Flying Scotsman Dragged Away to Shildon 18 07 2024

With school Summer holidays soon to begin York is sure to be a popular place for people to visit, and for those with an interest in trains many are sure to want to visit the National Railway Museum, home to several famous locomotives. A lot are sure to want to see Flying Scotsman but they are going to be disappointed, she was dragged away to Shildon for some reason.
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[@chrisdavies3913]

Nice to see it out again, albeit in an undignified way! Ive heard its going to some preserved railways later in the year, hopefully if it does it is one close to me.

[@cedarcam]

Yes there are plans to run some main line tours and visits to preserved railways. I was told the reason for being dragged was because some paperwork authorising movement under it's own power had not been one

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

It's hard for it to go out in anything OTHER than an 'undignified way' in its present guise.

[@davidbailey533]

Its part of nrm and as its a new building and display that is opening it makes sense to have the famous scotsman there

[@cedarcam]

It is yes but to me a poor decision to make York a secondary place to visit unless your interest is in activities for kids and cups of tea rather than see restoration of a locomotive and being able to walk all around the exhibits to look at every detail. Shildon looks to have lines of stock you can only walk along one side of

[@HighFell]

Flying Scotsman is heading back to Shildon, the home of railways for the summer. I’m reading m a lot of ill-informed comment. It’s not being tucked away, Locomotion is Europes largest indoor railway museum, it’s bigger than NRM York. Although not permitted on the mainline due to not having a maintenance contract in place (that’s a whole other question) she will be doing passenger rides while at Shildon, they have been advertising it for months! Loads more at Shildon too.

[@cedarcam]

It is now the biggest collection in one place, yes, what puzzles me is why they did not expand York but reduced the amount of space there, the place where every tourist around the world knows. We know Shildon because we know more about our railway history than the average tourist who just wants to spend some of their day at NRM and go to other places in the city.

[@HighFell]

@@cedarcam perhaps the National Science Museum has decided it should educate tourists to where railways came from? I know County Durham Council is supporting activities at Locomotion and the we are proud in the county of our railway history and the increasing acknowledgment. Shildon isn’t a pretty cute town blessed with chic bars and restaurants. Exactly the place that needs a leg up. York is lovely and has many attractions. So does County Durham but it gets less publicity. As I understand, NRM York is undergoing quite a bit of renovation too so hopefully it will soon expand again as works are completed.

[@cedarcam]

@@HighFell It's great to hear the council is supporting Locomotion. I went to Shildon wagon works open day a couple of times and like other railway works there was a lot of pride in what was made there. They were building Merry Go Round coal hoppers and had all the parts of one laid out on a floor like a giant kit. It is many years since I went in town I imagine it is not the town it used to be since so much industry went, it will be good if the locals get more visitors to the town buying things. There are many places to visit in County Durham yes My Father worked in that area and we have been around there but York always gets a lot of publicity the next place Edinburgh. I have met people even from London who think there is nothing in between and told them there is a huge amount. At the moment NRM is undergoing a huge reorganisation but it seems the things moved to Shildon are there to stay the new hall is not even rail connected. I hope in time the NRM will get some of their huge collection of railway items they have in the other building which is full of signalling equipment signs and models.

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

@@cedarcam The New Hall is a disappointment. It resembles storage space, not a museum, and the fact that it isn't rail-connected only emphasises this.

[@cedarcam]

@@tooleyheadbang4239 Thats the impression I got seeing it on a video just after it opened. The tracks are too close together so you can only walk along one side and not enough space between pairs of track, the old hall there has a lot more, so it is not going to be easy to take photos, and worst of all as you say not rail connected so all the stock in there looks like being there for ever.

[@axldelticwalton1238]

Brilliant. Can't believe they left a rag on the running plate lol. You are right also. You would think they would of waited untill atleast September.

[@cedarcam]

I was surprised to see the rag there as well. I thought the driver would of seen it when they set off from the museum. Seems the museum is going downhill these days, everyone knows Flying Scotsman is in York and asks where to see her when they go in the museum.

[@axldelticwalton1238]

@@cedarcam a lot of people from abroad are just visiting York for one or two days are seeing parts of Europe. Very popular with the Japanese, french and Italians to name a few. They will get to York and say Shildon. Where's that ?

[@cedarcam]

@@axldelticwalton1238 Exactly. I have been asked a few times where the museum is and is Flying Scostman there, it's all a lot of visitors to or country know about our trains and want to see. Telling them she is in Shildon an hour away by fast intercity express then a change to a local train they are not going to have time to do it. In York once in the museum and seen Scotsman they would probably look round other things and spend money there.

