CDC Masking Comments, Prior Auths, Paxlovid Data | The VPZD Show Ep. 31

Famous docs who can’t process evidence, prior authorization in healthcare and care variation, private equity and gray areas in medicine, the decline of academic medical centers, indoctrination in education, does Paxlovid actually work in populations that matter and the biases of observational trials, fake twitter medical experts, why hospital maintenance workers have more common sense than healthcare leadership, Cochrane mask review, CDC director masking comments and ivermectin, politics in science and why politicians simply can’t be honest, and more!
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[@cheekster2637]

You know what would be better than masks? Pushing healthy eating, exercise, sleep, vitimin D, lowering your stress... You know, getting ducking healthy!

[@tallard666]

Question for next VPZD WHY Did scientists and PH experts trash evidence-based, expertly written, Pandemic Preparedness Plans (only Anders Tegnell stuck with the Plan), written specifically for such events? Some people have answered "fear", or, "we didn't know" Those are not answers! WHY DID THEY ABANDON PANDEMIC PREPAREDNESS PLANS???????????

[@Portia620]

What happened to all that protective gear that we supposedly invested in our hospitals were prepared for any immediate threat??? Why didn’t they have a pandemic plan to shut down all international traffic not just a China that was dumb fly another places from China! 🤦‍♀️🤣

[@Portia620]

Then the other ignorant thing about shutting down traffic only to China was how long has a virus been out he j tracing it back to 2019 in the summer now!!!

[@sandramae1772]

The Great Barrington Declaration

[@salsafusionstudios]

because fear can get more shots in shoulders

[@LB-fj7vo]

I will say it again and again and whoever wants to listen - VP, you are fantastic! You repeatedly restore my faith in medicine (good medicine). I am so thankful for you, your work and your voice. (Politically bias free.) I remain sad and disappointed in my colleagues that just don’t care to be and do better.

[@n3roc]

Yes! I love V Dogg MD!

[@heatherruble3177]

My daughter, who graduated from nursing school in the Midwest in 2021, had to take a class in critical appraisal. What a gift it is to be able to think that through. I wish we would have been taught that in nursing school when I went through it (in the stone ages! :-)).

[@sarahm.933]

Hey Z Dogg- can u address what the residents of east Palestine Ohio need to do considering the recent explosion of vinyl chloride? The EPA is telling them it’s safe to go back into their homes. U reach a broad audience and I appreciate your views

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

That’s easy, don’t listen to the EPA. The EPA is being given their talking points by Norfolk Southern. Remember that the EPA cleared opening downtown NYC shortly after 9-11 and there has been a massive amount of physical damage that came from that call. The issue in Ohio is that the chemicals are going to, or already have, seeped into the water table and contaminated everything. The Ohio River is going to carry the chemicals downstream and the damage that is going to come from this derailment is going to extend for a hundred miles or more. The cloud of chemicals will also carry on the wind and will contaminate everything for several dozen miles in every direction. We should be looking at Ohio as having been hit by a nuclear blast. Number one thing to do will be to burn your house to the ground to get out of the mortgage and collect any cash you can and leave the area, likely the entire state

[@Portia620]

Agreed!!! ❤

[@angieburke]

As a renal dietitian, PA's are the bane of my existence. Thank you for the laughs and the alternate perspective as to why they exist outside of my specialty. My most recent submission was actually denied by the pts insurance because they claimed the drug was not FDA approved. Fact is it's only been FDA approved for YEARS. Ass hats.

[@jenacosta3636]

I’m in peds endo. I have to fight so hard for my kids to get enough insulin, the right type of insulin, and the continuous glucose monitors and insulin pumps that will help prevent hospitalization and death. I spend HOURS on the phone with insurance/pbm’s. It’s so horrible! I just want my kids to get what they need to improve their health and well being.

