Young people debate human rights in China and the U.S.

[@alyare]

She mentioned fair maternity leave as a pro on the American side and I about spit out my tea. The maternity leave is a joke unless you are upper-middle class and above. I had my child via emergency c-section and was forced to go back to work 2 weeks later or loose my job. So don’t spout fair maternity leave as a pro here in the USA. There are many, many people here that *DON’T* get fair or even *reasonable* maternity leave.

[@oaklandblocks]

I'm pretty sure Federal level laws give you 6 weeks and 8 weeks if you have a c-section

[@ggurwlcom420]

Thank you for sharing. There's a lot of push by the left to fix a lot of living wage problems in US but dumb republican think they want a communism without realizing that these problem are their mutual interest.

[@alyare]

@@oaklandblocks Federally the country is only interested in the lower and middle class when it comes to election time. Then, it’s almost like voting for who looks best while lying straight to your face. As far as maternity leave, I received *no* federal protection in the least.

[@alyare]

@@ggurwlcom420 China’s government works for China. Just like I think most would say the US government works for the US. I think there are great things about each country and government, but I certainly won’t sugar coat our shortcomings or start pointing fingers at other countries to deflect attention as many tend to do (I’m in no way talking about you of course, just mentioning it in general). The government has been talking for years about many changes that seem to *never* go anywhere. Why? Well, it’s simple to explain here in the US with one single word...politics. In the end, it’s the little guy, the *people* that continue to pay the price.

[@_seola_]

@@alyare I totally agree with you, I'll add another word, corporations, nowadays, it doesn't matter who r elected, most of them are bought by big corporations except for just few, but as minority in the US, what can u do? nothing, probably just go with the flow.

[@2Khalm]

"If the US saw what the US is doing in the US, US would invade the US " 🤣🤣🤣🤣......debate over !!.....

[@kub1353]

hahah

[@chocotaco1225]

Lmao!! hahaha

[@Star_Gaze_2015]

Score mark

[@boompbeep5944]

And I oop!

[@aliyanmughal6988]

lmao facts

[@timaa.4379]

That blonde lady just shows how little the 'woke' youth know about the stuff they're preaching

[@winchesterlyon]

She failed miserably trying to create strawmen to use as her attack point. Then she used a strawman to suggest that the argument of China having better human rights mean China is perfect which was never a part of anyone's argument.

[@andrewdoesyt7787]

It’s all scripted you know? It literally says it’s funded by the Chinese government.

[@winchesterlyon]

@@andrewdoesyt7787 CGTN is funded by the Chinese, but the assumption that it is "scripted" because of that, you really need to present more proof. Also, one side presented arguments based on US/NED/CIA-funded propaganda. Were their parts scripted too?

[@andrewdoesyt7787]

@@winchesterlyon Well one big give-away, is the fact that the people who were debating couldn’t remember a single word they they “wrote”, they were reading it word for word what they wrote on the script for like half the time. Even without reading the page, they sounded like they didn’t care and they were told what to say, because if you came up with it, you would talk with more naturally, not as shown in the video. One of the women kept stuttering on the worlds and using a new one that she was told to say, instead of moving on.

[@winchesterlyon]

@@andrewdoesyt7787 This actually happens in almost all debates. This is especially true when the participants are not professional debaters.

[@EnriqueVivancoH]