[@axldelticwalton1238]

@@cedarcam with how the museum is now it's probably busier and the gift shops doing better because of kids but how long will it last ? Once word gets round it's not got as many exhibits as it used to and what are they spending the extra money on ? It's not to drum up more enthusiasts. The NRM is free to visit there's just a donation box at the exit and if they seen to be making too much money weather they spend it or not the government are going to say grant ? You don't need one. What they should be doing is every year budgeting for two diesel and two steam in main line service, it's good advertising. FS can't run for ever and every few years rotate them I'm not saying they can run everything more than half can't run again we know that. Look at some of the vintage carriages some railways look after. They might only come out twice a year like at the KWVR but they manage to run them keep everything in good condition.

[@cedarcam]

@@axldelticwalton1238 It probably is busy now with kids but like you say word will get round there is not much for rail enthusiasts to go for and it will end up with hardly any visitors like us who want to see and learn about things. They used to have great events years ago bringing out exhibits and running locos around or those they could not run open the cab and you could get an explanation of everything. Seems now there are not many staff who know much about trains they just work there. They should also let some locos out on the main again but that is not so easy these days with all the cost of TPWS and Radio having to be fitted, they do not need that on heritage lines though so why not loan things to them It would be great to see some in steam again like they did with Scotsman at KWVR pay £6 to cab them so even if unable to run they could do that, sadly I have a feeling that nothing will be put in steam again and once Scotsman has had it's 10 years I would not be surprised if she was just an indoor exhibit

[@philclarke3203]

Good catch Colin, but a strange move? Seems like alot going to Shildon. Also strange why they didn't give Riley's the contract again? but that's the NRM today sadly.

[@cedarcam]

Thank you Phil. I don't know what the NRM is thinking moving Scotsman just at the start of school holidays when many will visit York and expect to see her, if they think people will then travel all the way to Shildon rather than visit Yorks other attractions I think they are mistaken. With Scotsman in York I think a lot would stay a while in the museum and buy things there. Also Riley's not getting the contract again is strange when they are known for having some of the best people.

[@richardharrold9736]

​@@cedarcam as I understand it, Riley did not even submit a bid for the new contract.

[@cedarcam]

@@richardharrold9736 OK Could be they had enough of operating her then.

[@mightynosebleed7476]

@@cedarcam Riley's did submit a bid and they were as suprised as we were at them not getting it they honestly believed the work they had done during the centenary for the loco had just about secured it for them... The strange thing is it was no suprise to northern steam who immediately had a website update in place the moment it was made public with TFS images ready to go..

[@cedarcam]

@@mightynosebleed7476 Sounds like some deal was made in secret and the bidding process just a formality.

[@vsvnrg3263]

2:40, man reading book called "a dummie's guide on how to drive a steam engine".

[@cedarcam]

LOL

[@user-gk8gg1zt7l]

Good video, like

[@cedarcam]

Thanks

[@Obanaiiguro_299]

I remember being there with my school when it first came we were on the news-

[@cedarcam]

Nice

[@michaeltaylor1869]

Another lovely video well done great camera work as usual I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on KZbin bye for now Philip

[@cedarcam]

Thank you Philip. I am not sure if there is any steam out this week but will probably upload a railway archive one on Wednesday, some of those have been of steam trains.

[@BegudMaximan-zp2tc]

Nice, three generations of traction in one shoot. Steam, diesel, and high speed electric, and all plied the ECML route down the years.

[@cedarcam]

Yes Flying Scotsman stood there around 10 minutes so some video was edited out, A Trans Pennine diesel multiple unit leaves then the ECML Azuma left and the class 37 with Scotsman. Like going back through history with newest to oldest ECML traction in order of age.

[@44662dc]

Could it be that the NRM has allocated a different maintenance company based in the North East instead of Riley's. Never heard of this new company.

[@cedarcam]

Neither have I Denis. The NRM have moved loads out of York there is a lot of cafe area now. I was told Scotsman had to be dragged because some paperwork had not been done so she was unable to run alone

[@whiteroseBR]

a lot of northern steams staff are ex NYMR staff so they should be a decent group

[@cedarcam]

@@whiteroseBR OK A new company of ex NYMR staff, I did not know that thanks for the info

[@MrMWRMWR]

​@cedarcam in my ignorance, I wondered why FS had to be fired up. Does it actually contribute drive power during the move or is it the only way to provide its own braking and maybe that for the attached rolling stock?

[@cedarcam]

@@MrMWRMWR The main reason they are in steam is because the lubrication of cylinders is done with thick steam oil Steam enables the oil to flow around and prevent damage. Locos can be moved slowly for a short distance cold but for long journeys the piston rods would need removing so it is best to steam the engine and keep everything warm. As well as that yes the steam brake could be used if needed but the diesel controls the brakes on every vehicle normally.

[@mikeking2539]

Cool a 37 and Flying Scotsman. 😊🙂

[@robertbate5790]

Disappointing not to be at York, but may due an exam or similar. It's been out and about a while? Great video 👍👍👍

[@cedarcam]

Thank you Robert Yes I am sure a lot will ask where she is and be disappointed. Going to Shildon is not something you can do if you are just visiting York for a day and want to do other things. I really have no idea why she is going there just as the holidays begin

[@robertbate5790]

@@cedarcam Yes, York to Shildon is a day out on its own. I lived at Newton Aycliffe all through the 80s, returning to Birmingham in 91, before the new museum was even a proposal.

