Doug Harris is in conversation with John 'JT' Tancock about Celtic Christianity. This program was first broadcast on Simply the Truth, Revelation TV, Tuesday 3 July 2012
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@pauljennings15314 жыл бұрын
Brilliant this has helped me so much. Thank you JT for explaining in an easy simple manner that even I could understand.
@ike99196310 жыл бұрын
Excellent interview. I'm studying Celtic christianity and appreciate JT's balanced approach. The i terviewer's style was very down to earth. I will watch more from him.
@JTswansea6 жыл бұрын
thanks Ike sorry I am late picking this up. Do have a wander around my blog jtsblogspot.blogspot.com/
@Cartamandua Жыл бұрын
The Celtic Church"s contribution to the early history of Northumbria is considerable and well worth reading about.
@theguyver49349 ай бұрын
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
@QHarefield4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Doug and JT. I had not heard of this channel before, or of either of you (!), but I loved this. It was very helpful and very encouraging. And I loved that song.
@tzmythos7 жыл бұрын
I think that in Britain at least, Celtic Christianity must have absorbed and carried forth certain aspects and attitudes of the Druids. It is important to remember than the Catholic church was not the earliest church, and not the original influence on Christianity, and even while it was gaining a foothold in Britain, there were already Christians there since before the consolidation of the Catholic church in Rome. So the forms of Christianity that developed in Britain probably had been influenced by the Christianity of the desert fathers, Byzantine christianity, and others. Only later did the Catholic church, by this time, dogmatic, officious and increasingly political, become firmly established in Britain. But in the outer regions of Britain, at the edges where old traditions were still cherished, Roman Catholicism was never truly Roman, never wholly the Catholicism of Europe. And thank goodness for it.
@daragildea74345 жыл бұрын
There was no such thing as "celtic christianity", the CULDEES were not christians, they were Celtic Nazarene Israelites. The APOSTLES were not christians, they were Hebrew Nazarene Israelites. Christianity is a greco-roman invention, the Culdee Way is an hebreo-celtic invention, it is a completely different thing. The Culdees were Israelites but not jews, they were nazarenes but not christians, and they were druids but not pagans. They did not believe in the doctrine of the trinity or the incarnation, they believed that the Messiah was a man, and they were his disciples, which is what the apostles believed. They did not observe christmas or sundays or any other christian days, they observed the sabbath and the biblical calendar, which is what the apostles did. They did not believe in going to "heaven" when they died, they believed in reincarnation, which is what both the apostles and the druids believed. And they also believed that the messiah will come again at the end of the age to establish the kingdom of the heavens on the earth, which is what the bible teaches. The trinity, christmas & sunday observance, and going to heaven when you die were all invented by the r.c. church, and they are all derived from greco-roman paganism
@robertsettle25905 жыл бұрын
@@daragildea7434 how do you know all this to be true. Will you me someday? PLEASE!!!
@pineapplepeanuts5 жыл бұрын
You'll have to come up with evidence for all those claims. The evidence so far suggests that there was no theological differences between Celtic Christians and those of the Roman church. There were some local practices they did such as going into "exile for Christ" but otherwise they were in full theological and practical compliance with Rome. The whole idea of a "Celtic Church" as opposed to the Roman Church is a modern invention fueled by Celtomania. It came out of the same places and time period as Wicca, Neo-Paganism, new age, etc. Do your research.
@matiastolmo89363 жыл бұрын
@@daragildea7434 the apostles were nazarenes but they were TRINITARIAN, it's in fact in the book of John where there more proof of the divinity of Jesus
@josephperkins40803 жыл бұрын
@@pineapplepeanuts nice copy and paste
@TheHumbuckerboy8 жыл бұрын
Doug was my favourite Rev' TV presenter back in the day. I also found him to have been the best and most capable moderator when various debates were being conducted.
@harrypolkey77367 жыл бұрын
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@hyweldda563 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, very informative. Good to see a son of Swansea on the KZbin. As you say Celtic Christianity has a lot to teach us today and a return to its emphases and values is a return to the Christian Faith in all its fulness, Many thanks
@Mark-ej4uf6 ай бұрын
Thank y'all..
@QIBear-or7cj4 жыл бұрын
Bishop Fulton Sheen once said, " If a religion proffeses Truth, then it proffesses God, because God is Truth." There is no lie in nature, and Celtic Orthodoxy (Celtic Rite, Celtic Christianity, etc.) exemplifies that.
@beowulf.reborn5 жыл бұрын
THE SABBATH IN THE CELTIC CHURCHES "It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times*, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, as a day of rest from labor, and Sunday, commemorative of the Lord’s resurrection, as one of rejoicing, with exercises of public worship. In that case they obeyed the Fourth Commandment literally upon the Seventh Day of the week - the day on which the Lord lay in the grave - and did not understand the precept about resting from labor to apply to the day of rejoicing over His resurrection. On the latter, people did not feel under obligation to refrain from any of their ordinary occupations consistent with their attending upon public worship." * From about 200 A.D. (perhaps earlier) until the reign of Queen “Saint” Margaret of Scotland c. 1045 - 16 November 1093. ~ pg 140, The Church in Scotland. By the Rev. James C. Moffat, D.D. Professor of Church History, Princeton Theological Seminary.
