Cem Sultan: Ottoman Prince in the Heart of Europe

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The new Kings and Generals animated historical documentary will cover the life of the Ottoman prince Cem. This son of the conqueror of Constantinople Sultan Mehmed II started a civil war against the rule of his brother Bayezid II, eventually becoming an exile and playing a huge role in the European and Middle Eastern politics.
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The video was made by Yağız Bozan and Murat Can Yağbasan, while the script was researched and written by Ethan Symons
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[@KingsandGenerals]

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[@peymanmostafaei6963]

When is it time for Homayoun?

[@KingsandGenerals]

I dropped the topic to the list, we'll see when

[@rrajanasar4027]

Ottoman empire 1299 1923 Muslim European Asia North American South American North Africa South African history world video

[@emretatl5069]

why no Turkish subtitles please add turkish subtitles

[@thesceptilegod3581]

is this the ottoman wars video or will that be soon?

[@22vx]

Cem seems to have done 70 years worth of living in only 35 years. Great story guys 👍 well told!

[@johnl.7754]

22vx yeah was surprised when he said 35 years old.

[@22vx]

@@johnl.7754 ikr

[@TurquazCannabiz]

I would love to see a movie about this man's life

[@mitjed]

35 years in the old days was 70 years old, the life expectancy is like 40 years old.

[@nevio2658]

@@mitjed Yeah, that's not really accurate. The life expectancy was so low was being of infant mortality and young men dying in war. Cem was a prince. He would have had the best access to medicine and had a high quality life-style. 35 Years old for a noble who didn't die in war is still pretty young.

[@Liquidsback]

A 2nd son is born to a royal family. Most Royal families: Yes, this is a blessing. Ottomans: This might be a problem.........

[@NobleKorhedron]

Eh, the Ottomans were ruthless bastards when it came to the succession...

[@inhocsignovinces7713]

the history of royal families in the ottoman empire was basically a real-life version of game of thrones lol

[@SAADOFFICIAL436]

@@inhocsignovinces7713 They did these to prevent further uprisings

[@TheTariqibnziyad]

@@SAADOFFICIAL436 exactly Suleiman the Magnificent's brain, tell them about your "Nama laws".

[@mehdihasani2543]

@GoodGirlKate well that is what happened with Ahmed I with his younger brother Mustafa I, Ahmed was the first to defy the rule that was set by his ancestor Mehmed II. Although it may not be a factual evidence, i like to think that Ahmed truly loved his younger brother Mustafa :)

[@EzraDair]

I really appreciate the Ottoman soundtrack in the background unlike other channels who just put some random orientalist music.

[@mism847]

Two Steps From Hell

[@mahafujrayhan2877]

@@mism847 you are in

[@mism847]

@@mahafujrayhan2877 ?

[@Pedrosa2541]

Judging by the many loyal friends he made during his lifes, he must have been a really cool guy.

[@emrenuriyev9132]

Well he was very exotic since he was the son of mehmed II who came from east and culturally different than western europeans.

[@Pedrosa2541]

@@emrenuriyev9132 I think it goes above it, one guy seriously offered a good chunck of his empire for his liberation, another risked his life trying to help him to escape.

[@turkbud802]

@@emrenuriyev9132 The western rulers were probably impressed since at this early timeline, most ottoman sultans had some education in greek and latin and could speak it somewhat

[@fuseydunae397]

because they wanted to destabilize the empire. that's why they "befriended" him. politics don't work with love and friendship unfortunately.

[@tasogare6598]

Man Ottoman history is insane. Real life Game of Thrones stuff with political struggles and shit. Never a dull moment.

[@piotrgrzelak2613]

As inherited straight from eastern rome

[@pendragon3350]

Lmao. 'never a dull moment'. That's an every day shit in Turkey in the last 500 years.

[@piotrgrzelak2613]

@Alex Lewisham then modern politics is that, multiplied ad infinitum

[@farinal]

modern turkish political history from 1940 to 2020 is even wilder.

[@c.a.1929]

Well every powerful kingdom or empire had the same successory struggles. Take medieval England for example or the successor of Djenghiz Khan the white, Golden Horde thrill khanate etc. Each had their internal struggles. But the one that takes it all must be the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire!

[@ondergun9857]

According to many historians Cem was the copy of his father, Mehmed II, almost same attitude and belligerence. This was a disadvantage for him, because Mehmed II pushed the empire too hard, at some point endless wars and conflicts became tiring for viziers and pashas. Cem was a hard nosed warrior, but Bayezid was a scholar, relatively weak and more peaceful man. Ottomans statesmen in fact chose Bayezid over Cem and his reign was considered 'a stagnation period' in golden age of Ottomans. Very good document as always btw. As one of the earliest subscribers, I am proud to witness the evolution of K&G from a relatively small channel in youtube to become a giant with much over 1 million subscribers. We are grateful to you guys, this channel is heaven of history

[@evanmedi6144]

@mohamed emara opting for peace in medieval times was a signe of weakness. had byazid been more proactive in his days, the map would of been different today

[@BALLARDTWIN]

Beyazid wasnt all bad I guess since he saved the jews and muslims from the spanish inquisition

[@harami78]

Beyazid not weak or peaceful. He could not 'proactive moves' due to 'Cem problem'.

