CELL 25 - Machining 40T Shafts in the Haas Factory - Haas Automation Inc.

We take a dive into how we turn and mill 40 Taper Spindle Shafts in one of our robot cells here in the Haas Factory. As you'll see, this cell has been going for quite awhile now, but even though the machines are a little older they are still making great parts and keeping up with our steady flow of production.
This is first step in making spindle shafts with heat treat, hard turn, and grinding still to come.
Here is the link to the "Spindles" page on our website. There are plenty to choose from: www.haascnc.co...
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[@Neogeobrian]

Love the old SL30s. That pocket in the head wall for extended length tools was a life saver, plus the turret alignment was always on point.

[@ianwhittinghill]

To have Haas using their own machines to make new Haas machine parts says something great about the company culture, technology, and reliability.

[@martybadboy]

Having a live in repair tech team and getting parts at cost doesn't hurt either.

[@Thepriest39]

I am amazed at the amount of stick out on the first set up on the lathe. Surprised that there isn’t chatter and wobble. Nice video!

[@weldmachine]

It was definitely out there.

[@RHCPFAN-yk6sw]

I was thinking the same thing. I thought they would bring in the tail stock

[@Kmn0219]

Can someone point out to the point when they add the 40 Taper?

[@diegoman123]

maybe the got the option SSV spindle speed variation on. It is to avoid chatter

[@michaldominikfach2152]

Machines building Machines with automation is amazing

[@weldmachine]

2 movies come to mind when thinking about where this will go. Terminator and i, Robot.

[@SuperAWaC]

It is pretty interesting to think that those 3 machines could probably be replaced by a single dual spindle lathe with live tooling

[@Thewaldo12345]

Probably not enough tool locations on the turret.

[@jonasfrito2]

True, but if you have a proven process with machines that already paid for themselves... Unless one needs to increase capacity it doesn't make a lot of economic sense.

[@3awadello1]

@@Thewaldo12345 what about a mill turn center?

[@paddyflake]

I thought the same 😁 but the cost and time of replacing that prooven process would be quite high - this manufacturing cell is a little outdated by today's standards but still going strong and earning money.

[@SuperAWaC]

@@Thewaldo12345 seems like plenty of room. the tools in the second lathe are probably mostly repeats.

[@martyscncgarage5275]

Great video. Would like to see more HAAS Automation Cells like this one!

[@ExMachinaEngineering]

Thank so much you for sharing!!! I'm looking at this and imagining the little details and people thinking "How do we get it more reliable/faster/better?". And then seeing the fruit of their labour... Amazing

[@thomashenderson3901]

Could trim hours off the cycle per week simply by adding a stop to that vice in the mill, let alone some of the other pauses. The other tilts and pauses to let the coolant run out though, top notch!

[@paddyflake]

I thought the same 😁 time does not seem to be a major concern here however since there are machines nowadays, that could do most of what these three machines do in four setups in merely two setups and half the time ;) This is probably a pretty old manufacturing cell

[@thomashenderson3901]

@@paddyflake If it ain't broke and all that...

[@Kmn0219]

Can someone point out to the point when they add the 40 Taper?

[@xm210c]

Considering that this cell has paid itself off several times over anything that it produces from now on is pure profit. While a modern cell would be faster, it'd have to pay for a couple hundred thousand dollars of tooling and machinery from the increased margins they get and it would require engineer's time and effort. It's a much better idea to just install new technology on new parts and if they opt to increase production of these shafts create a 2nd cell if strictly neccessary assuming they're already running overnight.

[@mannycalavera121]

Quite a bit of Stick out on the shaft, impressive

[@batpug6272]

this is absolutely astounding, kudos to ya'll over at hass!

[@richhuntsd12]

Of Course I loved this video. I love My SL-30’s. Most impressive was that every square in of spaced on the vertical was used to do the milling and the end of shaft work, but I really loved the Background music!😊I could not keep from “ Head Bobbing” Made in USA , Ya!👍

[@martybadboy]

2:50 The doors are open but the robot is facing the other way. Was it busy checking its Instagram or something?

[@paulmace7910]

More! This is what it’s all about.