[@neurodiversemom3578]

I’d also like to add this about masking… I wonder what the global impact of masking was on autistic children. Autistic individuals often experience difficulty interpreting the unspoken rules of social engagement/communication, including facial expressions/body language. After an in depth observational study on my autistic middle child and 3 same aged children with a similar neurocognitive profile, they struggled m, even more so, to interpret nonverbal rules of spoken engagement when school closed and pivoted to online learning until the end of the 2020 school year. During the 2020-21 school year they masked and deeply struggled to communicate and learn. When I asked my middle schooler why the summer camp our district offered was such a positive change from school during the year (other than the obvious spending 3 hours with his favorite music teacher engaging in music sessions) and he said, “I can see everyone’s faces”, my heart just sank. Global studies desperately need to be conducted in this area.

[@bigbendmarine]

Neurodiverse Mom, my wife (a dermatologist, who in light of ZDogg's video regularly takes care of actinic keratoses😉), and I have a high-functioning daughter with Asperger's who has been a stellar student her entire life. Not only did masking impact her ability to pick up facial expressions, but in the brief time that her school did remote virtual learning I watched her go from a highly motivated student to one who struggled to even stay awake while "attending" virtual classes. Blessedly, she and her peers returned to onsite classes at the start of the fall 2020 school year and mask mandates for school children were dropped for the entire 2021-2022 school year by mandate of our Florida governor, with the vast majority of students at her school opting not to wear them. Not a single child in her fairly large school subsequently suffered any severe illness... not a single one. So my daughter only really struggled academically for a couple of months in the panic-ridden springtime of 2020, and has consistently been a high honor roll student the past two and a half years. What has struck me as the most shocking thing since 2020 is how utterly different life can be for US citizens based on what specific state, and even county, they reside. Honestly, life has seemed almost normal for us since the fall of 2020 and the vast majority of local businesses have survived as they only briefly closed in the spring of 2020. EXTREMELY thankful that we live PRECISELY where we do.

[@salsafusionstudios]

@@bigbendmarine why would you mask your daughter..thats insanity

[@bigbendmarine]

@Rob Carrero , know my reply was long but it basically shares that thanks to living in Florida the time she wore one was minimal... primarily in 2020 when absolutely mandated by schools and businesses. The second Florida schools and businesses started lifting masking requirements, our entire family stopped. I can't remember the last time any of us wore one.

[@Portia620]

How about the impact on masking to the supposed we care about the environment junk!?? Why didn’t the government invest an actual full respirators that are less harmful to the environment from what I’ve read and 100% protective of our healthcare workers not know 95% like the N 95s!!!!

[@sandramae1772]

My daughter was a senior in 2021, at the start of yer senior year, 2 classmates committed suicide.

[@n3roc]

My brother was a neurologist in Colorado Springs, Colorado. I say was because he abruptly died 2 weeks ago. There were 900 people at his funeral. A lot of folks were patients in wheelchairs and walkers. They told me they loved him. I asked why? They said because he listened to me and we talked for 10 minutes about the Rockies games and my family before he got into the business of the appointment. Interesting…

[@sumeriansumer1622]

How many Covid-19 jabbs did your brother get?

[@eternalperspective4136]

So sorry about your brother's passing.

[@Portia620]

@@sumeriansumer1622 the problem is both are causing problems! Ugh! We have a mess.

[@Portia620]

🙏🙏😢😢 my condolences

[@cindyjones233]

Im so sorry about your brother.

[@ed0c]

literally talking about daughter being indoctrinated using CRT but says “i don’t know what that is”. may want to look into it

[@castagnaf1]

I'm a Pharmacist, I love the two of you soooo much! Such comfort the two of you give being brilliant and humerous to others in our field when so many of us are walking in a mine field of topics!

[@lauriem3880]

As a fellow pharmacist, I agree with you.

[@HeyYall398]

As someone who visits pharmacies, I agree 100%

[@AnthonyL0401]

@@HeyYall398 As someone who has seen a pharmacy, I agree 100%.

[@HeyYall398]

@@AnthonyL0401 😂

[@rockymountainwoman2618]

Good for you Dr Prasad for going after Eric Topol. The man does not have the humility to see his intellectual limitations, mistakes or biases.

[@paigerperry867]

VP's beard is looking great! Get it, doc!

[@missano3856]

He should either grow his hair long or cut it real short.