I borrowed this from a Malaysian KZbinr’s comment (This message has been censored on KZbin, I replaced some letters of the text with numbers to avoid the YT algorithm): I’m from Malaysia. China has traded with Malaysia for 2000 years. In those years, they had been the world’s biggest powers many times. Never once they sent troops to take our land. Admiral Zhenghe came to Malacca five times, in gigantic fleets, and a flagship eight times the size of Christopher Columbus’ flagship, Santa Maria. He could have seized Malacca easily, but he did not. In 1511, the Portuguese came. In 1642, the Dutch came. In the 18th century the British came. We were colonised by each, one after another. When China wanted spices from India, they traded with the Indians. When they wanted gems, they traded with the Persian. They didn’t take lands. The only time China expanded beyond their current borders was in Yuan Dynasty, when Genghis and his descendants Ogedei Khan, Guyuk Khan & Kublai Khan concurred China, Mid Asia and Eastern Europe. Yuan Dynasty, although being based in China, was a part of the Mongolian Empire. Then came the Century of Humiliation. Britain smuggled opium into China to dope the population, a strategy to turn the trade deficit around, after the British could not find enough silver to pay the Qing Dynasty in their tea and porcelain trades. After the opium warehouses were burned down and ports were closed by the Chinese in ordered to curb opium, the British started the Opium War I, which China lost. Hong Kong was forced to be surrendered to the British in a peace talk (Nanjing Treaty). The British owned 90% of the opium market in China, during that time, Queen Victoria was the world’s biggest drug baron. The remaining 10% was owned by American merchants from Boston. Many of Boston’s institutions were built with profit from opium. After 12 years of Nanjing Treaty, the West started getting really really greedy. The British wanted the Qing government: 1. To open the borders of China to allow goods coming in and out freely, and tax free. 2. Make opium legal in China. Insane requests, Qing government said no. The British and French (with supports from the US), started Opium War II with China, which again, China lost. The Anglo-French military raided the Summer Palace, and threatened to burn down the Imperial Palace, the Qing government was forced to pay with ports, free business zones, 300,000 kilograms of silver and Kowloon was taken. Since then, China’s resources flew out freely through these business zones and ports. In the subsequent amendment to the treaties, Chinese people were sold overseas to serve as labor. In 1900, China suffered attacks by the 8-National Alliance (Empire of Japan, Russian Empire, British Empire (including India), France, USA, Germany, Italy, Austria-Hungary). Innocent Chinese civilians in Peking (Beijing now) were murdered, buildings were destroyed & women were raped. The Imperial Palace was raided, and treasures ended up in museums like the British Museum in London and the Louvre in Paris. In late 1930s China was occupied by the Japanese in WWII. Millions of Chinese died during the occupancy. 300,000 Chinese died in Nanjing Massacre alone. Mao brought China together again from the shambles. There were peace and unity for some time. But Mao’s later reign saw sufferings and deaths from famine and power struggles. Then came Deng Xiao Ping and his infamous 'bl4ck-cat and wh1te-cat' story. His preference in pragmatism than ideologies has transformed China. This thinking allowed China to evolve all the time to adapt to the actual needs in the country, instead of rigidly bounded to ideologies. It also signified the death of Communism in actually practice in China. The current Socialism+Meritocracy+Market Economy model fits the Chinese like gloves, and it propels the uprise of China. Singapore has a similar model, and has been arguably more successful than Hong Kong, because Hong Kong being gateway to China, was riding on the economic boom in China, while Singapore had no one to gain from. In just 30 years, the CPC have moved 800 millions of people out from poverty. The rate of growth is unprecedented in human history. They have built the biggest mobile network, by far the biggest high speed rail network in the world, and they have become a behemoth in infrastructure. They made a fishing village called Shenzhen into the world’s second largest technological centre after the Silicon Valley. They are growing into a technological power house. It has the most elaborate e-commerce and cashless payment system in the world. They have launched exploration to Mars. The Chinese are living a good life and China has become one of the safest countries in the