CentOS 8 End of Life - Are you Ready? My thoughts & Suggestions

[@bishopofeternity48]

Honestly, the breach of trust is probably the biggest issue here. I don't use servers, i just like your channel.

[@robertodhios]

My election is Rocky Linux, honestly Alma Linux could be my election too, but founder of CentOS is part of Rocky Linux and I feel more comfortable

[@riccardoblue2781]

The same guy who found and sold CentOS. What stopping him from doing it again?

[@joshzackeroff9220]

Almalinux is what I opted for, for both personal and production environments. CloudlLinux is it's parent company and they have tons of developers that work in a redhat environment. Also the last time I tested, Rocky didn't support UEFI, however that was months ago. Things may have changed by now. It was kind of a race. I had to do a "dirty upgrade" or an in place upgrade to CentOS 8 on my servers running CentOS 6 or 7 in order to migrate to Alma. Normally I wouldn't do something like this but the clock was ticking. Obviously a fresh install would be the wise decision. The Alma migration script is amazing. It did the job. Even on hypervisors. Absolutely zero problems. Thanks for the video!

[@streambarhoum4464]

Thanks Josh for the useful informations you provide in this reply. Believe me this the first time i feel confused for which persistant open redhat distro i should migrate for centos stream or alma or rocky... You spoke about alma, yet what is your opinion about centos stream or rocky?? why you have chosen alma and not COSstream or Rocky???

[@streambarhoum4464]

I read about someone in replies who said : " we moved to Rocky Linux by Gregory Kurtzer, original founder of CentOS project (the other was Rocky McGaugh, so the name of the new distribition). Just made backup images of our VMs, execute the convert script and voilà! We tested Alma Linux, process was the same and it was just fine too. At the end, we did go for the original founder and the community." what do you think of that too ?? in order pushing forward original open community.

[@guyboisvert66]

We moved to Rocky Linux by Gregory Kurtzer, original founder of CentOS project (the other was Rocky McGaugh, so the name of the new distribition). Just made backup images of our VMs, execute the convert script and voilà! We tested Alma Linux, process was the same and it was just fine too. At the end, we did go for the original founder and the community.

[@houserouterhouserouter5808]

So he can sell it again..

[@guyboisvert66]

@@houserouterhouserouter5808 From what i read, he's not supposed to be able to sell it and it has its own board. To be verified!

[@bobwong8268]

👍👍👍Thank You Jay for highlighting some possible options. Might be a little late for me to say this but just for keeping a record of thinking loud: 1) Break them into groups: a. Do nothing / normal migration sched b. Must migrate immediately c. Buy some time with extented patch 2) Seek out the target - all eggs into 1 basket again? Consider the Pros & Cons carefully & their appropreiateness according to situation. Just my 2cents back.

[@nevoyu]

CentOS stream isn't rolling in the traditional sense. It's no different than the debian stable model where you get point releases. It's not rolling like Arch, it's literally just RHEL Testing where Fedora is RHEL Unstable.

[@streambarhoum4464]

That's ok but Why you prefered COsStream than alma or rocky ???

[@FailsafeDX]

I like Centos Stream 9 because its upstream for RHEL 9. I don't mind living on the edge and I enjoy being able to use RHEL 9 before its out.

[@streambarhoum4464]

why not alma or rocky???

[@tigerfish66]

IBM owning redHat was always going to lead to this, what amazes me is that small startup companies would use CentOS when they are growing, then when they become established move to having support contracts with RHEL when their tech becomes ission critical, IBM dont get it do they.......great video again, thank you

[@ribbo1]

Classic IBM short term gain move.

[@familierest4073]

Thanks Jay! It helped us to upgrade our core corp servers. Our descision was to migrate to Rocky Linux.

[@003somnath]

I was addicted to CentOS for over a decade.. Now Debian is my most proffered OS

[@bkrich]

I would like to see video on converting CentOS8 to Alma and Rocky, using the scripts they provide. Maybe also configuring the tuxcare extended lifecycle support.

[@karsg88]

Rockylinux is great!

[@jeffherdzina6716]

I am a huge fan of CentOS and will miss it as my daily driver. I have been using Rocky Linux for the past few months. And it's really just like CentOS. But I still have to put blame where blame is due, and the greedy @#$$%$ at IBM. Therefor I refuse to use their live stream, because you never know what will happen in a few months ...to a few years.