[@jasons4425]

Bollywood star 🎉❤

[@bigphilrut]

I was told by a higher up at our hospital that the reason they still mask is because the Center for Medicaid and Medicare suggest that masking may make people feel better. That was, per an email, the reason the hospital still had a mask mandate. I'm so sick of these face diapers, they need to go away. Sincerely, a worn out nurse.

[@monykalynf3604]

LTC is worse-our poor residents will never see smile again

[@erinlikesacornishpasty4703]

Yes, that's the reason most places I go are still telling people to do it; it makes people feel better. You know what makes me feel better? If you're sick with the flu or whatever, I don't care, please stay home for a while. It's not pleasant to be in the grocery store and actually get puked on 🤦‍♀️.

[@lauriem3880]

@@monykalynf3604 100% true. I work in long term care in Canada and our poor residents have not seen faces in 3 years now, I don’t understand how this can go on.

[@MK-ih6wp]

They continue to require masks because it perpetuates the fear among the masses and increases booster uptake. Every masked face you encounter is guerilla marketing for Pfizer & Moderna.

[@angellouisesings]

I took my kid to his pediatrician yesterday for a possible sinus infection. The doc wore what looked like a full haz mat suit! Disposable gown, mask, face shield, gloves... If anything, this made me feel more alarmed than "better!" When will it end?

[@burndog79]

Hey Z, I unsubscribed 2 years ago but just dropped in to see how your cheerleading for Blackrock was going. So how is that going?

[@anonemoose102]

Lol, unrelated to the video but ok😊

[@cindybee9270]

I remember the first time I saw Vinay on this show. He had just gone for a run and was wearing an athletic shirt. Looked clean cut. 2023 Vinay = beard + leather jacket. 🔥

[@cyanofelis]

Still ugly

[@Portia620]

😂😂.

[@Portia620]

No, last lady was married. I’m single are you single?? We can flirt.😂😂

[@MootRed]

Breaking bad

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

While covid is still around (and likely always will be), I'm wondering if we should do a "retrospective" on the things we learned about the medical community, science, communication, and various public responses to the pandemic. The early strains of COVID were bad but still only 2% mortality rate of confirmed infected. While this is very high and scary - it is very small in comparison to Spanish Flu, Small Pox and just about every major past pandemic in history (i.e. Black Death). I look at this as a "test run" for humanity. In my opinion, mostly failed. If this were a true global medical emergency (i.e. small pox vs The Aztecs) - humanity would be royally screwed. We might have a handful of hyper-paranoid picking up the pieces, but who knows, they might be too paranoid to ever come out of hiding. If we are going to have a decent chance of standing up against a serious pandemic, we need to learn lessons from this one.

[@sandramae1772]

It's actually hard to judge because they lied about the number of deaths. I worked in the hospital all of 2020 there were people that did not die of covid and their death certificate was marked covid. And so I truly believe that was happening across the country.

[@kenp7580]

It wasn't 2% death rate for those that got infected if the went the early treatment protocol route. That was less than .01%

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

@@sandramae1772 My aunt worked in the hospital in Alabama and this wasn’t the case, so perhaps not everywhere. I’m generally skeptical about anything remotely conspiracy in nature. It is possible that many were marked as COVID if they had it when they died regardless if that was the actual cause of death.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

@@kenp7580 Depended on the country, quality of care, age and other factors. Before vaccines and early variations, it was slightly above 2% - but significantly higher in high risk groups like elderly and those with chronic conditions. Later variants tended to be more infectious but less severe - by the time I got it, it was like a bad cold, granted - I had three shots, so I’m sure that helped too.

[@sandramae1772]

@@JasonTaylor-po5xc I was a nurse on the frontline I saw with my own eyes.

[@munchkin8742]

Someone please explain why - O-why - we had to mask preschoolers in my program? Yes, we are federally funded and we were "required" under performance standards to do this. And then magic happens and the emergency health orders are going to expire May 11. My go-to has always been Cochrane library - and lack of RCTs so very disturbing. These kids are going to pay the price for a very long time. Mental health disorders through the roof, fear of attachment, increases in fighting and violent behaviors. Crushes the soul.