world. The level of patriotism in the country has reached an unprecedented height. For all of the achievements, the West has nothing good to say about it. China suffers from intense anti-China propagandas from the West. Western Media used the keyword “Communist” to instil fear and hatred towards China. Everything China does is negatively reported. They claimed China used slave labor in making iPhones. The truth was, Apple was the most profitable company in the world, it took most of the profit, leave some to Foxconn (a Taiwanese company) and little to the labor. They claimed China was inhuman with one-child policy. At the same time, they accused China of polluting the earth with its huge population. The fact is the Chinese consume just 30% of energy per capita compared to the US. They claimed China underwent ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang. The fact is China has a policy which priorities ethnic minorities. For a long time, the ethnic minorities were allowed to have two children and the majority Han only allowed one. The minorities are allowed a lower score for university intakes. There are 39,000 mosque in China, and 2100 in the US. China has about 3 times more mosque per musl1m than the US. When terrorist attacks happened in Xinjiang, China had two choices: 1. Re-educate the Uighur extremists before they turned terrorists. 2. Let them be, after they launch attacks and killed innocent people, bomb their homes. China chose 1 to solve problem from the root and not to do killing. How the US solve terrorism? Fire missiles from battleships, drop bombs from the sky. During the pandemic, When China took extreme measures to lockdown the people, they were accused of being inhuman. When China recovered swiftly because of the extreme measures, they were accused of lying about the actual numbers. When China’s cases became so low that they could provide medical support to other countries, they were accused of politically motivated. Western Media always have reasons to bash China. Just like any country, there are irresponsible individuals from China which do bad things, but the China government overall has done very well. But I hear this comment over and over by people from the West: I like Chinese people, but the CPC is evil. What they really want is the Chinese to change the government, because the current one is too good. Fortunately China is not a multi-party democratic country, otherwise the opposition party in China will be supported by notorious NGOs (Non-Government Organization) of the USA, like the NED (National Endowment for Democracy), to topple the ruling party. The US and the British couldn’t crack Mainland China, so they work on Hong Kong. Of all the ex-British colonial countries, only the Hong Kongers were offered BNOs by the British. Because the UK would like the Hong Kongers to think they are British citizens, not Chinese. A divide-and-conquer strategy, which they often used in Color Revolutions around the world. They resort to low d*rty tricks like detaining Huawei’s CFO & banning Huawei. They raised a silly trade war which benefits no one. Trade deficit always exist between a developing and a developed country. USA is like a luxury car seller who ask a farmer: why am I always buying your vegetables and you haven’t bought any of my cars? When the Chinese were making socks for the world 30 years ago, the world let it be. But when Chinese started to make high technology products, like Huawei and DJI, it caused red-alert. Because when Western and Japanese products are equal to Chinese in technologies, they could never match the Chinese in prices. First world countries want China to continue in making socks. Instead of stepping up themselves, they want to pull China down. The recent movement by the US against China has a very important background. When Libya, Iran, and China decided to ditch the US dollar in oil trades, Gaddafi’s was killed by the US, Iran was being sanctioned by the US, and now it’s China’s turn. The US has been printing money out of nothing. The only reason why the US Dollar is still widely accepted, is because it’s the only currency which oil is allowed to be traded with. The US has an agreement with Saudi that oil must be traded in US dollar ONLY. Without the petrol-dollar status, the US dollars will sink, and America will fall. Therefore anyone trying to disobey this order will be eliminated. China will soon use a gold-backed crypto-currency, the alarms in the White House go off like mad. China’s achievement has been by hard work. Not by looting the world. I have deep sympathy for China for all the suffering, but now I feel happy for them. China is not rising, they are going back to where they belong. Good luck China.