[@thefulanichad]

Thx for this 👏🏾

[@dukaktemuryaylg9659]

@@BALLARDTWIN yep but he didnt conquer anywhere

[@brokenbridge6316]

Poor Cem he was betrayed and not supported in his endeavors for the longest time. And when he finally gets a monarch willing to do what he wanted the man suddenly dies. It seems like he was meant to be unlucky. My compliments to all those who made this video a reality.

[@brokenbridge6316]

@Oster The Brony----Hey you two. I don't mind a civilized debate but I don't appreciate name calling. Keep it civil.

[@jojokay7426]

Oster The Brony but he promised the Europeans that they will get their lands back

[@brokenbridge6316]

@Mulattiu---Perhaps

[@caranthirn7400]

Fun fact : Karamani Mehmet Pasha was only 22 years old when he died. He was a really young Grand Vizier. The representation of him in this video looks like 60 years old man which is wrong.

[@caranthirn7400]

@Efe Alca I am pretty sure that he died 22 years old. Born in 1458 amd died in 1481. I checked all reliable resources.

[@canguven3260]

It's totally wrong information. It seems like someone trolled wiki page of him

[@cloneeja]

@@caranthirn7400 Nereden baktın? Hangi kaynakta 22 yaşında oldupu yazıyor?

[@trewytrew6357]

2. Prince born Other Royal families: We are blessed (-2 war exhaustion, -2 unrest to all provinces) Ottomans: it's an Omen (-3 stability)

[@sagagis]

I wasn't expecting an EU4 reference here xD after the -3 stability hit, a pretender army rises in Anatolia :D

[@ShieldThatGuardsTheRealmOfMen]

@@sagagis 18 rebel stack in Ankara, mountains and fort...

[@crimson279]

@@ShieldThatGuardsTheRealmOfMen And you forgot to activate your fort

[@MuhammadRafy]

@@crimson279 Don't click on event while activating fort for two months

[@egesisli5694]

@@ShieldThatGuardsTheRealmOfMen you should probably accept their demands since cems stats were probably higher than bayezids xd

[@turuncueller]

One of the reasons once I was told by an academician why Cem was prevented by Janisarries was the fact that the army of the time tired of decades of conquests during Mehmet II's reign, and wanted to stop these, because Cem was like his father.

[@onurkagangocebe]

This may not true. Because ottoman army gains spoils of war when they conquer somewhere and soldiers get their share too. So army always looks for more battle. Janissaries supported beyazid only because he have fought with them many battles along with his father. They knew eachother but cem.

[@vanlao6367]

@@onurkagangocebe spoil of war can only keep troop's morale for so long before it can no longer convince men to fight. Alexander the Great marched his army from Macedonia all the way to India winning many battle and earn many spoils of war, but had to stop the conquest afterward because his troops became homesick and would mutiny if they didn't return.

[@onurkagangocebe]

@@vanlao6367 janissaries has no home, has no family. They only have the state as a father and mother. This is different case. You got to make a research to understand the Ottoman janissary comtitution.

[@vanlao6367]

@@onurkagangocebe Janissaries are just human, they aren't machines that will fight without being mentally tired no matter how loyal they are to the Ottoman or the sultan. Battle fatigue is a real thing, look at the modern research of soldier's performance in U.S, U.K and other countries, it shows that after a certain amount of time serving, the soldiers start to show little interest in continuing their service - it was marked as "passing their peak performance" even though their physical conditions still allow them to serve the countries even longer, and this amount of time shorten even further when they are in active combat duty. This mean even in the past, such phenomenon also applies on every troops of the period. That's why I brought the case of Alexander up, not because his troops have family, but because his troops has shown sign of battle fatigue and was unwilling to continue further unless they stay out of war for a period of time. The point of getting spoil of war is to spend it, and the Janissaries simply didn't have much opportunities to do that under Mehmed. They are the sultan's bodyguards and elites troops, so they couldn't simply leave his armies after getting their share of loots like the common troops that can be recruited in every towns, and the longer they spend their time follow Mehmed in his conquests, the higher chances they would die before they can indulge themselves in the spoils of war. That's why most rulers want to end war quickly, because it's very hard to convince men to fight for a long period of time as the risk of death grow exponentially the longer the war drag on.

[@nowayman1406]

his life similar to stannis baratheon

[@serenemountain6769]

Stannis Baratheon never existed ... how was is life similar ???? Fictional characters never lived ! if you say they are similar in character ! You might be right ...

