thats me being nice too. Glad im not alone lol

[@jessejacobs]

Well said.

[@gf4453]

I agree. A bit hasty conclusion. Somebody could've just taken a burning torch or burning moss inside. This doesn't mean they made or controlled fire.

[@bobbykeene12]

My first thought was how do you have a fire in a cave and not have an issue with asphyxiation?

[@williamozier918]

I love how every "new" discovery is actually over 10 years old.

[@damikey18]

This one is new though

[@lordsiomai]

Well from what I know, scientific discoveries take a long time of going through verification, peer reviews, and whatnot so that we are totally sure that the discoveries are legit before we share it with the world.

[@Shay45]

@@damikey18 This cave was found in 2013 though

[@blastoisefart]

@@Shay45 recent discovery within the cave

[@dormantmenace]

Yup Cradle of life was proven wrong. If you try to research it. Lucy or omo I bones are always described as "some of the oldest remains," not the oldest at around 230,000 years old Florisbad site, South Africa: Dated to around 259,000 years ago Jebel Irhoud site, Morocco: Dated to around 315,000 years ago 'Ubeidiya, Israel: A 1.5 million-year-old bone from a child who was between 6 and 12 years old when he died . Yet Google oldest remains, and they continue to try and sell you the cradle of life.

[@annettepiff9759]

Nothing short of fascinating! Thanks so much! I'll be sure to share.

[@EyeofZai]

I’d love to believe this but the evidence just doesn’t support it right now. The ash hasn’t been dated, the “cave paintings” are likely natural, and the peer reviews of the paper have had some serious critique. I’m too tired to write out a complicated explanation, but I recommend looking at the KZbinr Gutsick Gibbon’s videos on the topic. They are scientifically minded and very balanced. These claims aren’t controversial in paleoanthropology because they challenge our science, they are controversial because the facts just don’t support the conclusion, at least right now.

[@kevinhorne9643]

Having seen "Quest for fire" when it came out, I can easily believe pre-humans could carry fire from a lightning strike or a natural brush fire but assuming they could "Make" fire is a pretty big stretch. I also agree that assuming the fires date back to the bones found is not scientific. Those caves were used for centuries if not millennia, the carbon in the soot needs to be dated.

[@spider46531]

Of course the way down was not through that small crevice. Just think of the way the earth has shifted over the hundreds of thousands of years. That now small cave could have been larger or there was another opening. But they were at least safe from the much larger meat eaters or enemies

[@waptek2]

good assessment

[@capactiveresistance314]

Right and wrong. Earth does shift but not here around Johannesburg. 2 factors are at play. This whole area is filled with white dolomite. Which does erode rather fast, just google the appearance of sinkholes around gauteng. Now the dissolved rock could be redeposited there making the enterance smaller, but we know for a fact that it wasnt, in fact that cave is mostly made up of quartz. Secondly this area of Earth's surface is one of the oldest we have it has not changed much sinch Australia broke off from Africa. The only earthquakes we get are usually caused by mining the minerals in the crust and there is very little tectonic movement. Plus if you had been to the cave or researched it, you would know that the enterance to the Dinaledi Chamber where all these remains have been found are quite the climb onto shelves way above the average depth of the cave floor.

[@Muggashyte]

This particular hominid was not as large as we are, and so the cave size is not the issue we, as a larger hominid, find it to be. Come on fire making tools! It’s going to be nerve wracking, to wait and see what if any tools they used for fire making. I for one hope it’s unusual.

[@GraveTender333]

And, My chain is getting jiggled. The head of this splunk and the team 10yrs back. Looked, here and the, never up. That is like; walking to a crosswalk with no light. And only looking, One-way... Step off the curb, ouch... No one mention. Getting samples of the blacken, soot on cave ceiling and run test to confirm. What is actually is. Also. How do they know this SOOT, is not from an earlier period? Hmmm with regards

[@whatabouttheearth]

See Gutsick Gibbons channel for more

[@northerniltree]

The charred beer cans found at the site further our understanding of these early hominids.

[@JB-qe2mo]

🤣🤣🤣 good one. I also think the ends of cigars were quite peculiar as well. Leads me to believe these early hominids partied similar and possibly were legends as well.