[@user-zc8sq3wr9f]

You’re probably Chinese

[@bumihijau5670]

a good insight indeed. Thank you

[@thomasthomas6534]

Spoken like a true China man! Propaganda to the max!

[@yellowbeez93]

Re-educate the uighur extremists before they turned into terrorists? In Singapore, we once faced a threat from certain Malay individuals who claims to be Muslims and we caught them but NOT EVEN ONCE did we label/generalize the Malays as "Malays extremists" or sent them to so called re-education camps to prevent them from being one. You think the Muslims here or any other countries don't speak against such violence? You say there's 39 000 mosques. Impressive. But if you know there are that many mosques, why don't you ask the Imams there to guide the Uighurs Muslims from being extremes?

[@hydrakon8707]

@@yellowbeez93 we dont send them to re education camps cause the number of them that exist in singapore is so little and they just go to jail

[@nathandrake6155]

I have never been to Xinjiang or China in general. And I don't think any of the American/western politicians have been to Xinjiang either. So how can these people talk so confidently of the supposed human rights violations in Xinjiang when they've never been there? Another thing, as an American, it's hypocritical of me to criticize other governments because my governments rotten to the core. Also, it just doesn't add up. If there is a genocide going on in Xinjiang. It would be the first genocide where there hasn't been a refugee crisis. It would be the first time in modern history where satellite imagery has yet to capture mass graves, or executions, or anything that one would consider "genocidal". If your argument is that "cultural genocide" is happening. There are ten times more mosques in Xinjiang than the whole of the US. And the Uighur population is increasing. So what the West is saying just doesn't add up. Another thing is the US/Western government/media lies all the time. So how can I trust what they say?

[@chongdi6140]

There's no doubt that the US/Western governments/media lies all the time. Can only hope that the people at large have critical thinking and be as enlightened as you.

[@samuelrowe1454]

100 percent. What the West is saying doesn't add up. Also, the US lies all the time. Like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The US lies about other countries "human rights violations" and "threat to the world" all the time so they have an excuse to bully them. And the US's puppet allies always back them up.

[@lijolalichan5450]

an independent probe that proved the genocide, a 400 page leaked internal chinese document about illegal detaining and surveillance, satelite images, testimonies from hundreds of people, reports from over 50 independant global human rights activists.

[@teckchuonting4582]

👍👍👍 How beautiful it is if the world will live in peace and harmony, nations focusing on what they can do for their own citizens

[@lijolalichan5450]

@Nage Please for some reason youtube keeps deleting my comment. you can search google by typing "400 page leaked xianjiang document" and see for yourself. its available in public domain and anyone can analyse it. if the leaders needs to sanction china they can only do it with concrete evidence, and this document is what broke the cpc.

[@alterna19]

US doesn't think everyone's human, so , actually, comparing apples and oranges here.

[@q.t.gamingfamily]

That's sad but true AND it's in our constitution even today.

[@DanBurgaud]

24:24 To answer your question: USA is like a father who does not work, does not bring food to the table and tells his kids "if you are hungry, cry! I gave you the right to complain!" But China is like the father who worked hard and brings home food for his kids... Kids had nothing to complain.

[@madmanjshum]

Mate no argument there.

[@saurabh1087]

China is like the father who one day goes crazy and kills his wife and all his kids.

[@chromecobalt]

Sure, until his kids complain about something that father does down the line. Then they disappear.

[@hellopeace5675]

​@@saurabh1087 hahaha, you must so desperate to wish that come true, but it will never happen ..period.

[@spectrallines1695]

Too much compassion made America weak. Now everyone is a victim. But It certainly used to be strong.

[@choegyal100]

Talking about genocide, USA should put its hand on its heart and reflect on the tragic history of its indigenous people and Africans.

[@chromecobalt]

Well, China should put its hand on its heart and reflect on the tragic deaths during the cultural revolution.

[@jacob5061]

@@chromecobalt of course they were tragic. Those actions were not taken to specifically harm people though. It's a shame that it did and was definitely a huge mistake.

[@choegyal100]

Any numbers on how many western colonialism has killed and destroyed thousands year old culture heritages in China ?

[@chromecobalt]

@@jacob5061 You are wrong. In the beginning the killings were so brutal that Zhou Enlai begged Mao to stop. Even in later stages it happened because the 'leader' was stupid. Unintentional, maybe, but it is a crime to be stupid. Zhou Enlai said in his deathbed that he regrets ever partnering up with mao because the chinese people suffered so much.

[@sabrepulse817]

Again? What about 1989 massacre Tiananmen? What about half population of China being killed civil war?

[@DarkRanger882046]

When you come to US, you will find the human right is actually another word for Privilege of upper class.

[@annilator3000]

Exactly!

[@protogoniascension]

Not sure what you mean. I can talk shit to my government without issue.

