cEDH Decks in Japan are WILD | Top 12 Breakdown

[@LemorasCards]

Which of these decks was your favorite? What Japanese tech are you looking to add to your list? Let me know down below!

[@eliasescamilla2556]

I added a comment earlier..but I don’t think it went through. But I’m interested in adding some tech from the Yeva player I was going against in round 6. He had three gae cradle like effects on board and attempted to win at instant speed on my final turn. Really fun opponent in the end. But if you’re ever interested in talking about the God of commander tournaments here, let me know! I’ll be playing in God of commander 8 tournament as well.

[@yakumomitsu]

10th R&T player is me. Thanks for introducing JAPANESE CEDH list! Every Japanese are Ninja you know, So We always cast Cabal Therapy and resolve called MANA CRYPT. Just kidding. In Japan, everyone depend to The one ring. Remora,Rhystic,and Mastermind too. Hand destruction is only one solution for BR TurboNaus defeating The One ring and Blue Nard. Karn too. And WoF isn't casted as much as the American metagame.So Our pile has many lands.

[@LemorasCards]

I love showing off the Japanese deck lists! The hand disruption makes a lot of sense. It's so hard to deal with the number of cards these decks can draw right now. Very big fan of your list, and thank you for reaching out about what your meta looks like!

[@Eric_theMAD_King]

Love the decklist, personally a big fan of the way Korvold decks are designed in Japan.

[@masatokikuta5664]

One thing you have to consider rules of this tournament, 60mins for each round, no draw points means if go to draw, everybody lose the point. That's why everybody builid a deck faster one.

[@guillaume53681]

In japan, EDH is mainly approached as any other format, with a very competitive mindset. There is almost not politics and in my experience at least one combo in every deck. I think that the base is a lot higher than in other countries. Its really hard to get a real casual game here.

[@Paddywoodman]

Onwards champion, thank you for your breakdown of this meta, so insightful. We all appreciate you're struggling of late and turely love the content. Thank you

[@LemorasCards]

Glad you're enjoying it! I love doing these.

[@krazykilper]

@25:55 "I am serious. And don't call me Shirley."

[@pippofelipe6901]

Love those breakdowns man, one of the best!

[@LemorasCards]

Thank you!

[@gtoast_99]

Tiny rules quirk for you - you can't put stickers on permanents you don't OWN. So even if you have a sticker deck, you can't sticker someone else's Goblin if you cast it w MemeBet or bring it back with reanimate, and you get no mana. You can sticker a COPY of the goblin though, since you own the copy, so running a sticker deck is still technically optimal.

[@zchadowhd]

You can only place stickers on permanents you own?

[@gtoast_99]

@@zchadowhd correct. 123.3b A player can’t put a sticker on an object that they don’t own. If an effect would cause them to do so, that part of the effect does nothing.

[@impendio]

I’m positive that is broken for name-sticker goblin in mtgo, because i can swear i’ve seen it trigger from a reanimate.

[@gtoast_99]

yeah, the MTGO version has completely different text to avoid having to program "stickers", so it does work online. But not in paper. Thanks Wizards! @@impendio

[@hodlsage8968]

​@impendio Name Sticker Goblin has nothing to do with stickers... It's just the card name. With Name Sticker, you roll a D20 and get red mana...

[@ianleggett8429]

That Kinnan list is interesting. I’d say over here the more midrange version is more common. I actually prefer the turbo Kinnan myself, I’ll have to add some of this tech into my list.

[@GhoulsNBools]

Your commentary is always 👌👌👌 one of the few good hosts for our format

[@LemorasCards]

Thank you! I do my best. I'm really hoping to do some tournament commentary at some point this year.

[@ulavala3798]

The Japanese meta is simply very focused on broken cards like TOR, Bowmasters, and Dockside. Breach exists and they play hate for it, but those three are the focus of the meta. As a result, 99% of successful decks run meaningful ways of interacting with them and bouncing off them. Additionally, they really value the ability to take relevant game actions late into the game and keep drawing cards, which is why synergy pieces are so big in Japan, in addition to powerhouses like Braids and Ghostly Pilferer. Things that can attack honest gameplans like Languish and Damn are also very powerful if the deck can afford it, plus card advantage engines that operate on another axis like Azusa so that decks can still progress their gameplan through intensely staxed boards or through high volumes of interaction. In the USA, our turbo decks tend to play the bare minimum when it comes to card advantage engines and don't lean into synergy as much, meaning they're more easily shut down by traditional hate pieces.

