Cedric and Ada... Channel Makes my Head Explode!

[@CedricAda]

Those brief portions at the end of those tests are rather last minute testing at viewers request, testing to see if those crazy thin edges fail under non-rope cutting use. Definitely not trying to demonstrate anything other than that, nor am K trying merit those edges as woodcrafting suited. I say EDC use many times in the videos, its just a last minute, requested demo. As for my technique, you are absolutely right. I am not a woodcarver and dont do it too often. If I represented myself as a woodsman or any kind of hobby crafter I definitely did not intend to do so. I am a steel nerd and camper at best. With regard to the edges, perhaps check out the FAQ I posted recently, if you havent already. I baton crossgrain wood with the N695 at 12° per side, which holds - but then do some taps on the edge of the table with XHP at 11° and it takes crazy damage. Its the least scientific part of my fairly unscientific testing. I would say it would vary greatly between steels and users. I’ll probably leave that part out of my test in future, as I simply dont have the time to develop anything close to a comparable, repeatable method of wood carving to test the edges. I think I’ve also said many times it probably better to back the edge geos back to about 15-17° per side to ensure it will do all the tasks more reliably for all uses. But I stand by my statement that these thinner edges will do fine for EDC, which doesn’t (for me) include torquing tasks. Regarding the finn wolf and review methodology: My Finn wolf was factory edge, I didnt modify it for the review period. I dunno what to say there man, but you are probably a harder user than me. And thats fine. And yeah, you’re exactly right - lots of reviewers maufacture use scenarios to show in the videos, so they arent just boring tabletop affairs. If we legit took all tools into the woods for adventures our turnout would be a couple vids per month. I figure spending a few hours whittling australian spotted gum and reporting the success (or lack therof) of anblade will give a basic consumer a bit of an idea of how it will act. But as I always say (often in - printed message at the end of my videos) - the best practice is to use multiple sources when forming your opinions. If there is someone offering a long term hard use review on a knife, and it looks to be a well reasoned review, *absolutely* give that review in particular greater thought. Say you have two reviews - 1) Me reviewing the cold steel finn wolf: Several hours using for general tasks, rope cut test for ergonomics assessment and steel assessment, and some whittling and wood work or whatever. 2) Someone elses Finn Wolf review: Carving a kuksa, making a deadfall trap, splittling kindling, processing a deer, weeks of EDC use. I would ABSOLUTELY put more mind towards the thoughts of reviewer number 2, whilst maybe take any interesting data from reviewer 1 into account (such as his thoughts on ergos or whatever). Using multiple sources to form opinion is best practice. But I’ll probably lay off the wood testing of the thin edges. Its not really a part of the testing I’m happy to incorporate in a regular sense, and i think I showed pretty well in the FAQ video that some thin edges will still crossbaton, others will fail impacting a wooden table edge. Too many variables, and as I say, there are already too many variables in my tests to begin with, which is why I always say - use multiple sources. Anyway now I feel I’m talking in circles and the iPhone keyboard is not a comment friendly device! Hope I did okay, I don’t get called out too often. Maybe not often enough!

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Good to see you here Pete. Like I said, I'm a big fan of your hard work and I totally get your point. Let's just say that my video is reiterating or paraphrasing your disclaimers in my own roughneck way, plus a few extra, hopefully educational, pieces of information. I'm still working on getting my message across without sounding like a mean troll lol

[@kiwi_comanche]

Keep doing you Pete. Fuck the haters.

[@johnsun3854]

Fair complaint. It is good you learned something from it. Because half truths and half good reviews sometimes are worse than lies.

[@shanerbass]

I love Pete's channel and yours as well. I think it was a fair critique

[@JohnnyConnerMeditation]

Some very valid points have been made on both sides. Also, I am a big fan of both your channels. You've provided us all with very good, practical information for years, and it's much appreciated. Thanks, fellas!

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Thank you.

[@Phil-S8]

I think you are completely missing the point. When he talks about unleashing a steel, he means you can get heaps of 'EDC' use by using a more acute angle. The light wood carving at the end is just to show that there is still SOME measure of toughness. I think Pete has always mentioned that he keeps his outdoor blades at a much more obtuse angle. I honestly think it's common sense that less steel behind the edge means lower toughness.