[@spqr950]

@@protogoniascension i have not seen any beggars in Nanjing since i was 16. However there are always beggars around my university in Florida, a qualified government should do something to help them. In china, government would send people to teach them simple techniques to make a life themselves, and apartments only provided to them with really low price. The US is a far more advanced country than china, they should provide everyone of you better life.

[@rutrwer8220]

@@spqr950 what about tibet?

[@spqr950]

@@rutrwer8220 what do you mean? I have never been to Tibet. I can talk about places I've been to.

[@Utube1024]

Free Julian Assange and pardon Snowden before talking about Human Right.

[@user-kr5jl4ug9q]

This does seem like a form of tu quoque fallacy. Even if the west has got human rights abuses, this does not mean that people should not be allowed to talk about them and human rights abuses in China. Both are bad.

[@madmanjshum]

Hear hear.

[@user-kr5jl4ug9q]

@Don Drumpf In my opinion it was China that declined in human rights. They strengthened the censorship of the internet, started to blast propaganda more and started to persecute more people. And for racism in China, Chinese seem to be much more hostile than people in the US. They hate the west and the westerners with a burning passion. The unhealthy nationalism in China still increases. It won't last long until they start to dehumanize others. How can you solve problems if there is no criticism and no ability to understand other people? The way China silences criticism is counterproductive. If there won't be major problems, there will be many minor problems. But there are both. In US at least for now there is an option to discuss freely about problems. Racism in the US has got different causes than this one in China and they need to be addressed differently. The poverty, they did eliminate it. However, the definition of poverty in China is different than in other places. Being poor and rich is a relative concept. People not classified as poor in China may be classified as poor somewhere else. Crime in China has always been low, so it is not a problem. If you think that only criminals have got something to hide, other people do not, in a point when you can wrongly accused of being criminal or someone publishes information you don't want to appear, you can't have got nothing to hide. You can always trust that it won't happen, but the best thing to do is to prevent it from happening. There is no point in surveillance.

[@joo3225]

@@user-kr5jl4ug9q pls dont be ignorant, Where u heard the news of human right abuses done by China? Western media right...

[@joo3225]

@@user-kr5jl4ug9q CHECK KZbin CHANNEL REAL XINJIANG! UIHGYUR,KAZAKH,HUI PEOPLE SUPPORT CHINA BECAUSE THEY DIDNT FIND ANY WRONG DOING DONE BY CHINA? GO CHECK IT!

[@landmark3266]

Maybe it would be more interesting to invite Julian Paul Assange and Edward Joseph Snowden to talk about freedom of speech as well as human right.

[@benzi19951]

Haha

[@lacylou3482]

I think so too they spoke and the are now in prison

[@drewski1441]

I could only give you a single thumbs up.👍 Your comment deserves a thousand. The team supporting America has no idea about America and free speech. As you stated just ask Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden and Julianne Assang. As for human rights? The list of American atrocities is too much to list but they could start out with the Native Americans. 😐

[@skaracaesar4789]

It's ironic Edward Snowden living seemingly well in Russia, a country being bashed by the US day in day out, whilst the journalist Julian Assange lingers in prison for publishing the truth.

[@josephfigueira813]

☹☹🤔🤔👍

[@feizai245]

When the Chinese team debates you in your language, and you couldn't speak a word in Chinese. Rest assured they know you much better than you know them. This debate is over before it even starts.

[@tubbytuber]

Huh? US is one of the most bilingual countries in the world, and Europe even more so. Most in China speak one language. This was hardly a representative group.

[@tubbytuber]

Google it. A higher percentage of people in US speak a Chinese language than the percentage of people in China who speak English. So the debate is hardly over yet ;)

[@feizai245]

@@tubbytuber How many Chinese speaking Americans ( Chinese immigrants) has nothing to do with the fact the Chinese in this video were debating Americans in English.

[@tubbytuber]

@@feizai245 I just don't see why that is a big deal. You know, Americans also take Chinese language classes at colleges and universities here too. Not everyone but certainly tens of thousands. And many more learn other languages. It's not special.