[@jglaraunique]

LMFAOOOO 🤣

[@jglaraunique]

@@JB-qe2mo 🤣Legends

[@HaviJarl]

@@JB-qe2mo Maybe they were top G's?

[@roberthengst3718]

Did they consider numerous natural wildfires in the area and the cave having a hole at the other end acting like a natural chimney? I'm going to need more evidence but the fire use hypothesis is startling ❤ 🔥

[@cooliipie]

Exactly...

[@richb2229]

There is a lot of evidence that human ancestors used fire long before this discovery. However it doesn’t reduce the significance of this particular discovery.

[@MrGreen-fi5sg]

@@richb2229 exactly.

[@mystogan4542]

Human ancestors??

[@singalongwrudy8690]

Dragons had fire in Britain WAYYYY before blokes

[@wasis001]

Dragon donot exist

[@singalongwrudy8690]

@@wasis001 komodo ?

[@thastayapongsak4422]

@@singalongwrudy8690 they aren't dragons. They are just named after the mythical creature.

[@Svensk7119]

Reign Of Fire! Loved that film!

[@unifiedvision999]

Bloody right!

[@TonyFrickey-ur9jy]

Now I'm not a scientist or a genius, but couldn't humans still be the culprit of the fire in the caves? What is the entrance was wider back then and a couple of teenagers at some point of human history went down there and lit a fire.

[@jasonlabelle3302]

So let me get this straight, it wasn’t until Lee Berger himself visited the chamber that he was the first to see “smoke stains” and burned bone? We’ve been told for years about his expert crew conducting the work in the chamber over the past ten years - what is he saying about their skills? How would they miss such evidence? Really odd. And how exactly does Berger knows this is soot from burning? Let’s see the peer reviewed work first…

[@MrTangent]

What else would cause soot inside a cave?

[@naynay3710]

Actually, the lady found the burned bones, not him. Also, not everything needs to be a conspiracy. I don't think it, or he, is saying anything bad about the skills of his crew. He's only saying that looking up is not something that humans usually do. As archeologists, I'm sure they've seen lots of soot many, many times. It sounds like your first instinct is to disbelieve, rather than to accept what looks to be true, till someone else comes in to say it really is true. Perhaps it was in a part of the cave they hadn't inspected before. I guess I'm just more inclined to give someone the benefit of the doubt until, and if, they are proven wrong.

[@L_Train]

Another researcher found burnt material at the same time. Of course the guy telling the story is going to tell it the way he did.

[@artimmiftari6312]

@@naynay3710 ​ ​Humans don’t look up? We are immeasurably the most intelligent creature to ever exist and we aren’t capable of averting our gaze upwards? We are not dogs Nay Nay. If these ground-breaking archaeologists have ‘seen soot many many times’ how did they miss it for the better part of a decade? It’s a valid point of contention. Also, it is not a conspiracy theory to have your work peer reviewed. It is part of the scientific process and an integral element to any candid thesis or guileless scientific work. One more thing, it is not virtuous to give someone the ‘benefit of the doubt’ and just ‘accept what appears to be true’, forgoing due diligence for sake of naïveté. Especially amid the internet age where in lieu of merit and fact, financial gain and prestige are promoted, slighting the truth in the process. Have a nice day!

[@fademusic1980]

@@artimmiftari6312 "we are immeasurably the most intelligent creature..." but apparently you aren't with how you are misusing that word

[@D00M3R-SK8]

if anyone is wondering, you have till about 3:46 before the "message" is inserted.

[@KuttyJoe]

Why is that so problematic for you?

[@bobmarkey1086]

@@KuttyJoe Yeah, whatever could be problematic about a scientist taking a profound moment of discovery like this and making it political? Why would anyone want to leave their socio-political commentary outside and concern themselves only with the broadening of our knowledge and wisdom?

[@El_Diablo_12]

Love their science, don’t like their ideologies. And I’m a black person.

[@ge2623]

If we've mastered fire, why do we have fire departments?

[@jeaniebird999]

That is us mastering it.

[@larrywelch9738]

@@jeaniebird999 Yes. It's a group effort.