@holysmokes23744 жыл бұрын
Glory to Jesus Christ! Just FYI - The Christians if that era then and now didn’t worship saints or relics. They venerated (is showed honor) to these people because of Who they were so deeply, mystically united to, that is, Jesus Christ. The veneration of saints and relics goes back to the roots of the Christian faith. It’s not a later invention.
@gbronzich4 жыл бұрын
Good exploration of the topic!
@motorcop5055 жыл бұрын
The presenter brings up the "soul friend," but fails to mention the crucial aspect that it is the very root of the practice of confession in the Roman Catholic Church. Furthermore, Celtic Christianity was a system based on Monasteries with Abbots and Abbesses rather than a system based on Dioceses like the rest of the Roman Catholic world. They were Catholic without being Roman-based. Celtic monks had different tonsured (they shaved off all their hair from the ears forward rather than the halo-esque tonsures of the Roman Church. The other key difference between the two types of Christianity was centered on the dates used for the celebration of Easter, since the Celtic Church used a different calendar method to determine its date. In the Synod of Whitby that was mentioned, these questions were all brought up and the King of North Umbria had to choose which system to follow. In the end, the Roman system was adopted using the justification that the rest of Christendom used the Roman system, so they should too. The Irish monks refused to make the changes and returned to Ireland, while those in England adopted the Roman practices. Finally, the Celtic people used the number three in many aspects of life, including their artwork and designs as well as their poetry in three line couplets and revered many female deities, and readily accepted the triune aspect of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit as well as central female saints and Mary as the Mother of God.
@dgbx69 жыл бұрын
interesting and really refreshing, given all the angry evangelical Christianity today. A wonderful antidote
@andrewmcdonald60598 жыл бұрын
Long live the Culdees
@OneEpicEric4 ай бұрын
The ancient British contained 2 groups of people. 1 the Albyne or Albina people and 2 the Cymric. Both considered themselves as British.
@candyclews40472 жыл бұрын
Celtic Christians were not under the yoke of Rome and were the original believers in the Bible alone. Sad that Rome eventually took over.
@bradleynewall75416 жыл бұрын
The question I want to know, were the early Christian Celts Trinitarian? Is the Trinity and Sunday worship a Roman concept from the Nicene Creed in the 4th century?
@Tsalagi9785 жыл бұрын
No. Sunday worship began in the first century and the concept of Trinity goes back to the Apostolic Fathers before Nicea.
@rutherglenroad81095 жыл бұрын
Read Kegan Chandler's book The God of Jesus in the light of Christian dogma. This book will convince you that Trinitarianism was never part of the earliest church - it was a mix of non-Hebrew/non-Christian sources. The Celtic Chuch were strongly sabbitarian (Saturday) worshippers.
@Tsalagi9785 жыл бұрын
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@dedragalyon68795 жыл бұрын
@@Tsalagi978 Please, read "A Patristic Treasury." It has all of the answers.
@JTswansea3 жыл бұрын
They most definately were trinitarian. in common with all the mainstream Church from the first century they were trinitarian and used Sunday to celebrate.
@HappyQuailsLC5 жыл бұрын
So Paganism from the dark ages is now being called Christianity? And now the Celts were a race??? What creative interpretation!
@MikeGreenwood514 жыл бұрын
Your dark ahhges are your dark ages. Cristianity and Celtic Christianity were not the same as Paganism. Some races were Celts.
@josephperkins40803 жыл бұрын
Yes some races are Celtic...what did you think it was a basketball team
@lizzielocked71918 жыл бұрын
but yes, he can present a balanced argument
@WorldView227 жыл бұрын
Celtic Christianity is traditionally, historically, Greek-Roman Orthodox, not western, not papal, but there was a forced change towards the end of the 10th century onward. A reliable repository of information about this subject is here: www.oodegr.com/english/brit_celt_orthodoxy/brit_celt_orthodoxy.htm
@joydeepghosh17814 жыл бұрын
There was a Great Celtic Empire all over Europe. Cimmerian Celts were in the Middle East, Tocharians have also been called Celts.
@lizzielocked71918 жыл бұрын
British Museum's current exhibition challenges all that this man says about the history of the 'Celts'. It was no more than a culture which spread across several races and ended up being roughly defined geographically.
@motorcop5057 жыл бұрын
Lizzie Locked In the recent DNA test of all the U.K., Cornwall was found to be the most genetically "pure" in hat they had the least intermarriage with other parts of the British Isles. To the Common Celtic speaking countries are two areas of Spain that also see themselves as Celts (for example they also play a version of bagpipes, etc.) Although the Celts may not be a separate race, they definitely had a unique culture, albeit one that was influenced by outsiders.
@stankonthabeats5 жыл бұрын
Celtic (HEBER, IBER, IVERI, HIBER) Christianity is the real Christianity
@asdougherty32985 жыл бұрын
Does anyone have these notes?
@JTswansea6 жыл бұрын
There is some really offensive and juvenile language being used by some people in these comments . Pretty immature if u ask me.
