CESSPIT Engineering: $3000 Bike SCAM Exposed by Autistic Engineer. OPEN Cycle threaten to SUE!

[@TheUltimateULTRA]

it looks like “hambini is gay” was written by you on your whiteboard behind you. So the question is. Is hambini gay?

[@Hambini]

only on tuesdays

[@dewiz9596]

Don’t tell his hairdresser. . .

[@riyanhashemjamy10]

8:40 you'll see who is gay

[@DeedoCmuk82]

Hambini is a swinger, I reckon 😂

[@Sir_Godz]

@@Hambini its only gay on friday is you repeat it saturday with screen shots

[@RhumRunner41]

Your exposé hits close to home. Almost 32 years ago, I got into mountain bike racing in the NORBA circuit (never was good but had a lot of fun doing it). At 188 cm and 105 kg, I kept popping bottom brackets, from low to high quality. When the season’s series was over, I dove in to research the root cause only to find out a similar issue. Both sides were oversized and the axis was way off. The selling bike shop would not touch my claim because of my size (apparently I was too powerful) and the manufacturer blamed it on the operation outside of intended use of the bike (I bought their bike specifically to race off-road as it was advertised as such and recommended by the bike shop). I loved the bike’s geometry so much I didn’t want to get rid of it. Because it was chromoly, I got a machine shop to bore out the bottom bracket straight, fabricated and installed a 2 piece sleeve. Never has an issue after that. After my short racing stint, the bike became my commuter. I owned that bike nearly 28 years before my kids bought me a new one. Thanks for the video. Much enjoyed the breaking down of their claims and your justifications. But you need to get rid of that pen. Subscribed.

[@thetinguy]

the classic it can't be out of spec because specs don't exist

[@Hambini]

And they can't provide what size they make them to

[@dutypaidrock]

Which implies "therefore, we can make them as sloppily as we like and you can't do shit about it."

[@Hambini]

@@dutypaidrock totally correct.

[@derekmuskett7582]

@@Hambini Surely if they quote Srams spec they have to follow Srams spec?

[@Hambini]

In the UK, yes they do. The item must be sold as advertised and must be fit for purpose. If it's not then the customer has suitable means for compensation for breech of contract.

[@oliverd81]

Doing this in your free time for the sake of consumer information is quite honorable!

[@smallerfreeze]

He really just wanted to be a KZbin celebrity since a child

[@WalrusRiderEntertainment]

@@smallerfreeze 🤣🤣

[@MudShadow]

Really? he runs a business selling bike parts including overpriced bottom brackets which don't do anythign except make someones bike cranks turn around a bit nicer. Don't think it's all for consumer information.

[@austinlamb165]

@@MudShadow you don't think people who's livelihood involves riding a bike faster than other people want their cranks to turn around nicer? And the rest of us regular riders should just take badly made bbs laying down? Get over yourself. He does run a business but he also gives information freely.

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

@@MudShadow You're right. What an opportunistic individual. He should be ashamed to sale a solution (sometimes made to measure) for overpriced frames that should have work without any issues in the first place. I hate those guys and girls who put expertise, passion, sweat & effort into a solution with added value produced in very small numbers to very high tolerance and have the guts to ask a price to make a decent living. We should only rely on edge funds managers and other capitalists to bring us overpriced (shitty) products that will enriched those with no knowledge an expertise* while making sure they'll be broken or obsolete after a few months of use. * Selling a product that enriched those who create it and produce is f_ing indecent. Where is our world going ? Make sure to game better, you'll avoid thinking better on your own.

[@gavjones842]

As a guy who teaches new cycle mechanics and warns them about some of the rubbish brands out there, I'm so glad you make these videos!!

[@crisnguyen571]

What are some brands you commonly warn about?

[@The-Sea-Dragon-1977]

Rolls Royce: One was an Engineer, one was a businessman. Vroomen Kessler: One is a self publicist and one is a brand influencer. BIG difference! Keep up the good work.

[@galenkehler]

I might buy an Open frame just so I can join the class action.

[@frosthoe]

Good job Hambini. Myself , as a machinist/fabricator, am constantly amazed at the utter lack of quality seen in alot of new items. (from ANY country) QC is nonexistant nowadays, cost cutting eliminated those jobs 1st. Generally quality assurance is now left up to the individual machine operators. or final assemblers. Whom by the way, are motivated to NOT have any out of scrap or out of spec parts left over... so they use them up in production. And get to go home without being yelled at. Thats the NEW industry we have.

[@mggailitis7231]

I have a strong feeling that this guy would not give the time of day to a dolt like myself, and rightfully so. I know very little of what the hell you're on about. But for what it's worth, you manage to make engineering concepts funny. I like that. Kudos, good sir. Keep up the great work and don't let humourless, insecure people get in your way.