[@cedarcam]

@@robertbate5790 Not sure when it opened. I have been a few times but it is a day out on it's own so been a while since my last visit

[@TriGogglin]

Such a beautiful loco sad they are tucking it away. Thanks for sharing this

[@cedarcam]

I would say she is our most famous locomotive been over there years ago and did two tours of the country also toured Australia. Wherever she goes crowds flock to the trackside to watch her pass, so moves like this are done on the quiet to stop trespassers going on the track for a closer look, which has happened a few times. even so a couple of US tourists were on the platform asking us when she was coming. So now our National museum has sent her to their other lesser known place just at the start of summer when many would want to see her on display.

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

@@cedarcam Oh yes, that's right. Shildon. That 'lesser-known place ' where it all started!

[@cedarcam]

@@tooleyheadbang4239 Yes a very important town in railway history but like the two from US who had somehow heard Scotsman was coming in had no idea where Shildon is

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

@@cedarcam The thirst for knowledge is our strength. It distinguishes us from beasts.

[@cedarcam]

@@tooleyheadbang4239 Very true I always like to learn something new

[@stephenbagwell8275]

It's scheduled to be on display and providing footplate rides at Locomotion in Shildon

[@cedarcam]

OK Well it would be better if they could of done that in York where visitors can do other things with their day than have to go all the way to Shildon where that is the only attraction, they did away with the yard at York though so no more events like that again.

[@stephenbagwell8275]

@@cedarcam they’ve got New Hall open now at Locomotion so maybe need Flying Scotsman there to attract more visitors earn money

[@cedarcam]

@@stephenbagwell8275 Yes I saw it was open and will visit one day. I am not opposed to having a museum at Shildon, historicaly a very important railway town, it is just the logic behind moving so much of the collection away from what is a world famous museum people from many countries want to visit as part of their day or two in York I do not understand. Maybe you are right they are doing it to attract more visitors to the new museum but how many will take a day out of their holiday to go I could not say.

[@stephenbagwell8275]

@@cedarcam I went to Locomotion on 28th June I should have waited a few weeks for Flying Scotsman to be there The footplate rides are sold out The maybe put a Deltic in its place at York Is a HST or Class 91 a better Flying Scotsman locomotive anyway?

[@sithlordofoz]

@@cedarcam Ever since they took out the second turntable York hasn't been the same. It seems to be getting more and more commercial and less and less railway every time I visit. I'd be making the effort to go to Shildon, 4472 or not.

[@imogenharrison3432]

The obsession with this loco. It's Triggers broom, there is nothing left of the original.

[@Conan500]

She should be out running on the mainline, not tucked away in Shildon.

[@cedarcam]

She will be out on the main again. A new contract is being finalised for later in the year

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

... or York.

[@paulkeightley6545]

It ought to have gone to Booths at Rotherham!

[@cedarcam]

Sure scrap all history don't let anyone see anything from when Britain was Great. LOL

[@paulkeightley6545]

Nothing great about the flying moneypit & not much original that's on it either! Plenty of better steam locos around than that pile of junk!

[@brianwillson9567]

Booths would not want it. All Scotsmen owners plunge into insolvency.

[@paulkeightley6545]

Plenty of better steam locos about with history than that overrated pile of junk!

[@cedarcam]

@@paulkeightley6545 You said that last time, judging by the way views have shot up since then a lot must like to see Flying Scotsman

[@DennosManCave]

Interesting that they steamed her for the journey. Is it better for the loco do be dragged in steam than as a dead weight?

[@vernongoodey5096]

Ex railway engineer here. From my experience you can run a dead loco at slow speed without to much problem. As it’s off up the East Coast mainline it will have to run with modern traction so it will be better lubricated working normally. ie the lubricators will be functioning correctly.

[@chrisredding6673]

Also. if you put very light steam on while nobody is looking, that keeps the cylinders warm and oiled. 🙂

[@daystatesniper01]

Good video , wonder why she didn't go to Shildon under her own power ? like she did when visiting Toton for tire turning

[@cedarcam]

Thank you daystate. I was told it was because some paperwork has not been done to authorise her to run alone.

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

@@cedarcam I suppose we have to be grateful that the paperwork allows her to run at all! It took a lot of effort to overturn BR's blanket ban!

[@cedarcam]

@@tooleyheadbang4239 Yes I remember when this was the only locomotive allowed to run on the main and that was a rare thing to see

[@Zanderguard]

Hopefully they get rid of the ugly AF smoke deflectors and revert her back to how she looked in her prime.

[@cedarcam]

A lot say that and put her back in apple green I doubt the deflectors will be removed they will say elf n safety for main line running even though she ran years without them

[@davidgray2653]

Who is pushing or pulling?

[@cedarcam]

Officially 37 706 I like to think Flying Scotman did a little work along the way as well though