@reachout6 жыл бұрын
I have removed the worst that I can find JT.
@reachout6 жыл бұрын
That must seem very spooky, getting a message from Doug. It's Mike.
@TheHumbuckerboy4 жыл бұрын
It was a bit spooky for me to read the comment seeing as I am aware that Doug himself died several years ago !
@J-Called Жыл бұрын
Highly informative, but Doug seems a bit too flippant.
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
The holiest of holies is a man...
@haroldjones93212 жыл бұрын
People in the comments are nonsensical.
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
News at six one What's that about? News at Satewn 1/6=???
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Look i know its not nice... But its the truth... If you want to actually do something about it... That's up to you... I've done all I can by informing you of the situation...
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Loose suffer is the straight one
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
365 days in a year 6-5=1 difference of one 1+3=4 difference of one 4*5 difference of one Divided by three steps 666
@robinconkel-hannan662910 жыл бұрын
Today's Celts don't argue.. We debate.. Sometimes we do get a bit loud and forceful.. .....
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Brightest star in the universe is C... Anis.. Majoris... Dog...
@ridanann11 жыл бұрын
i spread the celtic christian massage this guy is grand for sumthing on a reilgious channel. im atheist but it has no effect on my thinking that a naturalistic christianity cuts to the very heart of humanity. bobby sands martin luther king david kato etc...... i can scientificly prove the power of jesus weather or not its super natural its amazing. iosa gu bragh
@robertsettle25905 жыл бұрын
Bobby Sands is rotton!!!
@DisobedientSpaceWhale3 ай бұрын
Whitby is more than fish and chips....
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
A brah him is in the j cub Do you know the story of Know ahs are k?
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Walt disney Deny what? Woody and buzz and molly and toys that come alive when the parents aren't home
@lizzielocked71918 жыл бұрын
what's with the interviewer laughing at the welsh language?? and rolling his eyes that he may have celtic blood? racist!
@bradleynewall75416 жыл бұрын
+TheRaokenx I am proud of having Celtic blood in me, its the Anglo Saxon blood I'm not proud of having... but we can't choose who we are.
@dexterjankaren5 жыл бұрын
Celtics were wild and crazy. Maybe he likes more order in life.
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
60 seconds one unit type 60 minutes one unit ype 24 hours one unit type 2+4 Three steps... One and three... 666
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Look at this.. R'n'a genetic sequencing... Ghey ain't he thick see quence... R'n'a... Quence... R'n'a.. Querce...
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
I don't think you fully appreciate the gravity of the situation... Its all like that... History... Science... Religion... Everything.... If your a good decent person... Your probably not going to like it at all... I fucking hate it... But can't do anything about it...
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Revelations on the "John" When shall they ass end to havin??? Reverse Not i at all ever nevaeh
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
DNA the genetic sequence Deny...
@stephencrabb45838 жыл бұрын
also you need to learn about history
@gerwynjones68625 жыл бұрын
Cock Nee (Cymru)
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Six one S.. I.. X(roman numeral 10) One I s10 won I s 10 (binary 2) won I s two won I stwon...
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Gay men brother... Gay men!!!
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
The Lord of laois is a bad guy for being honest
@dermotheaney4 жыл бұрын
Watch Barry Cuniff , archeologist explain celts. There's a pile of things here, that confuses people , I'll just address Ireland , we were not invaded by the celts, we all speak a language I'd say is Celt but that's just like speaking English , it doesn't make us English . There's a farmer republic that spread along the Atlantic seaboard that speak the same language and its 8,000 years older than the celts , we are part of that and so is much of Britain , the populations have been there for 3000 bc, the worst thing Ireland did was copy some art styles , that's it. Please stop going on with this Celt myth, it's a 18th fabrication from Brittany
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
The bible is written on paper by God... The holey sheets of dog...
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Face psalm Face psalm Me likey Me likey Easy kill..
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
The poop is the voice of gay odd
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Jesus is the light... The light is a rainbow flag Straight one is De evil
@troyhayder69864 жыл бұрын
Sin... Is a crime against god... Six inches... And the seven prince's of hell...
@anthonyhenderson76439 жыл бұрын
Paganism, pure and simple. Just look at the Iona community website and you will get more than a trifle ecumenical vibe!
@dedragalyon68795 жыл бұрын
The Iona Community is not the Celtic Christianity of antiquity by any stretch of the imagination.
@stephencrabb45838 жыл бұрын
you need to be cultic to know
@michaeltinney22757 жыл бұрын
St Patrick was trained in France the celtic church was always part of the Catholic Church please stop lying it's a sin
@TheM41a7 жыл бұрын
Michael Tinney theologically Celtic Christianity was much closer to Coptic Christianity than it ever was to Roman Catholicism, it was only after the Norman invasion the Irish officially became catholic as one of the reasons for the invasion was to unite the Irish church with the apostolic church of Rome.
@mactire92516 жыл бұрын
based on the dating of easter alone that's what you say with conviction, Biff? I think it was neither
@josephperkins40803 жыл бұрын
Wrong
@geordiewishart1683 Жыл бұрын
Papists are always pure raging whenever the truth shows that Jesus did not start the Catholic church.