[@AnaLucia-wy2ii]

Don’t forget language and social delays. Emotional processing and facial (reading facial expressions) is essential to learn at that age.

[@sheilacrook-lockwood-integ2193]

Critical appraisal is virtually 100% missing from my nursing students

[@ed0c]

look into risk management pushing more and more women into getting c sections now. you can’t tell me that’s not due to profit margins

[@laurelvanwilligen9787]

You two are clever, funny, irreverent. I could listen to you all day. I quit practicing when I was 50 and have never looked back. But your brand of banter just absolutely nails it for me. Thanks.

[@davidwalters428]

I love the comment on "those that want to be president, shouldn't be." I have said the same thing about being a Charge RN on the unit. If you really want the position with more responsibility you will likely misuse it. (Exeptions apply of course)

[@waterkingdavid]

That would be impossible in America where humility is considered a weakness.

[@healthcareplanforus1246]

So many great subtleties you guys brought up wrt to prior auth, unnecessary care, insurance, PE, etc.

[@rikardo1070]

whew.... thanks guys ! watching you both for an hr sure do suspend the suffering. !! keep it up !!

[@toddfriley9373]

I’d like to see a study not on if masks work or don’t work but IF mask wearing helps reduces inoculation. Did someone who had a mask on while sucking in Covid air turn out better than no mask? Would a smaller ( 10 percent, 20, 50 percent) reduction in inhalation of Covid allow the body to gear up for a defense and have less severe outcome or faster recovery? FYI I hate the masks.

[@roselieber]

Monica Gandhi thought they lowered inoculation- I'd like to see a study as well.

[@bullymaguire632]

The n95s most certainly lower the inoculum but I don't know If that changes severity of disease

[@Robin-xe4yz]

what about re-inoculation of exhaled viral particulate

[@sherrijones9777]

About your daughter’s ethics class: thank goodness you are there to question her and provide an alternate explanation to the ‘indoctrination’ scenario. Makes me sad that many kids don’t have parents who engage in this conversation or even care.

[@pdales2257]

Especially us parents who have white males as son's. It's the complete opposite of Martin Luther King's teaching. My son will be judged because he is white, not if he is a good person 🤦‍♀️ this woke agenda will destroy our society!!!

[@heathrown]

As someone who does not work in the medical field, I appreciate your insight. I've attended doctor's appt since and struggled with thinking how do I know if the information they are giving me is evidence based or not? Are there user friendly, reliable sources for those of us without a medical education?

[@teresabenson3385]

I work in EBM, and the best source for laypersons is probably The Cochrane Library. Their "Systematic Reviews" are the gold standard of EBM, and each includes a summary for laypeople. Many medical societies are also fairly trustworthy, especially the American College of Cardiology, but some are less evidence-based. The FDA and CDC have been extremely disappointing these last few years. Depending on your appetite for science, there are KZbin channels like "Sketchy EBM" that offer brief, simplified principles that you can use to critically appraise research claims yourself.

[@kstark321]

God I love when ZenDogg comes out and Vinay immediately redirects it.

[@eageralto]

Also @ZDoggMD could you pleeeeeeze persuade Dr. Vp to get an ENT opinion on that persistent throat-clearing and cough?! FFS it's gone on for ~3 years, it's insanely annoying and distracting and worrisome, hope it's just a nervous habit that he can kick if he commits to doing so. Otherwise y'all wasted all that $$$ on Really Good Audio Gear. Thank you! Please be healthy!

[@TV-fw5bc]

Did not know Vinay is a fellow Spartan! 💚🤍 Loved the show!

Excellent discussion. So many people are confused or disillusioned.

[@TropicalStormDebi]

VP is looking umm hot! I feel bad about saying that as a married woman.

[@DiamondLil]

He's becoming the bad boy of oncology!

[@Fair-to-Middling]

The whole time I was imagining him with his shades on cruising down the road in his BMW.

