CF Moto 800NK | Better Than The KTM 790?

[@LambChopRides]

Little mistake on my part folks, fact check below: At the start of the video I state that KTM owns 51% of CFMOTO - this is actually incorrect. There is no ownership between the brand and it’s simply a joint venture and distribution agreement. The relationship started between KTM and CFMOTO started in 2013, when CFMOTO in China became the importers of KTM. A short timeline of activity below. 2013 - CFMOTO became the Chinese importer of KTM 2017 - a joint venture for motorcycle production was established 2020 - opening of the CFMOTO-KTMR2R plant in Hangzhou 2023 - Pierer Mobility AG became importer for CFMOTO Motorcycles in the UK, Germany, Spain, Austria & Switzerland

[@edgarm2036]

I've got a KTM duke 790 10k km on it, and it has been trouble free, such a fun bike!!

[@markaquino9485]

2:33 Hey Chops, somewhat scared to admit... I'm one of the 3 people that like the license plate cover/mudguard on the rear wheel. I much prefer over the "standard" taillight fender, that sticks out like a sore thumb, which many riders end up eliminating from their bikes anyway. To me, the mudguard looks as more "part-of-the-bike" or at least the frame/swingarm. Even on single-sided swingarms. Do I just have bad taste? Thoughts?

[@axelfiraxa]

You're not alone mate. I liked it the first time i saw it on a GS and think that it makes the tail look a lot sleeker while making the swingarm look more interesting

[@martinrew9285]

The plus is, it stops road sh*te being thrown all over the back of the bike and you!

[@claqyagami6914]

Nobody here as well, LoL. Wish all bikes had the option for them, preferable to those god awful tails without getting your back dirty in the wet

[@Bode66]

Like it especially on the cb 1000 r.

[@bradleylane8377]

Had a cf nk650 from new 2018 just chopped it in for one of these absolutely loved that thing got 1500 trade in after 5 years no issues at all just service and usual tyres pads luv the nk800 fantastic value for money 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@midlife-crysis]

Did a review myself. Was impressed and price wise this it an absolute belter for any student!

[@MV-XD2]

KTM does not own CF Moto, they entered into an agreement to produce certain KTM bikes in China. It’s that agreement where KTM has a 49% stake. In fact KTM is itself 49.9% owned by Bajaj in India. CF Moto is entirely Chinese owned. The bike doesn’t do it for me, ruined by the shovel on the back wheel and the wrong way round iPad on the handlebars. Given it’s a 100% Chinese manufactured bike £7,500 seems a bit expensive and the depreciation will be horrendous, if you can find anyone to take it.

[@KelvinChilvers]

Enjoyed the review, looking forward to seeing more of your content. Only wished we had the same weather now as in the video. Always good to hear about different manufacturers.

[@RupeWilson]

The cf moto I tested never had the surge when blipping down the box.. I did end up buying a 2020 790 duke.. Cam shafts not let me down so far.

[@davidstiglitz4341]

A well balanced review Chopsie. Well done. It creates a similar response to the early Skoda's..

[@SigmaJAD]

Just think about resale folks. I traded a CF in for an XSR900 a year ago (luckily). Dealer still has that bike in stock and can't sell

[@0Turbox]

I just got sport for 6k Euros. I doubt I will have problems to sell it in 3 years for 5k.

[@SigmaJAD]

@@0Turbox hope your prediction is fulfilled. One thing I will say, the bike I sold was good quality and never missed a beat in 18 months. My uncles generation looked down on Japanese bikes, how did that turn out?

[@0Turbox]

@@SigmaJAD Was your bike the same quality as the 800nk?

[@teej1987]

Who sells bikes?!?!? Just aquire more. Lol

[@NickyLong89]

Not sure you’re right about KTM owning part of CF moto. It’s just a collaboration and CF moto build the 790 for KTM. a lot of hate as expected in the comments but you need to ride these. I tried a few different bikes and eventually I bought the CF Moto 800MT. it’s a brilliant bike, not just for the price you pay but just in general, it’s a lot of fun, well built and well equipped. That’s why all UK 800MT have sold out until November and the 450MT is sold out until February 2025. CF moto are here to stay and the more people who ride them the more they will sell!