[@gailhitson7340]

Nobody said we're perfect...

[@ge2623]

@@gailhitson7340 Ain't that the truth.

[@stevenepstein6454]

Bc we're not God.

[@LionElAton]

This is totally incredible. Their commitment is so commendable.

[@yayorandel6048]

Yes, as in no credible.

[@TheRandomINFJ]

I love that last quote about us humans looking down instead of up.

[@ozarkcaveman6383]

I have always looked at the ceiling of the shelters and caves to see smoke residue. Hard to figure that out. All fires will smoke the ceiling.

[@andypanda4756]

Yet we still don't know why the Pyramids have no smoke on the ceilings or walls.

[@andypanda4756]

@@BrunetteVignette So they built and used them by just feeling the walls and stumbling in the dark? (Plus, if you're being honest NO ONE knows what they were used for. So you can drop any tone of authority 😇).

[@andypanda4756]

@@BrunetteVignette That's an assumption you are making scholar... And it wasn't a question. It was a statement. You need to learn how to read and some manners.

[@andypanda4756]

Wow instead of apologizing, she just deleted her post... I guess she picked up a book.

[@verreal]

This confirms what he wanted to find however. Did he bring any samples back for independent analysis?

[@spatrk6634]

what do you think?

[@gwiz6278]

Obviously. He's a scientist.

[@AGDinCA]

@Verreal - I completely agree with your sentiment. I mean, his team searches the cave for 10 years and don't find anything, yet on his first trip down there he just _happens_ to confirm his hypothesis? By looking up? Seriously, that idea did not occur to anyone of his team of grad students - for 10 years? I dunno... I'd like some independent verification.

[@The1sKa]

@@AGDinCA it’s all bogus to make us think our life’s have no meaning God is real

[@AGDinCA]

@@The1sKa No, I'm not saying the scientist's statement is bogus in the least. What I am saying is that if you are going to make bold proclamations, you need to be ready to produce significant proof, including independent verification. I would also say the same to you, sir.

[@Alaska_Gal]

Goosebumps! This is incredible.

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

I’m not sure soot on ceilings are conclusive. 1) there is no way to correlated the smoke with the species discovered (the fire could have happened after or before); 2) anyone who has ever created a fire in an unventilated structure knows how ridiculous that would be.

[@bradleeedwards]

Exactly. Humans could have explored the cave more recently and started fires. And natural phenomena could have pushed a fire into the cave.

[@cybercraft5393]

I think you can carbon date the soot and bones. The protohumans probably saw greater utility in having the light and warmth in the safety of the cave. The ceiling was quite high in the chamber and if you were burning dry tender, it would not get crazy smokey very quickly. As far as fire being pushed into the cave, I don't think it would go very far as there's nothing to burn. Sure it could be pushed in a bit by wind, but it has nothing flammable to combust for sustained intervals. These are just my thoughts. This is very interesting to me.

[@josephmayfield945]

@@bradleeedwards well if two rando guys on the net think it’s bs; I guess they better retract everything.

[@ConstantGardener-q9q]

@@cybercraft5393 My point is that while both the bones and soot could be carbon dated, they would need to be correlated as occurring roughly within the same timeline, which I don’t believe they’ve done yet. That said, I do think non-human hominids could potentially be capable of fire. I am just not convinced that they would light a fire in a cave. You said the ceiling was high. I thought they were extremely tight space… but maybe I missed something. In any case, it certainly is an interesting prospect :)

[@angelocervantes4950]

Wow my respects for him to lose 50 pounds to continue his work and to find this discovery

[@rajeshgajwelly9035]

who care? so human made fire earlier. big deal. we indians are intelligent enough to focus on future problem not past.

[@Daakunesu]

Disregarding the past will lead to repeating history. To disregard it is a mistake. History is still at the end of the day another avenue or research. ​@rajeshgajwelly9035

[@rajeshgajwelly9035]

@@Daakunesu this is why indian is CEO of google, microsoft, IBM, etc. it because we are highly intelligent and focus on future and technalogy

[@prankedxd3937]

@@rajeshgajwelly9035i think you are focusing on the wrong things bud

[@rajeshgajwelly9035]

@@prankedxd3937 we mighty indian do not focus on wrong thing

[@aimeeinkling]

His colleagues being shocked by his knowledge of human ancestors makes me very worried for our species. Those names should be common knowledge. I learned them 30 years ago.