[@Portia620]

@@Fair-to-Middling 😂😂. Wrong car.!!! Must be some type of exotic! ❤😂

[@Portia620]

I’m not married though😂😂❤️

[@Blinn2330]

Poor VP coughing all over ZDs face the whole episode.

[@kaiduponte4091]

Yeah he was modeling the most inconsiderate behavior ever-“just try as hard as you can to pass on whatever you have to others.”

[@stevena9582]

We all have immune systems - stop with the germ hysteria

[@margha6741]

I agree. What happened if you are sick stay home? Join by Zoom. I wouldn't be comfortable with all that coughing.

[@surgerystudio7654]

VP probably isn’t contagious. He’s been coughing like that and sucking on lozenges for at least a month or so now. Interestingly this is pretty common amongst the vaxxed. Not sure if they’ve noticed it themselves, but the constant cough lasts for months and months. I feel sorry for them.

[@kaiduponte4091]

@@surgerystudio7654 all the research is showing that repeated COVID infections (even asymptomatic or mild) are causing long-term organ damage and weakening the immune system, not vaccines. Our population will be much sicker in the future, but not because of vaccines.

[@larryhb1]

I was always told that smart people don’t get bored. I suspect my parents were trying to keep me from complaining about being bored???

[@GDTheTrain13]

ZDogg, did you love the Covid shots and push them for a long time?

[@Brian-dg3gh]

I’m surprised you’re still showing your face on the internet.

[@angelozachos8777]

This narcissist has no shame … they never do 🤷

[@lauralandon9102]

VP, looking very dapper today.

[@Itas888]

Yeah, nobody wears a mask in the break room 😂😂😂and we still haven’t 💀🤣🤣🤣

[@joeswife]

Prior Auths...the bane of every MA's existence. I'm a Care Coordinator and occasionally work on them. Glad I'm the just the backup. Wouldn't want to do it full time.

[@cblv5639]

VP appears to be very intelligent and genuine. It seems like when he says something it's because it makes logical sense even if it conflicts with what he feels.

[@8020drummer]

More of these, please 😊

[@pdales2257]

Love the discussions. Keep doing these great informational videos. Really opened my eyes!!!

[@Kenya3131]

VP need to get on instagram and you guys need to chop up segments of your show for reels!!!

[@annetteStoic]

You should do podcasts together weekly! Please consider

[@teslaclips3916]

Worth noting, maybe a revised analysis of the report on the next episode? Alt middle baby! The original Plain Language Summary for this review stated that 'We are uncertain whether wearing masks or N95/P2 respirators helps to slow the spread of respiratory viruses based on the studies we assessed.' This wording was open to misinterpretation, for which we apologize. While scientific evidence is never immune to misinterpretation, we take responsibility for not making the wording clearer from the outset. We are engaging with the review authors with the aim of updating the Plain Language Summary and abstract to make clear that the review looked at whether interventions to promote mask wearing help to slow the spread of respiratory viruses.

[@JMK-vo8pv]

All I can say is that VP and ZD are big pharma's, big food's and "know-nothing" politicians' WORST NIGHTMARE! ...Keep up the good work, gentlemen!!!

[@DiamondLil]

Love watching the automated CC try to spell "equipoise"!

[@lessenful]

I ❤this show. The goofiness is the icing on the cake 😅

[@ex8280]

For me, I unsubbed Vinay's channel. lol

[@wjjbward]

We need another episode! Been too long

[@sandylewis8897]

Digging the beard on Vinay.

[@amypfaff6426]

You started by describing my ADHD...I watched two webinars today, downloaded new software, enrolled in a mini course, solved a problem I'd been putting off...and I left work feeling like I'd done nothing!

[@aramis720]

Would be great to have topic markers in your videos so that people can skip ahead if needed!

[@sparkyaddison8324]

There was a Cochrane review done in Apr’20 for masks indicating masks did not work (but more research was needed).

