Celik Arms - Buck Master Gen 2 and Chimera .223 Update - May

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Hi mate, The current order of releases is - Buckmaster Gen 2 - 5 shot (2 weeks) - Eureka Stockade .223 (4-6 weeks) - Buckmaster Gen 2 - 7 and 10 shot (6-8 weeks) - Chimera 223 (6-8 Weeks) depending police approval - Eureka Stockade .300 Blackout (October) - Eureka Stockade .308 (Novemberish) - Buckmaster Mag Fed (aiming at before end of year) - Chimera .308 (aiming at before end of year) Hope that helps with making a decision. Cheers, Bastian

[@MyNameHere123]

If the 5 shot is purchased at release, will it be possible to purchase the additional barrel and tube to accommodate the 10 shot when it releases and fit it to the 5 shot?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@MyNameHere123 Short answer is, I don't know yet. We will get some spare tubes and see how difficult it is to swap them over as they are locktight into the receiver. I will know more in 4 weeks when I am in Turkey. I am trying to make it work as I can see great demand for it.

[@sirknight6702]

I love my buckmaster tactical, really interested in the mag fed version!.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@sirknight6702 Thanks mate, hopefully later this year.

[@scottthomas57]

Hi Bastion What can I expect the RRP for a 5 shot timber synthetic shotgun to be,and do they come with the hard case included like the early model??

[@cemalettinilgin8910]

I honestly like how he went through NSW’s rules about single tube magazines and how they’re proactively sourcing different magazines. Thank you 😊

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Cheers mate thanks for the encouragement. I think it is key to understand the laws that govern us. If there is no law about something, we will use our rights and try to make it happen.

[@craigcampbell2474]

@@AustralianSportingAgenciesNSW the nanny state and I’m a former NSWPF member and the firearm regulations here are rediculous especially their appearance laws 🤦‍♂️

[@Wint910]

so impressed with the work you guys are doing and your transparency, really keen to see you guys succeed

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks mate really appreciate the comment. Hope there is more awesome stuff to come. I was also considering a video series about how firearms distribution works, what do you think?

[@Wint910]

@AustralianSportingAgencies would be worth watching especially for an insight into how our weird gun laws make it harder

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@Wint910 OK sure, it is a minefield to navigate :) I'll put it on my list to do. Cheers

[@notmkr-busta2937]

The chimera looks so much better now wow, you guys are smashing it

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Big thanks mate, we are certainly trying hard to deliver what you guys want.....and of course, I love one too :)

[@gw5436]

What they look like isn't a consideration. Standing in front of the mirror isn't what some care about

[@notmkr-busta2937]

@@gw5436 womp womp

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@gw5436 You would be surprised how rare you are :) my favorite comment is about how some thermals look bad, well who sees them in the dark anyway :)

[@gw5436]

Guys, really... Australian gun laws are ridiculous and anybody brave enough to work so hard to give people alternatives that work and care about quality deserve to be supported! Let alone have to worry about whether people who design, make, or contribute nothing make comments about visual appeal which is subjective at best and ridiculous after all that... Good work anyway on the work so far.

[@Outbackarms]

Well done guys! Really happy to see a company being honest and beingg open to changes. Really keen to see what you guys bring in the future!

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks mate, much appreciated! Lets get these in and working, then we have a new pistol lined up and then we will see :)

[@Magnumexpress87]

Looking forward to the nsw compliant buckmaster tubes and the .308 chimera becoming available!

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks mate!! Trying hard :)

[@brett5990]

Awesome work you guys are doing. I think youll grow the 3 gun sport with the pb 12 and the 223's.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks Brett. I hope so, I would want to compete myself, I think it would be a wide spread great sport to have in Oz.

[@danielsivan8425]

Hi, I bought the Verney Carron Veloce 12G and Speedline in .308 about 2 years ago. But I will be looking to sell them and get the Buck Master Gen 2 & Chimera .308 now. The forend button position is much more ergonomic for follow up shots than the lever release on the Verney Carron's. I am very impressed by the design. Thankyou for bringing these to Australian Law Abiding Firearms Owners for feral pest control! I've subscribed and will be following closely for their availability. Cheers, Dan

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks Dan. Just to make sure you understand what you would be selling, the french quality is certainly better than the Turkish (reflected in cost of the product) but I get what you mean about the mechanism, if you are not working from inside a vehicle or from a tripod the forend button is certainly a better choice.

