Ceylon's Portugese Burghers; the jovial bunch | Lost & Forgotten

Ceylon's Portugese Burghers; the jovial bunch | Lost & Forgotten
Host: Hassaan Shazuli
Resource Person: Dr. Zameer Careem
Producer: Roen Jasinghe
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[@jfarinhote]

As a portuguese, I find this very interesting. Few of us know about these settlements in Sri Lanka.

[@ishankavlogs1185]

"Tissera " which country origin sirname ?

[@delonrich8466]

Yeah same here

[@rjmh3968]

Os governos português e brasileiro deviam promover a nossa língua em Seri Lanca e Málaca.

[@TUTU82083]

Yeah these people are slaves they used to do slavery here 😂

[@TUTU82083]

​@@rjmh3968නැ නැ ඔනෙ නැ මෙකෙ ඉන්නවනම් සිංහලෙන් කතා කරපන් කලවං පින්නයා 😂

[@maashaniffaron4673]

A lovely interview. Learnt a great deal. Dr Careem is simply outstanding, very articulate, brilliant historian, and a lovely human being. I have met him at the Malay Club. Unlike other youngsters of his age, he is committed to serving his country, and promoting diversity through his researches, and writings. The Malay community is immensely proud of him.

[@ricardoafonso7563]

. I am from Goa - which is in India since Dec 1961 - A nice heritage many around the world will appreciate . Good wishes to Senhor Dr Careem .

[@kiransouza]

ViVa Goa 😊

[@lynisaaks9837]

Pleasantly surprised at the wealth of knowledge about Dutch and Portuguese Burghers in Sri Lanka. Very eloquent, never at a loss for words. Very listenable.

[@angelwings5136]

BeautifuIy Explained....I Am A Sri Lankan Burgher Half Portuguese Half Dutch....My Mum's Entire Family Are Portuguese And My Dad's Entire Family Are Dutch..... Thank You So Much For Sharing.... Appreciate.... With Love And Gratitude.....🫶💫🫶💫🫶💫....

[@TUTU82083]

පරම්පරාවම හොදට පුක දිලා නෙද

[@SERGIO-cr6uy]

You must be 4/5 centuries old 😳

[@nunocabral1084]

ola amigo, boa sorte para essa vida. obrigado por gostar da cultura portuguesa

[@ghassen669]

What amazing talent the deep knowledge without looking at any notes and no pauses to even think so fluent

[@kasunrodrigo6592]

Very true it's amazing

[@HirunKarunaratne]

ජේවීපීකාරයෝ වගේ. ගැම්ම

[@michaelrockstar8281]

WOWWW. Amazing, Dr Careem. I have watched all your episodes, and you are a walking, talking encyclopedia. You are also "very POSH", prim and proper, and love the way you speak. I keep saying this, you shouldn't care about these negative comments and dislikes. You are doing a great service to Sri Lanka, by promoting religious and ethnic harmony, by raising awareness on various communities in our nation.

[@kasunrodrigo6592]

True

[@dhammikagunaratne1475]

The Burger community in Ceylon there after Sri Lanka were a happy go lucky community . My friend Dougie Bulner lived in Colombo till last week but moved to Australia a week ago . The ONLY reason he lived in SL was his wife was Singhalese . Good luck to you Dougie ! .

[@nisulawijesundara9062]

Amazing description about Sri Lankan Burghers...Big thanks to Dr Careen..

[@TudorChandrasiri]

As a Sri Lankan buddhist living in kandy, we don't know much about Burgher community , I saw handsome boys and beautiful girls are singing. It is very beautiful seeing. Really if they are sri Lankans I am very happy about it.

[@clydellaperies4721]

These information and long history should be in your history book. This would have helped the community to embrace and respect each other. Even the bread you eat is Portugal origin. History and past is so important in the development of society.

[@TUTU82083]

They are mixed not portuguese

[@williamadamsjap]

My Great great Grandfather was a British Naval Officer and he married my GG Grand Mother who was from a Tamil Noble family, Their son who was my great grandmas brother was a Royal Engineer who worked in Singapore and also fought the Japanese in the liberation of Singapore!

[@DerrickKeil]

I am a Portuguese Burgher. If anyone in the burgher community is watching this interview , please leave a comment below.