[@Hambini]

Thank you for taking the time to comment. It's appreciated! I generally read all comments, I try to reply to as many as possible.

[@Neil_down_south]

People who know little/nothing about aero/carbon/bearings (like me!) are welcome in Hambini land. That is until they start selling crap products and conning the public into spending big bucks.

[@SarahH0g4n]

Watched till the end. They have no case for defamation as you were truthful and made some honest opinions. Happy to donate to any crowdfunding if this ever makes to court.

[@durianriders]

me too.

[@borano2031]

I´m also in. Rgr

[@philr80rt]

Aye, count me in

[@PaulMarangoni]

Add me to that list.

[@Rover200Power]

And my axe! Shit, sorry. Wrong fellowship.

[@craigblowfield8821]

What I find bizarre is that Vroomen and Kessler have years of experience in the bike industry and that be perhaps the #1 complaint from consumers regarding modern bicycle construction relates to poor bottom bracket QC. So when faced with evidence of poor bottom bracket QC rather than reach out to the customer they reach out to their lawyers. What an absolutely unfathomable business strategy.

[@shakdidagalimal]

When production cost is 200 bucks and sale price is 3,000 bucks, that's the natural reach....

[@Neil_down_south]

It makes me laugh when people say "oh the frame Hambini examined is just one of the bad ones, the other 99% are fine". There shouldn't be ANY shoddy frames! It would be like saying ok we did lose 2 Boeing 737 max, but the rest of them are fine. No! Quality control should ensure 99.999999999% compliance, not 99.2%.

[@Jenswsmjens]

People will say Hambini is not proffesional because of his use of language and just the way he is. I think he's the most honoust open guy on the internet about bikes and trust him above every other person. Thanks for everything!

[@dylanstandingalone]

IMO people who make a big fuss about language and "unprofessionalism", are usually more focused on the "appearance of competence" rather than the actual performance of it.

[@Jenswsmjens]

@@dylanstandingalone absolutaly agree :)

[@shadow7037932]

Any engineer who doesn't cuss is not a real engineer.

[@rarelycomments]

All of the best engineers I know use similar language and humour. Knowing your shit vs. knowing you're shit.

[@ChinaCycling]

Downloading this video and saving it before it gets pulled by the party police.

[@durianriders]

haha

[@Vaguizer]

Do you have a clue on who their manufacturer is?

[@mschedexe1024]

Don't think that's permitted by KZbin either!

[@elegantmature1662]

Screen record it on your phone.

[@DeckMower]

好五毛

[@cathallawlor989]

Ah yes the brand that has its own imaginary bottom bracket standards. Welcome back, hope all is well :)

[@rcg9573]

Actually their standard is that they do not have a standard since they claim they do not need to meet any BB386EVO standard even though they advertise that that is what their frames are built to. In essence, they have created a biz model where no matter how poorly fabricated their bottom brackets are you can not make a warranty claim against them for it because they will simply counter that it is built to their “specific” company standard based upon their experience.

[@davemellor4697]

I have never been so glad to here ...HELLO HAMBINI FANS! ...............(BETTER THAN PORN HUB)

[@321bytor]

Hear

[@notorio526]

I'm 5 what is this

[@JPMoron]

Nothing beats PH IMHO. I do my daily dose of HIT exercises watching so I give it a 2 thumbs up!

[@JMcLeodKC711]

Can you provide a sound file of "Hello Hambini Fans" so it can be my notification sound for your new content?

[@casual-mtb-veiwer_782]

Its NNNov

[@thecyclingfactor8055]

Watched a podcast with China Cycling where he talked about how the big manufacturers will have to start taking QA/QC more seriously due to Hambini... How ironic

[@0tispunkm3y3r]

Reading a book just now called “poorly made in China”. Eye opening to say the least. Progressive quality reduction is a game that many factories play. At first everything is hunky-dory and over time they start making changes without telling anyone. If the customer never realises or finds out that they changed the stock material or swapped an ingredient for a cheaper one or reduced wall thickness, then they get to pocket the change. Then when they are rumbled “price go up” to make it right again. Just switch suppliers? Well it seems the way they carry on and collude with each other means they got western customers over a barrel.

[@kellrockets101]

@@57x11 wasn't that Pivot who keep someone in the factory to monitor QC? Good on them to make sure they got good product being sent out

[@rfwillett2424]

@@0tispunkm3y3r Several of my friends manufacture in China, there are a lot of very good Chinese manufactures. But you also have to pay for it, the premium ends up being in the 20% to 30% range, or even higher. What your talking about has gotten worse in the last decade, because manufacturers aren't as interested in the export market anymore because there is so much internal demand.