[@danielsivan8425]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies will the Chimera .308 have a 10 rd magazine?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@danielsivan8425 I am pushing hard to make that happen! We need 10 rounders in Oz!

[@Oppetsismiimsitsitc]

I'm a timber guy, I like my classic looking guns. But that timber-synthetic has a real retro brown bakelike look, I love it!

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Cheers mate, me too, i love great timber and agree, it is a different interesting look. Obviously doesn't feel like timber, but hey why not.

[@onik6512]

Very excited to get my hands on one. Will be getting my gunsmith license very soon so I’m keen to see what I can do with the chunky foregrip. Would love to see the Rossi style M-lok foregrip on this bad boy

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

me too mate!

[@mattrickard3716]

Awesome! I've been wanting a Buckmaster for ages. Now I'm not sure whether I should wait for the box mag version. Decisions, decisions!

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

The box magazine is unlikely to happen before end of year, so your call by when you need one. Plus the cost will be higher as the receiver is significantly different and is more like the Chimera than the buckmaster.

[@Falco8649]

Omg I’m excited to get my hands finally on the 308. After saving a bit more I’m getting the shotty as well.

[@joebanks1866]

I'll be getting one of the buckmasters once you have the external magazine option availiable.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Sounds great, stay tuned. First comes the Chimera though!

[@alexanderchase6604]

You should talk to celik about getting their "Cobalt Magazine Fed" series of shotguns with the Push button system. even the Bullpup ones would be awesome.....

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

The issue is importation, customs which is based on ACT laws, won't let them in, hence Oceania, Warrick, Eureka etc exist. If it isn't made here, it is not coming in. But I hear you!

[@alexanderchase6604]

@AustralianSportingAgencies there are ways around that though, look at the berika or the Silah predator.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@alexanderchase6604 Yes, keep in mind that they were banned (berika) after introduction and then they redesigned the gun to then be approved again. I hope we don't have to go through that. But I hear you....there are ways including the courts, but it gets very expensive quickly. In the end, if it is not worth financially, no one will bother.

[@stuartford7585]

I had a buckmaster out of the first shipment way back and it was a nightmare. I’m running Templetons now they are unreal. Your 308 will be cool if it runs

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Hi Stuart, sorry to hear. The previous distributor has done heaps for the guns to work better and we have further improved on that as well. Now they works fantastic, but I understand your frustration. We will ensure that the 308 works when it hits the market.

[@Gshock25able]

im looking forward to the stockade ..deposit in ..ready to go

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Good man! I just got my PTA approved, hope to have the first one registered in the next 2 weeks for a roadshow.

[@Gshock25able]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies thats awesome mate .. im selling my Warwick 223 to fund the stockade . I paid almost 4k for that rifle 😂 im lucky to get 2500 for it . but its worth it .

[@StarSwarm.]

Would be good to see these at the SSAA Shot Expo.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Good call, I hope to be there.

[@D1Taxi1986]

Awesome work getting these on the market. I just have a question on how to get another O-Ring for behind the gas piston for my PB12 as mine has a small nic in it and would like to replace it and have a spare or 2. cheers

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Hi mate, at this point we have not received any spare parts yet, so you need to get back to your dealer and ask them to get in contact with Hunts Shooting Supplies who likely have the warranty liability of your specific gun. They will be able to help you out. We are likely 2 months away until we have spare parts.

[@crissmith7087]

Fantastic innovation very good for Australian shooting industry

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks mate!

[@Pfletch83]

I could see the Chimera setup to be like a classic iron sighted carbine (m-16 A1 style flip rear and front post) that could reload via STANAG Stripper clips.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yeah that would be interesting, something different at least

[@Hollooo]

Can we get the PB12 tactical with a 28 inch barrel and 10 round mag option for IPSC sport shooters? This would be unreal for an out of the box shotty ready to go in the sport. Keep up the good work you're doing great for aussie shooters

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks mate, I am working on exactly that, but we are probably 6-9 months out from that. Stay tuned

[@faceroll_fatality]

Awesome Video! Cant wait for the new model Chimera

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Me too! thanks mate

[@vintagetintrader1062]

What about making a 300 blackout, love my Ruger Ranch in AAC Blackout but want a lever release or lever action. The Blackout 300 gets no respect in Australia. Low recoil, low amount of powder used and 110 grain to 240 grain projectiles that are in .308. For a hand loader they are a fun a cheap round to make

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Cheers mate. I will look into how much redesign is required for the Chimera. I know for the Eureka Stockade it is likely to be released as minimal redesign is needed.

