Cersei Lannister's Nightmare is Not What She thinks!! | Game of Thrones Season 8 Theory

[@xenodaemon]

you didn't mention the missing tongue of Cersei in the nightmare, and Euron's favorite thing, removing tongues.

[@GrayArea]

xenodaemon good catch. Excellent catch actually!!!

[@focast1825]

This makes the already strong theory even more convincing. I think who kills Cersei is settled.

[@T00THY_0RiFiCE]

classic Euron

[@TheTam0613]

This is why I believed it would be Euron all along. Because in Cersei's dream, she has no tongue. She can't cry out because she's been "silenced"...The Silence, cutting out the tongues of his crew, Mr. Euron Greyjoy, psychopath and one of the Drowned.

[@rebeccamd7903]

xenodaemon I always thought it would be him to. If he can kill his brother, Cersei is nothing to him but a stepping stone to power.

[@nexis1293]

Did you notice cercei face when she saw Dany for the first time in the dragon pit, cercei was pissed when see saw how beautiful Daenerys was. She could barely control her anger

[@amethystempressreborn3867]

Nexis 1 Dan and Dave spoke about the making of the dragon pit scene, they said the same thing. Cercei was angry after seeing how beautiful Dany was, this adds to the evidence that she is in fact the one to take everything cercei holds dear

[@AnnafromHungarylvNW]

That just means she thinks it was going to be her.

[@yousurf374]

naaaahhhhh, I think she caught a glimpse of the actor who plays Bronn of to the side. The producer/director out him there to get her to look really pisssssssed. !!!!!! LOL

[@ollythompson7079]

I have always had a suspicion that the reason the whole "little brother" thing was missed out on the shows could be because the showrunners want to change her ending....or at least wanted to keep the door open to doing so at the time. If I were GRRM I would want the show to finish differently to the books.......imagine how much impact that would have on booksales.......that the book series ends in a different way.....a "real" way kind of.....it would put book sales through the roof whereas having the show as basically a "spoiler" may well reduce them.....this said the show has already had a massive positive impact on book sales so maybe they will both end the same. But if they were to differ I would say it would be in major character deaths as opposed to entire plotlines....... Anyway just a thought....why else would they leave that part of the prophecy out of the show when it is so important?

[@lilyvalley5389]

Yup prettier, younger, and the life she wanted riding dragons with her handsome prince like Rahgar.

[@TheRealLavallee]

I also thought euron. 1) drowned 2) wrap his hands-every time I heard this I pictured the kraken with its long tendrils wrapping around Cersei’s throat. 2) valanquar-there’s even a point on the bridge where euron makes it a point to say “haven’t I always, big brother”. I think they were pointing us in the direction. 3) when I was younger I wanted to grow up and marry the most beautiful woman in the world- there are too many references to dany being the most beautiful. It can’t be Cersei. 4) it was always eurons idea to go to dany first. I think he still plans to go to her but he will bring her a gift-the fastest way to a woman’s heart is with a priceless gift-and that gift will be Cersei’s head. Ps. I love how they made Cersei’s gowns in s.7 with high, structured, necklines and hardware. Paranoid much?

[@GrayArea]

Jennifer lavallee excellent!!! y’all are killing it with the Euron = Valonqar references

[@TheRealLavallee]

GrayArea there’s just so many subtle ones throughout that point to euron. It’s a fun little hunting game trying to find them; it’s fascinating.

[@jessielawrence3349]

Cersei’s wardrobe season seven was on another level. I was in love with all of the outfits, all while loving to hate her character!

[@pietrayday9915]

I think it's also notable that every scheme Cersei has come up with, pretty much as far back as the moment she heard the prophecy, has backfired horribly because Cersei has misinterpreted everything she comes in contact with. Now that she has lost almost everything she thinks is dear to her and has been driven to play at suitor against her nature to keep what she has left, it would be symmetrical for her schemes with (and against) Euron to backfire badly enough to take everything else she holds dear and lead to the prophecy's true fulfillment. So, I think Euron is a good call for the valonqar.

[@liamsmith331]

Although, euron was never on the bridge in the books and the part of the prophecy about the valanqar was only mentioned in the books

[@robbin2755]

If Jami died in battle Arya could use his face to get in and kill Cerci. With that complete the prophecy

[@stonerbaby895]

That would be amazing!!

[@ryanrodriguezmartinez]

the thing is do you really think Arya would strangle Cersie, if it's Arya that will kill Cersie... I reckon she'll do a lot worse than that, after all Arya hates Cersie and blamed her for her fathers beheading

[@danacorchin3742]

At the end of season 7 Jamie covered his golden hand with a glove so the witch may not have known he was one-handed if he was wearing both the gloves when he strangles her.

[@edwardmanues6337]

This is what I believe will happen Jamie after saving bran dies in briennes arms sansa knowing Arya is a faceless man tells Arya she can use Jamie's face to get close to Cersi. In my opinion arts is more beautiful than cersi. But the prophecy would be 100% true Arya being more beautiful being a little sister while wearing Jamie's face cersi's little brother. That's also why valingar is used instead of little brother or sister because a more beautiful little sister will be wearing a little brothers face. Also giving Jamie 2 hands again since it will be Arya yo cover the hand she will just wear a glove that's why we got the final shot in season 7 of Jamie slipping on a glove over his golden hand

[@marijkecuffe5488]

I know it doesn't really change anything, but I still don't believe Maggy actually told Cercei's future. I think she cursed Cercei through blood magic. She "sampled" (tasted) her blood to potentially curse her, Cercei sealed her fate when she threw the potion in the old woman's face.