[@colinmunro7337]

A mate has a bike company,he makes unannounced visits to factory in asia

[@richardharker2775]

@@57x11 Salsa does. I had an issue with a Soma frame that was totally out of spec. Soma said through email that the spec charts are a reference only. I asked another U.S. brand and the owner said he didn't have a frame at hand to check???. Salsa stated they check every frame before painting at the factory.

[@hirohikonishikawa4851]

Everyone knows guys like Gerard self assured small guys. As a 58 year old businessman myself I have got a feeling for useless people over the years. Someone who boosts himself with some utterly useless awards and that likes to spit out some totally useless garbage in the internet are useless themselves. Another fact is that this type always writes exactly like him, it got this semi aggressive wimpy sound like the world owes them.

[@kalamarusffm]

Can I work for you?

[@TheEchelon]

@@karavshin Making money and having good customers service/products. Nowadays it's common to make a fortune trough crappy products as long as you have the right marketing.

[@timocallaghan4408]

@@karavshin There is a whole lot of that circlejerking in the Netherlands where vroomen comes from. The awards go to those who studied in the same technical or design schools as the judges. Mostly what it is boosting is the academic institution, I'll bet if you look at who nominated/awarded those design awards they will also have studied in eindhoven. When's the last time you bought something because it got a red dot award.. it's meaningless to end users

[@thetechgenie7374]

Yep exactly unfortunately a bunch of them.

[@cliveramsbotty6077]

everyone wants to know your age and profession i'm very happy to see you declare yourself 'a 58 year old businessman'

[@lejendpolevault5345]

Open: "we will sue you" Hambini: hammers nails in coffin

[@themediocretriathlete]

Having worked for aerospace companies and other Engineering heavy companies for a few decades now, I truly appreciate what you are doing here in showing the masses the garbage being sold by the bike industry. I have owned several Cervelos and love them, but they definitely have their faults especially with the BB creaks. I would love to see the bike industry truly embrace engineering principles and QA their products like they should. Some of the measurements you take on these frames are appalling.

[@tihomirbrkic2914]

I hope bike industry get ahead of Boeing in QA. My teacher Nathan Armstrong use to work for Boeing as an engineer. Im setting bar low here.

[@richardtickler8555]

but thats expensive. 30mins of lawyers and a gcn deal to get a "suuuuper noice" every time are far cheaper

[@Sills71]

The 2021 Warranty Verbiage of every major carbon bike manufacturer will now contain the following statement "Sending your frame to "Hambini and/or Luther Teknik will result in the voiding of the warranty"

[@liutang]

Dude... I was looking at OPEN frame and your two videos totally changed my mind. There are infinitely better ways to handle this, even if they were right (they're not). How, can I support a company that treats its customers like this?

[@nathanphillips875]

I’m normally very generous with your roasts; assuming that it may be a one off fault (rather than a systematic design/manufacture fault). But once someone threatens to sue I just see that as an admission of guilt. They clearly know there is something wrong with their product or they wouldn’t threaten to sue some guy on KZbin. Open cycles you are doing yourself a disservice, stop now before it gets embarrassing.

[@yoda112358]

They probably didn't threaten to sue. At least, when Flo cycling "threatened to sue" Hambini, it was pretty obviously a fake lawsuit generated by Hambini himself to create controversy.

[@anywhereroam9698]

It’s already embarrassing

[@jaysong3765]

@TPBR11 they are made in Chinese part of Kenstone and QC’d in Taiwan where they make Cervelo Masi 3T Owners are aware as they include their QC note

[@TheBarnaby25]

@@yoda112358 idiotic premise you've offered here. One would think that doing such would actually give grounds for suing, no?? Seems you're just looking to discredit Hambini...and coming up with a hair-brained theory to do so.

[@theillegalimmigrant9314]

If I was Vroomen, I would worry about the Bahraini hitmen.

[@Wildschwein_Jaeger]

Probably mad because TB used Meridia frames?

[@topher.m]

To confirm. I wouldn’t buy an Open bike and it has nothing to do with Hambini’s videos.

[@philipaddyman7402]

To confirm. I wouldn’t buy an Open bike and it has everything to do with Hambini’s videos.

[@mikesima9396]

@@philipaddyman7402 to confirm, I bought an open before seeing the video but would not have

[@cnay2983]

@@mikesima9396 ouch

[@Andy-co6pn]

I'd rather ride an open sandwich

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

Open was on my very shortlist. No longer. Not only due to their shit manufacture but their handling of this dumpster fire and their dealer where I live is known for not giving 2 shots about it’s customers once they have your $$$ so in a way it fits they’d be OPENs dealership around here. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree

[@BluesTheBestBoyIGuess]

13:14 - That's just the same Chinese frame that everybody is selling on eBay right now for $298.- which means it cost maybe $75 to make. Because a carbon frame needs to be chucked after a crash this price point actually makes sense. Looking forward to them getting even cheaper.

