Avoid These cEDH Mistakes!

[@LemorasCards]

What are some of the biggest rules mistakes you see players make in cEDH? Let me know down below!

[@Joolenplus]

People thinking they get protection from one ring off tezzeret the seeker or transmute artifact. People not realizing that tainted pact hitting 2 of the same named basic makes it stop. People thinking clones target when they don't.

[@Sarkhamy]

Can I get a clarification. Talion doesn't get to choose a number of he etbs with a dress down on the table right? It's similar to how all lands enter etb with blood moon in play.

[@LemorasCards]

@@Sarkhamy yeah talion won't pick a number

[@aaronwindham6065]

Actually buying the cards, instead of proxying till you know what you want to play.

[@unequalgaming]

One thing of note for opposition agent since you're fully controlling the player you have access to all hidden information so anything exiled face down or their hand. I always get weird looks when I ask to see their hand when I flash in an oppo.

[@PaulissVegan]

man that's huge

[@Yukamii]

@@unequalgaming pretty sure some things exiled face down are not revealed info for a player that owns it. So you may have to see if its known knowlege for the player thats getting oppoed

[@WinterSaturn]

Going into my first cEDH tournament next month. Great things to know!

[@LemorasCards]

Good luck! You've got this.

[@midnalight6419]

8:40. In a tournament setting, if someone "prepays" for rhystic, that's a bleed. Once they've tapped mana and put something on the stack, they can't untwiddle that mana. Giving them room to walk back is a grv and also inoptimal.

[@OneTimeImp902]

It's funny how the art for Necropotence that you chose to explain the trigger actually reads out as a replacement effect, it got me honestly haha

[@LemorasCards]

I definitely should've used a newer printing, the old one just goes so hard

[@swwordman]

​@@LemorasCards it's still the best one.

[@altered_beast_of_burden]

That Deckmaster's foil with the Ice Age art is the sickest printing imo too. Love it!

[@sylvandata]

Sylvan Library is a trigger. You draw for turn (keep it separate) and can respond to the draw trigger. Most relevant, with a worldly tutor or something similar. Also, Library is a may. If someone flashes in bowmasters, you do not need to draw.

[@Logic-cg7qy]

Also, Sylvan cares about total cards drawn this turn, not just with it's own ability. Meaning you can, for example, tap The One Ring in your upkeep to draw cards, then draw 2 extra with Sylvan, then put back cards you drew with The One Ring.

[@altered_beast_of_burden]

Great video bro, should've seen my face when I realized I've been playing Eldritch Evolution for years and never ONCE read the exile clause on the last line. Could you please do more explanations on how layers work in a future video? I feel like after mastering the stack and priority, layers are one of the hardest concepts to understand. And you are really good great at articulating rules! Some of the biggest mistakes I see players make at my tables: ~Using artifacts that clone creatures like Machine God's Effigy and forgetting they have summoning sickness ~Treating cards like Cryptolith Rite and Insidious Roots as if they were Earthcraft or Urza, Lord High Artificer ~Shuffling techniques that are technically cheating ~Never understanding how Urza's Saga interacts with land altering static abilities ~The timing on the payment of costs ~Endurance's ETB trigger puts a player's graveyard on the bottom of it's owner's library in a random order, it does not shuffle them into the library ~Kinnan players trying to put a Trophy Mage into play with his ability ~Misunderstanding Tayam and Krark/Sakashima lines

[@LemorasCards]

Thank you, I'll definitely do some similar stuff going forward. I will say with Machine Gods Effigy specifically that it won't have summoning sickness because it isn't a creature.

[@BadConAngel]

LOVE this video. I'm new to cEDH and tips like this are going to be really helpful!

[@busterbros]

Another really cool interaction with Gilded Drake, when someone is trying to Drake another opponent's creature, you can two for one them with a removal spell responding to the ETB. From the Gatherer text: "If the chosen creature to exchange is not on the battlefield at resolution, then sacrifice this card. (2004-10-04)"

[@PaulissVegan]

does Volatile Stormdrake get around this flaw?

[@dustinowen6377]

As someone who is new to cEDH and is hoping to have a deck soon, I really appreciate this info.

[@LemorasCards]

@@dustinowen6377 glad it's helpful!

[@extreme_killage4940]

This was an awesome video topic! Would love to see more like this. Maybe even common mistakes made when resolving certain lines or something like that?

[@LemorasCards]

That's probably a good idea, especially with wincons that have more moving pieces or fail cases.

[@jesusalbertovargascastro632]

Amazing video! I didn't know about the layer thing between Magus and Dress Down. Also, I've been wrongly using the alternate cost for Deflecting and Fierce when having Underworld Breach on the battlefield. Thanks man!

[@LemorasCards]

Thank you! Super happy to help!

[@ghost64626]

One I see messed up a lot is Mana vault. The trigger to untap it is on upkeep but the trigger to take the damage isn't until the draw step. So if you have a necropotence out, you won't take the one from mana vault

[@alexreed8923]

I'd love some kind of patron/coaching thing for just getting into the format, that seems incredibly useful. Looking over decks too, that seems equal parts fun and insightful

[@B1gLupu]

The CEDH discord did a the "mentor program" like 5 years ago, dunno if its still a thing.