[@olayemiidowu5499]

Marijke Cuffe I have always thought this

[@marijkecuffe5488]

Arikm7 She'll most certainly be back, but I don't think she'll have any part in killing Cercei. She's there to help defeat the 'great other', she on the front lines of what she considers the ultimate holy war and Cercei is of little consequence in that. The only reason she assisted in killing Renly is because at that time she believed that Stanis was the savior and Renly posed an immediate and credible threat to her savior's life. As far as magic goes in ASOIAF it doesn't seem to be light/good or dark/evil . Magic is just magic, ultimately what makes magic good or bad seems to be the intent of the wielder and the ultimate results.

[@pietrayday9915]

It certainly looks more like a curse than a prophecy to me! Note that the one character of the three to flee before the witch said "begone" a third time ended up with a happy ending - the two who insisted on staying ended up having everything go catastrophically wrong, with the least persistent of the two only dying, and the most rudely persistent of the two getting the worst of the "prophecy".

[@lisa-sz8jj]

I think she will be back to resurrect someone else and Jon will have to keep his word and execute her as he said he would if she returned when he banished her

[@ricnosky]

Gray can you please do audio book readings of the song of ice and fire books pleeease! I will pay!... love ya work...

[@ladiiijaguar19]

Her voice is perfect 😍

[@ldlillyful]

Great story teller !!!

[@paulsoltau9121]

"So here I am... with a thousand ships... AND TWO GOOD HANDS" to rap around your neck. Great point

[@Karrikln1671]

I'm about 95% convinced the Valonquar is Euron; I suspect the last 5% is more wishing it were Jamie than believing it will be Jamie. 100% percent think Cersei will outlast the Others and be the final antagonist they must defeat.

[@musspuss]

Karri Neves Same I just made a very similar comments, I would love it to be Jamie, but Ive been thinking euron for about 6 months now.

[@jfraserfisher]

What if Dany takes Cersei prisoner and sentences her to death, but Jamie can't stand the thought of her been publicly executed, but he can't set her free either, so he visits her in the cells and strangles her to avoid her final public humiliation and he then commits suicide to die together, as Dany and Jon can't just let him get away with it. They also said they came into the world together and want to leave it together. Bittersweet? Cersei dying = great but Jamie = sad.

[@abbashemyaza1244]

Jo Fisher Perfection..

[@YoshiReigns]

Jo Fisher love this

[@themutualfriend5286]

You're a Romeo and Juliet fan aren't ya? 🤣

[@hellomd5046]

I hope this doesn't happen! Cersei has treated Jaime terribly. I HATE the thought of him sacrificing himself for her. I want to feel he has moved on and can be happy.

[@MartinsGarage97]

That would be great, but it's confirmed Jamie is only in four episodes and it seem kings landing is in the end. But four episodes doesn't necessarily mean in a row and spread out instead. Hope so, love your theory!

[@elsastark2351]

Another brilliant theory video! I love your work. Oh and that reading you did of Maggy the Frog just brilliant! Thanks for your efforts, I thoroughly enjoy and look forward to your videos.

[@deathshadow1076]

It's interesting, Dany has taken casterlyrock away from cercei, tyrion joined Dany to add insult to injury, Jamie is joining up next season too LOL. All that cercei has left is her love for power, that will be the last thing Dany takes. Please let it be Jamie please !!!!!!

[@biancafunk5661]

It would cool in season 8 if they went back cersei's flashback or maybe have maggy the frog's voice finishing the prophecy while euron is choking her out.

[@therealottawasteph]

On the show, Maggy could be the twin sister of Jaqen H'ghar. Spitting image.

[@seanmcguire7974]

Stephanie what app,did you use for,that pic for your profile??

[@therealottawasteph]

Sean McGuire, I can't remember. It was ages ago.

[@seanmcguire7974]

Ok,just wondering cause,I've always seen people,with them n the,question just popped in my mind. Lol

[@therealottawasteph]

Many games allow you to customize an avatar to look like you. Happy hunting!

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

But Jaqen doesn't have magic powers, I don't think. It's all tricks and skills.

[@jawjagrrl]

Nailed it. As if the books were indicator enough, the portrayal of Euron in season 7 sealed it for me. I thought earlier that Jamie dies trying to save her, since they have foreshadowed dying together, but less sure now. Great job formulating a solid argument around what I see as the outcome. ...mark My words here! Yara has no tongue - she never spoke once she was captured. She and Theon will both be broken things that perservere.

[@Stoney_Snark]

Your readings and analysis are great Gray! It so happens I was watching this episode earlier this week. The material from the books make it so much richer! I have the books on tape, but only can listen about a half hour at a time. I will get the books for my iPad eventually, but not until you start watching Breaking Bad!!

[@GrayArea]

Randy Suyematsu Haahaaa I plan on watching breaking bad pretty soon actually!

[@demecabenford4256]

Superb breakdown, as always. You are the one KZbinr that I honestly get ecstatic about getting alerted that you have uploaded new content!

[@TheAstroWitchLux]

Jaime doesn't have hands, but he could wrap a chain of hands around her throat like Tyrion did to Shae...