[@mauriciorosales1259]

From one engineer to another ‘bravo!’ PS: send me the crowdfunding link if needed.

[@Hambini]

Please read a description for the summary!

[@GrayFox-xd9ww]

Ok

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

Yeah sue them anyway for your counter suit and make an example of them to the entire sleazy industry to not just raise its standards but ADHERE TO THE STANDARDS IT SUPPOSEDLY ALREADY HAS SET! I share your outrage on this fundamental point.

[@PeterPutz82]

Welcome back. It's good to know that Open and other brands think you have influence. Your influence can only be because your audience think you know what you're talking about. So sleep well at night knowing you are creating good content and hopefully making crap engineers consider their career choices.

[@weevilinabox]

Mistakes happen. The response of any credible engineer-or engineering-led company-upon receiving the sort of bad news Hambini regularly delivers would be to thank him for the heads up...and then investigate the shit out of it. If Hambini's wrong, present the proof and ask for a retraction. If he's right, make every effort to prevent a repeat of the problem, offer customers free inspections, and thank Hambini with a year's supply of Haribo. 5-year-olds love that stuff!

[@collinhelm8756]

I once had a stem (from a mega reputable company who prides themselves on their immaculate precision CNC machining) crack around the steerer tube area, and not from a crash or anything of the like. I wasn't really mad about it, just figured they might want to know. Wrote them an email with pictures asking if they wanted it back to investigate as I'd never seen that happen before. They were just like, 'nah' and that was it. Didn't care I guess. Oh well, but it was weird to not even feign concern. If it was my company, I'd wanna know just for the sense of knowing, and/or at least keep a log about it, so if I saw more than one I could maybe do something about it. Design flaw, bad material batch, whatever the case may be.

[@FLMKane]

Mistakes should happen within tolerance. That's what a tolerance IS

[@adrianc6534]

i work for a semiconductor company and any customer returns are taken very seriously. they are investigated until the root cause is determined and then a method to screen the issue out in production testing is devised. i would be fucking embarrassed to be an 'engineer' for one of these bike companies.

[@liquidSpin]

The reason I subscribed to Hambini's channel is simply because he is the "Champion of the people" Most of us bike consumers don't know nor have the tools to check company's engineering claims and when the manufacturer/company screws up and tries to cover it up the average consumer will most likely not to able to prove and counter-debate leaving the consumers with a crap bike they can't use. Having an unbiased engineer to check and call out companies that do is the ultimate in how us consumers can fight back. Not all brands are scum but there, unfortunately are a lot of brands out there that will try to scam us. Hambini is doing a huge service to us all and I appreciate and thank him for it~

[@larisonjohnson]

Welcome Back! We’ve missed you! Laughed so hard I dropped my phone when I saw that spin test on Dream Build. If it’s not poor design tolerances what could it be? ... Maybe he used oatmeal to repack the bearings? Somebody get Raoul an OPEN frame and let him comment on how the quality of the carbon construction. Wonder how “Ideal” it will be?

[@theadventurebiker]

Yes!!!

[@timtrial3971]

I had an aluminium specialized allez. Chewed a BB in 12 months. Got a new threaded dura ace BB. Immediately I noticed the BB wasn't concentric and had friction. I took the bike to the LBS and they told me some BS that it was normal for a BB to fail after 12 months of riding on dry roads. I said I wasn't convinced. Months later I fond this channel and my scepticism about the quality of bicycle frames in general were confirmed

[@hamishw3071]

Open Cycle, setting themselves low standards and failing to achieve them?

[@shannonparker7404]

Mate, I SO respect your commitment. Crap is crap. We are so swamped with marketing doublespeak and lies to cover cheap sub standard manufacturing, your input is very very needed. Bravo Sir.

[@mrnobody9821]

Wow, i can’t believe they actually tried this. I would imagine they were advised not to independently test the frame or reveal their tolerances or BB spec because that would grant them plausible deniability of wrong doing or even knowledge of it should they be taken to court and questioned about it.

[@saxphile]

But those BB specs and tolerances must exist somewhere. If they designed and commissioned manufacturing their bikes without any technical specifications, then that just proves that Hambini is right.

[@mrnobody9821]

@@saxphile I agree but from a legal perspective it might be advantageous to simply “not know” the truth and make weak arguments such as “others copy our design, so it must be good!” There’s no law against being “ignorant” even if you’re pretending to be such a way to avoid further legal ramifications. Regardless, it would be unwise to do business with individuals willing to perform such intellectual gymnastics with their morals....and tolerances.

[@dlevi67]

@@mrnobody9821 The problem is that the part that "others copy" is the design of the chainstays. As far as the bottom bracket goes, they advertise it to a standard that is in the public domain (EVO 386); if they specify different (and not tighter) tolerances they are guilty of misrepresentation; if they don't specify tolerances in their specifications, then the public domain ones are valid. All considerations on intellectual honesty aside...