[@citywitt3202]

Thank goodness I don’t have wracks yet, but immediately switched my plan to SUSE, given their near identical free and paid distros. Even the rolling one is rock solid.

[@guyboisvert66]

SUSE signed a deal with the Devil Micro$oft in 2006 (and extending it after in 2011), i converted all servers to CentOS and never trusted them again after that!

[@sitaroartworks]

@@guyboisvert66 but obviously, it's okay to use Rocky Linux or Alma, both backed by Microsoft Azure.

[@guyboisvert66]

@@sitaroartworks M$ has the right to support whatever they see fit on their cloud!! ;-)

[@DerOverLutz]

Actually a good video, but what I don't understand is why not at least openSUSE Leap is presented as another option? Especially since Leap 15.3 is binary compatible with SUSE Enterprise Linux and uses the same package format (RPM) and thus a migration to the business version would be possible without any problems?

[@msolace580]

Businesses went with centOS because it was backed by a bigger(at the time) group. Moving toward another community project that's smaller seems like a second unwise choice. Big enough businesses were already going to run something paid like RHEL, If your a smaller business and being on RHEL similar setup then you should choose oracle's but that also could disappear There is this distro that is always there, its called Debian, or pay money either in support or staff. But centos stream might be fine, its not unstable, its just 1 step from live RHEL, and smaller business can maybe handle that...

[@michaelc657]

I have only one machine so RedHat's "developer" license covered my use case fine. Can't blame anybody for wanting to try Alma, a bit more skeptical of Rocky since the founder hasn't been involved in Cent development for some time. But I use less than 16 servers so this didn't hurt me too bad.

[@alonzosmith6189]

Like the Edifier Speakers in the desk in the background

[@ecsciguy79]

Oracle Linux: You're in this situation because of an asshole corporation. So choose us, a different asshole corporation!

[@caldodge]

Thanks for the video. It would never have occurred to me to check Oracle Linux. For us, the good news is that xCAT knows about Oracle Linux, so installing it involved less pain than Rocky Linux (must modify /etc/os-release) or AlmaLinux (xCAT simply won't work with it, at present).

[@yetanothername1131]

I love CentOS, and it's been my favourite distro since at least 2009.. Time to move on, I think AlmaLinux sounds promising just wished they chose a better name.

[@emiliokennkierza260]

Besides branding, I think almalinux is the better choice than rocky linux. Almalinux has wider repositories all over the world and better documentations

[@theodiscusgaming3909]

lol what's wrong with the name?

[@carlson9094]

@@theodiscusgaming3909 Alma is the name of my maid. She is really helpful. Rocky is the name of my boss. He is really brilliant.

[@Ranblv]

Funny enough we have several centos 7 that will still be supported until 2024.

[@blindelectron]

The box that me and some friends run is currently running sentos seven we will switch to Ubuntu server once a product we use comes out with support for it

[@LampJustin]

3:11 no this is also not true. Centos Stream is not rolling!! Centos Stream is the UPstream of RHEL, so CentOS Stream 9, is the coming RHEL9. When that drops, CentOS Stream 10 will be the new version.

[@luit.s]

I tried oracle linux and it's really good

[@earthling_parth]

My manager just decided to use RHEL for all our existing CentOS servers.

[@TiagoJoaoSilva]

Red Hat HQ: _mission accomplished_

[@earthling_parth]

@@TiagoJoaoSilva yeah, I guess 😆

[@eddieoconnor4466]

Hey Jay!?....WHERE'D YOU GET THAT T-SHIRT!?...can you drop the link?...

[@f-s-r]

What's next? A screen that says "send bitcoin to us to migrate to RHEL and continue to access your data"? :P

[@DouggieDinosaur]

Is apache2 with a firewall not secure enough for websites? I can't imagine apache2 ending any more than html ending.

[@joseph9915]

How many system breaking security bugs have there been in CentOS in the last few years if you are just running a simple web/email server?

[@peterbreis5407]

Nah. Impossible. it's Linux!