[@danacorchin3742]

My theory is that when Jamie was leaving Cersei at the end of season 7 he put a glove over his Golden Hand the witch might not have known that he was one-handed because he had two gloves on.

[@juliant]

the valanqar choking cersei with hands around the neck...could be Tyrion, he literally choked shae using a necklace composed of golden hand-shaped segments. and he is the hand to Daenerys. if we see cersei wearing that chain in season 8, shes likely to be strangled with it.

[@trinitychambers8123]

i think it will be brienne to cast down cersie. jaime and her have a connection, and has even defied cersie now after brienne pointed out what the right thing to do was. brienne has often been jokingly called beauty as a joke, but Jaime seems to have genuine interest in her. I would love for brienne to be the one to take what's left that she holds dear.. Jaime. and cast her down. shes big enough to kill her even. and it would be a beautiful ending for her to be a queenslayer, and Jaime a kingslayer.

[@franziskafinefein]

if I remember correctly Brienne is an only child, therefore not likely to kill Cercei. also, strangling people isn't Brienne*s style - no honour in it. But I like the rest of your reasoning and would love to see Brienne rule Westeros in the end.

[@TheTam0613]

I 100% agree with you Grey. I've always thought it's Euron, due to the dropped hints within the actual prophesy and in her dream (book) she has no tongue and has been "silenced". Although I firmly believe GRRM has written it to be Euron, I do wonder if fan service will change it in the show. I even wonder why they left that part of the prophesy out of the show when they clearly showed the scene from Cersei's childhood. I hope it's not completely cut out from the show. Awesome video, as always, Myssa of the Sweet Summer Juice ❤

[@MariaSCarr]

Only 15 minutes in, but now I am wondering if Maggy the frog is just a young Mirri Maz Duur, who is a Magi trained by Marwyn the Mage when he traveled to Essos.

[@whereuwannabe7796]

Maggie the frog is an old woman.

[@femsff7090]

@@whereuwannabe7796 So is Melisandre when she's not wearing her choker...

[@dilwynroberts2293]

Agree...

[@nathanczochara1576]

I think the valonqar is the hound... Since the Mountain is her bodyguard, and the Hound is the Mountain's little brother. Clegeane bowl goes down... Hound wins. Kills Cersi.

[@nathanczochara1576]

Just thinking about why would the Hound kill Cersei. Just being an evil twat isn't enough. I'm thinking the death of Sansa or Arya through Cersei (a la the Golden Company) and her betrayal will set Sandor over the edge much like how the bandits killed the religious troupe. So still think the Hound will kill Cersei but will be at the cost one of Stark daughters.

[@PaulStargasm]

Isn't the valonqar a younger sibling though? Which is why on a similar theme I've thought it would be the mountain who kills her, controlled by the night king.

[@coreystephens1418]

Paul Stargasm The hound is the younger sibling.

[@PaulStargasm]

Corey Stephens really? You wouldn't get that from the show.

[@coreystephens1418]

Littlefinger says it when hes telling Sansa the story of how the hounds face got burnt, in Season 1 at the jousting tournament.

[@JF-gf1mv]

You read that excerpt really well

[@barreloffun10]

I've been saying Euron is the valonqar ever since I read the Forsaken sample chapter. I think he will kill Cersei for the power in her queen's blood, in his quest to accumulate enough power to cross a threshold and become a god. He is this age's Night's King, I believe.

[@daphnemitchell-wright8129]

Joe Blow As someone else brilliantly pointed out, Euron raised both his hands in that scene of him in front of the Iron Throne...taking about having 2 good hands. It was eerily similar to how the NK raised his arms and raised the dead at Hardhome. Very unusual.

[@bellarichards7753]

That younger and more beautiful queen is coming for that throne cercei, big mistake betraying Dany and Jon last season. I want to see drogon eat cercei in the throne room, that throne belongs to the Targaryens

[@c.t.651]

Bella Richards That sounds like a great end.

[@nexis1293]

Bella Richards Yes I'm convinced Dany gets the throne in the end too, cants see her dragons making it tho 😖

[@amethystempressreborn3867]

Bella Richards Yes !!!!!!!!!. That throne belongs to Daenerys Targaryen.

[@bellarichards7753]

Alpha Wolf Yes correct, technically there isn't an heir to the iron throne, because gendry is not legit. But considering that the targs have ruled westroes for 300 years I think that family would have a rather strong claim. Robert always fear Dany and house Targaryen even when they had nothing.

[@druid84115]

That's why I think it could be possible they fight Cersei in episode 3 and the Nightking in episode 5. It would be boring to off the Walkers in episode 3.

[@athenas_atheneum]

In light of this video, I propose there is a little brother left out of this scenario. The Hound. I personally feel it would be poetic and tie things up nicely if Arya and the Hound teamed up and finish each other's list. Arya against the Mountain. The Hound against Cersi. That, would be so much better than Euron. I hope Theon, kills him right off and frees his sister. Yara Queen of the Iron Islands. 👍

[@lisa-sz8jj]

Athena Latrell theon? Really lol. Maybe he's manning up again who knows but that would be too soft an ending for asoiaf 😂😢

[@alyssaw750]

I love the idea of Arya killing the zombie Mountain. Since he's so large and she'd sneak up on him since she's small. It could be done simultaneously, the killings of the Mountain and Cersei. I do think Arya would really love to do it herself though, but maybe those would be good enough exchanges and Arya can like spit on Cersei before she dies or something lol.