[@kiagusriyasqie7327]

@Saint Michael chill

[@victork4700]

Just when i thought Cem went through all that over so many decades. The video ends with, "He was 35" when he died. Poor Cem

[@georgejolkesky3104]

This is a trully beautiful map!! Good Job!!

[@fullmetalalchemist9126]

There is nothing beautiful about it

[@ceyhunozkan9919]

about ottoman, dont agree because there are turkish named cities but also greek named cities which is confusing if you consider that many cities (actually majority of them) are actually latin named before. you know, if you make edirne, ankara, konya then you should make that izmir not smyrna. if you dont do this you should make those names in latin.. whatever their names back in history.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Ah yes, splitting the domain... a great way to make an empire collapse fast

[@enesakhan4032]

as it did with Rome - Gokturks - Mongols etc. :D

[@RodolfoGaming]

Hello there protector of the confederation of the rhine. See someone took a page out of the romans

[@kubat552]

@@enesakhan4032 And all of them failed except eastern romans :D

[@briaormead4239]

Turks often did that throught their history due to the nomadic life they had

[@EquilibriumScale]

It obviously was a ruse - he would split it then attack the other half

[@herrrobert5340]

I love how the narration makes you think he's an old man, and then it's revealed he died at the ripe age of 35.

[@anormobilegaming2237]

Same for Mehmet II he was very young at the time. He was 49 when he died.

[@kubat552]

Cem had great potential but army and viziers supported bayezid. Cem looked more like his father than his brother. His father's reign full of 30-year conquests exhausted the viziers and the army. They wanted a relatively calm and peaceful sultan. That's why they supported bayezid II. This is a breaking point for Turkish and Italian history. When mehmed the conqueror died in 1481 civil war erupted in ottoman empire. Then ahmed pasha leave small garrison inside otranto and returned to rumelia. During the Ottoman civil war, Christians easily took back otranto.

[@kubat552]

@Star Star LOL pure bullshit.

[@doruk5493]

@Star Star yazmayı bilsen birde keşke, ne zaman bırakacaksınız bu Atatürk masondu Atatürk ingiliz ajanıydı ayaklarını cidden merak ediyorum adam 1.dünya savaşından dolayı hukuken ve fiilen son bulmuş bir imparatorluktan TC yi çıkardı siz hala uğraşın

[@Nomad.552]

@Star Star so what, why this excites you that much? Its not your business!

[@jonbey5996]

@Star Star you idiot they were grouping in mason logias because it was the only safe place abdüldumb cant fuck and stop them fuck your arabized ass

[@kubat552]

@@Nomad.552 Guys why are u feeding him ? Just shut up and let him make idle talk.

[@TookLuke]

Nobel prize winner Ivo Andrić wrote in one of his book about Cem. I was fascinated when I read about tragic life of this man. Nice to see that someone made a documentary about Cem Sultan. Cem was very educated and loved for a reason. His journey was tragic but he made a lot of friends and put a mark on their life.

[@friedzombie4]

Richard the Lionheart would be rolling in his grave if he heard the deal Innocent rejected.

[@DarthPlato]

By the time the Third Crusade had ended, Richard made it clear that Jerusalem could not be held long term without first controlling Egypt. Future crusades tried to follow this advice. The video overstates Innocent VIII's commitment to renewing the crusading spirit.

[@marcpeterson1092]

On the other hand, Pope Gregory ix would agree. Jerusalem is less important than politics.

[@geletoz]

Right? No one in the tc is talking about that. Jerusalem and the Palestine for one guy lol instead he chose 40k ducats

[@cumhurbabaoglu2585]

Thanks for the great video. I was born in Edirne and now I'm living in Istanbul. When I return to my hometown, I usually walk through the forest near the old palace where once upon a time sultans and princes went hunting. The old palace is now in ruins, but as I walk along I think of the historical events and know that Cem was born in a pavilion here that is now extinct.

[@mehdihasani2543]

Mehmed II: *Doesn't pull out* - Consort gets pregnant with his 3rd son Mehmed II: *surprised pickachu face*

[@tasinal-hassan8268]

Too much fun,I guess.

[@jax2728]

Weak pull out game screwed the Ottoman Empire lol

[@mystic8265]

He conquered too hard I suppose ;)

[@thepepchannel7940]

Pulling out is not close to a guarantee either

[@thepepchannel7940]

Milo The Orange well 99% versus eehhhhh seems a lot better to me

[@davidblair9877]

So, basically, Ottoman sultans were chosen via horse races.

[@medetbilalsarac4856]

The sultan was sending his sons to provinces according to his preference. For example if Sultan doesn't want his son to take the throne he sends the son to Trabzon. The sultan sends his best heir to Manisa which is known as the city of the sultans . If you look at the distance between Manisa-istanbul and Trabzon-Istanbul you can see what I mean. Horse race was won for the boy in Manisa even before it started.