[@wattie1050]

Nice one chopsy , nice looking bike apart from that number plate holder arrangement !!! A lot of KTM negativity coming out in comments ??? Just sold my 701 SM Husky 9000 trouble free miles I had , and it got thrashed a lot so can't fault the bike at all.? Good to see a bit of blue sky and sunshine there .😁😁👍

[@LambChopRides]

Thanks Wattie 😁👍

[@inked-96]

And for an extra £1500, you could get a brand new XSR900.... Exactly.

[@midlife-crysis]

And insurance costs.

[@dreamcrusher112]

@@midlife-crysis £700 for the nk or £900 for the XSR. 25, full license.

[@inked-96]

@midlife-crysis XSR is pretty cheap, I paid £1100 and it was my first bike.

[@teej1987]

Buy a used nk. They're for sale for 5500 all over the southern states (new they're 7995 here)

[@shaneryan9076]

If creators got paid every time a comment hated on a Chinese bike or a ktm they'd be millionaires by now 😂 but that dash does look like someone put an iPad on the handlebars

[@andrewshore262]

I don’t care how good it is, or rides never in a month of Sundays for a ton of reasons……but thanks for testing it still worth a watch 👍

[@jonkelly1920]

Always enjoy your reviews Chops! That little caveat at the end is quite helpful. Don’t think I’m a genius for suggesting the resale on the CF moto would be pretty crap.

[@peterbrewer6104]

I wonder if you could say 790 Duke a few more times 😂

[@myagoodbody7942]

Excellent as usual mr chops, as someone with a very little insider knowledge there will be some impressive larger capacity motorcycles coming through in the near future 🤫❤❤

[@Jay690x]

i love my ktm, everyone tells me it was a mistake to get one, well i dont care what they think

[@msromike123]

One thing concerning in the US is no mention of the warranty other than 2 years. It would be nice to have the automatic extended warranty as the Duke, extended to 48 months if you service the bike at the dealer. Especially considering the camshaft controversy surrounding this engine.

[@merseamoto]

Great review Chopsy. That rear fender thing you don’t like, I’m looking at buying one for my Benelli TRK 702. Reduces the rear splash up when riding in the rain.

[@paulfowler6665]

I bought my Honda Hornet over a year ago partly because of how good value it was at £6999 I noticed the non advance one of these was only £5999 recently which is amazing value and it would have been nice to know how it compares to the Hornet but all I heard was Duke 790 over and over in fact I sadly counted 44 times! 😮. Anyway is it as good as the Hornet which has similar power?

[@carlhibbert5260]

Great vid,I think we are gonna see more of the Chinese bikes on the road as time goes by as like you say they what £2 or 3 grand cheaper than the well known bikes and yes I think about the resale value of the Chinese bikes in 2 or 3 years time compared to your ktms,Suzuki's, Kawasaki's, Yamaha's,but hey if you want a weekend fun bike or a commuter you can't really go wrong for the price and as time goes on the Chinese will sort the little issues out to make a perfect bike!

[@Crimson_Strider]

Do you adjust the sag and suspension. Before you test ride?

[@drsous6400]

Award winning design ?...More like parts bin special..That front fender is pure Husky Nuda 900

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Any know why its won a design award? It looks painfully generic. Probably china buying accolades again.

[@magaudion]

Yeah right 🤡

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

​@@magaudion yes, right?

[@magaudion]

@@Bow-to-the-absurd no, wrong 🤓

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

​​@@magaudion so, you're saying the ccp do not employ every tactic in the book to undermine the west whilst softening the west' stance on china through strategic placement of its officials whilst enlisting 'useful idiots' such as yourself?

[@markfranks1329]

😂👍​@@magaudion

[@SPM1966SPM]

Nice review, thanks Chopsy.

[@johnstephens1447]

Just like to say, thanks Lamb Chops, you save me around £170 off a new helmet and Sena intercom from Helmet City. 👍

[@2wheels6strings8]

I miss English back roads on a summer's day!