[@pietrayday9915]

I'm not sure whether it will go that direction, but there's something kind of appealing about it to me: I rather enjoyed the way that Arya and the Hound had begun working together and showing some humanity and vulnerability to each other. Sandor Clegayne has become one of my favorite characters on the show, along with Brienne of Tarth - I think I could enjoy seeing some "Big Damned Hero" moments and possibly a happy ending for both of them, and I don't think that I'd object to seeing it work out to a happy ending for Arya at the same time (I'm not into the whole "'shipping" thing, but, with just a little further character development, wouldn't the three of them have made an interesting surrogate family for each other? I might be kind of crazy, though. Still, it seems like GRRM might be lining up at least something between Sandor and Brienne, and also perhaps something between Arya and Gendry, while Sandor and Brienne seem like two of the only non-Stark characters who might possibly have Arya's best interests at heart....) I also like the way that Theon - and, for that matter, Jaime - have become much more relatable characters after facing their respective hardships, and could enjoy seeing things work out well for those characters as well. That said, the series seems to me to thrive far more on serious character flaws driving characters to ironic dooms they had blinded themselves to seeing coming, than it does on characters overcoming their limitations and living "happily ever after". From that perspective, it might prove more satisfying for these characters to get what they want, beyond their worst nightmares. Arya in particular, in her single-minded quest for vengeance, seems like one of those inflexible characters that the story seems to delight in helping to their self-destruction. So, it's a tough call, but a part of me does find your idea appealing!

[@gisapenguin2458]

interesting theory you brought up here. never even thought euron could be the valonqar since i always thought it would be jamie! it’s crazy how much you can analyze stuff.

[@ggasasu]

I just recently subscribed and I love your videos! I get so excited every time you update!! Thank you for making awesome videos to get us through the long night. 😊😊

[@GrayArea]

Thank you!!! Welcome to the Sweet summer squad wolf pack!!

[@tristanyork9120]

Raphaella Gasasu yes gray is a wonderful KZbinr balanced and not bias, love the fact that she is a big fan of Jamie lannister, not all are

[@calikal1968]

Gray, another brilliant vid and theory... you keep bringing us what ,I personally think, are the best theories on the fandom! Thanks for keeping us warm in this long and cold night!❤️

[@VondaInWonderland]

🎉70,000🎉 Congratulations 🎉 I love listening to you read to us, it feels so real. Great evidence, I'm guessing that you're right on track ♥

[@GrayArea]

VonDa in Wonderland Thanks boo

[@olayemiidowu5499]

I still think it's Jaime. Yes you have mentioned Every little person (intended) but who does she really call little brother. She calls tyrion little because well he is little but sometimes she does let Jaime know that she is older. I think it is who she considers family. And in season 7 when they show the Jamie and cercei First scene . They stood on a map. Cersei stood at the part of the map known as the neck and Jaime on the part known as the fingers. Just saying tho

[@mlareine327]

Adeola Idowu I agree; and strangulation is a very personal method and often a crime of passion.

[@olayemiidowu5499]

Arikm7 Why will Arya kill Jamie.

[@azzopardi7588]

Adeola Idowu he tried to kill Bran, paralyzed him. First episode... full circle.

[@hectordelgado4409]

Jamie doesn't have "hands" he has one hand...

[@iamad2418]

He can't choke her lol

[@lyannabanna6917]

I've thought all along that Euron would kill Cercei! As you pointed out, Maggie said *the* valonqar, not *your* valonqar. Besides your excellent evidence, it makes sense that after they are married, he will have the perfect opportunity: "private time" with her (The Mountain gets time off). What creeps me out is that in the scene where he brags about his "two good hands," he mimics the gesture of the NK when he raised Hardhome victims. BTW, GRRM may have written the word valonqar in High Valyrian to confuse us with gender-neutral possibilities.

[@daphnemitchell-wright8129]

Lyannabanna Great observation about Euron raising his arms like the NK. Spooky!

[@daphnemitchum2884]

Very good theory! certainly plausible! Thank you for making my night! 😁

[@auntcatziegler3791]

Is Varys a little brother? Is he from Valyria too? Euron is more likely to kill Cersei than Varys, but Cersei would definitely underestimate the spider.

[@franziskafinefein]

I like this idea a lot! Varys would of course not choke her with his actual hands but rather give her the choker - so she would still choke by his hands . and remember "Poison is a [womans and] eunuchs weapon.His little birds could administer the deed, and he has reasons enough ... revenge on behalf of the whole realm.

[@ValCronin]

I would love to see Varys physically fight someone, as it would be so out of character that it would stand out and be memorable.

[@alystairmabloch401]

Danaerys already has taken one thing Cercei holds dear... Jaime. He's left C to join forces with D.

[@molson9059]

Theon is often referred to as “little brother” as well. That said Euron definitely fits the description as well. The whole Vallenquar thing could just be because she was from Essos.

[@darkstar1650]

Eldrik Stone I think Cerscie's death is being foreshadowed too much, may her not dying is part of the bitter sweet ending

[@molson9059]

William Ciorciari you could be right since we don’t even get this part of the prophecy in the show.