[@anrmanufacturingltd4436]

A great process using the machines.

[@ydna]

with the level of video production you can do, you DESPERATELY need a camera that doesn't get covered with coolant after 5 seconds. A guy on youtube named Hirudin easily fixes that with a coolant-wicking Gopro case. After making videos with it for years (over multiple gopro generations), I see stuff like this and just shake my head at the footage :( Cool process though, just need to actually see it!

[@zubersayyed1461]

Great automation by haas machine...

[@spacebutlermk2]

would be nice to see the final grinding process, and what grinding machines are used.

[@jimsvideos7201]

The vise is a neat trick - I assume it's programmed as an axis - but would a hydraulic one that doesn't open as far and closes faster make more sense? They must have considered this, so there's something to be learned here.

[@elcanaldeluis6453]

Me imagino que alla, en la planta de Haas, han de tener el coolant en perfectas condiciones, agua tratada sin minerales, proporcion correcta de coolant, una buena marca, filtros y bactericidas, asi como su reemplazo cada seis meses, incluyendo limpieza de la tina, tuberias y manguera por donde circula.

[@Hendreh1]

8:06 what motor do you use to actuate the vice ? Greetings and great video content 😎

[@gytisbaranauskasjagmort6059]

there's magic in this

[@coreyb4073]

this is the future of manufacturing, a cmm could be integrated and qc the part and feedback offset adjustments to the machines. question: what is driving the vise screw, i vave nevere seen a power vise with that amount of travel

[@Livedracersteve]

There is a probe in the mill that could be used as a makeshift CMM depending on how tight they are holding stuff for that cat 40 taper. I use the probe when doing long runs so all I have to do is load parts.

[@billclark5943]

The power of g-code

[@jamesm3268]

Awesome work thanks

[@arturobetancourth3988]

Folks with experience with this kind of cells. How you keep precision? Do you change inserts/tools every determinate time or auto comp with a digital measurement?

[@pratapsinhzala4875]

Wow nice work prossec

[@tonerduckpin]

Machines do not need to quarantine.

[@beatboxx713]

i keep trying to find reasons why they would let that vise on op3/op4 open and close that much. May be a fixture limitation?

[@iamthepeterman54]

Great video!

[@b.prince2263]

Imagine if those steel rods were hot dogs... That robot could make one heck of a bbq assembly line

[@extradimension7356]

@8:00 I'm like noooo waaaaay , nice ! "Grinding still to come" - Would like to see that.

[@joenuclear8533]

Ahhh I was wondering how they just flip it and chuck it and it runs true enough for a high speed spindle.

[@dantuttle2050]

The OD grind operation has its own robot!

[@bazookamoose7224]

This one shows you these guys are in my age range now with the retro-new-wave music added to it. Sweet rigs from 08. Probably been cranking out 40 tapers at that rate daily for the last 10 years strait. I wonder what the average parts per hour is. Why spend more money with a dual spindle lathe? You'd need a single spindle 5-axis mill-head with dual sub-spindles and a tool belt to simplify it to one machine. This setup works great. The only part that makes me hiccup is the robot loader. I wonder how many times the Machinist needs to re-teach it a day. Older arms like that don't last as long as those machine-tools do. I've worked with some of those older models from the 90's and late '00's, they tend to want to slam into closed doors for some reason.

[@TheKapitanMajtas]

You guys dont get problems with those long stingy chips while running this with robot?

[@MrCoffeypaul]

Was there a need to stop the chuck for tool changes?

[@ipadize]

9:20 is that a 70-200 lens in the background?

[@marcrichter7701]

nice process! How do you take care about the tolerance? don't you measure during working process

[@patrickmartinez7680]

Haas doesn’t worry about tolerances

[@dantuttle2050]

These parts get heat treated after this process. Then some are hard turned on the ID, then OD grind and taper grind. They tend to leave .003" to.005" to allow for clean-up at grind and the finished tolerance is +/= .00002" on the OD and .00001" on the taper.

[@car9167]

@@dantuttle2050 Are you sure is .00001" ? That's 0.2 microns. That's gage tolerance

[@patrickmartinez7680]

Yeah there’s no way those tolerances are accurate.