[@guyboisvert66]

@@peterbreis5407 Just see CVE and other bug / vulnerability sites. So what do you recommend instead of Linux for web server facing internet? ;-)

[@donmichelangel0]

Bugs/CVEs with critical severity were actually always fixed by RHEL/CentOS, but after 6 years after of the initial release they stop to fix the more moderate/low severity bugs. So, speaking in terms of low/moderate security issues there probably will be alot of them in RHEL/CentOS.

[@thomask3222]

Could someone help me out, I am using CentOS7 and I’m trying to find hard links to files in my home directory by using the find command. It would be greatly appreciated. I am really stumped on this one, I am a new user. TIA

[@LampJustin]

2:44 that's unfortunately not entirely true, the project never gave out any plans on support. The support window often referenced on their site was actually posted by a person out of the community 🤦‍♂️

[@davidg4512]

Thumbnail on point.

[@parthmaniar]

I'd like to ask two questions to the community: 1. Why isn't Ubuntu as popular as RHEL? 2. How difficult would it be to move from RHEL to Ubuntu Server? Thank you.

[@houserouterhouserouter5808]

Ubuntu is trash, data gathering bloated trash and is not server worthy, I had 2 ubuntu servers in 2020, they were so unstable I had to wipe shit up and go to debian even tho debian is ubuntu base it is still not as good or stable as debian because of its added shit and yeah, it used much more memory on fresh start than debian so yeah. Ubuntu = trash

[@nessenj]

what are the two laptops on your desk? look like lenovo

[@hermanstrom3948]

Rocky Linux.

[@dbtech4562]

If you need that distribution, Oracle Linux is a good option.

[@anirangoncalvesbr]

I guess everyone is forgetting that RedHat is owned by.... IBM. And the influence RedHat has over CentOS.

[@theatheistattitude]

Isn't fedora server basically blue red hat?

[@mybrood]

how about miracle Linux distribution

[@jeremyjedynak]

Would be great if you could do a Part 2 of this video to share your thoughts on Ubuntu and Debian.

[@subjectalx]

We had a few CentOS servers at my job and finally we put everything in Debian. While Debian is rock solid dependencies are sometimes hard to manage and the migration process wasn't straightforward, but since the applications were built in house we just reinstall from scratch, and everything seems to work fine.

[@tigerfish66]

I would move to Rocky linux given the involvement Gregory Kurtzer, founder of the CentOS project originally

[@ianperkins8812]

Yeah, as a user of Centos for over 15 years, I was not happy. I ended up ditching it for Debian/Ubuntu. I hope Rocky and Alma Linux and all others have great success, but RH screwed the pooch, as far as I am concerned. I'm done.

[@cameronbosch1213]

IBM Hat.

[@minigpracing3068]

Still feels like Open Solaris all over again! I only have a few things, and all of them were in my lab, now they are all Debian or Ubuntu. I hadn't heard of Alma, but had heard of Rocky.

[@celestialbeing4767]

Alpine linux is it viable?

[@kc8pdr]

you for got about opensuse leap

[@Rmly]

I'm using Debian / Ubuntu for my servers :D

[@ayan.debnath]

I am badly stuked with CentOS 7 with CWP Control-panel with multiple websites....

[@rolandjosef7961]

I checked RHEL Support pricing. They can be expensive for small business.

[@caldodge]

We were going to try Alma Linux, but it wasn't compatible with xCAT, which we use for cluster management. We ended up using Rocky Linux.

[@grenin1010]

Such a massive broken promise cutting the support 8 years short. Do they expect anybody to give them money after they broke a promise like this?

[@SkyFly19853]

What about Ubuntu and Debian Servers? Aren't they useful as much as Cent OS?

[@MikeJones-en6xk]

If you want a stable server then debian is worthy .... ubuntu

[@SkyFly19853]

@@MikeJones-en6xk You mean Debian is more stable than Ubuntu?... Hmmm...

[@Zephyrus0]

@@SkyFly19853 always have been, but it's technically not safe as dnf based distros. I'm personally on Rocky Linux team.

[@SkyFly19853]

@@Zephyrus0 Oh, I see... 🤔

[@Zephyrus0]

@@SkyFly19853 I'm not saying that debian based distros have malware or stuff, but everyone knows about debian and updates, that's why I would rather not recommended it. Btw debian-sid (aka debian unstable) is pretty good as a daily driver. :]

[@YanFei-zi7mm]

Thanks

[@tedmiles2461]

Thanks for reminding me I need to migrate my nextcloud to something else.