[@musspuss]

That was magnificent again gray, 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏. I would love it to be Jamie also, but like yourself I'm leaning towards euron these days

[@storyisqueen]

In my humble opinion you are only half right. If Euron kills Cersei after the Night King is destroyed (which is very possible) he becomes the last villain the heroes have to destroy. Also Cersei has yet to wrong him in any way. It won’t feel like any form of justice if another villain kills her. This story is way beyond making us feel sorry for Cersei, which is how we’d feel if Cersei was killed by Euron. Lastly, the tragedy of Cersei’s character is that she’s responsible for her own downfall. However, this takes the responsibility from her over to Euron. In my opinion it will be a lot impactful if a character who she hurt in a direct way is the one to kill her.

[@faminzhorse5728]

Nadia S B euros wants to kill Cersi to give as a gift to danerys so he can marry the queen. Cersi will be a wedding gift to the most beautiful woman in the world.

[@logansmith2703]

Euron is definitely one of the front-runners for being valonqar.

[@Midgert89]

Alot of people tend to ignore some very basic facts of linguistics when they speculate about "Valonquar" When it comes to a given language, not all terms have to be gender neutral just because a language feature that type of morphology or whatever. Just because whatever titular noun was mistranslated as prince is an ungendered version of it doesnt mean there arent gendered versions of it, or that it applies to all family nouns in high valyrian. We have words like Silbling (gender neutral noun) then brother/sister (gendered) etc in English. Then there's morphologically gendered words like Heir/Heiress, Hero/Heroine etc. We use the old masculine terms as gender neutral most of the time. Also, grammatical gender is not the same as gender in the social/biological sense. In Swedish we have the grammatical genders of Common and Neuter, german has Masculine and Femenine alongside Neuter. Hero and Heroine in Swedish both have the same gender gramatically, but they are morphologically different because they refer to different biological sexes. That said im pretty sure Missandei was referring to biological sex and not grammatical gender.

[@hollycooper7177]

I think this is spot on. I wonder why they didn't have the whole dream in the TV version...I also picked up her comments about not having a tongue in the dream, although that may just represent her not being able to speak because she was dreaming. Anyway...I immediately thought of Euron cutting out her tongue before killing her.

[@loyneely6472]

thanx so much for taking the time to make these videos! u have such a lovely speaking voice!!

[@aaliyahneal6270]

While I see the possibility of it being Euron, and I wish it would be Arya wearing a Jamie face and do it like she did Walder Frey, it *technically* still could be Jamie. Someone could make him another hand that’s perfectly shaped to wrap around her throat. Hell, *he* could make it himself expressly for that purpose.

[@rachelr4126]

When you said Euron I thought "ugh, really?" And then within about two sentences you'd convinced me. Really interesting, solid points, and with the way the show's been pushing his interest and their dynamic I could really see him killing her in some kind of rage once she'd lost all her power, thus losing him his shot at the throne.

[@matthewbowman487]

Simply because Jaime doesn't have two hands doesn't mean he should be ruled out. He has a prostetic hand that he could manipulate to still choke the life out of someone. Obviously he has become disgusted with what Cersei has become in both the books and the show. Cersei is beginning to show signs similar to that of the Mad King, who Jaime killed. I think it's still entirely possible that Jaime will be the one to kill Cersei.

[@dr.lecter8818]

What an incredible video, I love it. I thought halfway through you were implying it would be Sandor Clegane, but when you talked about Theon’s uncle doing it, it all clicked.

[@Fatima-ui1eb]

I have heard all kinds of opinions on who the valonqar prophesy but noone has said Jon Snow..but last season he was heavily described as "little" or "small" which confused us all. What if Jon Snow is actually the one who will kill Cersai.

[@gryffinclaw]

Maybe because Jon Snow is also a little brother. He is Rhaegar's youngest child and Rhaenys and Aegon's little brother.

[@kennethnaylor5602]

The part you said about the drowned god. Convinced me you were right. Love the videos. Thank you. It’s going to long summer

[@maireadford198]

Love your videos. Thank you for seeing me thru... I have been thinking Brienne the Beauty will take all that Cersei holds dear; she has the service of Pod Payne, she has the love of Jaime, and I believe in the last season she will get Sandor Cleganes loyalty as well. The Payne and Cleganes have historically been sworn to the Lannisters.

[@corneliaechzeller8042]

I fully agree with Euron, being the valonqar - I already thought that for a good while. However I wished it will be Jon. Euron would strangle her for power and because he is a mad man. For Jon it would be more like an execution after all the Lannisters - and particularly Cersei - did to his real siblings, the members of his foster family and the people he loves. He would be able to choke her - just think of him getting outraged when beating up Ramsay.... And I would pretty much enjoy it, because it would feel like justice, while Euron just is ...... - well: another idiot.

[@sunshineroth9605]

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[@luvprue1]

I thought it was Jamie, until you pointed it out that Jamie didn't have hands. 😳

[@Loonaticx]

Oh my 7. Will you Skype me stories at night? You sounded wonderful in your narration, honestly entrancing. Damn, I hope whoever you're with or will be with appreciates you. Cause damn. 🍷🍺🍻

[@drlaloblancor3789]

Very solid theory in deed... and I love your reading! That’s why you definitely are my favorite youtuber. Thanks for sharing!