[@MikeChatman]

I honestly thought they were lol I went to underfunded public school and I know those names. Trips me out when I see reactions like that.

[@prometheus200]

We aren’t special as humans, we tend to think so a lot. This is brilliant.

[@genetillman2313]

When they find cavemen on the moon I'll believe that humans aren't special 😆

[@The1sKa]

That’s exactly what the agenda is about To make us believe we have no meaning God is real

[@shortstarwarsessays1842]

@@genetillman2313the Nazis were the first to enter space, so perhaps us being special among earth isn’t a good thing. Especially with how evil the USA and Russia are we are definitely doomed for extinction before we do anything really special.

[@prometheus200]

@@genetillman2313 😂😂😂

[@5PLANËSGÖ]

we are the only known sentient beings out of every animal on earth so yes we are unique. You're not unique don't generalize us.

[@jesserice233]

We've known this since the 1900. This type of stuff is literally in my history books in Middle School

[@owlwoman911]

How dare they look at people who used fire, cooked their food AND buried their dead, and deny that they were human. How exactly do you determine WHAT is human?

[@kamkam3457]

i think it drives the question that do only humans cook food and bury dead

[@wrimbles]

Taxonomy.

[@bunnylebowski4465]

Homosapiens specifically are what theyre calling human, all the other evolutions of us are us on our way to being “homosapien/human” but i don’t think that makes them less human either, because you’re right at least to me. If something uses fire, cooks food, and buries their dead it sounds pretty “human” to me.

[@El_Diablo_12]

Just because they weren’t classified as human, doesn’t mean they’re not people

[@6Planet]

There was a lot of interbreeding between what we would call early humans and non-humans too, it's hard to draw a distinct line where humanity started when it was such a mixing pot.

[@c87kim]

There could have been an entire civilization that thrived and died out and ten million years later we’d have no trace of them.

[@dcarr571]

Besides the artifacts of art and tools and bones, but yeah.

[@c87kim]

@@dcarr571 nah bro, it could all be under the ocean. Plate tectonics

[@joerocker21]

95% of human history is under water...when the last ice age (not over yet) began to end...the planet will continue to warm.

[@andypanda4756]

​@@dcarr571Bones turn to dust in that amount of time, so does carved wood. Stone tools are super hard to tell from broken rocks, even if you are in the right spot. Never mind on that time scale, geologic events change the Earth itself. It's difficult for humans to concieve of what happens in that amount of time when we feel 200 years was forever ago.

[@horacio2562]

​@@c87kimyessir the ocen has it all and those over frozen places in Antarctica

[@sleepy1205]

I am just amazed by how many different species of humans there are. Has anyone in these comments heard about the new ancient human species found in the Philippines.

[@invaderjoshua6280]

That woman scientist should be ashamed of herself for bringing race and gender politics into science. It dosnt matter who discovered it, what matters is things get discovered and studied as much as possible.

[@xenotbbbeats7209]

That man hit the nail on the head regarding human hubris.

[@mechanix1228]

Graham Hancock is gonna have a field day with this one.

[@SnakeyBlakey]

They cant even get through a segment about ancient ancestors without talking about "white men"

[@dungeonbayshop564]

That only tells me that other humans were down there and made fire before that dude went down there.

[@zoso1123]

Right how can u tell me ur the first human to explore a cave in africa?

[@xmo552]

💡

[@PamKopp-ot7fd]

Exactly lol

[@davidmurray6176]

Spot on. I've been in caves and the first thing we did was build a fire . Duh!

[@MLM68]

You really have not seen this cave have you? It’s the star cave in South Africa. it’s pretty inaccessible. It took professionals to get there dude. It’s not like some open campground.

[@brucelee5576]

You can’t rule out the possibility that some humans came in there way later a started those fires.

[@MrGreen-fi5sg]

@@thomandstacieverroad8417 Also the fact how evolution never happened.