[@janithjanith8954]

Gladwin derrick keil @ ඔබලා සිංහල රටට කර විනාශයක් . 😡😡😡

[@nadee4ever]

@@janithjanith8954 racist

[@janithjanith8954]

@@nadee4ever තොපේ බර්ගර් ජාතියම. පෘතුගීසි ලන්දේසි ඉංග්‍රිසි ඔය සේරම ඒකට අයිතී

[@satipy]

I am not Burgher but I am portuguese. And I really would like to know more about you all! Thank you.

[@janithjanith8954]

@@satipy im sorry for say this madam god will punish your prothugese ancestors because thery distroy sri lanka and our sinhalese buddhist ancestors . 🙏🥺🥺😞

[@johnbalachandra1612]

Dr. Careem's research is excellent. I am an electrical engineering professor with a doctorate in my field and have been a prof for 38 years, History happens to be a passion of mine. All what he expounded on is true!. Some uneducated idiots have made derogatory comments about his background and knowledge.."Errare humanum est ignoscere divina" is what I tell them and advise Dr. Careem to ignore these negative comments. Continue to do what your doing Dr. Careem. I applaud your efforts and enjoy your discourse on our fascinating history. God bless you . Prof John Balachandra California, USA

[@denvergavin49]

Was wonderful to hear atls one media remember that we still exists...🙏🏼 excellent knowledge bro

[@rocketman9212]

Dr Careem bravo .you have amazing knowledge walking library .

[@christinehenderling7666]

Very interesting. So happy and very proud to hear about our still alive majority. Thank You for having this program. Loved it all the way through.

[@kithsirirubesinghe9202]

Thank you for great history lessons. 🌹🌹

[@lahirudr3547]

My mom is portugal burger in sri lanka. There whole family is here. My great grand pa was a apothecary in colombo Mr Burnard Malcom.

[@jh4803]

Very interesting Thanks for sharing

[@Panini_Edirisinhe]

I saw Dr Careem's programme on the Malays of Sri Lanka about three weeks ago, and now I've seen this. Quite fascinating, and I think these programmes have been brilliantly produced. I'm now wondering what other programmes will follow from here. Last year I read his article on the Afghans of Sri Lanka, but there are the books that Dr Careem has written, and there is another comment in which it transpires that Ms Agnes Thambynayagam has also written a book ten years ago. All of this has come as a pleasant surprise to me, and it is good that we are stimulated into re-thinking about our past.

[@sherrinemoses8784]

Thank You for all the great information!

[@ponniatm]

I am sorry to say this but the interviewer seems inept. He keeps asking questions for which the answers had already been given. He seems to be following a script without listening to the answers. This is a pattern in all his interviews with the professor in this series. The series itself is extremely informative thanks to the professor’s obviously profound knowledge of the subject matter. Unfortunately the interviewer keeps muddying the water at every turn making the professor repeat himself unnecessarily to clarify the interviewer’s lack of attention.

[@gaminidealwis5075]

Great interview and it is obvious he had spent a lot of time researching the forgotten people. I hope Dr. Kareem would speak more slowly.

[@hollowman1]

A very informative talk. Thank you!

[@mohamedamanullamohamedamee9031]

Speechless! Never expected this.

[@Stimpy49]

Incredibly Informative & Entertaining!!

[@samrawijesinghe]

Excellent interview.

[@annemariekellar3553]

Kudos to News First for hosting this brilliant series. Dr Careem is awesome but should speak a bit slower so we can get all the wealth of information into our heads 😊 the host must listen to Dr Careem instead of asking random unrelated questions in the middle of a very interesting comment and completely disrupting the trend of thought which I find most irritating . He obviously has a set of prepared questions and butts in with them in a very annoying manner . It is indeed heartening to know we still have people of the caliber of Dr Careem who continue to remain here!

[@stefanjoachim2606]

100% agreed about the host. extremely distracting.

[@piumirajakaruna9392]

Vow!!! Excellent programme.

[@auburnsenn2040]

Super stuff and thanks to both.....