[@lyjordos]

Medet Bilal Sarac manisa still seems a bit far compared with bursa or edirne though!

[@medetbilalsarac4856]

@@lyjordos Bursa and Edirne were one of the most important cities after the capital. Heirs were sent to some spesific cities such as Manisa Trabzon Amasya and Konya. Compared to others Manisa is far the closest.

[@ricedealer56]

to be fair I read title as cum sultan

[@AgeofTrade]

Am i mistaken, or is this not a sort of leftover tradition from their nomadic roots. Just like when Khans died, all prominent leaders who wanted a shot at the throne had to abort mission and convene in order to pick the new leader.

[@sherlocksmuuug6692]

Bayezid developed an opium addiction. This enraged his father, who punished him severely. Cem meanwhile tried to gain his father's affection by learning all thirteen languages available on Babbel. This worked, but the janissaries considered him a smart-ass because he wouldn't stop bragging about it and chose Bayezid over him as the new Sultan, so he fled into exile. Repeatedly, because Bayezid's army of bots dogpiled his account every time he tried to make a comeback. Worse, he bribed the knights of twitter to suspend Cem's account. Decades later, just as hope of being unsuspended returned, Cem died under mysterious circumstances. Some say the Borgias poisoned his supply of gamergirl bathwater, but that was never proven.

[@Caesar88888]

who is gamergirl?

[@tasinal-hassan8268]

@@Caesar88888 Bel Delphine.

[@JustGrowingUp84]

@Sherlock Smuuug This was beautiful...

[@adriansz343]

Virgin Bayezid vs. Chad Cem

[@Caesar88888]

@@adriansz343 actually cem got owned so vice verca

[@CrimeanHorseArcher]

How many times have Ottomans came to brink of collapse... but somehow survived. They say Bayezid is a poet one, a slow and less ambitious man which was good for some reasons. But the son of Bayezid, Selim was a very harsh one. Therefore gained the nickname "Harsh". He even fought his father and lost, saw the potential danger in Eastern borders and crushed Mamluks and Safavids in 3 years time. 15th and 16th century is what a time to live in.. imagine the fantastic figures in Europe from leaders to scientists and artists.

[@syedferoz2188]

and his reign was the shortest compared to all other ottoman sultans in actual power not the one deposed sadly but good for him his son was ambitious and made a huge mark in history

[@afd1040]

I never understood this love for Beyazid , his reign wasn't a peaceful one either the only difference he was less competent than his father and son.

[@MrKecisurat]

Fun Fact: As a tradition, for male Sultans, "Sultan" comes before the name. Like Sultan Mehmet or Sultan Suleyman. But for female characters "Sultan" comes after the name. Like Hurrem Sultan or Kosem Sultan. Calling him Cem Sultan was a way to insult him somehow in those days.

[@TheNord06]

But nearly everyone calls him as cem sultan. Is that a subtle propaganda or its just easier to pronounce I wonder 🤔

[@mirzakagan5729]

sultan is also just a title denoting they were of a royal dynasty (ottoman). in reality the persian title padishah was used more to refer to the ruling emperor in the ottomans

[@cpt.kranos4319]

Wow the turkish people in the turkish channel communicate with english language(and ı am too)its awesome

[@TheNord06]

Selman Soy wait turkish channel?

[@cpt.kranos4319]

@@TheNord06 ı see them in the flu tv (olmaz öyle saçma tarih) and someone says they are azerbaijan turks

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Cem’s anthem must be an Adele song... *”We could’ve had it aaaaalllll....* *Rolling in the deeeeeeppp...”*

[@instantinople3796]

You again

[@kostandinmedi1149]

@M-K Production I'm sorry but when you say "Ottomans didn't change the languages of Balkan Nations" you are clearly ignoring the albanian one. Just a reminder , ottomans and later with the support of the greek orthodox church didn't allow us to create albanian schools for 500 years straight contrary to the greeks , serbs and romanians who had schools in their language because they lowered their heads to the ottoman rule with small to no resistance. And you are telling me to respect them for that LOL

[@yalcnbey5834]

@@kostandinmedi1149 , "ottomans and later with the support of the greek orthodox church didn't allow us to create albanian schools for 500 years" Typical Balkan lie, trying to blame everything bad on Turks. There was no concept of general education back then. Nobody would care if you opened up a school or not. There was no ban on any language whatsoever during Ottoman rule, because they didn't care. Ottoman state cared about these things only; 1- obey the state (dynasty) 2- pay your taxes 3- don't revolt That's it. All that "oh actually we were the greatest nation on earth until that god forsaken race of devil cavemen arrived and ruined everytihng :'( " mentality is just false. Totally.