[@cialcollins5283]

Yeah you’re right... The debate ended before it even started cuz this news network is state owned....

[@wongalex2089]

Who laughed when they heard: "If the US saw what the US was doing to the US, The US would invade the US to liberate the US from the tyrany of the US." LMAO!

[@cfos118]

That is a massive slam dunk. Enoch is a beast!

[@gregorymarshall9130]

Fun fact: it was an American that said this, because America gives Americans the right to insult America all they want without getting arrested. Can't say the same about China.

[@wongalex2089]

@@gregorymarshall9130 fun fact: your statement is so true for white Americans.but If you were black, just skip getting arrested and go straight to being shot. Am I right? Can't say that about China.

[@wongalex2089]

@Ismael Barrera yes, but let's not get misdirected by the statistic you mentioned. The more important statistic would rather be how many blacks or whites were shot WITHOUT resisting to arrest, still SHOT or KILLED when already RESTRAINED. IGNORED when crying for their life while under arrest.... I don't have that statistic. But certainly leans black to me. Perhaps Americans already deem it to be statistically insignificant to have such statistics? Would love so see the numbers if it exists.

[@cfos118]

@@gregorymarshall9130 and that's the holy grail in human rights is IT? Teach your kids to insult and bad mouth...it is true that there is not 100% freedom of speech in China, that comes with responsibility. Thing is there is an endless list of things to indult America on so Americans need that right more than anyone. The right to live and not be attacked and assaulted and killed, bullied, discriminated against seems to be totally missing in America..

[@aleethelfa9880]

The U.S human rights is definitely hypocritical ..as far as the debate the Chinese were more factual in their response.

[@FlaviusAspra]

US prioritizes money over human rights. Oh yeah, everyone has the right to do X in the US, provided they have the money! Regards from Austria.

[@stopchinesecolonialism172]

Here's 50 cents WUMAO.

[@one_song369]

Luckyly their currency is dying slowly for some time now and will be soon unimportant. Their currency is fake anyway

[@kittycatwithinternetaccess2356]

@@one_song369 because of China Joe

[@seanlee3863]

can't believe they didn't bring up the fact that the land of the free leads the world in incarceration rate....like by a long shot too

[@chromecobalt]

can't believe they didn't bring up the fact that the middle kingdom leads the world in conviction rate.... Like by a long shot too.

[@seanlee3863]

@@chromecobalt nope the land of the free still champions that... www.statista.com/statistics/262962/countries-with-the-most-prisoners-per-100-000-inhabitants/

[@seanlee3863]

@@briandavis849 yeah, still much better than putting them in the whitehouse and congress letting them run the country.

[@seanlee3863]

@@briandavis849 a group of mobsters that brought 850 million out of poverty, doesn't bomb other countries is far better than a group of mobsters that bombs brown people and puts a significant share of their own people in jail.

[@guilmarperez4674]

@@seanlee3863 great comeback!!!

[@TaTa-ce1kq]

Mass shootings and killings are the highest rights in the UasSA. Practised on a weekly basis.

[@lillyrice2241]

Seven mass shootings during the past seven days. Only the worst shootings are covered in national news.

[@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863]

oh yes definitely

[@johnregis5320]

Freedom to shoot

[@TaTa-ce1kq]

@@johnregis5320 indeed 💯% right. Live by the guns die by the guns.

[@stealthattack2209]

Imagine something like this happening on US media where the opposing side defends China or Russia lol

[@TitoTimTravels]

They did shows like this in the US, back in the 1950s. No way they would do it now.

[@aoeu256]

Does defending the US mean defending the interests of the middle class, or of the top 1%?

[@st.altair4936]

​@@aoeu256There is no "middle class" in reality. There is only the working class, who materially improve or produce things, and the capitalist class who control the means of production and the vast amounts of property that workers use to produce, yet the capitalist class controls the profits of. Some working class people being a bit richer doesn't change that. It doesn't even _compare_ to the capitalist class. *8* capitalists currently hold more wealth than the bottom 50% of the global population; *4 billion people* So given that the US, and most of the world, is currently under capitalist dictatorships (an electoral circus every few years where the choices can never be much different doesn't change that), defending the US means defending its ruling class who control all its policies.