[@NerdE1776]

VP looks like the leader of a cool doctor biker gang. Is that a thing? 😂😂 Love the show, guys. Keep up the amazing work and the laughs! 😊

[@dkeener13]

You guys are great, always love the dynamic between you, even if I'm not quite willing to pony up allegiance money. 🙂

[@tallard666]

1:11:00 about the "allegiance" money. I disagree with Vinay on this. I follow some 30 blogs/shows/locals/Substacks/Yt/Patreons, etc. If I paid 10 Canadian dollars monthly on "allegiance money" to all of that, that would be 300 Canadian per month. 300 Canadian is WAY too much to spend on "news", I am a poor person, I pay "allegiance money" of ?7 Canadian to ONE lady, a lady with a low viewership. As poor person, I can't even imagine being expected to pay my low salary to listen to highly paid doctors. Sorry. I await the day when independant content providers create a PACKAGE of content. THEN I might pay a small subscription fee.

[@Rose-yd7bn]

Dr. Walensky’s husband is pediatric oncologist who treated my 9 year son… he is brilliant and a kind and caring doctor. I am sure she is just the same…. Please give her some respect…. Thank you.. I do think you are both awesome….

[@saradf4890]

Respect is earned. Thus far she has not earned it, from me anyway, until she starts telling the scientific truth about things like masks and natural immunity instead of lying about them. And I say this as an educated biology major and medical laboratory scientist whose overall respect and admiration of the CDC has taken a nosedive over the past few years.

[@tracysweatt5401]

It’s sooooo refreshing to hear someone that isn’t conservative say this. It’s scary how indoctrinated some curricula is today. We should be having conversations, but putting those often one sided/one viewpoint curriculum out there can be dangerous. I’m glad that your daughter seems to have a teacher willing to teach things as a conversation topic rather than indoctrination “white men bad”, but there are plenty of teachers that are doing nothing but indoctrination.

[@kevinhoffman8608]

Listened 2nd time about Cochrane Study and it is podcast gold!

[@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags]

My husband got vaxD and he got Covid twice then has long-haul and severe weightloss we took Paxlovid the 2 times he had Covid but needed two courses each time,,, I was given the Paxlovid prophylactic

[@pcasella8492]

Prophylactic?? Really.

[@waterkingdavid]

Bring Dr John Campbell the untiring UK nurse on your podcast please 🙏. That man fearlessly looks for real truth.

[@posturebalanceandfitness8429]

Amen

[@teohproject]

I’m sad that these two don’t do their podcast anymore

[@dgh5760]

A couple of tips if you want to make some improvements. Pull the camera back and don't sit side by side. It is just weird. Sit at an angle facing each other like a normal conversation and put your mikes on the side you are facing towards. You'll thank me - really!

[@sallyfellows8281]

And coughing directly in your face. Seriously?? I'm a retired nurse tho, not a doc, maybe you know something I don't about germ theory.

[@dgh5760]

@@sallyfellows8281 LOL...I don't think it makes any difference since they twisted in their chairs for a lot of the time and were turning toward each other half the time anyway. It was just awkward visually. Perhaps he should have just worn a mask to keep the sputum contained? As far as germs, if they are airborne it wouldn't make any difference considering the time they were together. If the germs are transmitted by fomites they probably touched the same things in the same area such as the microphones. So seriously not sure what you think the difference would be.

[@Notyourbusinessism]

Great discussion.

[@Portia620]

Great point about prior authorization!!!

[@MSflyer2005]

If ethnic class is truly being taught as a debate, and different lines of thinking are welcome, all for it. If it is pure indoc then it doesn't belong.

[@johngorentz6409]

"The guidance doesn't change" is incompatible with "follow the science." Science doesn't stand still.

[@buch434]

VP putting out the vibe!

[@rbdesigner725]

Ethnic studies? Nonsense. You can discuss with your kid but imagine the masses that don’t.

[@dave234]

Another episode. Day is made. Thank you both for this and the last Sensible Medicine panel. Great shows.

[@janinelargent9220]

If you had Covid once and survived odds are you won't get sicker the next time

[@barbleone3935]

Pre auth. More understanding for me. TY

[@missano3856]

I was in the ER for a non covid thing a little while ago and my stupid mask fell on the floor and they didn't care and the doc wore his as a chin diaper.