[@kostandinmedi1149]

@@yalcnbey5834 Well , first of all I speak only about the albanian language and not the other balkan ones, so what's to you a Balkan lie it's an Albanian truth to me. Let me give you an example . Scanderbeg was an Albanian general who was educated by the ottomans and later became the hero we all know, in other words he was an educated albanian who posed probably the biggest threat to the rising ottaman empire. So what the ottomans did was to not allow any albanian to be educated in his language because we were considered a great threat to them. So , it's not like the ottomans didn't care about the education of it's population or didn't implement a ban in languages cuz that's just bullshit , it's like telling me that the albanians chose to stay uneducated for 500 years. The Turks wanted it's population to remain uneducated because they needed uneducated soldiers for their campaigns. And finally , I never said that "the Albanian race/ nation was the best on earth" and didn't want to make such a statement because that would make my comment just racist.

[@yalcnbey5834]

​@@kostandinmedi1149 , as I said, fantasies. 1- Albania was never a threat to Ottoman empire. Physically impossible. Realistic in the vein of, Navarre was a threat to France. 2- There was no "banning education", because there was no national education back then, not in the empire, not in anywhere else. That is a modern concept. 3- Albanians did stay uneducated for 500 years, just like everyone else. The only country that reached a reasonable level of literacy before Enlightenment was Japan. In everywhere else, almost all peasants were illiterate, and peasants formed the vast majority of every nation. 4- Turks did not need Albanians as soldiers. They were recruited as light infantry, but that's all. We were always a militaristic nation, you don't become one by depending on other peoples' soldiers. 5- You didn't say Alabnia was the best, and you didn't have to. By claiming that Albanians were a great threat to Ottomans, you supported my proposition. Indeed, all Balkan nations have similar fantesies, about how great they once were, how they stalled the Turkish advance for 783 years, how much Europe owes them for their heroic defense, how one time their 3 thousand strong peasant army annihilated a Turkish army of 200 thousand janissaries and the Padishah barely escaped and so on and so forth. A bunch of fantasies aimed to make you feel as if your history was much more important to the world than it actually was. Banning Albanian education because Albania was a great threat to Ottoman empire. That sums it up.

[@afifi1828]

Bayezid II is great ottoman leader. Yes he is soft like leader, but his son Selim I is a tough warrior. Sometimes, people often forget Bayezid II send ship to Granada (Al Andalus) to save muslim and jews from Spanish Inquisition

[@tasinal-hassan8268]

_"You venture to say that Ferdinand is a great ruler,he who has impoverished his own lands and enriched mine!"_- Sultan Bayezit II

[@roz6454]

bayezid II had the nickname bayezid veli, bayezid the saint, because of his altruistic peace loving ways. He always tried solving problems with diplomacy; we have him to thank for rescuing thousands of muslims and jews from the spanish inquisition. He was in many ways ahead of his time.

[@piotrgrzelak2613]

Why was he rescuing the jews in particular though?

[@dominicguye8058]

@@piotrgrzelak2613 Because they were being forcibly expelled from Spain as a result of the Alhambra Decree. There was also at least one Jew in his court (Moses Capsali) who encouraged this pro-refugee stance.

[@piotrgrzelak2613]

@@dominicguye8058 Huh, that's fascinating. The king of Poland, Casimir the great, who gave the most rights to the jews, like immunity to all courts but the ones of the crown itself, was said to have a Jewish lover.

[@martinp3166]

I have always loved the stories of adventures who ended up in the most unlikeliest of places

[@TheCodeSwordfish]

Finally you did the important change for making the names bigger and clearer to read and the story followed by dates !! The map is also stunning! Thank you so much!!

[@KingsandGenerals]

No problem 😊

[@jesseberg3271]

I guess you could say that Gem Sultan found the hospitality of the Hospitallers lacking.

[@TheKingDain]

@Klaidi Rubiku I think in this case it was meant as a joke and a pun.

[@jesseberg3271]

@Klaidi Rubiku as Lars pointed out, yes, it's a pun. Hospitaler, hospital, and hospitality all come from the same Latin root word, hospitalis. So inhospitable Hospitalers are a contradiction in terms, they are literally not doing the thing that their name means that they do.

[@gokalptozlu9201]

Who are the gem

[@RainforceVI]

Man this guy lived a tragic life, but it's a great story to tell.

[@livefreeordie7598]

I remember from this series that his brother died in capivity as well, most likely mistreated by his captor Timor.

[@hotpoteita245]

Livefree Ordie nah, but his son stayed in rhodes and became christian. even fought against ottomans in 1521, siege of rhodes and get executed by suleiman the magnificent.

[@hotpoteita245]

Livefree Ordie his great great parent is captured by timur, which is bayezid the first or bayezid the lightning.

[@abdulmuqtadiral-rafae6979]

This channel deserves to be the highest ranked history channel.

[@zacharybiehler1092]

Isn't it already?

[@Spawnofktulu007]

The Mamluks offered the Papal States the holy land and they said NO?! That's not something they mention in your average history class. That's a big deal, failure or not.