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Yes, but my point is that stroking a piece of wood like that doesn't really prove or even represent anything. If you need to use your knife for woodworking, you most likely won't be doing it like that and you will damage the edge in real life scenario. But it's more of a joke that a serious argument anyways.

[@CSGraves]

Check out Pete's video on the Spyderco Lil' Nilakka... little wee full flat ground folder pitted against Australian hardwood. This may be the cautionary tale you found lacking in some of his other videos. (I still love the Lil' Nilakka though!)

[@kovalsky7620]

Dokładnie .. też mam wrażenie że niektórzy youtuberzy (i to niektórzy żyjący zsurvivalowo- buszkraftowych kanałów) boją się noży tudzież strasznie niezdarnie się nimi posługują.

[@phillipmerritt1428]

I watched your video, you reference three different books I couldn't understand what the names of the world what's the chances of you typing it out for me. I'm new to put Bush Craft survival. I'm retired and I really enjoyed survival Bushcraft prepping videos. What type of bush craft knife would you recommend? I live in America. Gingdah 🚶💀

[@oregonbushcraftoutdoorchan5357]

A knife with a super thin edge no matter what you do will get nicks in the blade. It will either roll or chip. I love the Scandi grind for doing solid wood work but am very careful when processing game. Bone is hell on scandi blades

[@tayloralbrecht8362]

Have much more respect for you Simon! I felt the exact same way as you and you worded it better than I could. It is constructive criticism at its best. Much respect

[@Grimm-14]

I hear watchya sayin, but keep in mind it's just a quickee on some Aussi gum to check if the edge still holds. I have some unusable fibrous mahogany that will rip an edge like that with just a wee bit of whittling. Found it at my local woodshop in the scrap bin, thought it would make some good edge testing material or maybe a pic frame. Take care.

[@MrBzdziu]

do drobnych i precyzyjniejszych prac to nie jest zle. ale tam gdzie trzeba uzyc sily to pelny chwyt jest zawsze najlepszy. nigdy sie nad tym nie zastanawialem jak trzymam noz, bo zawsze moim chwytem jest pelny chwyt. zreszta jesli komus tak wygodnie, to czemu nie ;) o ile nie musze stac po stronie gdzie taki noz moze poleciec, to mnie to wisi i powiewa jak ktos trzyma narzedzie ktorym moze sobie czy komus zrobic krzywde ;)

[@KibortA]

Oglądam ten kanał i też boli mnie jak patrze na jego struganie, ale wydaje mi się że jego filmik Dickhead Survival, jasno pokazuje że jest on świadom swoich ułomności i "czepianie" się jest trochę na wyrost. Z Finn Wolfem miałem to samo, po zrobieniu szlifu convex było dużo lepiej

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Myślę, że Pete zrozumie, że to żart :)

[@deathbyastonishment7930]

I think your misunderstanding the test, he isn't trying to prove that you can carve wood with the edge. It's just a test to see how the edge will pass through a harder material. Also, Australian hardwood my man. That being said, interesting criticism! I'll be eagerly awaiting the reply if there is one.

[@Seancmccormick]

I like his channel, but then I'm also a knife nerd. Lol! Yes! He needs to drop the hammer on the thumb grip! I totally agree!!! Atb Sean

[@NickShabazz]

Complaint isn't showing, just complaining :) But I am hoping to see your doing your own tutorial and testing videos, demonstrating all of this to your growing viewership. That's the way we move forward!

[@johnsun3854]

ugh... what a passive aggressive clown you are.

[@ShelleyRaskin]

I sometimes forget to have my morning coffee too, just kidding-valid points!

[@smeefbeef367]

Different grinds for different kinds. I don’t use my folding knives on wood 99.9% of the time. My folders have 15DPS edges. My woods blades have 20DPS convex edges. I think the reason he uses the “thumb grip” is because it’s more natural, that’s how many people in the EDC community use them. When performing smaller less stressful tasks (cutting open a box, cutting open a bag, random crap like that) I personally use the jimping for more control towards the tip because I use the tip of my EDC knives the most. When I’m in the woods I’m using the area closest to the grip because that’s where you get the most power and I don’t use the thumb grip. When demonstrating an EDC knife there’s very little reason to use it as a woods knife, and vice versa. I dunno about you but I don’t go around cutting up boxes with a puukko and I don’t baton and carve with a Spyderco.