[@AusGunner1]

Big news, been waiting for one of the Chimeras since I first heard them announced, very excited for the future of Australian firearm ownership if it continues on this sort of trajectory.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Cheers mate, and we hope we can drive this movement!

[@giejoe0]

Did you check accuracy at 10 yards (13:15 minutes) ??

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yes, yes we did :)

[@outbackgreggles2166]

Hi ther can you please provide an update on the release of the Buckmaster gen 2 Box fed shotgun ? I am in Victoria and looking to grab one when they are released

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Hi mate, The current order of releases is - Buckmaster Gen 2 - 5 shot (2 weeks) - Eureka Stockade .223 (4-6 weeks) - Buckmaster Gen 2 - 7 and 10 shot (6-8 weeks) - Chimera 223 (6-8 Weeks) depending police approval - Eureka Stockade .300 Blackout (October) - Eureka Stockade .308 (Novemberish) - Buckmaster Mag Fed (aiming at before end of year) - Chimera .308 (aiming at before end of year) Hope that helps with making a decision. Cheers, Bastian

[@outbackgreggles2166]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies thanks Bastian I am super keen for the Buckmaster mag fed

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

me too :)

[@Christoph1888]

Is the picitiny rail on the reciever of the buck master still polymer ?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Great question, no it is alloy going forward.

[@stephenjones2179]

Will it be possible to fit an arca Swiss plate to the fore end on the chimera 223 ?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Great question. I hope to bring out a tactical forend in the future with M-Lok. The current version has a pic rail, so you would need a pic to arca adapter to make it work.

[@Christoph1888]

Chimera leaver release on the forend? What about when shooting prone?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Don't 🤣

[@CrazyDog651]

With a redesign of the fore end could a wood version work?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

They could potentially if the forend is thicker, we might be looking into it in the future if there is demand. Keep in mind timber is more expensive than plastic so you would be paying more.

[@fredblaster]

why did you go from 1 in 7 to 1 in 8 twist on the 223. I would have thought that the 1 in 7 twist would help to stabilize heavier projectiles

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yes it would be, but the vast majority of .223 shot are 55gr due to the price, so going 1 in 7 was a bit far off from 1 in 12. With the Eureka we learned that 85% of people wanted a 1 in 8, so we designed it for that.

[@Smithy338]

Will the removable buckmaster mags be the same footprint as the berika/adler mags?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

I have no idea at this point, but I hope to make it compatible if possible. However that is up to Celik, I will ask tho! Thanks for the question!

[@Hipporider]

Is the Buckmaster available with bolt release on right hand side for left handers? 🇦🇺

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

We are working on having the forend mechanism switched for lefties. I am positive we will have it soon.

[@Hipporider]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies could you try shooting and reloading it left handed to see if at least the right hand fingers, not the thumb of course, can actuate the button? Us left handers are used to adapting and overcoming right handed devices, so I'm not discounting the possibility of actuating the bolt release as is. 🤔🇦🇺

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@Hipporider lol I will give it a go and see (back in the office monday) , I should also have an answer to the left hand forend shortly too.

[@Hipporider]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies thank you very much.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@Hipporider Yes it will be available for left hand, it will be available for order in the next few weeks on the website celikarms.au or your local dealer.

[@Brian1952ful]

Since the Adler range was released, there has been a steady number of plastic Turkish shotgun launched onto the Australian market. Interesting designs some of them, however who wants to put down their hard earned cash to find an 'improved ' model released six months later.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

The good thing is that the buck master has been proven by now, and all known issues have been addressed.....so we are way past the initial stage of first market entry.

[@dancoope256]

Any idea on what chimera trigger pull weight can be adjusted to?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Hi mate, it will be adjustable through a gunsmith. We may offer a trigger job but first we need to have some here to test and see if it is required. Will know more after Christmas

[@deheadless]

Mate, will the Eureka stockade accept AR-15 mags?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

yes but it will be perfectly matched to the magazines that come with it. I know more about that in a few weeks and will make another video.