[@DarthPlato]

They said no, because it was no longer a popular idea. Some years after this the Portuguese tried to float the idea of landing in Arabia, capture Mecca, offer an exchange for Jerusalem. Whole thing evaporated because of lack of interest. It's easy for the present to stereotype the past.

[@worldofthought8352]

@@DarthPlato I know my history class did show a overview of the crusades highlighting the politics, and that the 4th crusade was just an assault on Byzantine itself was evidence that the ideology of "restoring" Jerusalem had evaporated at that point.

[@DarthPlato]

Well, the Fourth Crusade did sack Constantinople, that's true--but that event is not a good example to use. The Fourth suffered because there was no powerful figure, monarch or otherwise, that was willing to lead the campaign to Egypt, and then to Jerusalem. And this was inside ten years after the Third Crusade. What ended up happening was that a renegade Byzantine prince arrived and asked for the campaign to detour to Constantinople and place him on the throne as Alexius IV. He offered money and an end to the East/West Schism. And this was on top of the other problems that were transpiring that threatened to derail the entire campaign. Accepting the prince's plan, it was argued, was the best way forward. But there were plenty of participants who were very worried about what they were doing, and for many different reasons. Constantinople ended up getting sacked because Alexius IV, after the crusaders had put him in power, didn't pay the money he said he'd pay. A Latin Byzantine state was created in the ashes. That, in my opinion, was the true fall of the Byzantine Empire.

[@Caysari]

@@DarthPlato hahaha what an idea but I think they would had an easier time conquering jerusalem itself then mecca If that happend I could seen something like a muslim version of a crusade going on

[@Euzuner41]

@@DarthPlato portequise did pretty good at arabic shores at these timez

[@ReallyDazed]

Geez, he was 35 and had the life experiences of an 80 year old.

[@MrAlexkyra]

I really liked hearing this story. I found it particularly sad that ultimately Cem just wanted to live out the rest of his days in peace in a Muslim nation as his brother had once offered, but it was too late for such a life. It's very relatable to someone who left their home permanently or long term for their career, or for opportunities or adventure, and eventually finds themselves wishing they had never left.

[@jamesporter628]

I've just got to say, how the hell is this channel so consistently good? It's amazing. I'd love to see a blog, or video explaining the process that goes into the videos, and maybe some info on the people who work on them. Genuinely, thanks for making these!

[@Predator-tj8yb]

As a turkish I had never heard of his stpry before,I got angry at him at first but hearing he regretted ever going abroad made me sad :( this is one of the greatest history videos I've watched..

[@saqlainalvi5485]

Romans and the Ottomans are the only empires worth talking about

[@moonson8804]

And Mongol/China are great as well

[@furpleshlupmuckleblock8949]

and the Persian Empire

[@muratozdemir7729]

You could also mention that the only surviving son of Cem, Murat, was converted to Christianity taking the name Pierre. Decades later, he was executed by Suleyman after the conquest of Rhodes even though he was Christian and posing no significant threat to throne. Turkish sources say that the son of Murat, Cem, was also executed but according to Christian sources, he had moved to Malta taking the name Nicola and lived there until his death in 1536. One of the grandchildren of Cem even married a member of the last Byzantine Dynasty.

[@nedim631]

I recommend reading "The damned yard" by the nobel prize winner Ivo Andric. It has a story about Cem sultan inside the main story.

[@ahmet-eo1zd]

Ivo andric is a hard nationalist he writes sided

[@look7236]

Truly great story!

[@look7236]

@@ahmet-eo1zd Wtf. Evidence?

[@milandrmr9497]

@@ahmet-eo1zd ??? Ah yes patriot=nationalist=chauvinist

[@ahmet-eo1zd]

@@look7236 just read his books you will understand

[@zulfiqarahmad588]

Bayezid offered to spend a peacefull life in Jerusalem then paying Night Hospitallers to keep him alive. Was nice man.

[@mustafasanane237]

Living is not optional when someone else sit on your throne. One way or another he is going to get killed, and he was know it.

[@95bekirable]

Not to keep kim alive, but to keep him imprisoned. Knights threatened with releasing the Cem, who would once again wage war against his brother. That's why Bayezid agreed to pay.

[@truthissacred]

This high quality map and graphic simply is amazing! Keep up bro!!

[@Kelmorcellus]

Absolutely stunning presentation and narration. This right here along with so much of everything your team has achieved puts to shame decades, maybe much longer supposed feats of historical learning from the public and even higher learning institutions. One can learn more about the feats of great names through K&G than an entire tenure in higher education Easy and do it in a life time, all through you and your team's hard work. May your quest go long and prosperous.

[@MontyRL]

Please never stop making videos. Don't know what I'll ever do without you guys.