[@TheScortUK]

They're still cracking at the moment! Just got back from 150 miles on them 😎

[@raymondbispham6588]

Hey Chops, the thing that caught my attention was the passenger footpegs. They look very far forward and seem like they stick out fairly wide. Is this the case? Do they get in the way? Maybe its my brain not jiving with the 360 cam...

[@ricatiman]

Are the camshafts in CF Moto bikes made of steel, or cheese like KTM ?

[@RupeWilson]

Chinese steel is not premium steel. There lies the problem

[@RobertKehl]

Now you make me wonder who manufactures Ktm’s 790/890 cams. China has been known to rate their steel at a higher quality than it really is. KTM really needs to come to the world stage and get in front of this cheez cam issue if they want to survive. I’m a ktm 23 890r Duke owner. And it scares the sh@$ out of me. I’m hoping I have no issues. But even if I don’t, ktm has ruined my resale value and literally fu&ked their own share holder.

[@NickyLong89]

No reports so far of the CF Moto cam shafts failing like on the KTM.

[@mdfaruq5800]

Err..i think its the other way round, CF shares are 51%...but nevertheless their range looks good and they priced them at affordable prices..now their shares are higher than Yamaha as well when they joined venture..

[@savvasCHg]

I can understand the confusion because in the uk market the price difference with its competitors is only 500 pounds. But you have to understand countries with lower income motorcyclist benefit from the lower prices. Having said that the price difference in greece of the sport model is at least 1500 euros.

[@jeremycanning8934]

Same camshaft problem?

[@craigmason6656]

Who else thought that the speedo, was Chopsie's phone?

[@mjs.910]

I was wondering, how do you think this would go against the Honda hornet 750? Same "ish" power & price. 👍🏍️👍

[@ivanrushtonthelonewolfrides]

I have the CF Moto 800 MT Explore. Same engine which has the same fuelling and has a snatchy throttle. We’re awaiting an update from CF. I found if you inadvertently just touch the gear lever that is what made it lurch. Value for money is what it’s all about for me. I ended up trading my GS 1250 for the Explore as I couldn’t afford the 1300 Tramatana I wanted As for resale your probably right. But see how much you will lose on a 24k GS. In 3 years. I’ve done a fair few videos on the Explore take a look if you get chance. Love your vids mate

[@paulmccloskey7287]

Probably looks better in person, imo I detest matte paint. Makes a bike look cheap and is a pig to clean.

[@RandomJunk81]

BS. Super easy to keep clean with the correct matte detailer.

[@bradleylane8377]

Paid 6.5k now with 4 years warranty 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼

[@soulrebelno1]

It's a love child from a ménage à trois between a Kawasaki Z900, a Yamaha MT-09 and a Suzuki GSX-8S, but who is the father! It looks okay, but I think the dash should be landscape (12:46), which would've been great for sat-nav, and not portrait because I can't see it entering the Dakar Rally anytime soon. Also, the engine warning lights on the bars seem a bit annoying, and I hope it doesn't suffer from cheesy cams! 😁

[@10secondsrule]

It looks really cool❤

[@bobz1736]

I love the low number plate bracket on my Triumph Trident... makes it different from everything else 😅

[@AmAm-t1g]

Nice video as always mate.. between this bike and Suzuki Gsx 8S which one you prefer more? And why

[@9LB.hammer]

Imo, the 8s is the more "refined" machine to ride and it has better ergonomics. I was choosing between 8s and 800nk. I ended up with the 800nk due to price difference, raw power, and it looked better than the 8s for me.

[@savvasCHg]

​@@9LB.hammerI am standing at the same indecision. The only problem is the more refined 800nk that is expected in 2025

[@9LB.hammer]

@@savvasCHg or wait for eicma. Rumor is their 1000cc v4 concept, and the naked version of their new 675cc inline 3 will be at EICMA

[@paigntonbeach]

KTM reliability with Chinese build quality a match made in heaven .

[@dreamcrusher112]

Get one new and it's 3% interest and a million year warranty. Only thing that comes close for that is Suzuki, who did it in direct response to the CF. I like the base spec nk dash as it's half the size, but sadly no quickshifter. Went for a bmw instead.