[@setildes]

Do they make either firearm in Lefthanded configuration?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yes they will be.

[@setildes]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies Thats great news thanks

[@801_adventure_trek4]

The Chimera would be perfect in restricted jurisdictions within the USA. Cheers from Arizona 🍻

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks, mate. I'll see what we can do!!

[@desp6238]

Great work ! will the magazine extension kits work on Gen 1 Buckmasters ?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks mate, yes it should. I will make a video and show it off when we have it.

[@desp6238]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies Thank you ! i will be the first to order

[@sokhar69]

All great news. Will it be possible to get a PB12 20" + 28" barrels combo deal? Or at least be able to buy a separate 20" or 28" barrel? Also, aren't you worried about the PB223 stealing sales from the Eureka Stockade? Or do the different products represent slightly different market segments for you, so they complement each other? Cheers.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Great questions: 1. Yes you will be able to buy the barrel separately and I am hoping to also offer shorter versions but I am still working through that with Celik. 2. The PB223 was always going to capture some customers of the Eureka or vice versa depending on which one is released first. We are just super thankful that we can offer both rifles and both at a similar point in time, so customers can make an informed decision and choose the right one for them. 3. In short, I would take the Eureka into war but not the Chimera, that statement basically addresses everything. Both do have a different price point, design, capability, accuracy etc. so I think they will attract only some customers that overlap and that will have a hard time deciding which one to buy. I assume most customers will know very quickly which one they want.

[@Slipprymongoose]

So besides the Australian made part and the lever release position why would I buy a eureka over a chimera? Would an option for a 24" barrel and a rifled barrel ever be available for the buckmaster?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Great question: Both have the same magazine Both are .223 Rem Both are 1/8 twist Both have 7 series receivers but that's where it ends. Chimera will be lighter, Eureka will be Aussi made Chimera will be cheaper, Eureka is likely to be more accurate Chimera will shoot "faster" due to the two hand solution, Eureka will be able to stay more accurate as the barrel gets hot and the barrel will heat slower Eureka is likely to last longer, run cleaner Chimera has 1 mini pic rail, Eureka has a bunch of m-locks and a full length pic rail Chimera's recoil is close to nothing, Eureka is even less Eureka is likely available in more calibers Chimera is compatible with off the shelf shotgun stocks and parts, Eureka is compatible with AR platform accessories. Eureka's forend is flat, perfect for barricade and tripod shooting That's it out of the top of my head, but you gave me an idea for another comparison video, maybe @Fhuck Outdoors wants to do one :) In terms of the rifled barrel, I will investigate it. Might not be an issue, just not something I considered, so thanks for the suggestion. In terms of 24 inch, if there is enough demand to justify it, sure.

[@craigparker4108]

That new buck Master should be a winner.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks Craig!

[@MyNameHere123]

Any updates on the release dates? Haven't heard any news.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@MyNameHere123, we are visiting CELIK ARMS next week to check on the Chimera prior to our first shipment being sent. Current ETA is 4-6weeks to land here in Brisbane. Keep an eye out for our next video update & register your pre-order at CelikArms.au

[@MyNameHere123]

​@AustralianSportingAgencies Thank you for your reply. What about the Gen 2's? Still recorded as pre-orders despite being projected to drop 3 weeks ago.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Gen 2 is already in our warehouse and ready for order and shipment. Should be updated on the website as well celikarms.au

[@huracanfabrication]

looks much better. how about one in .338?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks mate. Well lets see if we can make one in 308 and then go from there. I think 338 is a whole other kettle of fish.

[@OldManYelllsAtCloud]

The Chimera appears to have a 12G shell tube underneath it, is that just because it's based on a shotgun platform?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yes the principles of the Chimera comes from the shotgun platform but has since been specifically designed for the rifle version. It functioned similar to the Verney Carron Speedline or Benelli Rifle which also have their origins from shotgun designs.

[@OldManYelllsAtCloud]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies I thought so, thanks.

[@doofmanchu]

Any updates on the eureka stockade? Am keen to see the finished product

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

me too mate, I even haven't seen it yet!! We will have an update next week but I am unsure if it will be with the finished product. Our machinist had to travel for a week on another project so I am unsure if the new lower is ready and in Brisbane yet. However, we should be only a week/week and a half away from seeing the new finished Eureka Stockade.....might just be without cerakote as we are going through a testing protocol to find the right mix and blasting setting to get the most out of the cerkote.