[@JohnDoe-yh9gi]

Bought a first gen cervelo s5. I was forced to put a 22mm tyre at the back because a 23mm will sometimes rub the seat tube. It has the vroomen whyte design stickers on the chainstay

[@sabamacx]

Notice all these (sponsored) "dream bike build" videos no longer include spin tests.

[@zobayer1]

Now that you mention it, yeah...

[@jamesrowland3857]

@RollinRat have you ever heard of bike shops ripping off customers? Recently I brought my bike in the fix a really tiny wobble in the front wheel. I assumed it would be something to do with the front bearing and brought it to a bike shop to get fixed. When I got it back the front wheel was still slightly wobbly. I have a strong feel they literally didn't bother fixing it, charged me and gave me back my bike. Have you heard of this stuff happening

[@HR-ws1rj]

BIKE WARS: The empire strikes back... Return of the Jedi Hambini!!

[@philr80rt]

The force is strong with this one

[@kdiggitydog7696]

That orange top is the base layer of every decent X-wing fighter pilot

[@glennsullivan7177]

OPEN deserve everything they get from this. Here is AUS, one of these frames can cost up to $7000 !!!!!!!!!!! shameful.

[@johnm91326]

That is how exchange rates and tax works.

[@rcg9573]

All “high end” carbon fiber framesets have become a joke from a cost standpoint. And that silly pricing has trickled over into the alloy frame biz as well. Heck, a stock Moots with no customization at all and no fork sells for north of $5,000 US and if you customize anything you’ll likely be looking at a frame alone that pushes $7,000 US. A complete joke. 😆

[@jeffislearning]

these scammers dont stand a chance. just discovered this channel and the humor mixed with the science is an absolute goldmine.

[@galenkehler]

My rule of thumb is, "if they can't do the basic engineering that you CAN see, then I don't even need to consider trusting the engineering that you CAN'T see" the design elements as basic as derailleur hanger on cervelo that I've seen mean i don't even need to see the interior scan. Let alone the structural elements of bent stays or the lack of steering stops in cervelo s5 etc etc

[@galenkehler]

@RollinRat lol

[@matthewperry798]

I owned an open u.p as well sold it recently because I got so fed up with replacing bottom brackets i thought it was because it kept filling up with water. In my opinion it was badly designed. An expensive mistake i won't make again

[@ticklefritz5406]

How can you sleep at night knowing you sold a pile of shite to a fellow rider

[@sockdoper]

When i was building my 3T (another Vroomen special), i had huge problems with their poor manufacturing too. I couldn't route the rear derailleur wire. Examination with endoscope revealed the bond between rear triangle to BB was completely blocked with excess resin/glue. I had to manufacture a custom tool to chisel (yes chisel) out a chunk of foamy resin.

[@Hambini]

that is shit.

[@sockdoper]

@@Hambini Truly shit! I was stunned...and it wasn't even a dropped chainstay either. Should've been an easy bond to get right. I assume 3T and Open are the same factory too.

[@ticklefritz5406]

That is so shitty, totally unacceptable! The bike may or may not have internal routing kinda depends on what day the frame was made, the AD ought to say

[@pmcmpc]

Everyone I know who's had a 3T frame / complete build has sworn never to touch another Vroomen bike. They seem to have exactly the same issues as OPEN (but with better customer service). Interestingly though, the handlebars mostly seem to be well made and have a very good reputation. But maybe Vroomen considers those beneath him and has a qualified engineer design those.

[@tanyeehou]

Ah thanks. I was planning on getting the 3T Revo tt bars and now I’m gonna save my hard earned cash for better stuff.

[@philipaddyman7402]

Single greatest piece of youtube I've seen all year. What were those chumps at OPEN thinking to pick a fight with you about a frame that you xray scanned to show a dangerous void? Keep up the good work Hambini!

[@joppek77]

That crank spin test was maximum cringe... Heck, maybe Open should send a legal letter to the creator of _that_ video for "defamation"?

[@ticklefritz5406]

That spin test is not showing us anything other than it doesn't spin, could have been many things that made that crank sticky

[@GeeMilner]

My inbox is waiting with open arms for that letter hahaha

[@mavver]

@@GeeMilner noice :) Btw could you please tell if the bb in that open wide frame (from your vid) was also fucked up? or cranks was tighten to much?

[@mavver]

​@TPBR11 the question is to mr Gee. Overall I'm curious what's his opinion about that frame.