[@R-Tap]

I like the same registration holder on my Trident. It doesn't ruin the line of the rear especially around the seat area and underside. My bike has a really really small reg plate (legal in Ireland) which hides it a bit better.

[@mdfaruq5800]

Should do more of them CF's..800mt, the upcoming 800MTx, 450mt

[@msromike123]

I get your blipper comment, but my guess is that the Duke in 2025 will have same fueling tune? Maybe not tho.

[@MrAndrew1953]

Spare parts would worry me. When I bought CB500 4 years ago,parts for Chinese bikes were hard to get. Several months for a new screen.

[@flexywing]

How does it compare to the Honda Hornet 750, thats the same power as the CF?

[@paulfowler7618]

Apparently it compares with the 790 duke but you wouldn't know it from this review 😂

[@markharrison2484]

Down a shot every time Chops mentions the 790 Duke. Disappointing not mentioning the camshaft issues.

[@LambChopRides]

This was recorded back in May, also I do think it's not right to mention issues when you have no first hand experience. It's just hearsay unless you know the facts

[@P3lusio]

I like the number plate holder. For me it is look better than tail tidy 😮😊

[@glideman]

Chocolate cam ktm engine in a Chinese bike, what could possibly go wrong 😂

[@NickyLong89]

It’s a different engine. CF moto don’t have the cam issues.

[@9LB.hammer]

​@@NickyLong89more like they fixed ktm's mess.

[@alanshearing7515]

The bike certainly looks the part , a plus for style. Yep for me a tail tidy is a must . I just hope it hasn’t got the same problems as its DNA brother . Time will tell. If people can get over the fact that it is made in China a contender for a nice all rounder, at a good price . How is the warranty and customer service?. Let us know what the dealership says about the blipper please. ( software update ?) . Quite like the dash , needs Android as you pointed out . A great video Chops very complete review . 👍👍

[@NickyLong89]

Dealer network is very good, doesn’t seem to have the same issues as the KTM. I did my research and bought an 800MT 👍

[@ragerider6283]

Interesting review & proposition. Although not so keen on the styling & I just don't think I would buy one over half a dozen other bikes regardless of cost.

[@paulfowler7618]

I was wondering how it compares to the duke 790 as I don't think you said😂

[@Steve-motorcycles]

How about the Honda Hornet, it’s better than the Suzuki 8s but as good as the Duke 790. 🤔 More reliable that’s for sure 👌🏻

[@ragerider6283]

Fair point mentioning the Hornet but having checked it & the GSX8S out, the Hornet isn't better imo. They're just different answers to the same question. Like for like the Honda is marginally cheaper, but I preferred the build quality, styling, more stable handling & better lowdown grunt on the Suzuki. However, I fully appreciate these are my preferences & doesn't mean better, but that's kind of my point. The Honda is more agile & has better top end, but equally it felt flighty & peaky to me. I also didn't notice it being appreciably more powerful or lighter. It felt more like a shorter wheelbase & different engine characteristics. Also worth noting after all that ramble, I didn't buy either lol. BUT I would buy either over this CF Moto or a KTM for that matter.

[@dreamcrusher112]

Hornet I hated riding, took it back after 20 mins. Throttle so choppy I couldn't stay at 30, felt like a toy. Went and got an F900R, definitely feel the difference.

[@Steve-motorcycles]

@@dreamcrusher112 ok, your right. The Hornet isn’t for novices or big girl blouses

[@0Turbox]

@@dreamcrusher112 The F900R I would speced costs 11k Euros. It's way more bike as a Hornet.

[@savvasCHg]

Same for the hornet and 8s, they have 1000 and 1500 euros difference respectively from the base model 800nk @@0Turbox

[@simonwalden131]

Considering you can barely sell a 790 duke second hand (took me ages to shift mine) I’d say buying this would pretty much certainly see to stuck with it. I’m not anti Chinese bikes at all but I’d definitely save up extra money and go Japanese in this case.

[@focus550]

The rear fender/mud guard is due to legislation. It's something to do with the rear most part of the Bike can't be the Wheel. Hence why you get a lot of overly long/extended plate holders or lights going beyond the rear wheel.