[@71ernz]

The way you do your videos and the way you come across is absolutely fantastic, when you switch to ‘reading voice’ it actually feels like you take me into the story, it gives me goosebumps, very gifted indeed, love your videos, keep up the great work.

[@madsk946]

Absolutely love the video Gray!! You're content and research hit the nail right on the head for sure, so please keep them coming bcuz you are definitely making this long nigh that much more bearable!! Happy Mothers Day to all you mothers out there!!!

[@jayb-wickorsnow5956]

I swear your the only person thats ever kept me awake during a book narration! Your vids are sickkkkk 🙄🤔😏

[@samzaiger5902]

Another AMAZING set Gray! Way to go on that analysis! Love this whole Dream set! Very educating and enlightening! Thank you!

[@paulchambers8135]

The Valonqar is Jaime. For reasons being that it will be most powerful in the context of the story. Surprised that Tyrion is ruled out for story reasons, but Jaime discounted even though he has the strongest claim based on story - it would fit both his and Cersei's story arc (it isn't simply about Cersei being wrong about the prophecy, it is in fact the story of how her own actions actively lead to the prophecy coming true). She will drive Jaime to this action, I have no doubt. Of course, it could be different in the books to the show. They've made efforts to set up Euron as a potential Valonqar in the show, I think that's verifiable from the evidence you put forward. But will GRRM do the same in the books?

[@elainetilghman8820]

THANK YOU!!! I know I'm "late to the party" but I've been trying to watch all your videos, reading the comments & reading the books. Let me say, your analysis is incredible. Your attention to the various sources of details and well as the intent of the action is amazing!! Thank you for helping those of us who have trouble getting all of this straight!!! Please keep it coming!! Oh, yes, I think I have to agree that Euron makes the most sense. (I have only just finished Feast...so I may be lacking in some content.) Thank you again!!!

[@sunshineroth9605]

Hell yeah, girl! You are right on, as usual! I love it when you brake into other voices while reading different characters- so much so that now my 9yo daughter will come running into the room going "oooooo Gray's here now!" Love you❤

[@andersengman3896]

As far as I know, there's actually no support for the claim that Valyrian is gender neutral. I think it's far more reasonable to assume that the specific Valyrian word for prince/ss is gender neutral, akin to "regent", "claimant" or "pretender to the throne" in English, and I think it is simply because it's a _title_ derived from the Valyrian word for dragon, because the reference is about dragons being neither male nor female. It has been argued that valonquar _could_ be gender neutral, because there is one other example of a gender neutral Valyrian word, but it's quite a hasty conclusion to decide that all words are gender neutral because of one example, especially considering valonquar literally being translated 'little brother', never 'little brother or sister', and as you pointed out, it said the valonquar would wrap _his_ hands around her throat.

[@krisaaron5771]

Everything you've come up with makes absolute sense! And if Cersei refuses to name Euron as king by only allowing him to be Prince Consort (and I can't imagine she'd give up her power) then I can easily see him strangling her. I'm surprised so few people caught the "hands" comment in the prophesy that eliminated Jamie as her killer.

[@TheDragiix3]

One thought that occurred to me once was, what if the "younger, more beautiful" was really just a metaphor. It's also about the fact that knowing your future influences your future aka Oedipus, things happen maybe because you know they happen. Maybe the "younger, more beautiful" really just refers to younger Cersei because thinking back is what makes her paranoid. Thinking about the prophesy is what drives Cersei insane partially, she distrusts everybody and every woman she sees who gains power is immediately that one younger, more beautiful. But maybe it's just a joke and it all refers to herself. She loses her youth. She loses her beauty. And the more she focuses on that the more she loses.

[@electrikjimmy608]

thanks for another awesome video grey area. I always hit that like button before I even watch. all your videos are awesome

[@christie1112able]

I absolutely adore your analysis on every video!! This is so solid, I would be mad if it’s not him who does it! Keep it up, you’re truly helping through the long night/year!

[@djolds1]

Another possibility. Samwell Tarly. Figuratively the little brother of Tarly - disowned and cast aside. Widely considered to be GRRM's in-story avatar, and George would no doubt like to choke Cersei to death himself. Widely underestimated but no coward. Sam could get close, very close, and Cersei wouldn't even scent the threat until her trachea was caving in. Of course, for Sam to go medieval on Cersei, something horrible would have to transpire. Little Sam, or Gilly, or Jon would have to die by Cersei's doing.

[@madyjules]

I agree 💯% & lending even more credence to this idea is the many times that GRRM wrote how the queen was trying to warn Cersei but she was unable because she had no tongue. Years ago when I read this, I thought it was Cersei’s own mother Joanna Lannister but I wasn’t thinking properly... Cersei’s mother was never a queen and after she died Tywin would have KILLED anyone who would have even dreamt of desecrating his beloved wife’s body!! I scoured the books again, after I began watching the series and only then did I realize that this Queen referred to in this dream is the older Cersei (the “present day” Cersei) and by that point I knew of Euron and his sadistic penchant for removing the tongue of anyone he has unfortunately come to control. ( the most glaring example that everyone knows is how Euron brutally removed the tongue of every man on his flagship, “Silence”) I’m really worried for Asha (Sorry, Yara) I pray she is rescued by Theon before their sicko uncle has the chance to do this to her!!!! Back to Cersei, the passages you read ( thank you! that was a treat!) really tie it up with a bow....your theory must be what GRRM was foreshadowing! Euron is the Valonquar and it’s clear that Cersei has some pretty awful shit awaiting her. Even if she doesn’t marry Euron (especially after he realizes she was playing him for a fool) the moment the Mountain is not nearby (for whatever reason, anything from Cleganebowl to a simple bathroom break) Euron is gonna pounce on her and make her suffer before he ultimately kills her...