[@LittleAussieRockets]

300 black out? The only reason I ask is I'm old enough to remember back to the days when we could have an SKF in 7.62 x 39. That rifle in 300 black out would be the closest thing on the market to one of those old rifles.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Cheers mate, I'll see how much needs to be redesigned, if it is just another barrel and the gas system only needs a tiny bit updating then maybe. First i need one here, to then start designing.

[@vintagetintrader1062]

It’s the same cartridge as a 223, I am making 300 Black from cut down used 223 brass that’s resized to 300 black.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@vintagetintrader1062 Yes of course, but because these are gas operated guns, you have to potentially move the gas holes closer to the action, which requires multiple parts to be redesigned and manufactured. So depending on how you solve that issue, it might be worthwhile or not. Time will tell.

[@Kesssuli]

@@vintagetintrader1062 Like our guy there said how things arent usually that simple. Also to make things much more harder are subsonic loads what you might actually want to use in 300bkl. And those wont cycle with same settings as normal loads. Either very overgassed for normal loads to get subs to cycle or it wont cycle with subs at all. Adjustable gasblock could potentially solve that issue but redesigning and inventing stuff may not be a cost effective enough to justify extra efford. There are reasons why bolt-action guns arent gonna go away in anytime soon. Just so much more simpler to make cost effectively.

[@TrevorMitchell-z3x]

Gday Bastian, i had a Chimera deposit down, my dealer rang a couple of months ago, said come in for deposit refund, they are not being allowed. In SA. Please clarify if things have changed. Thanks.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Hi Trevor, thanks for the email too. Just to be clear, the Chimera has not been disapproved to our knowledge. We will land larger quantities in September and I will also post an update on the new design changes very soon. What I do know is that Hunts Shooting Supplies new "223 lever release" has been classified as prohibited item due to it going semi auto on occasion (according to NFID)

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

AFP - "as the exhibit rifle operates intermittently as a self-loading centrefire rifle, it would fall to the control of Schedule 6, Part 2, Item 6 of the Customs (Prohibited Imports) Regulations 1956." Information received July 2024

[@greatdane3343]

Good stuff guys.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Thanks mate

[@julianmclellan408]

Are the Gen 2 models of the Chimera PB223 still going to be offered in a left-handed option for the pushbutton? Gen 1 release had that option through Hunts. Have you guys secured a LH option as well?

[@JoeMama-lf5bs]

Yeah and Hunts had also stopped doing the walnut guns due to broken forends as well as the new locking nut system . Don't actually see much change on the gen 2.....

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yes there will be a left hand forend version. Will be up on the website soon, maybe in a week.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@JoeMama-lf5bs Thanks for the comment. Yes it continues to be the fixed forend nut version, I just wanted to iterate that this issue has been fixed (by hunts i assume) and will continue to be fixed as we get a few questions on that issue.

[@julianmclellan408]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies great news! Thanks 👍

[@bennicolson815]

Longer barrel 18" or 20" on the chimera would be good. 16" is pretty blasty.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Good call. Let me get them in and then when we have those working and going well, we can offer longer barrels. It is very likely we will offer different barrels in the future especially for the 308.

[@darrenfraser6720]

Any idea of what the Chimera will weigh?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

3.6kg

[@aynjeleyes]

No iron sights? So can we get them back on?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Sorry mate, only estimated 5% shoot with iron sights. Hence, we took it off.

[@aynjeleyes]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies as my dad would say Damn heathens. Marksmanship is lacking

[@AverageBikeGuy]

Is the buckmaster real wood or synthetic look ?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

It is synthetic wrapped in a timber look wrap.

[@deadchivalry1698]

I like the look of the Buck Master. I've been meaning to pick up a shotty to add to my collection. Is it possible to buy individual parts of your guns? I currently live in NSW and will have to get it with a fixed stock. But in a few years I'll likely move to QLD. Is it possible to buy a new stock to swap out the existing one or is the only option to buy a new gun?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Great question. the answer is Yes. We will soon be offering all stocks as parts, so you can swap them as you like. Same with barrels and other parts. Give me about 4 weeks or so.