[@marcrichter7701]

@@dantuttle2050 ok that makes sense. during heat treatment the dimensions change. i love such automation process.

[@fusionsvt00]

Put a air line blower facing the go pro lens, it will keep the coolant off the lens.

[@santhoshkumars5480]

Great

[@jasonruch3529]

So basically when that robot is running full tilt they get a spindle every 12min? Impressive

[@buixote]

This is a great channel, but I'm a little surprised that you don't have better "coolant management" for your cameras... other cnc channels seem to be doing better job, in this regard... edge precision, for example. Great stuff, Thanks!

[@Sicktrickintuner]

Looks like that first lathe turret and its coolant line needs a new sealing ring.

[@patrickmartinez7680]

I think the new ones leak like that lol

[@joshuaboulee8190]

I'm seeing a lot of time savings on all 3 machines, which would mean better dropoff time. (Doesnt help to speed up one process if it isn't the bottleneck). Lathes don't need to go home for every single tool change, and spindle doesn't need to stop. I would change to g97 any time I move away from the part for tool change to save ramp up/down time. Mill is using safe tool change position for every single tool change when only a couple of the tools were long enough to require it... and why is that vice opening up so incredibly far? It's so slow they had to time lapse it! Maybe they run bigger parts in the same vice? Could be good reasons for all of it, but it seems to me they are relying on built in safety moves and throwing a generic program at it instead of making custom tool change positions in the programs. Hard to say if that is just lazy programming or intentional. Maybe there are some across-the-board standards they run in the whole shop and don't want to have overly specialized programs cell to cell, for easy operator rotation? Maybe it is based on the different parts that particular cell can run but we didn't see?

[@GTIHZ]

Beautifull !!!! 😊🔧👍

[@nikolaiownz]

Poor chip management on a robot cell is not good. Thanks for the video 👍

[@ДмитрийЗахаров-ф3л]

Круто. И добавить нечего.

[@Kmn0219]

Can someone point out to the point when they add the 40 Taper?

[@Gomerpyro]

Wtch the rack move at 11:36......

[@paddyflake]

Gives you a feel for how strong that robot arm must be 🤨

[@jasonruch3529]

Kinda looks like the Coolant block on the 1st lathe needs a new seal

[@173roberto]

So beautiful but now I think with 1 live tool subspindle cnc lathe can be done in 1 mounting position

[@weldmachine]

It was good to see the set up ? But it does seem a little overkill to have 3 machines for a one machine op. But i am sure after they run these Spindle Shafts. The machines will have something else then something else etc etc running in this one cell.

[@priyank1231990]

Trying to Integrate robot arm with my Haas machine.. stuck at handshake g code..

[@edwardmalfroid946]

How about a little rainX on the inside of that window?

[@SuperAWaC]

why? so the robot can see better?

[@paddyflake]

@@SuperAWaC 😅

[@weldmachine]

I feel it was enough that we had the opportunity to even see this cell operating. Not many companies would do this. I am not a big HAAS lover but they are great at marketing there products. The KZbin channel and a constant supply of quality video,s definitely helps to sell a product.

[@steinarne79]

The in process knowledge.... of not doing the entire faceoff as "wasted work".... Just... wow... Edit one: What is the cost of doing a robot....compared to a sub spindle.... Edit two: There is no point in having the multistation without having multiple parts running from a commander system. This is a video showing a setup out of context... Still cool!

[@spikeypineapple552]

WOW omg they don't face to centreline! That's like a 2 year in pro tip! wow!!!!!!

[@paddyflake]

I suppose that nowadays it would be way cheaper to implement that process on a dual spindle dual turret lathe with live tooling barfeeder and a parts catcher - however bear in mind that this machining cell is probably as old as the machines themselves. This is a prooven process and the machines have paid for themselves ten times over by now. One does not touch a running system 😉

[@patrickmartinez7680]

Haas does not make a machine like the one you speak of. It would quite bad on them if they were making promotional videos of other manufacturers machines making their parts. The Mazaks and Moris are in the back pounding out parts that they actually use on their machines...at least I hope so...