[@Yukamii]

Idk if it was mentioned but the first thing i saw was gemstone caverns doesnt let the turn 1 seat pregame it. Im posting this b4 the vids start btw. But its my first real rule relization ive had

[@jacobbrickane]

Went for pre-emptive Hoarding Broodlord Saw in Half play, completely forgetting Niv player's Spellskite. Fizzled hard. He got two spell skites xD

[@aquamaton]

This might be the most helpful Magic related video I've ever watched as a relatively casual player.

[@LemorasCards]

Thank you! I love to hear it.

[@intention21]

Learning about necropotence and lions eye today allowed me to play differently and more effective. Thank you for that

[@LemorasCards]

happy to hear it!

[@noahcheng2401]

Wait that necropotence one is so huge

[@liuzhanyao9182]

I love how d background photo is Deathrite Shaman, cos alot of players didn't realized they can respond to DRS's first ability. It's not a mana ability n can be responded to

[@LemorasCards]

Big annoyance of DRS people forget is how you can respond to your opponent trying to make mana by using yours to do it instead lol.

[@MisplayedInteraction]

Great video brother! Loving all the content lately!

[@LemorasCards]

Thank you!

[@flashoxmtg]

Great idea for a video! I've definitely made some of these mistakes before

[@BedroomPianist]

12:24 Shoulda used a newer version of Necropotence, I was staring at it wondering how you respond to a replacement effect until I pulled up the Oracle text and figured out that it got errata'd to be a trigger

[@Just_joe01]

Another great video! Definitely would like to see more like these.

[@LemorasCards]

Thank you!

[@dylancrocker9823]

When you activate wish claw talisman you tutor then give an opponent the talisman. In magic you do the things in operation of the ability. So you don't have to answer who gets the talisman until you are done tutoring.

[@rav5373]

If replacement effects apply to you or your stuff, you get to order them how you want. It's important with stuff like Torbran and Ojer Axonil(can first give +2 dmg and then set it to 4 rather than first set to 4 and then +2=6) or Dauthi Voidwalker and Stone of Erech(you can have the card be just exiled rather than be exiled under Dauthi so that they can't play it).

[@ShmeepShmop239]

This was phenomenal, would live more content like this ❤

[@LemorasCards]

Thank ya!

[@toctheyounger]

Notably Reclamation does not need to be flashed back to copy itself, too. You can absolutely pay 2W with breach in play and it will still copy itself.

[@TheRealMonstaa]

Great video! One mistake that comes in mind that I see sometimes is that someone tries to counter ninjutsu with a counterspell even though it's an activated ability! Same goes for the NEO channel lands. Have a good one!

[@LemorasCards]

Yeah ninjutsu has its own other rules weirdness on top of that that people mess up too.

[@danielschmidt7143]

Could you technically stifle that then?

[@TheRealMonstaa]

@@danielschmidt7143 Yes, definitely!

[@samuelbrousseau7731]

Great quality content, thanks!

[@LemorasCards]

thank you!

[@jordanderbidge532]

Another Necropotence thing. It allows you to circumvent silence effects. Let’s say you pay a bunch of life to Necro and another player plays silence before you get the cards. That’s fine. When you move to cleanup, you discard to hand size and ALL EFFECTS THAT LAST UNTIL END OF TURN CEASE. However, discarding cards caused a Necro trigger. This means players get extra rounds of priority since the stack isn’t empty. Know what that means? You are no longer silenced and can try to win with Born Upon a Wind.

[@LemorasCards]

I actually recorded a segment about that but it ended up being a little long for what was relatively niche advice, though I have had that scenario come up for me in a tournament game before.

[@IBloy]

13:52 Are you sure about that? I found a reddit post claiming the opposite, referring to rule 605.1b. In that case Kinnans triggered ability is a mana ability so it cant be responded to? 605.1b A triggered ability is a mana ability if it meets all of the following criteria: it doesn’t require a target (see rule 115.6), it triggers from the resolution of an activated mana ability (see rule 605.1a) or from mana being added to a player’s mana pool, and it could add mana to a player’s mana pool when it resolves. In addition: 605.4a A triggered mana ability doesn’t go on the stack, so it can’t be targeted, countered, or otherwise responded to. Rather, it resolves immediately after the mana ability that triggered it, without waiting for priority.

[@LemorasCards]

This is correct, I edited this out but it takes a bit for the KZbin editor to update.

[@IBloy]

​@@LemorasCards I see! Thanks for the clarification! Btw love your content and probably the reason i began with cedh. Keep it up!

[@LemorasCards]

@@IBloy thank you! happy to hear it!

[@Cryxboy]

Kinnan’s ability is not a mana ability, unless you’re referring to the mana generation and not the 7 mana activated ability. Kinnan’s activated ability will go on the stack, and then can be responded to. But the finding of a creature and it hitting the battlefield can not be responded to once priority is passed around the table after activation.