[@erichuang2130]

China’s COVID response: No human right US’s COVID response: No human left

[@telucylu9348]

Underrated comment lmao

[@iam.Akosua]

@@telucylu9348 🤣🤣😂😭

[@drill6739]

omg

[@littleboy437]

😄😃😀🤣😂🙂🙃

[@jdemeulenaer123]

No humans left?? Wtf?

[@denisjdelgado9657]

I think both sides know that the USA is the loosing side when it comes to Human Rights !

[@XDXD-uo6uq]

@Christopher Meisner hi 💩

[@jacquelinedunford9639]

Moa killed millions of his own people, when he came to power.

[@denisjdelgado9657]

@@jacquelinedunford9639 Yes indeed, can you tell me which great country did not kill or did stupid things in the past.

[@denisjdelgado9657]

@@jacquelinedunford9639 The USA is still killing millions now !

[@Bexxxyable]

@@jacquelinedunford9639 death as a result of famine = killed? Nice logic. Compare that to the US's mass genocide of indigenous Native Americans and not to mention the millions killed in the middle east, vietnam war, Korean war etc.

[@jonhone1]

The US order the ICC investigate all incidents in all countries but never allowed to investigate its own wrong doings.

[@winchesterlyon]

Not only that. The US sanctioned the members of the ICC and revoke the visas of not only the ICC members but also all of their families.

[@hyc1266]

US does not have any "WRONG" doings. Every bombing, discrimination and etc. are justified by its own lies and standards.

[@hassu2149]

Us documents and admits it's wrongdoing more than China does and that's a fact. There's a reason journalists can't enter Tibet and xianjang without permission.

[@GavIsHti]

I'm an Indian and everyone here knows ...usa don't care about human rights or something like that..they are just taking this as an opportunity to say something bad about china on world stage...for usa it's not a fight about human rights it's about their world dominance,status or economy

[@teckchuonting4582]

You are spot on, sir.

[@xbizwang]

You are very True about Western Country👏👏👏

[@shewagdhanush1391]

But China is also starting bullying other countries 😑

[@ben10sno1fan]

@@shewagdhanush1391 well how many countries have bullied China?? HK, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Mongolia, India, Vietnam, and literal all western countries.

[@GavIsHti]

@@shewagdhanush1391 yup that's also true ..that's our matter with china...but we can't deny the fact that usa is also corrupt ...that's y india is friends with usa

[@won4151]

That blonde woman was basically wobbling she showed her fully anti China self but she got absolutely destroying answers and she got roasted.

[@human8454]

🐷🤲

[@won4151]

@@human8454 😂😂😂 look at you

[@MaxMustermann-hd4hj]

@@won4151 leave 'em m8, they dont respect your religion so dont feel addressed when they try to insult

[@frankwong1539]

Of all her team the young man with glasses was the talking point the rest are no match for the China team.

[@justsain3236]

She is half asleep and gives me a, "I'm better than everyone else here" vibe. 😂😂

[@cassandram3048]

This condescending attitude of the blonde lady this whole video is so bad and annoying this whole debate. When she comments on China educating more Xinjiang residents in Mandarin just because of oil. Xinjiang is a part of China and not a foreign country. With learning the language of the country in which a person resides more opportunities will naturally arise. This women makes no sense with her responses most of the time. From an American I also find their responses weak. If you live in the US as a low-income person which I am and the subject matter is where a lot of my research is based. Theory with people looking from the outside and reality of American freedom are two completely different things.

[@benzi19951]

You're absolutely right. You can look at my comment posted which explained.

[@geoeconomics5629]

those who control EurAsia control the World - John halford mackinder

[@清-u5o]

We have discovered a fact: The accusations made by America against other countries are often what they have done themselves. For example, the oil mentioned by this lady, and the Xinjiang blood cotton mentioned by the Americans.