[@Commander_ZiN]

Geez you're saying the C word, I thought that was reserved for us Aussies. Glad to see some of you still use the full English language :P

[@jannemann321]

😂 Funny you mentioned my Tweet to Opencycle. Just watched your Video and laughed out loud to see me in it! Keep on doing what you do plz. Their Behaviour is really still kind of suspicious. BTW your German is GREAT buddy. Especially for a 5 year old 😂👍

[@jannemann321]

And in addition to that: My Open Wide spins like crap as well 😄 But at least I got your BB in on my own😅

[@EnduroriderPl]

I worship you for your competence and the scale obviously. You're my hero.

[@hpvhomebuilder]

Nice to see you back on the tube and straight back to the roasts, good man! Keep up the good work.

[@tuttobicci]

I just tweeted Open Cycles asking how their legal action against Hambini was progressing. Let's see if they respond lol

[@82vitt]

They will block you.

[@strokyl]

Can I have the twitt link?

[@tuttobicci]

@RollinRat Nope! Lol

[@dewiz9596]

Glad to see you’re back. I was not aware you’d had a crash. . . Glad you’re recuperating. For the record, I’ve owned two Cervelos. . . The first, an Aluminum P3SL Time Trial bike, which I still own (since 2005) and love. It led me to buy the first version of the Carbon Soloist. Big Mistake. Its lack of vertical compliance made it impossible for long rides. It wasn’t bad up to about 100 km, but for longer rides, it would beat the crap out of me. (It led to one occurrence of a Kidney Stone event). I was able to sell it to a much younger rider, who seems to restrict himself to sub-100 rides.

[@dildildil]

Mate, go louder on the opening next time. We need more Hambini power. cmon.. that was soft.

[@dlevi67]

Come on, he's got broken ribs to recuperate from! The darn things hurt if you laugh, cough or shout.

[@paddlestandingup]

Glad to see you back Dr. H! Hope you're healing up nicely and thank you for going out on a limb to tell the truth.

[@GadgetDaveVlogs]

Hi Hambini sorry to hear you had an accident I didn’t know. Hope you’ve made a full recovery. Glad to see you back Great Vlogs keep safe

[@ronmatthews1738]

If they proceed with this case I would suggest a countersuit. Courts generally frown on people who perjure themselves in a bid to bring a malicious prosecution.

[@machonugget]

i have no idea how or why i watch all your videos hambini, i only have one leg so cant ride a bike... but keep up the great work i love it, you absolute mentalist :D

[@wilfdarr]

That sucks. Do you do chair racing or handcycling? If I couldn't ride a normal bike I think I'd have to find a way or I think I'd go mental!

[@Grunge_Cycling]

Remember when Rides of Japan’s Open Upper shattered into pieces?

[@thedownunderverse]

Hmm, I didn’t see that one. Will look it up

[@pmcmpc]

That was his Canyon, surely, where the top tube randomly caved in?

[@eduardoortega2505]

To be fair he crashed in a downhill into a car. Bikes aren't supposed to handle that I suppose. That doesn't mean it isn't crap btw

[@yoghurtlidlicker]

it was Open UP and he crashed.

[@ticklefritz5406]

only after he smashed into the back of a car

[@jezedwards6495]

Welcome back The robin hood of cycling tec.

[@philipaddyman7402]

Joking aside - this is actually totally true!

[@mitchbu1977]

@Hambini Great video - did you remove the original roast video?

[@chuckdegoal3264]

Welcome back! I have really missed what feels like a therapy session for me!

[@VikMTB]

So glad to hear your well, thank you for doing this public service, anyone who sues to suppress information will be dead to me, keep up the hard work, we need more of your videos!

[@ches74]

Hazzah, Hambini lives! We've all had that over take and cut up moment. Or the turn in front and stop that I had to jam on the brakes for. Still don't know how I stopped from full lick on those super skinny race tyres.

[@keithreed5009]

Another great video, just curious to know why you didn't fit the black anodised parts you showed early on on the video. We're the parts you fitted clear anodised?

[@Hambini]

it depends on a few factors such as what the customer wants, availability and cost.

[@datdudeinred]

"In this industry look bikes design wise LOOKs good." "It seems like time took THE TIME to design their bikes".. 😂 -Hambini 2020

[@nimbuscycles2354]

Welcome back Hambini, glad you’re back in action! Looking forward to catching up on those roasts!

[@jamesmedlow]

Great stuff! Paying cheap for unknown cheap carbon is fine. But paying premium coin for unknown cheap carbon with poor QA is not on.. Their defence is poor from what you outline in the video.. (I'd like to see some of the xray shots from the 'kink' too as you mentioned that was pretty bad also on the original vid). Keep it up Hambini. !