[@Sika6061]

Yes you can. Radiometric dating. Fires leave carbon residue (that's the black stuff) that can be dated fairly accurately. If the soot on the walls and ceilings date the same as the bones (also carbon based), you have a clear line of evidence.

[@Sika6061]

@@MrGreen-fi5sg You forgot the /s to denote sarcasm.

[@MrGreen-fi5sg]

@@Sika6061 What?

[@28th_St_Air]

@@MrGreen-fi5sg it never happened for you. Explain fossils, or that you have DNA in your mitochondria that isn’t the same as the DNA in the nucleus of your cells.

[@ickytheclown]

if they're our ancestors, they're still technically "man" just a really early version. kinda like early access on a game

[@gasparyanga3415]

they were not your ancestors

[@ryanjavierortega8513]

This is heartening!

[@ryancuda45]

yes it amazing they could start a fire in a cave stunning and brave like greta

[@MrBDezno]

Such an interesting topic. TY

[@situational.analysis]

Ravens have been observed taking straws to ground fires, igniting them, and setting other areas on fire to flush out prey.

[@Hopeless_and_Forlorn]

So supposedly qualified people are visiting this archaeological site and not seeing obvious signs of fire all over the place, but Lee Berger goes down and sees it immediately? How is this possible? Something is off here.

[@jessicas.6235]

There are a few birds in Australia, like the black kite, that have been documented at wildfires grabbing a burning stick and dropping it in other areas to flush out more prey. They didn’t make the fire, but they can use it as a tool.

[@harryseldon362]

This is more than amazing! WOW - man wasn't the first to use fire. We are starting to piece together man's history instead of assumptions.

[@P2Feener305]

Wow this changes everything…amazing what the future will bring 🤩

[@FirstnameLastname-rc8yd]

Well, there’s actually quite a bit of assumption taking place but it is something…

[@JonnoPlays]

The last 50 years of archeology have been amazing.

[@theofficialcybermonkeys1271]

Wonder what the next 50 with better technology and climate change will lead too??!!!

[@keurikeuri7851]

There is also the possibility that prehistoric man had also trying to burned or smoked that place to prove dominance of the area to that other species living there and tried get rid of them.

[@freaker126]

why isn't this all over the world news? Only found out about it now. this is huge!

[@davidmurray6176]

They are hypothesized ideas not fact. I think it's a total croc of chipped beef gravy

[@ForgingMyWins]

​@@davidmurray6176 explain why the evidence presented smells fishy then.

[@crafting11111]

Bc the mayority of people in the world is religious, these news mean that evolution is real and that goes against their beliefs, i wonder how they cant just believe that good created the universe itself and thats it.

[@RichardMiller-q8c]

​@davidmurray6176 something like this is plausible

[@MrGreen-fi5sg]

@@freaker126 No.

[@societydwellingifd766]

*_There's no way I could crawl thru holes in caves like that. If I can't walk upright to get in and out then I'm not doing it. I get really nervous watching stuff like that and sometimes I have to turn it off cuz it gets my anxiety going._*

[@austinjackson7699]

How did they make it about race, so wild how far they stretch to make anything racist

[@micmalawi]

Its a pity that politics has to come into it all the time now - "white man's narrative"... science is science - you don't have to have a dig at someone's "race" and gender.

[@JB-qe2mo]

@Sean 😂😂😂 good thing at least you know all the answers. Please share your research and in fact rewrite all of history so it's finally true.

[@wallstreetc1496]

Yes

[@theoriginalchefboyoboy6025]

I would think that besides burnt bones and sooty ceilings they would have found evidence of tools necessary to make or create the fires as real evidence that they were actually fabricating fire in that cave, and those proto humans couldn't have been that neat and tidy to take it with them when they left the cave...

[@FirstLast-di5sr]

Since fire can be started by wood + friction I can't assume the evidence is guaranteed to have survived / left behind.

[@theoriginalchefboyoboy6025]

and flinty rocks...

[@zee9709]

Any wood would've broken down in hundreds thousand years. Only left maybe flint

[@whatabouttheearth]

See Gutsick Gibbons channel for more

[@rtqii]

@@zee9709 Unless it was charred... The wood will rot, but the charred end of a fire stick won't rot.