[@braxtonfriday8713]

Died at 35 right when things were turning around? Yeah, seems like poison to me

[@khalidh442]

Life expectancy at that time was like 45

[@braxtonfriday8713]

@@khalidh442, that's mainly because infant mortality was super high. For people of royal status they could have a good chance to live into their 50's or 60's

[@Zulfi0198]

@@khalidh442 then you lickely havent heard of beyazid II grandson.. Suleiman the magnificent who was almost 72 when he died on the battlefield(of disease)

[@jorenvanderark3567]

@@khalidh442 Thanks to high child mortality, not generally shorter lives.

[@basartv5880]

Thank you very much for this topic. Didnt expect this from you guys. Not many know Cem and his sad destiny. They say, that Cem was very much like his father Mehmed the Conqueror, warlike, therefore burecrauts in Constantinople rather preferred Bayezid, than Cem.

[@gianlucaborg195]

Glad, as usual, to be among the first to watch these stunningly detailed graphics, hear this awesome music and sfx, and the awesome narration and well written script!

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks :-)

[@gianlucaborg195]

@@KingsandGenerals You are most welcome. Thank you for your time and energy to making these!

[@alioshax7797]

@@KingsandGenerals Are you making theses graphics yourself ? If so, wow, you're impressive. Good job anyway, your videos are always awesome.

[@omgbruhohhellnahmanwtfman9558]

@@alioshax7797 they have a whole team. This narrator devin just narrate

[@DamnedHistory]

These stories are beautiful of historical figures we didn't know existed. Thank you for this. A great video as always

[@OttomanHistoryHub]

Brillant video guys! Really loving these new animations. Keep it up!

[@phillipgathright8001]

Another fascinating chapter of world history that I knew next to nothing about. Thank you, K&Gs, for helping me through the quarantine with your beautiful and well-done videos.

[@KingsandGenerals]

Stay safe!

[@Blalack77]

That's cool that you're doing videos on the Ottoman Empire. I've been extremely interested in them lately. I've been finding they were a lot more diverse than I thought.

[@alexvlaxos6620]

Diverce in what way?

[@Blalack77]

@@alexvlaxos6620 Just like genetically and culturally. They were kind of at the crossroads of the world between the Middle East and Europe and not exactly like either.

[@alexvlaxos6620]

@@Blalack77 well yeah they are asiatic nomads,but also heavily mixed with Greeks,arabs and whoever else lived close !

[@Blalack77]

@@alexvlaxos6620 yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I find those kinds of places/people interesting - where multiple cultures converge.

[@BartmanGS]

Yes Kings and Generals give me more ottoman stuff while i chill in quarantine and play eu4 i love you guys

[@AlperenBAYRAM]

Amazing video with many details of history that are most of the time overlooked.

[@pyrrhus3445]

man you can't but sympathize what a hard life cem's lived

[@cihattekin562]

@Yung Prodigy yeah lol, ottomans were exactly what you would look for in a muslim, especially the conqueror himself

[@yusufekiz2275]

Thanks for the video. Cem Sultan is always a great story for Turkish people. Can you also made a video for the conflict of Selim I and his brothers which is the most challenging and interesting conflict between princes in my opinion.

[@positivelynegative3260]

I highly respect that you add proper subtitles to your videos. Thanks

[@muhammadadil5698]

what the beauty of this channel is, how they narrate a historic event without being biased. Great work guys

[@jamescrow2165]

Never been this early for a kings and generals video before!

[@sou713]

I read about this at least twice before, but never really felt as moved by Cem's story as this. Honestly great narrating.

[@kokoro2426]

I was waiting for Cem video, awesome!!

[@robertmosher7418]

Great video from a group of great people who created a very good channel. Thanks for all you do.

[@essidmedamine8130]

Damn , You just can't get bored with Ottoman history !!

[@hurguler]

“When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground.” -- Cersei from the GoT

[@zas3141]

Thank you for another great video as usual

[@benderbg]

What a video! Excellent job K&G.

[@climax050]

I love and am very much looking forward to more ottoman videos KnG! I think they're such a underrated empire and so very interesting in the way they did things, i suppose it could be because they are a blend of roman and muslim styles that really did lead to the "ultimate' empire!

[@AngidadGaming]

I love your editing kings and generals And your narration

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks!

[@simpletrailers1161]

@@KingsandGenerals can you guys share the source of hitting thr cradle? Me and bunch of people wondering about it in the comment section

[@hacerdemirel9833]

As always, super work. Thank you.

[@Schweissperle87]

What a journey and what beautiful way of telling it. Good job guys, thank you! This would be an awesome TV series though! Such an adventure

[@KingsandGenerals]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@MEmin670]

Görün gerdûn-ı dûnun himmetini Bu gurbetde Cem'i bîmâr kıldı one of his poetrys in homesickness, meaning: look, what the filthy time made made cem sick in exile

[@n.a.o.2475]

Arapça-farsça karışık olan bi dilde yazmışsın. Neden gerçek Türkçesini yazmadın. İngilizcesi bile daha anlaşılır.

[@n.a.o.2475]

@koksal ceylan osmnlı tarihteki en büyük türk düşmanıdır.