[@katherinescarborough1747]

You are consistently on point. Your videos are great!

[@mandih2636]

this is sooooo good!!!!! I never even thought about the fact that Jamie can't be the Valonquar because of the missing hand!

[@leboleope5142]

I think Dany has already taken all that is dear to Cersei. She took Casterly Rock, Jaime and her chance to ruin Tyrion (by giving him power by making him her hand). I have a feeling that Dany will not sit or even see the Iron Throne. I don't think Dany will make it out of the North. Anyway, as for Cersei, I think she will be killed by Euron. And this will only happen after Sir Gregor Clegain is killed by the one that's "coming for him" like the Hound mentioned in the Dragon Pit. So once the Mountain is killed Euron will seize the opportunity and kill Cersei. That's my theory. I don't like it but oh well... LOL!

[@nexis1293]

Lebo Leope Of course she will make out of the north its her destiny to be in the throne room all by herself like her vision. She won't sit on that throne tho, because she will destroy it in the end coming full circle.

[@leboleope5142]

Nexis 1 What you're saying is actually my wish. My theory is more like my fear. I have a horrible feeling that we're going to lose Dany in a premature and horrifying way, in true Game of Thrones style.

[@nexis1293]

Lebo Leope Nah not happening, too big a character to kill her off early. Emilia been on set for months now suggesting she has a big role to play and makes it to the end. Danys army ain't following nobody else, don't worry I personally don't think we lose her early

[@leboleope5142]

Nexis 1 You better be right. It would actually kill me to lose any of my favourite characters.

[@SaunterVaguelyDown]

Nexis 1 Yeah but it’s covered in snow. Could just mean she doesn’t get it until the south is literally covered in snow or could be less straightforward. Idk. 🤷‍♀️

[@03mai67]

Great work. And you could have mentioned too Euron saying « and I have two good hands » in the show !

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

24:08-I also think that Azor Ahai might be Theon because one of the prophecies involves being born amongst salt. In the show, none of the other character really are born among the iron islands, except for Theon and Euron- the salt king.

[@jadestar0883]

Didn't Cersei asks Maggy the frog if the Valonqor is a monster. Euron is a monster plus the reasons you stated. I think it's Euron.

[@prettyavacado3104]

Faye tyrion was referred to often as monster throughout the story.

[@connorwinter5717]

"Little monster"

[@cilvercin]

No, I think she only thinks that question to herself.

[@luna-ichigo6539]

23:08 kills me! I always thought that it would be Jaime... But now I am convinced that he isn't the one! Great Video!!

[@victoriasantoro6692]

I think the NK is the Valonqar..He is the Little Brother of Bran the Builder ..a Stark and was named Jon ..He has two good dead icy hands too[Hardhome S5] and he will wrap his hands around her white/pale neck and will chock the life from her ..He now is going into KL flying into Viserion ..What can stop him from killing her and conquer the Throne ?Nothing ....He will be there for her and her baby[who will used as the 100 baby sacrifice for him].I think Danny or her daughter with Jon will be the younger and beautiful Queen after Cercei and she will take what she holds[The Throne,the Realm and a man who Cercei was never dreamed of].

[@aurorasilverthorne]

I agree with your theory, but Jon could actually be a good contender as well, since he has Valyrian blood and is the younger brother of Aegon and Raenys. Jon's Dany's allie as well and if anyone has a reason to want Cersei dead, it's Jon. Her son killed his uncle (he thought Ned was his dad at the time) and her father slaughtered his cousin (Robb), cousin-in-law (Talisa) and aunt (Catelyn) at the Red Wedding. Plus, if he and Dany really hook up as a couple, he's going to do all he can to make sure Dany gets her throne and he's also going to be peeved at Cersei for going back on her promise to help them defend the kingdom of Westeros from the Night King. We also have to take in consideration that filming photos and such for season 8 show Jon in Kings Landing with Cersei. Even so, you did an awesome video, and you're right about Euron being a psycho creep. 😃

[@jacobwerst3476]

I don’t know if someone has mentioned this yet, but your reading excerpts made me realize this. Jaime followed Cersei holding onto her heel. Knowing the authors love basing this series off of historical content couldn’t this be important? Biblically speaking Jacob followed Esau and was holding his heel at birth. Jacob means heel grabber / supplanter. Jaime and Cersei could parallel this and Jaime will steal Cersei’s “inheritance” which is the kingdom. Just a thought I would put out there in trying to figure out what will happen

[@colinoswald2]

During this video, I suddenly understood Cersei and her motives. And suddenly I see humanity in her. At least in her younger years, she could have been any one of us. Power hungry? Sure. Verging on nepotism? Absolutely. Nothing wrong with either of those traits on the human psyche. She is mostly misunderstood because she's unapologetic about what she does. But that comes from her lineage. Eventually she loses everything, and that pushes her over the edge. Suddenly I want her to sit on the throne at the very end. Give her a purpose again .