[@WetaMantis]

Cutlerylover showed a scale to mesure sharpness what do you think about such an instrument?

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Haven't seen that. A scale as in a range or a scale as in weighing scale? I've heard about people checking the amount of downward force while cutting. I suppose it does make sense to a degree.

[@WetaMantis]

Simon's Discoveries Yep how much weight you must apply to a string before it gives.

[@WetaMantis]

Can you bring back the old intro and outro and the music?

[@bazcharlie4680]

I get what ya saying in regards to Pete not doing it like he means it after all I believe he's a bitumen cowboy city slicker quite uncouth type of bloke ...but do keep in mind australian hard wood is exactly that there ain't no digging deep in Aussie wood without a baton so just a thought for ya .. BTW I enjoy your videos great watch

[@szonytube]

Mógłbyś polecić jakieś książki o carvingu w miarę możliwości po polsku?

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Uu, po polsku, to niestety nie znam.Ale jestem pewien, że są jakieś. Pewnie też są tłumaczenia np. ze Szwedzkiego.

[@verysurvival]

i hate the thumb grip, it is not a carving grip. you are so right

[@johnsun3854]

its a ''tactical'' grip... the youtube way

[@verysurvival]

never head of them. but i agree with everything you say

[@wtfmrb293]

Don’t stroke it like it’s a cat or a dog. Best one yet

[@CommonCentsOutdoorsman]

You unzipped your fly now Simon lol! Yeah the clips you showed he is shaving sticks and not deep cuts. A very fine edge will do for this. I prefer a bit of a micro bevel which protects the edge for heavier work while maintaining cutting performance. My thumb does climb aboard the spine periodically to relieve strain and aid in finer cutting but for raw power hammer grip it.

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Microconvex is incredibly effective. Even a tiny bit of roundness on the edge can make a huge difference when it comes to edge durability.

[@spundj]

batoning makes my head explode----what does it prove? i``d like to know?!

[@spundj]

that steel is stronger than wood? that because it didnt break in the demo it will never break?

[@fredde90210]

Well after watching his "Dickhead" vids he pretty much prove that he can't carve, love his channel btw.

[@WetaMantis]

I don't know what's your camera but you seem younger.

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Oh, that's just me aging backwards lol The downside is, I'm also getting less serious ;)

[@kris197ful]

A gdzie polskie napisy ?

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Przemyslaw Skwierzynski kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJPZeX6qh8ljmKM

[@Airik1111bibles]

Agreed, Pete is a common sense dude he is teachable but look out I'm guessing a heavy taste of hilarious sarcasm will be coming your way very soon.....Hope ya got a grain of salt for that.😂

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

That's what I get for being a troll :) I started it, I'm all fair game now.

[@CedricAda]

No sarcasm here, he presents well reasoned opinions drawing on his expertise and background. I did a larger comment above. The random throwaway, no profile pic guys who dont make anything are the ones who get the sarcasm and salt. Simons got a robust channel here, hes making stuff for his knife community. Hes good with me!

[@Airik1111bibles]

Cedric & Ada Gear and Outdoors you are a class act Pete😉

[@ComUnSas]

As long as you don't mention kitchen knife grips I think you'll be OK.

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

Ah, yes. I trolled him on that too :D That's what you get for being famous ;)

[@ComUnSas]

If you're planning a series I'd like to nominate Advanced Knife Bro. (Tell him it'll get his subscriber count up. He'll love it.)

[@dirtydan179]

Thumb grip = jimping

[@dirtydan179]

isn't it? I might be wrong

[@SimonsDiscoveries]

It seem like some, so called high profile, people indeed are pushing this idea of jimping and thumb grip. It maybe useful for something. Like I said, even I use it for sharpening pencils and shredding paper. I just don't think it has a place in carving or any, even remotely serious, type of wood working.

[@dobypilgrim6160]

What a nitpicker.

[@2arrowknives]

I know with thumb your losing over 30% of your power