[@ravige1879]

@@n.a.o.2475 ne mal adamsin

[@josefstalin266]

@@n.a.o.2475 geri zekalısın ya o zaman Türkçe dili devlet dili değildir ki şu an bilir Türkçe Arapça ve Farsçada oluşuyor tek fark şimdi ırkçı. O zaman dinciyid

[@BALLARDTWIN]

This is just pathetically sad Imagine being the son of mehmed the conqueror and allowing yourself to be used like this... It seems like Beyazid was saddened by his death aswell despite all the conflict

[@yogi_gs]

Beyazid can pay the knight to kill cem But decide to pay money so his brother can still live

[@babursen1176]

Wonderful video, thanks Kings and Generals

[@drpk6514]

Fascinating story! Would make a amazing movie or an epic series

[@jeune_turc9404]

Will of a dying English Monarch; My son Wilbur shall take the throne as my 2nd son John shall be the lord of the Castle of Stanford and it’s surrounding villages as my 3rd son Alfred shall be the prince of... An Ottoman Monarch Dies; Dear sons, MAY THE BEST MAN WIN!

[@jalpat2272]

ya, but after all wacky things after war of roses and henry reigns then the four georges to victorian era until today it was rarely straight father to son line but jumbled drift between cousins that made a german house ruled british isle today.

[@mh-tw4kx]

Also england: War of the roses time

[@Sergitofilho]

tjx for the content, amazing job guys

[@rasaecnai]

Love the new map style Kings and General. Please keep this one. It has mountains in it...helps us visualize the terrain.

[@stevanusnewman]

damn the map at 2:16 got me for a sec there, I thought the land and the sea was the other way around!

[@amirashraf6422]

Yeah! What a weird Constantinople is that!

[@mr.o8539]

He Cems to be a great guy.

[@didnothingwrong7382]

He was a real cem

[@Zirtpirt070]

Hes name is cem but you pronounce it as jam

[@gameof7]

Excellent video, just as all the others. Great quality channel, well done!

[@minatodroger7890]

Once again an interesting historical figure i had little knowledge of. Kudos to you Kings and Generals

[@Monkey_SK]

What a fantastic video, by the end I thought Cem was in his 60's or something, not 35 given how much had happened. It also made me remember that Cem's character features in the Borgias and is poisoned if I remember correctly.

[@TheScopeGlint]

Is it weird that his death at the end actually saddened me? He was so close to his ambitions and it all slowly slipped away one last time.

[@uAozzie]

Your Ottoman Series are so good. Waiting for more

[@muratlokmanoglu]

Thanks for the great documentary. Rescpects.

[@DevilGiga]

Love these series on specific stories. Would you consider doing stories on south america? Like the war of the triple alliance or the war between chile and bolivia

[@C0wb0yBebop]

Man lived 3 lifetimes in those 35 years.

[@kittogashi8561]

Wow, this entire life-story is outrageous. Truly, truly, truly outrageous.

[@Paris-xv9sj]

Wow this new map is really good! Nice work! :)

[@RodolfoGaming]

Guy looks like he's lived 100 years at the twilight of his life! Especially funny for me cuz Cem means hundred in portuguese 👍🤣

[@tezcanuyank3446]

In turkish Portugal is "Portekiz" and because of that we called you "Portakal Milleti" Orange People(fruit not colour)

[@RodolfoGaming]

@@tezcanuyank3446 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣there's some funny translations for sure across the languages.

[@mohamedelhaddade6371]

@@tezcanuyank3446 lol we say portkiz when we talk about Portugal in Morocco hh

[@arjunsinha4015]

Nobody: Kings and Generals' owner in his funeral: This funeral is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends

[@emperorkaido8539]

great video as always

[@anilaltinn]

Hello, greetings from Istanbul. I very love your channel. You do great things. Good days...

[@byzantinetales]

At least he travelled a lot in his life!! :)

[@TheWolf-xe2kz]

Yes,so exciting,from one dungeon to another. . .

[@byzantinetales]

The Wolf I said that ironically :)

[@Euzuner41]

@@TheWolf-xe2kz sad:(

[@ahmarsaeed6085]

I was like oh poor old man died alone in misery and regret! “He was 35 years old” “Oh!”

[@pendragon3350]

2x Ouff

[@TIGIY]

Absolutely Love this historic story!!!

[@tanerbayramli3323]

Sad Story, Great Video 👍🏻

[@emrenuriyev9132]

When is the next Ottoman series?It has been 3 months since the last video of battle of lepanto

[@sapphyrus]

Cem’s stubborness on getting the throne and the ensuing struggle is one reason why Ottoman successions were secured with fratricides afterwards. Considering the alternative possibility of chaos, lives of princes were small sacrifices in the big picture. Still, a fixed method of succession would have been better.

[@dre038]

Great work full support

[@KC-de1ds]

Interesting episode, nice!