[@patrickmurray2340]

Lol it's always been that in the ED. We've been in crazy room 3 hours later they says they have meningitis it's airborne and contact isolations. Yet we've been in the room for the last 3 hours no mask hell no gloves. And when you go upstairs to the floor ICU their PPE Nazis.

[@missano3856]

@@patrickmurray2340 Yeah, this guy had the ER doctor personality, which I like.

[@jimmycallahan4481]

Wonder what your review on vaccines r now

[@posturebalanceandfitness8429]

Ha

[@NinaLady11]

I'm unvaxxed and never had covid despite being exposed twice ( that I know of) and not taking any special precautions.

[@JTHeidrick]

You had covid if you are like all of the patients I have seen who also say they never had covid-19.....just go do a nucleocapsid antibody test.

[@healthcareplanforus1246]

More so on PBMs (& GPOs) is that they're legally allowed (safe harbor) to receive kickbacks from manufacturers.

[@kelleydelaney6294]

G.K. Chesterton: "The problem with politicians is they have no politics."

[@denise6145]

I love listening to you two, but I still see, and have experienced, benefit of ivermectin & hcq

[@panaruss]

The lighting is complimentary for Z Dogg , but Vinay should have a backlight (motivated by the studio light already in the shot) to seperate him from the background. I have learned much from these discussions among curious educated professionals trying to make sense of what is going on in the world. You both are quick to remind everyone you were always and remain politically left, but neither of you can deny reality has moved you towards the opinions of the conservative right, who typically hold that reality conforms to a natural order, and so does morality. You get to accuse the villains of wrongdoing because you assume moral absolutes do exist, can be known and should be adhered to.

[@oldmango8606]

most enjoyable, thanks

[@erinlikesacornishpasty4703]

Just FYI, no one is "brown enough" not to get skin cancer from too much sun exposure. That's why that one African tribe coats themselves in mud, so they don't get sunburned 👌. Thankfully I have black cousins who grew up in CA and they taught me to just put the sunscreen on. The sun burns us all, my friend.

[@orubenvaldez]

Wow, look how the narrative is shifting. What changed, we knew this all along

[@CarynConnolly]

You have ads every two seconds. . . I mean, you didn’t even get to the topic yet and there have been two ads. . .

[@roselieber]

I didn't have any ads on my end- I saw another comment complaining about it. Have you tried Adblock Plus? It's free and easy to install.

[@meganashlea]

It’s a lot 😢

[@erinlikesacornishpasty4703]

KZbin changed it's ad distribution rate. Now instead of one or two ads per video, they "offer" between 5-12. They're doing it to try to get people to pay for premium accounts. It's not the individual content creators doing. To alleviate that issue, I think a content creator has to opt not to monetize the video. So, perhaps send an email to KZbin?

[@jacobvictorfisher]

I use Brave browser in my phone and computer. Haven’t seen a KZbin ad in years.

[@AnthonyL0401]

Get KZbin premium. It's the best money you'll spend if you use KZbin. No ads. I saw your comment and rejoiced because I can watch this video without any interruption.

[@maryyankauskas4309]

Prior authorizations get denied all the time for very necessary treatments.

[@saraazar223]

ZD is a fucking riot. I lol'd so much. Love how his jokes are truthful... learning his outrage from VP & getting ketchup sweats. I've never seen a realer one.

[@Adam-vh9fb]

I truly enjoy the truth you two bring about the events in healthcare going on today.

[@drfrizank]

Excellent episode. Will we ever actually hold accountable the people who were making the horrible, misguided decisions that so damaged our trust in public health? I have yet to hear any apologies for how we demonized good people with rational, dissenting views and questions. Who will stand up for the millions of children forced out of their education? Alt Middle was always the way to go, but our leaders don't seem to learn.

[@bobthebuilder9553]

these are some of the best moments on YT!

[@barbbrazes869]

Love ZDogg and VP! Excellent discussion! Thanks!