[@klendatas1]

Your number plate must be on the very end of your motorbike and this solution is much sexyier then a meter of tail sticking out.

[@garybrown4854]

I tried to watch it all , honestly I did Chops , you did your best to make it interesting to appease the CF MOTO guys , but it is just a Chinese copy of something again ...................

[@mybikebits]

It sounds like you're saying that the CF Moto uses the KTM engine during the video, CF Moto produce engines for KTM, I believe they also make the KTM's under licence in China, so it may well be the exact same people building both bikes you're comparing?

[@kpanagos]

MT-07, Honda Hornet and the 800 naked suzuki, which I have no idea how is called, are the rivals

[@drewgilchriest3507]

I MUCH, MUCH prefer the plate holder going around the tire than the nasty tail sticking off the ass of my bike.

[@IrelandRider]

I'm wondering how many times you said 790 Duke!?! That's stuck in my head now 😆!

[@kevinroark5815]

That dash looks like a DIY job 🤣

[@张翔-h2u]

The big screen is really wired and ugly!

[@yahoodlums]

I think the tablet style dash os really out of place. Would rather see something that resembles a dashboard, or clocks, even if digital... The Q/S not working properly on downshifts is worrying. Let's hope it comes with a long warranty that covers the cam shaft etc.

[@flyjayUK]

If you look closely you can see it starting to rust before the video even ends

[@gerryryan2302]

resale …might be a cheaper bike ..but you will get your pants pulled down when time to trade up

[@rorya4]

I like those 😮

[@microfly2008]

I wonder if it’s got water leaks oil leaks , pulsing breaks and an engine that just randomly cuts out. Oh and don’t forget the indicators that malfunction in wet weather and a chocolate cam shaft 😂😂

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Once the chinese communist party fix their styling, they will take over. Until then...

[@valebliz]

Probably not, I mean you're paying for those Ready to Race features 😂

[@jpdninja5501]

Sounds like you bought a lemon

[@anxiousappliance]

It seems to be built by people who actually know how to build things.

[@10secondsrule]

Since it’s based on the Ktm…😂

[@Nell1052]

The Ktm 790 derived motor problems, lack of support & high price kills it for me, mind the speedo tacho is far easier to read than Triumphs wanky hard to read dash 😮

[@bobz1736]

Looks like an MV Augusta crashed into a Versys... doesn't look 'award winning' 😅

[@R-Tap]

Not sure about the ipad size dash. A bit, eh, massive.

[@flexywing]

OH please choppsie, KTM do not own any bit of CF Moto, they are one very large Chinese company, well know in the USA for their side by sides, And why do you comment about the rear guard, that's there for legal reasons.

[@magaudion]

@@flexywing Joint Venture: In 2017, CFMOTO and KTM established a joint venture company in China, with CFMOTO holding 51% and KTM 49% of the shares. Manufacturing Collaboration: The joint venture includes a new manufacturing facility in China, producing both KTM and CFMOTO motorcycles.

[@flexywing]

@@magaudion Ah thank you for that, I understand that now, cheers

[@Ferbeldeyberb]

I think they put those number plate holders on them to draw your attention away from the rest of it and the depreciation 🤣

[@1990-t1j]

I like the base model with the normal dash better. The handlebars are better, too. The dash on this model look ridiculous. Both models are far more attractive than the KTM. Nick

[@darylclifford]

Did I just watch a review on a KTM 790 ??

[@takpak1]

Soooo you got a ktm that is Chinese made (as the original is) same problems with the 790 aka oil starving camshafts/ suicidal top end most commonly, but this time with Chinese alloy specs probably, not the same fuel mapping worst suspension a tablet for tachometer keyless meaning every second roadman with a flipper can turn it on and all that for 500 less than the ktm…. I mean it got cool lights but if it was 2k cheaper maybe

[@axelfiraxa]

Tablet looks naff in person too. If i was buying my first new motorcycle it could make sense as the oem crash bars are well thought out and for something i would have dropped in my first three years it is a decent choice. With that said it is indeed such a ? in terms of reliability and resale

[@BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou]

Obviously recorded before the cam issue revealed itself?