[@sim8634]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies the fixed stock on it looks terrible and prob works terrible to...the best fixed proper pistol grip stock ive ever held and usd is the one off adler B220 straight pull.. just feels and works right, would you know if one off those stocks is a straight swap over

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@sim8634 I can tell you that it won't work on the Eureka at this point. We have two different back adapters at this point which are shown in the next video, going live tomorrow. That said, if there is demand for other adapters, we can make them and offer them as an add-on or after market solution.

[@sim8634]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies with the screw on mag extentions thats screw ont the exsisting mag do you know what thread and nut they copyed ie benelli or bereta or rem or even mossberg.. and what style choke they take..

[@ryhtkj6681]

Excellent price.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Cheers mate!!

[@conanlarkin1617]

Any chance of a 3.5” chambered version?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

That's a good question, let me find out!

[@Syd10007]

Chimera Gen 2 looks epic. Well done on the hard work! I’d prefer actual timber.. but that synthetic timber looks pretty good!!! What is the estimated chimera weight now?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Unsure tbh, I'll get back to you

[@FearlessMagpie]

What’s the pros and cons of PB223, vs eureka?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Great question: Both have the same magazine Both are .223 Rem Both are 1/8 twist Both have 7 series receivers but that's where it ends. Chimera will be lighter, Eureka will be Aussi made Chimera will be cheaper, Eureka is likely to be more accurate Chimera will shoot "faster" due to the two hand solution, Eureka will be able to stay more accurate as the barrel gets hot and the barrel will heat slower Eureka is likely to last longer, run cleaner Chimera has 1 mini pic rail, Eureka has a bunch of m-locks and a full length pic rail Chimera's recoil is close to nothing, Eureka is even less Eureka is likely available in more calibers Chimera is compatible with off the shelf shotgun stocks and parts, Eureka is compatible with AR platform accessories. Eureka's forend is flat, perfect for barricade and tripod shooting That's it out of the top of my head, but you gave me an idea for another comparison video, maybe @Fhuck Outdoors wants to do one :)

[@strider5119]

Chimera just needs an m-lok style forend rather than the chonky grip its got. Otherwise it's pretty much on the money

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Great comment, I will see what I can do once we have one here. I am thinking after market accessory. Similar to those "tactical" lever action forends these days.

[@strider5119]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies yeah, like the Rossi lever actions, or similar to the taipan X etc. I think that particular action, on a proper tactical rifle chassis would make piles of money. It's the sweet spot in the market that we all want filled.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@strider5119 I hear you loud and clear. 1. step, let me get them in, then we start improving on what we have and overtime it will be pretty awesome. But then also, if you want tactical, just get the Eureka Stockade, it already has everything you want.

[@JoeMama-lf5bs]

When will the gen 2 buck master get here

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Really depends on the QLD police, they are sitting on our import license. The gen 2 are being manufactured next week, so we could have them within 4 weeks but I think 6 weeks is more realistic. Again, if the police keep playing games, then I can't tell.

[@praeamble]

The Chimera's gone from an ugly duckling to a beautiful swan 😎

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

lolol thanks mate, she will look even better, will have another update soon, plus there are some secrete things going on from a design point of view that I will announce just before release.....got to keep the competition guessing :)

[@FearlessMagpie]

Can I buy the extension kit for my Buckmaster gen1?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yes you can buy the extension, however we will need to also replace the rest of your magazine tube. We will offer that as a kit in the near future (1-2 months) so stay tuned please.

[@jasonptan]

Hi There i like your Buck Master video/last February i brought my Buck Master tactical Version not not bad for a Category A firearm that shoots like a loophole semi auto and 1 hand shooting with a pistol grip/ i'm glad i live in Victoria because N.S.W gun laws sux a 10 round Pmag modified frpm a former 20 round Pmag is still illegal

[@mattrickard3716]

Any shotgun over 5 rounds magazine capacity is a Cat D in Victoria, isn't it? That begs the question; where can you have a 10 round magazine shotty and how fast can I move there?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Cat A shotgun can have 10 rounds in Vic. Please check with your local regulator.....don't quote me :)

[@adventures_with_simo]

Chimera love the concept, looks... meh but excited to see its release. Hopefully in TAS!