[@Ms100953]

Awesome! According to the explanation, my late grandfather should be a Portuguese burgher. His name is Cassian de Silva. He was a great artist and a musician. He used to drink a lot and had done a tattoo of rosary on my grandmother's hand, 🤔

[@domari9459]

A very good program on colonial history, not just about the descendants of Portuguese in Sri Lanka. Deducting from his knowledge about the origin of certain terminology that is in use today, Zameer Kareem has done some good work on studying the colonial history of Sri Lanka. Thank you.

[@jenniferdesilva7356]

Very interesting interview. My paternal grandfather and his sister used to speak Portugese Creole to each other. I do hope something is done to eleviate the social conditions of these families and to help retain their language and culture. Dr Careem you are very knowledgeable, but I do wish you could speak slower - I think you wanted to get your views across as soon as possible and this made you speak fast - as most of us Sri Lankans do :)

[@satipy]

Hi!! I am portuguese and I would like to know more about your culture in Sri Lanka. In fact I am very interested in that. I know a portuguese writer that wrote a wonderful book about these portuguese origin ethnicities and he is struggling for some decades now to bring this subject to the portuguese government. In fact i decided to join him in this matter. But am still starting to know you all more. Thank you.

[@dravidamonkey4253]

​@@satipy The Portuguese origin ethnicities in the island are actually an extreme minority. Many of the people with Portuguese names in the Island are actually converts who just took names.

[@rjmh3968]

Os governos português e brasileiro deviam promover a nossa língua em Sri Lanka e Málaca. Pode me dizer o nome do escritor e do livro? Fiquei interessado.@@satipy

[@TUTU82083]

​@@satipyif you want to know about our culture don't ask from them they don't know anything about our culture even though they live here

[@VimalPerera-hd8fr]

Very intrerestjg programme. Thanks both of you Lots of reset done dr Great to know you a walking Encyclopaedia‼️👍👏✅

[@kasunrodrigo6592]

Thank you so much Dr careem. If you could please arrange a sinhala program it will be useful

[@portuguesehydrangea4818]

It’s amazing learning about the Portuguese and their impact on earth, especially considering how tiny Portugal is as a country.

[@michaelnathanielsz9551]

Jeeez…. I was born Sri Lanka, now in Oz since 1971 (at 13yo) even knew a bit of our minority history but Dr. Careem blew me away with his in-depth knowledge of minorities on the island pearl/ discretion a tad too fast, of course. He is a tremendous asset to his (and can I say our) culture. Dr. Careem - you’re gold.

[@Wisdomofearth321]

I want to contact you , Please send me an email if you can

[@kaleelururrahman6059]

brilliant .... eloquent ...great

[@anthonyjennings7275]

Wonderful vlog. Mind blowing. I wish Dr. Careem will will write a book on this topic.

[@gayanlakmal8063]

what a niec interview ,, i got more facts about sri llanka .. ending my name also de silva ,, great job ...................................... from Montréal

[@jeanmendis9070]

Fantastic👌🙏🌷👍

[@ofernandesz1220]

I'm a Portuguese Burgher (fathers side), I don't know why my birth certificate has mentioned Sinhalese.

[@TUTU82083]

කලවං කියලා දන්න බැරි නිසා වෙන්න ඇති

[@TeransdeSouza]

The informations that spoken in this interview is very useful !!

[@rebelbabeconner9064]

My dearest friends Mother, Maureen Neliya Hingert was 1955 2nd Runner up in the Miss Universe... she is of Dutch Burghers

[@samjewellery3336]

Very nice research based revelation.thank you.i suggest you to write a book.

[@viewofT]

Sounds good, appreciation from India!

[@nilukumari2238]

Very interesting discussion

[@truecomrade975]

Great interview, very informative and Dr Careem is a fount of knowledge. I love his accent, he has a typical Pashtu-fluent-English speaker accent with a British undertone, and he is very eloquent, and I don't understand why do people want him to speak slow. He is someone of Afghan, North Indian and Indonesian ancestry, and the languages in the region are spoken fast, hence i guess, is the reason why some people find it difficult to comprehend.

[@ashandesilva9455]

I don’t know where you’re getting all this afghan and Indian none sense from but he has a very typical Sri Lankan accent, which is pretty different from Afghan and indian

[@vipulawattegedara9200]

Absolutely educational

[@sabrinadesouza6032]

I am a Portuguese burgher. A conqueror. my grandmother used to speak Portuguese to her brother. They lived in Halsdorf then moved to hendala. Our family still exists. We are not gone. Yes very cheerful 😂. Grandmother name Almaida Grandfather name de Souza

[@dilkycorteling2586]

Careem I loved listening to you... very eloquent..