[@HalfdeadRider]

Any bike can have issues, it doesn't mean they are all bad, and these obviously are not as they are KTM!

[@flexywing]

I thought that the CAM issue is with KTMs from 2018-2022, I be this has been sorted on the CF

[@NickyLong89]

@@flexywingcorrect

[@stephenransom3076]

The i-pad for a screen, not for me not driving a tesla 😅, would some try to knick it, the i-pad. As for the number thing, I had one on my benilli tnt 125 got rid 😂 . But where is the funking mudgard those days.🤷🤷

[@hunterm8297]

Not keen on the iPad slapped on the front

[@DouglasTinsley]

The tank and front mudguard look a little husqvarna nuda 900r ish

[@mrsilbo6499]

That styling won a Red Dot award? What were they thinking?

[@0Turbox]

If you have no competition.

[@10secondsrule]

We get tablets on bikes now?!😮 why not use it for map which is actually very useful.

[@RichardWilliams-kf5vw]

You can

[@twowheelsoneleg5672]

Bearing in mind KTM often drop at least a £1000 off most models at various times in the year I think you'd be daft to pick CF MOTO at this point in time.

[@NickyLong89]

What do you think KTM offer that CF Moto do not?

[@twowheelsoneleg5672]

@NickyLong89 As long as I can remember KTM have dropped prices at least once a year, usually at the end of the season. I guess clearing out stock for the next year. I suspect the 790 will be cheaper than the CFMoto shortly albeit briefly

[@thomasfalanga9163]

Your government and probably mine requires that the bike extend beyond the wheel it's that or the wasp stinger by law anyway

[@robertgagne9355]

Well the cam shaft has been a problem on this motor. So I will stay away, till this power plant gets a clean bill of health. BTW I do like that fender, it is similar to my MVs both the TVL and Brutale.

[@0Turbox]

A German Motor magazine did a 50k km Test and the overall cost for repairs and maintenance was nearly the same as on an MT-09. A tad above 15 Cent per km.

[@robertgagne9355]

@@0Turbox Thanks what Magazine or were can I find the article?

[@0Turbox]

@@robertgagne9355 I see, it's behind a paywall, but there are sites who could possibly unlock it........

[@neoquest2012]

Think the Chinese are getting there styling wise, but ain’t this the engine with the cheesy cams 🤔

[@AndersPetersson79]

The tail light kind of looks like the Tesla logo 🤔

[@morganmartin9286]

The tablet stuck in the dash trend has spread to bikes 😞 why are these designers so clueless and out of touch with some items. Besides the dash and rear fender thing it's not a bad looking bike.

[@RichardWilliams-kf5vw]

There’s a standard 800NK, the Sport, that doesn’t have the tablet and quick shifter

[@claqyagami6914]

2:32 Nobody here 🖐️

[@gordonatkins9135]

Love you’re videos, but back ground thump no

[@mazqmazq1166]

147 times the 790 duke is mentioned

[@breton523]

You've got the 'real' 650 Ib phone number Chops? ;)

[@LambChopRides]

Haha I do 😄👍

[@michaelryan5911]

The Advanced are now £6799 and the Sport is £5999. Bargain!

[@MPR-u6w]

I just picked one up this weekend for $6499 USD (4970 GBP)

[@mickgarbutt3553]

Obviously, the fashionista wouldnt touch this with a barge pole. But for the cost of 2 years rental on their trendsetting moneypit the could actually OWN this and not be restricted to some pitiful 3,000 mile pa mileage limit. 😅

[@Bode66]

Juan like spanish Juan like Chhhhhuan, because it's the spanish daughter of Brembo. No need to pronounce it Chinese. 😂😂😂

[@johnobrien3469]

The dash looks like an iPad strapped onto the handle bars - not a good look.

[@nickclarkuk]

Looking at Red Dot Design awards they have also given an award to the new Honda Hornet which is almost universally regarded as disappointingly conservative . I’m not a fan of this CFMotor styling either. Subjectively it’s an uglier 790.