[@FLMKane]

Correction... Paying premium for KNOWN SHIT CARBON

[@ImranShaikh-gh2wd]

Good to see you back Hambini, hope your healing up well. I bought a BB386EVO bottom bracket from yourself earlier in the year with a view to buying a Open wi.de frame.................just incase you have to go to court - to help your case I can confirm that your original video in no way dissuaded me from my purchasing decision and hand on heart I defiantly went ahead with my open frame purchase....cough cough

[@Tom_367]

Thank you very much for showing this, Hambini! 30 years ago the bicycle industry had difficulty in using sealed bearings with a proper quality. Nowadays some of them fail shamefully in applying simple engineering standards in case of the BB. Also stunning quality issues in the production of bearing seats and carbon fibre structures. This makes me wonder why not to buy a frame directly in China. But no, I just stick with my steel frame from the 90s. Which has a perfectly manufactured BB, by the way.

[@123a-o5d]

17:50 "out with" is usually written "outwith" and is only used in Scotland as far as I'm aware. It means "outside of / not including".

[@MrLogjammer]

I've heard Vroomen has a sideline driving taxis.

[@triode1212]

He built up such a good reputation with Cervelo and he just blew it all with how he dealt with this issue.

[@user-nw2si7hu3u]

Cervelo are junk just look nice

[@rcg9573]

Cervelo had a good rep before they got sold to Pon Holdings.

[@fergusdenoon1255]

"They haven't had any failures" (They don't ride their own bikes, they're dangerous!)

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

Vroomen has a problem creating frame that work properly with components. Remember how the revolutionary 3T 1X bike frame was so appreciated, by Team Acqua Blue riders, for its inability to work properly with the SRAM groupset.

[@Vaguizer]

The fact that he remained obstinate after Aqua Blue's failure, makes it difficult to trust his professional opinion, let alone buying his bike

[@cmdaltctr]

Sorry to hear about your accident. I hope you are well now! I was in London for 7 years, the majority of taxi drivers are jackasses. Tried to kill me many times as a cyclist and a pedestrian, refused to gave me a change and many more. I hope they die and burn in hell. Good thing you're doing here, we have SO MANY KZbinrs of all kinds, electronics ie laptops phones, sports good such as bikes, keep telling everyone how good the items are without shredding the entire truth whether the item is really good or really bad or really faulty. Because people are scared of threats made by big companies like these, and because most people are not very technical like you are. But thank you for doing this and thanks for exposing the problems in engineering related to the items, it helps us all!

[@10ktube]

I'm in the US and I'm finding myself wanting to use Hambini adjectives in my daily speaking. I love your videos, and the fact that you have clear science and standards to back up your videos. It's a shame you have to spend your time fixing and defending, I'd love if you just designed and produced your own frame and randomly walked the factory floor and roasted them for QC. Wankers!

[@jaimonuno]

Me too! I need his vocabulary for my daily argues with suppliers of Friday afternoon articles

[@thomaslutro5560]

Should have heard me when I found out I botched the spoke lacing on my last wheel build. That's only half an hour of undo and redo, but I had the language, and more. :D

[@ticklefritz5406]

Be careful, in the US the sensitives will jump your shit for talking like this man, coming from experience.

[@deadreckoner5276]

The only reason I bought a Santa Cruz Stigmata was the threaded BB.

[@Simte]

Hell yeah, the intro that keeps me from bonking. Btw, I am glad you are well and recovered properly.

[@blu0065]

I'm not even wearing headphones, and I think I've gone deaf. Still nothing compared to your crash. Great to see you back Hambini.

[@TheVelo17]

I can't help but giggle when Hambini writes "pen is working" *lol* feeling like a 8 year old

[@Wildschwein_Jaeger]

Just wanna point out that the Gee Milner dream bike videos the builder is never seen using a torque wrench. The video you show OPEN WI.DE dream bike the bb is isted as ceramic speed and the cranks are SRAM Red. Based on your previous vids the components and or poor assembly can contribute to the high friction.

[@involuntarysoul3867]

you don't need a torque wrench for BB, we are talking about 40-50 Nm

[@RobinN9515]

By the looks of the dislikes, open has upped their staff to 19 employees.

[@rcg9573]

And or dealers. 😆

[@bourzoblaxos13]

They should read some theory about composites, first of all carbon fibres can break/kink etc. especially under compression. Cracks are created/propagate through the interlaminar region of the laminate (resin rich area between the carbon layers). As you manually lay the carbon layers air can be trapped there thus creating voids. Also, there is no such thing as a composite without voids. At least Trek advertises their OCLV carbon as "low void".

[@keirfarnum6811]

One would think they would be placed in an autoclave to pressurize the layers of carbon and force the air voids out.

[@MrBusunglueck]

12:15 Floyd Lanis looking like a weekend warrior. Why is he on a BMC but in Specialized kit?

[@cataca91]

i think press fit bb shouldn't exist screw on b bs are way better imo because they stick out more, as you said the wider the bb is the better, so moral of the story buy either a carbon frame with screw on bb or buy an aluminium frame with a screw on bb

[@anpanman9533]

Thanks to let us normal people know which brands it's not worth saving for. Good to see you back. Stay strong.