[@auntoneyofuntease6704]

What he said about humans thinking they have some kind of ownership of the land doesn't apply to all humans. Native Americans thought you didn't own the land, but the land owns you. The Dutch took advantage of that philosophy.

[@samuelohare6884]

if you actually think the indigenous americans were that respectful to nature, look up all the animals they made extinct

[@CPTPlanet85]

As a fellow Anthro nerd Tony’s knowledge of hominids is impressive 👏🏾

[@user-jv4ro9yp7u]

I mean this is his entire career after all

[@th0rn3gaming]

I just had a severe moment of claustrophobia watching this video 🤣

[@xbrandi12345x]

Not me!! Nobody would interrupt my nap in there!

[@irishsamurai9008]

Worse if your watching under a blanket

[@skatetoexplorevideos2477]

It's even more claustrophobic if there's an earthquake and they get stuck or crushed to death.

[@naynay3710]

No amount of passion to find something could get me to wiggle down into that tunnel! They are all better humans than I.

[@pechaa]

I felt sick watching those parts. I am amazed they don’t panic.

[@ElyasBinYahya]

So many archaeologists don’t follow the evidence

[@TheLifeOfKane]

Ok... For anybody who got confused by the misleading headline... This was humans making fire. They're saying we discovered fire earlier than we thought That's what an Ancestor is. Omg guys, you did good enough without stretching the truth, people are gullible

[@southsidedon9037]

They weren't human, just similar...that's like saying Apes are chimps.

[@andypanda4756]

Depends on where you draw the line saying "On this side, we are humans".

[@Sean_neaS]

This failed peer review from my understanding, with a lot of criticism for dubious claims and lack of evidence.

[@wrimbles]

Agreed, the results and methods of the study have been under heavy criticism by many experts in the field. One should always be skeptical about claims this big... with evidence this shaky... especially when they prioritize a Netflix series and a press tour above peer review.

[@krispulz]

Life is all about learning. Great find

[@juliousceaser]

Why did this need to be mentioned?? 3:40

[@Marky1740]

Great reporting. I was so amazed by the story and the discovery... up until the injection of woke feminist BS which I'm sure was lead by that reporter's questioning. The way she said "men, white men" just annoyed the fck out of me. Science is great, why can't science just be science.

[@spencerwilson3298]

What's the name of the interviewer? She's very good!

[@Le_Church]

No shes not

[@rickyray2794]

No she's really not.

[@YesAndJW]

0:52 "Turns out humans are not so special after all." That's a lesson we all need to take in. Thank you for sharing news of this discovery.

[@edition-deluxe]

They jump to so many conclusions. This whole field is such a joke.

[@mikevee9145]

It's more the "scientists" than the field. He said, "I think" and "may have", and then goes on to state a bunch of assumptions as facts. Evolutionary scientists are the worst with this.

[@edition-deluxe]

@@mikevee9145 Funny, and sad at the same time.

[@Kyle-ky2po]

I have frequently pooped 💩 in such caves hoping one day it will be discovered

[@whatabouttheearth]

He's not saying anything conclusively, you'd realize this if you actually studied paleontology See Gutsick Gibbons channel for more

[@mikevee9145]

@@Kyle-ky2po An evolutionary scientist will find it and come out with an article stating that humans weren't the first to eat potato chips.

[@CapitalCreators]

I was able to enjoy this video for 3:45 until it became racial and White Men were being called out for being archeologists!!

[@hermanturnip3984]

All was good until this point. Way to inject politics into this amazing discovery. They earned my downvote and channel ignored.

[@Primalxbeast]

And probably "cis" hetero men at that. How dare they advance our knowledge of the world.

[@CapitalCreators]

@@Primalxbeast disgusting

[@Chris-re3xr]

Then you dont understand obviously don’t like hearing that your ancestors were oppressors? Sounds like a YOU problem

[@hermanturnip3984]

@@Chris-re3xr Thanks. I needed a laugh.

[@jamiemorgan3649]

Kudos to them, i could never do this job

[@swat486]

Joe Rogan: “Jamie Pull that up”

[@billblackledge2679]

Joe Rogan: “They must have used that narrow passage to escape the huge bears back then.”