[@BisyBackson365]

These interaction packages. It's nuts we are in Rhystic Hell and they are trying to win t2 every game.

[@chasesimmons3053]

The permanent hourglass brings back are tapped. It's still good, played it in Titania and it goes crazy

[@LemorasCards]

Yep, I realized this when I was editing! Definitely still worth it with how they're using it.

[@mandielyn0416]

I really dislike the automatic final table seat for the prior winner. I could get on board with a bye for the Swiss but to go straight to the final is absurd.

[@LemorasCards]

it's definitely a wildly different approach to what we have. It's one of those things that to me seems fine enough if the series is small, but the bigger it gets the more absurd it starts to seem. Can definitely make it feel like a lot of the games don't matter.

[@AQuietMyth]

For the record Yawgmoth's activation is all one thing. Efficient answer to bowmasters but does cause one trigger

[@LemorasCards]

Yep, I meant you get to pop it, and then do the rest of your draws.

[@hayokamikaze5896]

Rath's Edge doing something besides the German translation having a funny interaction with R&D's Secret Lair? Wild.

[@thanatoscharun]

nhl scheming fence looks fun but i don't play in those colors. definitely looking at adding in braids to some decks

[@dunzhen]

i like that it's more midrangey, creature heavy - and not heavy on interaction. less about fking you over but playing my game and making sure i can, maybe im wrong

[@jmcomparan]

Darkblast is my fav mtg card, super niche but also super underrated for yard decks. Also, notably can kill 2/2s by itself because you can cast it in upkeep and dredge it for draw. Love it so much

[@aklepatzky]

2 mana skip your draw phase: target creature gets -2/-2 Sounds pretty awful if we phrase it this way right?

[@Winterhe4rt]

some guy: plays 1 more creature that usual cedh players: "hey, is this a midrange deck?"

[@LemorasCards]

Hey, it's cEDH, its a fair presumption that every deck is a Midrange deck 😤

[@JakeForste]

*dunnnnnn dunuhhh dunnnnnnn* ...AND OUT COMES GHOSTLY PILFERER TO THE JOHN CENA THEME SONG!

[@jaedesouza4589]

I was actually waiting on you to go deeper into the Japanese meta

[@LemorasCards]

Might have to interview an inside source at some point 🤔

[@Inspectornills]

this is what I like about Japanese players, they always have a competitive mindset. I appreciate the fact that they actually bring sticker sheets and are serious about them, when compared to western players who always whine and complain about stickers.

[@toctheyounger]

I run the Phyrexian staff in a bruna the fading light stac beats list. Its a good way to drop your stax pieces when you need to get around them, while also giving draw. I have no idea why its in these lists though lol

[@LemorasCards]

There are a few cute synergies here like Gilded Drake and Wishclaw Talisman, the draw will be used sometimes of course, the proliferate might come up in the Tevesh list, but yeah overall it just doesn't seem like it would be that worth it. Need to see it in game.

[@DrOmnipotent]

Cool video. Cool to see some tech cards ive been using are also being run across the pond. Also i genuinely hate attraction goblin so much why do i have to bring things to play smh

[@LightBulbPlayz]

I'm really curious about staff of compleation. I guess if you are on one ring and Tevesh then proliferate, it might not be the worst thing to do. It is versatile with card draw or mana production on 1 card. The best i can think of is that it's doing something every turn, even if it isn't at the preferred rate. But i'd love to see it in play so we can see how it performs.

[@LemorasCards]

It's a card that doesn't read super powerful, but maybe in practice it has enough flexibility that it ends up worth the slot.

[@SLowMtG]

Thanks for the coverage. Would be nice to link to the live stream where you got your info for everyone to watch. The Hareruya channel.

[@LemorasCards]

Good point, I'll add that to the description. I haven't watched much of it since it can be tough to follow not speaking Japanese, but it is cool to get to see some of these decks play out.

[@SLowMtG]

@@LemorasCards appreciate the response. The KZbin closed captions does a decent job of translating the japanese and if you know the cards, you can typically follow the plays.

[@SirStickBug]

10:45 You actually cannot get Engineered Explosives with Saga. Saga says an artifact with mana cost 1 or 0, not mana value.

[@LemorasCards]

True, plus probably pretty niche to do that even if you could.

[@raedien]

Hourglass does bring them back tapped. And as new permanents they do not have the Rain of Filth ability.

[@LemorasCards]

No, fortunately you can do it all again with the Squandered Resources though.

[@raedien]

@@LemorasCards yeah Squandered is siiiick.