[@surensalgado5430]

❤👍🇱🇰👌

[@dianafoenanderfoenander7843]

An interesting interview. Happy to know about the burghers over here . I am a burgher too.

[@KalpaHettiarachchi]

Great video , superb

[@emanjewels7588]

Awesome

[@paulrajasinghe8950]

Super😊

[@bandulaidamegama6025]

Dr. Zameer Careem, Who gave the placename 'China Bay' to Koddiyar Bay in Tricomamee and why?

[@VimalPerera-hd8fr]

Dr Careem a walking talking Computer 🖥️👍

[@dianafoenanderfoenander7843]

All burghers should meet ...near the beach side ...singing ad dancing ...jolly burghers..😂😂😂❤❤

[@rsmfernando]

When talking about famous Burghers of Sri Lanka "Mr.Carl Muller, a son of a CGR engine driver is the author of "The Jam Fruit Tree", "Yakada Yaka" and "Once Upon a Tender Time". These books, published by Penguin are a trilogy of a railway family of the Burgher community (Ceylonese of European descent, of which the CGR employed hundreds in years gone by) that are hilarious and a mixture of fiction and fact which the author aptly calls "faction". An insight into our railway life from the 1930s to the 50s can be delightfully experienced by reading these classics which form a masterpiece. have to be mentioned". Taken from an article By Vinodh Wickremeratne and Kanishka D. Perera Titled The Railways of Sri Lanka (Ceylon).

[@vishypai7554]

The Portuguese Burgeher community need to strictly speak their creole language at home and with their children. This is the only way to save dialects.

[@satipy]

I am portuguese and I became very interested about these "Empire Forgotten Children". This is the title of a impressive book, written by a portuguese writer that is fighting for years, for the full "recognition" of Burghers ethnicity, by portuguese government. About the full awareness of you all. I decided to join that fight too. So I would like to know more about it, for a start. Thank you.

[@TheSaltube]

Muito bom vídeo. Aprendi muito sobre a colonização portuguesa e holandesa no Sri Lanka. Bom saber também sobre seus descendentes "burguer". Em Português temos a palavra Burguês, que significa representante da burguesia. Hoje a palavra é usada também com outros significados, como por exemplo para representar uma elite.

[@rjmh3968]

Em 2022 viviam 244 cingaleses no Brasil. Não sei quantos são burghers.

[@TheSaltube]

@@rjmh3968 Legal. Obrigado pela informação.

[@sfernando1]

Very interesting indeed. Contact details of Portuguese Burghers association / club in Trinco area?

[@2786kenneth]

Very interesting

[@larryenas]

Highly informative. I've read that the name "kaffir" is in fact Arabic and refers to what the black/African slaves were called by Arab slave traders who are said to have frequented the island for fresh water and supplies. Some managed to escape their captors it is said and that is how they came to be in then Ceylon. Wondering if Dr. Careem could shed some light on the veracity of this information.

[@vimsen2221]

In French Spanish Japanese and few more languages Pan means Bread. Dodol & Bibikkan are also of Portugese origin. Instead of Bibikkan they call Bibik.

[@kiransouza]

St Joseph Vaz travelled from Goa to Jaffna and Kandy in 1687

[@mariodezilva5963]

❤

[@lionl.s.rozario3429]

Very nice to meet you and also I am Portuguese I was born in sri lankan but my father was born in kerala india now my father is not alive mother sri lankan tamil i am also eager to join Portuguese association how to join

[@kendesoyza7352]

Can I clarify the term Marranos. If you search websites in Portugal you find Marranos means Pigs in Portuguese. It was used to call the Shepardic Jews that had been brought to work in different jobs by the Romans. If they didn't convert to Catholicism they were called this insulting term. These Jewish Portuguese moved to Brazil, Eastern America, England and Goa. Eventually, travelling to Sri Lanka escaping the Inquisition in Goa. Their history must not be confused with the nuevos Christianos who were converted Hebrews to Catholicism.