[@JackTibor]

I'm not 100% sold on this theory, but I friggen LOVE your videos! You have done your homework and can very much back up your claims!

[@mydudeleakytiki3261]

Question ... I can see your point about Euron, but didn't Arya become a faceless MAN? If Arya were to take the face of Euron, couldn't she then wrap HIS hands around Cersei's neck? Just adding a bit of twist to your theory. Thanks Gray ... enjoyed the video!

[@darkstar1650]

Being that the valanqour part was not mentioned in the show, maybe in season 8 we will see the rest of the scene with Maggie the frog so everyone isn't like wtf! But for some reason I think Cercsie will somehow get out of king's landing alive, too many people expecting her to die

[@jojoladydayne7311]

Maggy the Frog is Jeyne Westerling's great grandmother, the grandmother of Rolf & Sybelle Spicer, brought back to be his wife from Essos by their Grandfather when living out there for the Spice trade.

[@LL-xp2jb]

Another winner, Gray. Book-wise, that was 100% convincing. Minor quibble: if Euron kills Cersei *after* Dany has taken KL, he doesn't get it either. So that timing may not be likely. Show-wise, the Valonqar prophecy was omitted. Maybe D&D always planned to follow it to the letter but didn't want to clue in the audience that Cersei would be offed by someone near and dear to her. Or maybe they intend to have a different Valonqar. Show Euron is two tiers below Cersei in importance, though book Euron is more, er, noticeable. Like you, I think Jaime is the best choice. It's tragedy worthy of Shakespeare. If he is dead or can't do it, I prefer Arya as back-up, not wearing Jaime's face as some people propose. She could wear Qyburn's or even her own. After all, she has passed for male on and off since Season/Book 2.

[@sandraschwartz8796]

Thank you so much for all the time and energy you give with these videos. Your insights and interpretations give a totally new perspective, and I think you are right

[@cjinpa5713]

♥️❤️💕💜💚 This video Gray!! ‘And here I stand with two good HANDS’. I also think it has to be Euron. And I just have to say what an awesome narration for Maggie. Another great series from Gray Area. Thank you! ♥️🐸🧙‍♀️🕯🔪🌕🌲

[@lathanandrews417]

Wonderful awesome stupendous job with Maggy’s voice!! And I really like the Euron theory! I think it’ll be way better in the books than in the show. BTW, doesn’t Aeron Greyjoy have a prediction of Euron on the throne, laughing, with “a tall woman” by his side? Is this referring to Cersei??

[@marine3327]

@GrayArea There she is! That Sweet Summer Mother! :D

[@sherrieweeks-tolbert4884]

That is a brilliant theory!!! I’m so glad I found your channel!!

[@EpigTheEpicPig]

"Why Euron? Because he's" in my head: "Nuts!" "a monster." in my head: "Oh, yes. That too."

[@willowdove6703]

It would certainly be a case of history rhyming if Cersei was killed on the Iron throne while Kings Landing was being sacked. Especially if she makes any use of her vast stores of Wildfire during the attack. It would be much more cathartic if Jamie did it, and resolve his character arc. But I think ultimately he might die trying to defend her instead, which would resolve his arc in the opposite way.

[@mtgirl73sg]

I think the Euron idea is spot on. With the drowned tears and "silent" tongue from the captain of the Silence, it makes sense that he kills her. However, I don't think it's a queen that takes the throne from her, if she ever holds it in the books. Jaime has always been most dear to Cersei, more than her children, more than the throne, more than gold and jewels. And it will be Brienne who will take what Cersei holds most dear, which is Jaime! Brienne's beauty is beyond features and skin, it is in her soul, and Cersei can't ever hope to win against that! And the show never included the valonqar part of the prophecy, so I am not sure it applies.

[@larrychrysler]

Although I'd really love to see Arya pull a Walter Frey on Cersei, I have to agree with you. It will be Euron. The clencher for me is when Euron compared himself to Jaime in the throne room...his having "two good hands" (and Jaime only having one).

[@nightcitypunk8517]

Great video Gray. Always a pleasure to watch your content.

[@danacorchin3742]

you forgot that at the end of season 7 when Jamie leaves he covers up his Golden Hand so if he chokes her out with gloves on there's no way the which could tell he only had one hand.

[@eliacortez7430]

This was one of your BEST breakdowns! Totally agree with you

[@thickredthing]

Mind blown! Absolutely love your contribution to this topic!!

[@JRHightower1987]

Drowning in Tears. Tears are salty like the ocean. Or is this a strectch? And I think the line where Euron says he has two good hands had a double meaning, 1-a dig a Jamie, and 2- to verbally foreshadow the prophecy for savy Got' detectives like yourself to pick up on. Great work Grey!!

[@starlightvenus9935]

Wow! Excellent excellent video! Man u caught soooo much that drowned clue wow! Love your videos thanks for making them

[@tracygoode3037]

Martin makes a point that one WORD--the word for Prince or Princess--is Gender Neutral. He does NOT say ALL Valyrian is gender neutral,; that is an error everyone keeps making because it fits into their idea of a neat and tidy solution and lets them think Arya will kill Cersei. The Valonqar is a little brother. Period. He doesn't say, "YOUR Valonqar," so most likely it is not Jaime--and never was Tyrion. It may, however, be the Hound or Euron or Theon--if the books follow suit from the show, it's likely Theon for what Cersei and Euron do to Asha.