[@ExistentialConfidence]

​@@billblackledge2679lmao

[@samuelplew5630]

Or someone 1000 years later made a fire. And this person had a birth defect.

[@Will_14_years_ago]

We use to go through that cave when i was younger. We had to use torches when we went through there. Even as i kid we knew not to leave trash or disturb anything. We slept inside there and made a fire to tell stories around.

[@michaelradzichovsky9366]

Ah! The old 'White Man' narrative again. She's not biased at all.

[@janicerstone1872]

Always follow the evidence.

[@asahel980]

and evidence can be manipulated or misinterpreted.

[@AranRinzei]

Question everything especially mainstream academia

[@Jaysonbc1234]

Hunter bidens laptop

[@whatabouttheearth]

See Gutsick Gibbons channel for more

[@LeninRajendraSingh]

Lee Berger, thats just an amazing feat , imagining myself in such a scenario is beyond claustrophobic \but would like to try out these kind of expeditions one day.

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Which mammals use stone tools? Which birds use fire? Which birds use stone tools?

[@waptek2]

many apes & some other mammals & a few birds use tools look it up

[@nothcial]

Ever seen a crow. They are pretty smart. For an animal that is.

[@randysmith5435]

There are many species of birds and mammals that make use of both tools and fire. Are you incapable of finding this information or are you being purposefully obtuse?

[@bleachsanchoblastk]

While they don't start fires there are actually birds that will pick up burning sticks to flush out small animals in grassy areas. Black kites for example.

[@bv2999]

Soooooo.... Fire big enough to CHAR the ceilings but not asphyxiate the supposed occupants. Hmmmmmmm Lets see them Simulate the taking of a fire torch with them into the narrow tunnel to navigate and not dropping it or burnning themselves.

[@Skummy123]

3:40 reporter is like “i’m with you girl” stfu 😅 how does race/gender affect the outcome of someone discovering something

[@allye4228]

If someone considered "lesser" discovers something they are often overlooked or deemed as crazy. And then in the future, white people, especially men, discover it, it is considered credible. If you look in history this happens all the time. One obvious example is Christopher Columbus “discovering” the Americas.

[@buhingkalbaryo]

They said that the first Fire benders were the Dragons.And one of the most powerful forms of Element, Bending.😁

[@drakedorosh9332]

The guy who discovered this site was good at seeing what you see. The first time he goes in he makes the main observation that he would have made had he gone first. He then strokes everyone's ego to get them on board and save face.

[@El_Diablo_12]

Love his science, hate his philosophy. Humans are special. Our ancestor species had what we have. We’re not ruining our environment, we’re utilizing it like we should.

[@MJ1]

We are not special. We are just an animal. We are ruining the environment. If we are destroying other species like no other creature, destroying habitat we are selfish and ignorant. The most harmful words ever created was “god gave man dominion over animals” We are destroying our own home in the hope that technology will always save us. Good luck with that.

[@PopeMcGrope]

Amazing scientific breakthrough that challenges, the already gigantic theory of man creating fire Rainbow hair lady: “bUt kNoW wOmEn cAn sAy wE fOuNd sTuFf tOo” 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

[@guynorth3277]

The thought of those folks crawling around in those narrow craves and crevices cause me anxiety! Phenomenal accomplishments.

[@jaytrump2537]

Aaaaaaa thank you thank you AMAZING REPORT LONG LIVE CBS MORNINGS

[@R6-D2]

Anyone that thinks that this civilization is the first is sorely mistaken!

[@ja-mez5102]

3:47 JUST COULD NOT HELP YOURSELF. COULDN'T LEAVE IT ALONE, JUST HAD TO BE DIVISIVE.

[@7nortonable]

Really enjoyed the report just disappointed that they had to bring race and gender into a prehuman story at the end

[@chancemathews7057]

I glanced by the title after just waking up, no joke I thought the title was man was not first beings on the moon.

[@wade4747]

Us humans are so anthropocentric and stubborn

[@dcarr571]

As opposed to chimps and fish and squirrels, which tend to see the world through a much more balanced, humble lens that considers all species.