[@anncairns1099]

Thank you two 🫂❤️💗👍😊

[@davidlittle6621]

I really like your show, but I wish you would talk about "health care" as what people do for themselves (nutrition, exercise, stress management, sleep, etc.) and "medical care" what doctors do for you. There is a big difference.

[@tommysmith7031]

You could look into Peter Attia and Andrew Huberman, they are both scientists would focus on those things

[@cmv10]

Still looking for something concrete to discuss about masking with my wife. Am I missing something other than the argument was "you're going to get COVID no matter what so what's the point of masking?". I don't think that's common sense, what about us that have toddlers or newborns that aren't vaccinated? Let's just give it to them now since they're going to get COVID in their life? What about the uncertainty of long term effects of COVID and the vaccine? You're telling me treatment isn't going to get better? I get masking isn't ideal but if it reduces the chance of submission and helps to prolong not getting COVID, it still makes a lot of sense to me. For the record I don't want to mask nor make everyone do it, but it makes sense that it reduces the chances of getting it. Also, did not vote for Biden.

[@AnaLucia-wy2ii]

Yes. Toddlers aren’t at risk with Covid. The best thing you can do for them is expose them to Covid now. They will have few to no symptoms.

[@cmv10]

@@AnaLucia-wy2ii not according to CDC where there was 400 hospitalizations last week for 0-5 age group. That factors parents like me who take precautions so it could be higher.

[@wikkadxx]

OMG there have been 78 studies proving the masks don't stop a viris.

[@heidig4593]

YES!!!

[@cyanofelis]

The truth is that masks do work at preventing or mitigating the spread of many illnesses. Its why surgeons and medical personnel have always had to wear them in the OR. I somehow doubt that these people would be okay with their medical provider inadvertantly spraying any kind of inoculum on them when in the compromised position of a patient. It's a basic and proven health measure that relies on concientiousness and empathy for others, which apparently are uncommon qualities. Wearing a mask sometimes around people with weakened immunity or worrisome risk factors, especially if you have a cough or a splutter, is ultimately a common courtesy. Like washing your hands after you blow your nose before touching a doorknob. It's not asking much.

[@alexwyoungmusic]

Love this one

[@TheReligiousLeft]

The VA retrospective study was pretty good for Paxlovid and reduced risk of long covid. Not a huge socioeconomic difference across the VA population.

[@patrickmurray2340]

Retrospective study very low evidence. Watch the snesible medicine episode I think they mention the va study...... Also as an army man and member of my american legion post pretty involved "this is antidotal " majority of people who use the va are or va rated for some reason.. i would think vets who are rated by va would be more likely to get "long covid" due to higher rates of mental health diagnosises.

[@patrickmurray2340]

Again this is just my experience in My american legion post.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@patrickmurray2340 it was a study of just VA patients. The video didn’t talk about it. The study retrospectively looked at veterans who got Paxlovid vs veterans who did not. They are a highly vaccines population as well. The more risk factors for severe disease the more likely Paxlovid caused a reduction in long covid (which better helps imply causation).

[@patrickmurray2340]

@@TheReligiousLeft the question is what disease pathway does long covid follow..... VP also did a video explaining a a research paper published that showed that there is a large reduction in symptoms with an antidepressant in long covid.... And that researchers weren't able to find any lab value to explain their symptoms....

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@patrickmurray2340 there’s multiple proposed mechanisms. Persistent infection and immune response being a popular one. I know Stanford is about to start a randomized trial with 2 weeks of Paxlovid to treat long covid.

[@jacobvictorfisher]

RIP VPZD

[@marcolopez6389]

What happened? I used to watch them and various others over a year ago. I can tell they have changed some of their views and I’m glad about that. But what has happened? No more shows together?

[@MsHope4UsAll]

What happened to this podcast??? I miss you guys. 😢

[@cblv5639]

Is it fair to say if there are animal vectors for Covid-19 there will ALWAYS be Covid-19 as long as there are animals?

[@gbernardwandel4174]

And…snap of a finger no more episodes Curious 🙏🏽

[@JCResDoc94]

*IM BORED!* _JC

[@kingdom8474]

Love you guys.

[@smokedpaprika0791]

V always has great shirts.