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Hi mate, I get what you mean, we have to work with the mechanism which is in essence a shotgun mechanism hence the look and I tried to make it as good as it could get with the restrictions we have. The good thing is that because of that look, we shall not have any issues in Tas. Always trade-offs :)

[@adventures_with_simo]

@@AustralianSportingAgencies I did not mean it as a slight, looks are subjective, my personal view only as I prefer less traditional appearance and yes I am keen as they will fit TAS appearance laws. I already own a gen1 PB12 so I'm excited for the 223 variations.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

@@adventures_with_simo Thanks mate!

[@lachlanstevens2841]

Looking forward to the 308w!!

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Me too mate. Same with the Eureka Stockade 308. Having both will be amazing.

[@emorelix]

Lol, that stock is not allowed in NSW according to their website, it got denied. A wooden hunting shotgun style fixed stock, and it was denied approval.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Sorry mate, can you provide a link, I don't feel that's right. Thanks

[@jasonptan]

The Buck Master PB 5 rounds more fun than 2 rounds double barrel shotgun

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yes and once the 10 round is out you get 8 more rounds of fun :)

[@InfinityAu]

I purchased a v1 of the buckmaster 12g roughly 1.5 years ago in the black synthetic with a 28inch barrel and I had it detonate out in the field whilst using it. The tube had appeared to come loose over time whilst using it (I would always make sure it was tight every time I would take it out of the safe) and it also damaged the internal threads in the tube/piston. This caused gun powder and debris to fly into my eyes which led me going into hospital to get my eyes flushed out. I also had a close friend have the identical shotgun in the wood grain finish and like mentioned, it split the timber where the button release is. Both examples happened within 2nd/3rd time of either gun being used and both had less than 100 rounds put through them. I would personally stay away from these shot guns, although the concept for these guns are a great idea and the button release is in a great spot, these shotguns are just cheap and nasty. No firearm should have substantial faults like so and clearly haven't gone through the adequate testing and I simply do not trust the v2 to be much better at all. Such a shame as they have a lot of potential.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Hi mate, very sorry to hear about your experience. I need to clarify that the firearm you bought was brought in by another distributor before we took on the distribution. We have only ever sold the gen 2 and not any of the gen 1 versions. By the sounds of the gun, yours is one of the very first ones that made it into the country. All I can say is that we test our guns properly to ensure safe and reliable use. The gen 2 has a lot of improvements and has as far as we know addressed any shortcomings of previous versions. We stand behind our product. I understand, based on your experience, that you do not trust the gen 2, that's a fair feeling. I do have to stress that the gen 2 is by far our most reliable firearms that we that sell. I hope you made a full recovery and that you got your money back as well, as no one should have to go through that experience.

[@natmad]

Yikes. Will that work for lefties?

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yes, their are left hand forends, basically the mechanisim is on the other side.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

they will come very shortly after the first lot has arrived. Stay tuned, I will have a video as soon as we have them. Pre-orders should come up soon to.

[@Falco8649]

come on man you gotta just give me the one's your using rn i can't wait that long thats just mean :)

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

I wish I had some myself.....at least samples. Hope to get them soon.

[@avielau7333]

So what happens when the government just decides to classify these as automatic too.

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Well, there would be a buy back, or grandfathering. Now, if we were smart we would argue that grandfathering isn't sufficient as the value of the gun is basically 0 as there is no market for them afterwards, hence the government must pay us out. The trick is to make it too expensive for them to even try, hence the more guns are in circulations, the more money it will cost them so the less likely it gets. Go buy a few guns my friend!

[@ryhtkj6681]

New not noon,we are Australians.

[@TheBlatchi]

$1600 sign me up

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

celikarms.au go for gold!

[@Gangster88232]

Those gun should be banned. Period. Rapid firing killing machine.

[@homealone4321]

Exactly even worse then a belt fed machine gun jk

[@danielsivan8425]

People like you said the same thing about Adler shotguns, Verney Carron lever release guns etc. Our gun laws (background checks, training, licensing, storage requirements) in Australia clearly work because we don't have mass shootings like America. The hysteria is unnecessary and unwarranted.

[@samtomlinson4919]

Seems like its going to run hot 🤔 id best send you guys an email 😉

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

She will mate

[@FeckArseIndustries]

I've never seen a slower bolt cycle😮

[@AustralianSportingAgencies]

Yes 😀