[@Evaso_CC]

I would doubt they are made by Carbonda. Carbonda has released the Open “copy” (CFR-696) only in the last couple of years. Also think Carbonda just a reseller, not a manufacturer? The design seems to be an open mould now anyway...

[@Frankthegravelrider]

I think carbonda is the factory as far as I know (I have fm936)

[@mavver]

@@Frankthegravelrider I think not. In my opinion Carbonda is the same as flyxi or ican and they are only buying frames from factory and resell them.. I don't think factory would make retail sales. Even you can go to that factory and buy bulk of that frames and make your own bike brand.

[@noahbirdrevolution]

I watched a whole ad to help with your legal fees. 😜

[@sprinterfix]

can we get a fully engineered Hambini bike one of these days?

[@rodrigomaero]

you're not a bicycle engineer, you are a GOD of bottom brackets!

[@masatsune3493]

Many thanks to making this public and explaining the methods of open cycle. I am so glad I found your channel a year ago and you helped me to spend my money right. I recently bought a Time Alpe D'Huez frame. Your claimes that Time is the lick were hardend by Raoul Luescher. And I was looking at Open, Specialized, BMC and Cervelo. So happy I avoided these frames. Keep up the good work.

[@alexiz689]

Thanks Hambini for providing an engineers perspective on frame quality as a counterbalance to the fake paid reviews. The best thing Open could have done was to work with you to understand the problems and fix them. Instead, they try to erase the Internet. I do find it interesting that during a time when bike availability is near zero for most manufacturers, I can easily order an XL Open frame in a choice of colours.

[@ticklefritz5406]

Thank you Hambini! We need people like you with a voice to expose the atrocities the bike industry is seemingly getting away with. I am guilty of perpetuating this because I bought on. My OPEN UPPER ($4,500 US) is my first experience with a carbon frame, I was appalled with the quality. Being my first experience with a carbon frame and having nothing to compare it to I just assumed it was a condition of the material and manufacturing processes and all carbon frames must be shit. I discovered everything Hambini discovered and possibly more. The head tube had visible voids, and the top and bottom surfaces were not flat or parallel. My bottom bracket shell didn't seem as bad as the frame in this video but still out of round, undersized. The plug in the BB shell didn't even fit in its intended hole. The seat post didn't fit in the seat tube, too tight. My rear hub didn't fit into the dropout without doing surgery first. The brake mount surfaces are so jacked up it's an act of God to get them properly torqued down and in the correct position. ALL that being said, in over two years and about 13,000 miles, I have not had any issues with the frame. I have had excellent customer service from Gerard, guess I never even thought of returning the frame, just assumed that's what we're all dealing with. The bike handles very well and is super comfortable, I love it.

[@pmcmpc]

You're mad riding that, knowing what you know know. Get rid.

[@RuinInScotland]

Good to see you back - and on the mend ... I've missed your presence welcome back !!! happy times Open Cycle evidence as watertight as Trumps win :-)

[@nstrug]

Can someone post a link to the official BB386evo standard? I’ve found various descriptions but nothing that includes tolerances. Surely a mechanical engineering standard would include tolerances?

[@dannyslea]

I was hoping to make it the rest of my life without having to see that utterly hideous frame again. Dammit Hambini!

[@outoutmtb1949]

Glad your back and well,The BBC Watchdog of the cycle industry wish you could put the Boardman Roast back up that was pure class

[@TheSpycy]

I'm waiting for that titanium planet chlamydia bike roast. That would be refreshing after hearing about 37 carbon voids

[@pmcmpc]

Planeck Eps have the worst customer service in the known universe. Their titanium, though definitely low quality, used to be good value. They've since more than doubled pricing in under 2 years. You can now get a bespoke one made to much higher standards by XACD for half the price. Or a world class bespoke Walty for the same money or less. Ignorance is the only reason you'd buy it.

[@echtogammut]

Good response video, you offer an important check on bike manufacture laziness. As consumers, we are riding these frames on blind trust that the manufacturer has implemented a QA/QC process to capture issues on their assembly line. It's a shame that having CT or Micro CT scanning isn't a more easily available service for consumers to check their bikes. As a side note, Gee's "Dream Bike" build videos are very soothing to watch.

[@mickchaganis6607]

So if people with an open frame sent it to you paying for return postage, would you measure the BB 'holes' and show results.......this would be a fair test wouldn't it? 😉

[@Hambini]

good idea

[@alexb.2085]

You getting sued is just hilarious. It's a thin line between sarcasm, criticism, comedy and engineering, who is supposed to draw the line other than the viewer. Having you sued in principal means agreeing to your words of wisdom. Love this show!