[@IBloy]

@@Cryxboy We were talking about the triggered ability, not the 7 mana activated.

[@jaysuede2627]

I've messed up the Sevinne's Reclamation thing more than once. Happens in the heat of battle.

[@HamsterLover1337]

Very informative information, knew most rulings though :)

[@stevenalverson2203]

Hope you make it up to Blue 1 next month! Enjoyed the video didn't know alot of these

[@LemorasCards]

Currently still planning to!

[@Sarkhamy]

I don't think it's wrong the red blast the thoracle in the stack instead of relying on your opponents to have the counterspell for the forbidden tutor. You can only react to one of these things if that's your only interaction, but the point is still solid

[@LemorasCards]

The main point for that is to give them the chance to pass to you if they're up first in priority, don't just jump ahead and say you want to respond before they pass.

[@jonathanstarkey8097]

loved this video if u could do more in the future that would be amazing

[@LemorasCards]

@@jonathanstarkey8097 thank ya! Probably gonna do another one soon.

[@panzerjaeger3847]

You can cast deflecting swat on a spell or ability or permanent as long as there is a stack to interact with. It’s valid play but it’s just that your swat does nothing

[@robertspears8259]

If daulthi and leyline of the void is out. The owner of the effected spell or permanent chooses which effects it.

[@LemorasCards]

The big one I see with Dauthi is people thinking it matters which dauthi it goes under if theres multiple, but all that matters is if the exiled card is yours or not.

[@eddipl5055]

I was wondering with the guilded drake: if you let it resolved and the owner of the spell already mentioned the target, it means that you already passed priority, therefore, i would not be able to cast sword to plowshares right?

[@LemorasCards]

@eddipl5055 no, when it resolves, the trigger goes on the stack and the owner of the trigger immediately has to name a target. Then priority goes around for the trigger to resolve.

[@eddipl5055]

Thank you for taking the time to answer, now I get it !

[@TonyTmtg]

Great video, thank you!

[@LemorasCards]

Thank you!

[@Tryc3]

This video is therapeutic for competitive players 😂

[@the_breakfastclub]

This was (once again!) super helpful but I guess I have to rewatch a couple of times to grasp all the info 😂 A question to something u mentioned: Casting Thoracle, holding Prio and cast Consult. I never really got the point of this. In my head, it’s far safer to cast thoracle, see if it resolves, let the trigger enter the stack and hold Prio on the trigger to cast consult. This way u are not risking exiling you library just to get thassa countered and be left with nothing. Is there some advantage I‘m missing from holding Prio right on the Thassa cast?

[@LemorasCards]

That's the usual correct way, I may have used shorthand here but yes I mean holding priority on the trigger. Though sometimes other timing may make sense, mainly reverse thoracle, based on context.

[@personagem97]

Sylvan Library and draw effects on upkeep is weeeeird.

[@MeddlingMage]

Very useful video, thank you 🎉

[@LemorasCards]

Glad it was helpful!

[@NicolasandDad]

On cast of nevermore can I name a card, then when it enters the battlefield name the card that I want to actually use or is that cheating… same for any of these like the clone… can I put out a dummy name since it’s not actually on the stack to slip counterspells

[@JohnSignsOn]

You can name a card when you cast Nevermore. However, if all your opponents decide to let it resolve, that will be your decision made, not allowed to name a different card. This is because you're proposing a shortcut to the point when Nevermore has resolved and you would choose a card name. If you name a card and somebody responds to the cast of Nevermore, you will be able to choose a new card name as it enters.

[@alanschellenberger9356]

Personally I think a common mistake is taking game actions that impact your opponents when you are dead on board . If an opponent is attacking you with lethal damage and removing one of the creatures does not save you, you should not use a removal spell on that creature.

[@sylvandata]

Super, super tiny. But it gets under my skin; Vault has two triggers. Upkeep let's you pay mana to untap it. In draw step, if it is tapped, you lose 1 life. See a bunch of players lose life in upkeep (which normally doesn't matter).

[@LemorasCards]

It does come up specifically with Necropotence, you skip your draw step so no damage.

[@Logic-cg7qy]

*Vault is not life loss, it is damage (which normally doesn't matter).

[@TripsAhoy]

Good stuff. ❤❤❤

[@LemorasCards]

Thank you!

[@arseniipetrov5536]

Mox Amber doesn't produce blue/black only with Rogragh in play.

[@swwordman]

Does Yuriko also get around Drannith?

[@LemorasCards]

Yes!

[@ScorpioneOrzion]

these tips are also usefull in casual

[@jarredjenkins8054]

Omfg do you know how many times i have not exiled my own eldritch evolution after resolution?? I have even used noxious revival to grab it back from the grave... Whoops.. sorry guys lol

[@LemorasCards]

⚠️ CHEATER ALERT ⚠️

[@Crustgg]

1 minute ago! It’s my lucky day