[@eeakdavi]

Kumar David Yes indeed a lovely interview. I wish prof Careem would speak just a little bit slower for the benefit of the slow witted such as this writer. Actually the name of Maitland's lover was Lavina Aponso

[@afaria6173]

Very interesting interview but terrible distracting background music.

[@mahespunchi2237]

Great program but unfortunately background music used is not suitable for this program, good for a war film

[@wakirumar7632]

Yup

[@KalpaHettiarachchi]

Could u pls add his name , what an important fact

[@hendrykajendrakumar2615]

Lavinia is a Portuguese and Sinhala mixed gypsy dancer.

[@dravidamonkey4253]

Mestizo is a term used to denote half breed and it is also used in South America

[@diannechathurangaatukorele4530]

That is true the burghers comes from Portuguese origin.

[@michealdappah9180]

Is it true there is 100 000 Sri Lankan Portuguese burghers spread across the world as they have all left the country around the 1940s

[@barneyjackrabbit2986]

My in laws were decedents of Dutch Burgers. They are the Kuens and Kelards.

[@nilakshandissanayake1379]

A lot of people from Goa got Portugese citizenship. I guess due to ancenstry.

[@rexjarkie1734]

how can I trace my family history?

[@aishanrajudeen4047]

U can always to a dna test to find ur roots

[@pradeepnihaldecarm7290]

සිඤ්ඤෝර් කියන නාමය තියෙන අය ඉන්නවද ලංකාවේ

[@Alejandrocasabranca]

Venham todos pro Brasil precisamos de imigrantes temos milhões de postos de trabalho e temos muita água limpa e muita comida todos são bem-vindos no Brasil 🇧🇷❤

[@heatherlourensz1039]

Aburgher is a burgher which ever part of the country...❤

[@babyme8886]

May Lord Buddha bless all of you 😊❤️🙏

[@ravibarnes8106]

May I suggest that this top historian Mr. Careem, be entrusted to write the proper, factual history of Ceylon whereby when we can put the mythical and wierd mahawamsa to rest. Excellent knowledge and communication young Careem.

[@dinushaweerasinghe8478]

Dr Kareem is excellent but he needs to learn how to do a interview as well. He was just talking all he knows without breathing ..and not letting other person to question him .

[@dravidamonkey4253]

Actually the majority of the Portuguese name bearers in Sri Lanka do not have an ounce of Portuguese blood. Vast majority of the cases of Lankans with Portuguese last names are actually Sri Lankan converts. The true number of people with Portuguese blood in Sri Lanka is actually much less than 10,000.

[@gorthamora]

Beautiful attempt NEWS FIRST- Congrats! Let us bring back DUTCH - PORTUGUESE and BRITISH and build up CEYLON back again.

[@engjayah]

You have forgotten to mention the name of Malay Community while addressing the communities

[@maashaniffaron4673]

Mention about the Malay community for what? this episode is based on Portuguese Burghers not Malays

[@kunanayake1323]

He did in other episodes bro. Every episodes caters for a single ethnic community.

[@anitacohen8753]

The poor old Anglo Indians of India suffered the same fate! Their vacated status was taken up by people who hardly spoke English!

[@er3829]

This interviewer/moderator should have done some in-depth research on this important subject. He is horribly ignorant of early Ceylonese history and not remotely qualified to interview Dr. Careem.

[@shehanjerome1446]

Us

[@TUTU82083]

ඉයා කලවං ලොල්ලා උබෙ අම්මා තාම සුද්දොන්ට අරින්න දෙනවද තාත්තා කානුවට බහිනවද 😂

[@lanka22222]

I don't like it if people mix two races. If Sinhalese people keep mixing with others, then we will lose our identity and our culture.

[@AlidaAzzola]

Listening to your interview with Dr. Zameer Caree, I immediately noticed the crazy story that in Sri Lanka existing two communities of Africans (Kaffir) who still speak the Portuguese language one is located in Puttalam and the other is from China Bay (Tricomalee) and descended from the Portuguese era of Sri Lanka, an incredible story completely made up and not supported by any evidence. In fact, the two African communities in question are Portuguese-speaking because they come from the Portuguese Colony of Mozambique, hired as workers by the British Authorities and arrived in Ceylon with a regular contract and with their wives and children.around 1940 Instead of shooting historical follies, do some real research on the subject? It's just a true ridiculous narrative - Best Regard Piero Perondi

[@truebelief3631]

Not supported by any evidence ? There is plenty of information on these African origin people of Sri Lanka on google & on KZbin. Nothing to suggest what was said on this video was made up. Nowhere have I seen it mentioned that they only arrived in1940. Why would the British bring workers from a far away Portuguese colony to Ceylon, when they had already brought in up to a million Indian labourers to do the jobs that the locals were not prepared to do ?