[@tedmiles2461]

I'll probably move to fedora server

[@LampJustin]

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this: I don't get the hate and furious comments about Centos ending the support and everything. Don't get me wrong RedHat and the CentOS project handled the announcement really poorly. But tbh the enterprise distro landscape has never been better! We now have to much more choice and a really big community around it. I don't understand how any big company could build their whole infrastructure around an OS that has had single digit number of maintainers around the last couple of years without having any sort of support contracts. It's nonsensical every company pays humongous amounts of money to Microsoft for Windows server and AD as well as user cals and they are not willing to pay for any support??? If you're not able to or whatever, you should at least don't count on it to be there forever especially when there are really not a lot of maintainers working on the project. That's it rant over XD

[@LampJustin]

@David Smyth no I wasn't really trying to get Jays opinion on that, rather the viewers. That's a lot more interesting! That's fair RHEL is pretty expensive and yes rh really gave the community the middle finger by not giving the users opportunities to convert to RHEL from the start and by ending support for Centos this quick.

[@RoadRunner1980]

My cat actually used my laptop while I was watching this. I guess he doesn't like you very much because he paused the video ;-)

[@alphenit]

And you felt the need to share this why?

[@RoadRunner1980]

@@alphenit And you didn't watch the video till the end why?

[@alphenit]

@@RoadRunner1980 I did, probably not the same sense of humor

[@houserouterhouserouter5808]

Me who used debian for years and years: "Oh no, anyway"

[@eddieoconnor4466]

Four words: Rocky Linux / Alma Linux. Period.

[@Tatar_Piano]

I think industry favorite is debian not cent os

[@brierepooc8987]

Cent OS stream aka Windows 10 concept

[@jonnypeace2810]

not long user of centos8, might as well wipe that vm...

[@keyboard_g]

Or switch to actual RHEL, which is what they would like people to do.

[@Mr.Leeroy]

I am not going to miss distro that was default must-have for like every VPS provider under the sun and then got so fat in its 8th major release that it could not even install on 512Mb RAM VM.

[@joshuapk9808]

You're right, the installer won't run in anything less than 1GB, but you can always reduce the memory footprint back down to half a gig after it's installed.

[@Mr.Leeroy]

@@joshuapk9808 I am paying less than I should to my VPS provider to be able to do just that, but it is still plenty enough for my use case with debian. I mean admins did go through an effort to make an installed CentOS 8 template for new instances, but the fact that it was installed by 3rd party and that it has to be that way in the first place is ridiculous to me.

[@streambarhoum4464]

Yet you didn't speak about your personal choice ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 🙃🤔

[@jasonking1284]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If your CentOS is doing every thing you are asking of it, leave it the fuck alone....

[@djdrastic1]

Ubuntu LTS goes BRRRRRRRRRT

[@joshuapk9808]

If Ubuntu LTS didn't break a hundred packages with each new release it might be a viable option...

[@rauli386]

I will just leave my server without updates for some months, no big deal

[@cip7495]

AWESOME

[@praecorloth]

RHEL/CentOS: The operating system of choice for people who like 10 year old kernels. So yeah, I'm ready for CentOS to die. Can RHEL be next? I mean, maybe not die off completely, but maybe move away from a support model that helps people hunker down in ancient technology from yesteryear?

[@Rouhalla]

if you operate for money then just stick to Redhat.

[@carlson9094]

Go Red Hat

[@marcosoliveira8731]

I´ll migrate my cliennts to Debian.

[@joshuapk9808]

It'll be a lot easier to migrate them to Rocky, and you'll get just as much support...

[@marcosoliveira8731]

@@joshuapk9808 Thank you Joshua. I´ll consider your opinion and put some tests to run on it.

[@byrongilbert3720]

Why not Ubuntu server?

[@joshuapk9808]

Not stable enough. kzbin.info/www/bejne/np-Qf4eel7RsndE

[@ws_stelzi79]

Man suggesting Oracle Linux as a replacement for CentOS is -- a bit -- "brave"! When you love the "fun" of never knowing when Oracle is suing you when they want a piece of the pie ... Just ask Google how that goes with Oracle. 🤕🥵

[@Tatar_Piano]

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[@SoLDMG]

FreeBSD and/or Rocky Linux. It’s that simple.