[@patrickmartinez7680]

Samuel Stone nobody faces off to center unless you absolutely have to. You have no surface footage in the center of the part and that’s where most of your tool wear comes from. That’s basic knowledge.

[@dantuttle2050]

@@patrickmartinez7680 when I left there were 11 Mori's, 2 Mazak's, 17 Toshiba's, 6 Makinos, 8 Okumas, 2 Toyotas & 19 Hitachi's. And 300 Haas machines. The overwhelming majority of parts are made on Haas machine. The other machines that are used are for larger parts that fall into a market that Haas is not in. Think 5 side machining and 630mm and larger pallet cells.

[@sudducnc]

👌👍🙏 from 🇳🇪

[@Zukovec]

good video tho, the pathing on the lathes seemd slopy

[@jackfitzpatrick668]

Make it juggle and run 3 at a time

[@funwitharobot]

Imagine if Haas found out about B axis mill turns.... like an integrex. That would just make too much sense.

[@ExMachinaEngineering]

Not necessarily...An Integrex of the same envelope: 1) How would the cost compare to setting up that cell? 2) Would you be able to keep it fed with material for 3 shifts over a weekend? How much would that bar feeder cost? (Bar feeder here is a... welded rack. Not to mention you can pass a parameter to the Motoman to tell him how many racks he has to work with at any given moment...) 3) Tooling cost? 4) Maintenance cost? 5) Maintenance scheduling? (This could run almost seamlessly for maintenance by calculating and staggering mill and lathe work and then doing work on one or the other machine. An Integrex is 1 machine) I try to get this across to my clients too. There a few that don't get it. The cool factor does not factor into ROI. You don't commute in a Ferrari unless your job is a racing driver. But not everyone is in the same line of business.

[@paddyflake]

😅 yeah there are way more time efficient ways of producing that part nowadays - this however seems to be a pretty old manufacturing cell. Therefore it seems a little outdated by today's standards ;) however this one has most certainly already payed for itself ten times over and buying a new machine would cost more than just running that machine cell till the machines wear out.

[@dantuttle2050]

They have 2 of them. Not efficient enough for making spindle shafts.

[@bliss8476]

Funny because they have two of them!

[@jamessmith1190]

Nice birds nest on turret lol

[@jackflash6377]

Is that why my new machine spindle is 0.0003" out?? Should have been caught at the factory. Definitely consider another brand when I buy my next one.

[@sacaramarinmihai9194]

8 microns... are you for real?

[@jackflash6377]

@@sacaramarinmihai9194 Do you even run a machine? At my shop, all end mills are dialed in to 0.0001 to 0.0002. The largest end mill we use is 6mm with many being less than 1mm. So, yeah. 0.0003" is significant. Depends on the standards you have. My standards are simple, Perfection.

[@danielmachado6750]

🇧🇷Daniel Machado - Brazil🌎🇺🇸

[@prateekgupta4676]

Did I just hear chatter ?

[@vlad55775]

Где-то смеются китайцы))

[@life.is.to.short1414]

That robot is going to.replace human

[@general9528]

skynets machines are reproducing.

[@173roberto]

If an insert breaks, how the people know?

[@kyledombrowski7051]

the beautiful sound of machines tearing themselves apart

[@paddyflake]

Yeah just listen closely and you will know 😜 but you can for instance monitor spindle load and if it exeeds a certain percentage specified for a specific tool the machine alarms out - that is one way to do it.

[@patrickmartinez7680]

Orpheus who’s standing there listening to an automated cell run? Haas has a decent tool load monitor page that works pretty well for that

[@weldmachine]

That job is for the guy standing outside the Machining Cell. He still has good hearing, lol.

[@173roberto]

Thanks guys I had no Idea about that. Would be great it an intelligent visual inspection system could check and alarm it

[@busi1968]

Завидно)

[@vlad55775]

Роботам?

[@Moonless6491]

It's really cool until all the jobs get taken by Ronnie the robot

[@twooldfartsinanrv7137]

WHY, why are letting the two boring operations make that haystack of chips? Very bad and dangerous.