cEDH Gameplay with Shauna! Omnath vs Talion vs Niv-Mizzet vs Stella Lee

[@andrewcapuno3507]

Fizzling the commandeer feel more like a spite play to me. I dont think it would be kingmaking to let the commandeer resolve.

[@khrayzeegaming2389]

This could be one of the best talion games I've ever seen.

[@backonthestack]

It was wild!!!

[@noah.rueben]

this is my favorite magic podcast!! i love the videos please don’t stop making content! ❤

[@backonthestack]

Thank you!

[@brianperez4823]

What a game!!! The interactions are intense

[@backonthestack]

They were! Super fun game to play! Thanks for watching!

[@BearClaymore]

Great game. Good job on editing and narrating. @shauna did great playing the long game and keeping fish for 5 turns total! Card draw was insane and this is why trouble in pairs is bonkers in cEDH. Also, cEDH players have a different mindset as it comes to king-making (at least we should). We should play to our outs and keep the question “how do i win this game?” always in mind. If you don’t try to keep yourself alive you miss the chance (as slim as it may be) of winning the game. You never know what the next player will do! I enjoyed the game!

[@backonthestack]

Thanks for watching!

[@CstylesX]

I think the kingmaking thought process was interesting to include. Is it kingmaking to allow one player to gain value or advantage off of your spell if you are dead either way? I tend to agree with the call Eli made, especially after using up so much of his interaction. Excellent game!

[@backonthestack]

Thank you for watching!!

[@KnightLocker_MTG]

I have some thoughts on this king making situation. My CEDH mind set is all “I care about is me not winning and not losing,” that’s how I build decks and play the game. If I Bring that mindset to the situation, I gain no benefit from fizzling the commandeer and I am then just picking favorites. If this was a tournament game and I gained benefits from a draw. I would have fizzled the commandeer to prolong the game to give myself an opportunity at a draw. If this was “casual” CEDH game with close friends then I would do whatever I thought was fun.

[@backonthestack]

Eli here- I think Levi fell into that situation. Levi Jock and I play pick up games all the time and are very close. But whenever we do play with each other, we treat almost every game as if it were a tournament game. We play with the mindset to win every time. So when it came down to the commandeer, Levi did what he thought was the best play at the time after the table discussed and came to that conclusion

[@coolColombianguy]

Talion for the win! I have that combo in my build, it's so sneaky but effective. Also, that commandeer play was a tough call / play. Specially because after drawing out people's counters then suicides. Just a tough call.

[@backonthestack]

Oh 100%. We knew it would be controversial to people regardless of which way it played out. But the table discussed and came to that conclusion

[@erikrubino6605]

I feel iffy on the "king making comment" mostly because eli just spent 3 counters to do that play. Is killing yourself not just king making the next player, luckily shauna had a counter, but if not then you just pulled 3 counters for a player to kill yourself and invalidate the whole play. Feels like reverse king making. In a tournament I'd do it for the chance at a draw, but in this moment it felt more like punting it to the next player. The only real explanation for it being reasonable I guess is that all the cards are in play and the stella player has to factor that in. But I'm totally unsurprised talion won because of all the counters going out of hand on that turn. Good on eli for trying again, does shauna not also just king make by pyroblasting knowing she's dead to combat? (edit I guess she did get 1 draw) but still, it's kinda king makey)

[@backonthestack]

So this is a good one. We knew prior to putting this video out that a comment like this was inevitable. Eli was in a situation where with Cyc Rift on the stack, he had the largest board presence. If he does not interact here, he absolutely looses the game prior to getting another turn. However, once Eli put commandeer on the stack, the table had a HUGE discussion around it. It was literally close to ten minutes of discussion prior to Levi fetching and choosing to the clear the stack. For the sake of the rest of the game (also being close to 2 hours at this point), both JRock and Shauna along with Eli came to the conclusion that Levi should indeed fetch. It was going to be perceived as king making either way but the table felt like this was the best path forward. Hopefully this adds some context to the situation around the play.

[@lukemortensen801]

@@backonthestack I think it is kingmaking either way. I think he should do what he wants and this decision certainly made for better content

[@DGlattiator]

Amazing game. Sad to see two deaths by final fortune, but that is the gamble. Also, twisted fealty would be pronounced Feel Tea

[@jerrickalsteen3950]

Thanks for the pronunciation. First time I’ve ever seen the card and thought I had it correct, but oh well…. English is hard sometimes 😂

[@DerpyLaron]

12:28 How is that less king making than denying the person the spell. He had no outs, yes for two of the remaining players it is better, but for one it is considerably worse. That's some casual logik with "honorable death"

[@PartTimeEuphoRia]

I don't think ive ever seen fish do so much, and yet so little

[@dubschloss]

How is second place and nearly winning "doing so little?" I'm assuming Shauna had Curiosity in hand and couldn't cast it because of Talion.

[@lukemortensen801]

3/4 players mentioned dockside as a reason to keep their opening hand and it wasn't in any of them. #banned

[@TheTopDeckersMTG]

you have a buttery silk voice

[@backonthestack]

Thank you 🙏

[@rexone9564]

Yo, nice extra turn with a trouble in pairs in play.

[@jerrickalsteen3950]

Levi was the player with the Trouble in Pairs and he was the first to die to a Finale Fortune. Trouble only stops your opponents from getting extra turns. Once he was eliminated, Eli was free to get an extra turn as Trouble was no longer in play

[@rexone9564]

@@jerrickalsteen3950ohh your right, mb. He was the only one even able to play it. I lost track of it but knew it was in play.