[@donperera2497]

With due respect Dr. Kareem please talk slowly. Unable to follow the conversation.

[@sabrinadesouza6032]

Why do you call the language Portuguese creole. Dr.

[@MyGratian]

Because it's not the grammatically correct standard Portuguese used in Portugal or Brazil now. It's a dialect mixed with old Portuguese used 400 years ago, local languages, and loanwords from Dutch and English. Portuguese presence in the coastal provinces of Sri Lanka lasted from 1505 to 1658, until they surrendered to the Dutch.

[@kumarmolligoda7216]

QUITE USEFUL INFORMATION TO THOSE WHO WERE UNAWARE OF A PART OF CEYLON HISTORY . I MADE IT A POINT TO DELVE INTO THIS SUBJECT THROUGH A PROJECT THAT I AM CURRENTLY INVOLVED IN ,FURTHER BEING A TEACHER AND HAVING STUDIED CEYLON HISTORY IN SCHOOL THESE FACTS WERE KNOWN TO ME . TO ANY ONE WHO NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT THE PORTUGUESE AND DUTCH PERIODS IN CEYLON ,THERE ARE MANY ARTICLES , BOOKS AND PAPERS AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET AND EASILY ACCESSIBLE AND ALL THAT WAS MENTIONED ARE CONTAINED IN THESE DOCUMENTS . HOW EVER THERE WAS A SERIOUS MISTAKE MADE BY THE SPEAKER WHEN HE CLAIMED THAT BAILA WAS INTRODUCED BY THE PORTUGUESE..THIS IS A CONTROVERSIAL ISSUE AND TWO OF OUR PROFESSORS HAVE AUTHORED BOOKS AND PAPERS ON THE SUBJECT .IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A REPLY TO THEIR ASSERTIONS I HAVE NOW COMMENCED A STUDY OF THAT SUBJECT AND MY CONCLUSION IS THAT THE LEARNED SPEAKER IS IN ERROR .I DO NOT WISH TO ELABORATE ON THIS ISSUE BUT I HAVE ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO REFUTE HIS CLAIM THAT BAILA WAS INTRODUCED BY THE PORTUGUESE. .SHOULD HE WISH TO HAVE AN EXPLANATION FROM ME HE IS WELCOME TO CONTACT ME IF HE SO DESIRES . I AM A TRAINED ENGLISH TEACHER , AND I WAS ENROLLED IN THE COLOMBO UNIVERSITY ,BUT ABANDONED STUDIES TO PURSUE A CAREER IN MUSIC AND IN ADDITION WORKED AS A CREATIVE DIRECTOR /SENIOR ENGLISH COPY WRITER IN SOME LEADING ADVERTISING AGENCIES. ADDITIONALLY I AM A PROFESSIONAL MUSICIAN WITH 64 YEARS EXPERIENCE WITH SIX YEARS OF FOREIGN EXPERIENCE . PS.. THE NAME OF THE GIRL INVOLVED WITH THE BRITISH GOVERNOR WA NOT LAVINIA , SHE WAS LOVENA APONSU , A SIXTEEN YEAR OLD DANCER

[@prabathnalakailapperuma6408]

Portuguese "pao" is pronounced as "paan", not as "paa-o"

[@kasunrodrigo6592]

Im not an expert how ever i think paao word came from goa

[@jfarinhote]

true, we write pão, the tilde gives a nasal sound so we would spell it like "paan"

[@tobyminiloprabbit2196]

We write it as pão. We read it as paum

[@dasunjana161]

Still in spanish language use bread is "paan" and for flour is "pita". Both spanish and Portuguese have latin origin .පාන් පිටි in Sinhala .

[@SERGIO-cr6uy]

I'm Burgher (hamburger) 😉