[@MageSkeleton]

3:22 it's interesting there's no Ivy Lane Denezen nor Baloth. 7:48 Urborg, in a meta flooded with non basic lands, allows you to tap lands like Ancient Tomb and Fetch Lands for a black mana. What i find interesting is there appears to be no Cabal Coffers and they're not running Crypt Ghast nor Bubbling Muck. 10:20 it might be a lazy input meant to had been a Snow Covered Swamp.

[@damo9961]

Cabal Coffers is too slow for Cedh, no decks run it.

[@wesjaguar]

I picked up the tech Mystical Teachings from the Japanese.

[@damo9961]

You trigger Beanstalk off Korvold then sac it to Korvold. It's 2 mana draw 3 as the floor

[@LemorasCards]

The floor is probably 2 mana draw a card because you didn't get to cast Korvold, but I'm curious how it performs overall.

[@damo9961]

yeah but are you ever winning a game where you didn't get to cast Korvold? @@LemorasCards

[@LemorasCards]

@@damo9961 in builds of Korvold I've played, yes absolutely. In this build maybe not though.

[@kingsquibblebort]

What other sticker cards have seen play in the format besides Mind Goblin?

[@LemorasCards]

Not many, ive seen Last Voyage of the ____ in some really dedicated animate dead combo decks, and the teshar deck here has Ticketomaton, but i genuinely have no idea why it's in the deck.

[@bobthor9647]

My local Meta is 25% newbies with casual decks , 10% tivit 10% blue farm, which deck should i play to win big ? 🤔

[@LemorasCards]

Hard to argue against Kinnan. Can go faster than those meta decks, is usually very resilient in bogged down weird staxy games that fringe decks cause. If you're playing against actual casual lists that are okay to play against cedh players, the downside of kinnan is that there will be more boardwipes than usual. Could also go rog/si if you just wanna jam wins.

[@bobthor9647]

@@LemorasCards ty 😊

[@tylersmith1992]

I want to see the winning T K list. Where is it

[@LemorasCards]

www.moxfield.com/decks/8EZGy9CPTkCRUZl6_nx7FQ

[@mgarratt101]

I place far more value in tournaments from Japan for several reasons, they aren't influenced by English speaking KZbin channels meaning 100 sheep aren't jumping on Comedian's deck lists and secondly they aren't plagued with cheaters like the online Mox Masters and Kaos tournaments

[@LemorasCards]

I do think they're still getting American/European influence, though maybe not as directly or to the same extent.

[@grecogomezrubio2555]

isn't Urborg ilegal in monoW?

[@LemorasCards]

Nope! It's a colorless card like all lands, and it doesn't have the tap for black ability unless its in play, so fine in any deck same as Yavimaya.

[@TripsAhoy]

I was thinking that as well but yeah it's legal.

[@TripsAhoy]

Good stuff.

[@LemorasCards]

Thank ya!

[@Holden_Prio]

Not a huge deal but you can’t get eng explosives off of Urza’s Saga

[@hodlsage8968]

FYI - Name Sticker Goblin has nothing to do with stickers... It's just the card name. With Name Sticker, you roll a D20 and get an amount of red mana based on the number you roll. Good times...

[@LemorasCards]

MTGO making things too confusing smh. Wish the real one did work that way.

[@hodlsage8968]

@LemorasCards Yep, you were thinking of _____ Goblin. Name Sticker is epic, free mana ( at least 1 red ). I run him in my Vintage Cube.... HASBORO/WOTC is killing the game with the new mechanics, It is making the game crazy! Craft, Discover, Descend, Roles, Cloak, Disguise, Investigate, Collect Evidence, WTF ? Just leave it alone. We have enough mechanics !!!

[@Dracomandriuthus]

​@@hodlsage8968investigate is almost 8 years old at this point.

[@PoYi-fi1zt]

Where to get the deck list?

[@LemorasCards]

docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/160SJ4jFo_iXBK9uRUkagrvO4_FPnnntusk1Hv4Gb2bc/mobilebasic

[@Epiclesis]

The idea of commenting decks is to prepare a basic but solid notion on why the cards work together. It was fun when you knew what you were talking about though.

[@shadywhiteguy]

Wtf is a sticker card

[@LemorasCards]

A messy RNG mechanic from Unfinity, basically just affects how much mana you can make with the goblin.

[@GoldSabertooth]

Alchemist’s Retrieval IS mid

[@LemorasCards]

I feel like whenever someone casts it their win percentage goes down immediately.