[@cassandram3048]

@@清-u5o You are not wrong on that. Definitely true. The US also likes to forget about it's current crimes against humanity that it was charged with from the UN. It is nearly impossible to find a single article on it and yet at the same times they are on this high horse trying to ruin every other country. The US just likes to be "on top" even though they fall behind in everything except military. They use the military to make of for their inadequacies everywhere else. Yes, I am and American for anyone asking but I'm not blind at what is wrong with my country.

[@Leonardoaxelli]

In the 4 minute speech, the US side was arguing from the statistics. However, I wonder those statistics are based on what? Based on which ideology? We often got in trap of using one side as standards but ignore the rest.

[@janaangelicacatudan5114]

Based on the situation you are in, be open to both idea, and use what is needed. Both has good points.

[@abcabc2680]

The Proposition had argued better then the Opposition. The Opposition had a more difficult case to argue as they try to give an alternate facts like “self reflection”. Both side have done well. But it is clear that the Proposition team has won the debate as they have been more persuasive based on facts.

[@frankwong1539]

You are incorrect to say both sides have done well the team that protects American human rights failed miserably. That black woman who speaks with an accent couldn't be AA she talks all nonsense and painted a rosy picture of US human rights. The China team failed to correct her nonsense when she said the US had so many rights that even the Senate could impeach the President. Wrong! The house and the opposition impeach the President twice for his crime it was twice the Senate voted against it and set the President free. The Senate has the last call and was filled by Republicans devoted to Trump this has to change as whoever has the majority in the Senate wins.

[@willemvanwijk382]

One side: Lecturer, researcher, scholar, and president... other side: student, student, student and English debating society president (also a student)... 🤔

[@frankiechia3446]

When the opposition tries to cover up a major flaw in the US human right’s system with “self reflect”, it makes me wonder how many “self reflect” can US affort before their country turns to shit. Opposition: sorry to those 500k deaths, we’ll self reflect and bring back the people that trump fired from the pandemic response team setted up by Obama. We’ll self reflect about that fact that consuming sanitisers can fight covid. We’ll self reflect on blaming asians for covid and cause anti asian violence happening in US. We’ll self reflect on not resting our knees on people’s neck, more precisely black male. But hey, we used to have black president. 🤦‍♀️

[@GeneralLiuofBoston1911]

@@willemvanwijk382 One other thing to note: Everyone from this debate came from highly prestigious universities in China. Both Tsinghua and Peking Universities are part of the C9 League - the Chinese equivalent of American Ivy League, just to name the two most well known ones. And I did also notice another thing - both teams had members to be in the strength of that field such as the opposition having those in journalist and international fields.

[@momodoukebbeh]

@@frankwong1539 I am a black man, a Gambian and African. I think the opposition side had a daunting task in defending US human rights. I think that black girl and the three others just had to take that part because they were asked to be in the opposition side. US human rights is a total failure considering the Red Indians genocide, slavery, suppression of the civil rights movement, Black Lives Matter, US support to the minority white racist apartheid regime of South Africa and the numerous unjustified wars fought all over the world by the US in the name of democracy. If I were in the opposition I would found it difficult to debate.

[@tylermadison2073]

I wish they would bring students from he USA, to debate instead of this staged debate. They would be crushed

[@clementtan1981]

Yes, let's do it in Chinese.

[@hassu2149]

@@clementtan1981 got some questions/points for you if you're Chinese look at comment above

[@tonyatgoogle6076]

You should get a bunch of American to argue for their country, that'll be a laugh.

[@ck-bs2ms]

American vs Chinese that will be a good fight

[@Psionyc]

Look up the lecture series on justice called "What Is The Right Thing To Do?" from Harvard

[@joshianmeninzor7500]

Would b nice

[@ck-bs2ms]

@Wood floor oh! Someone is affected 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ck-bs2ms]

@Wood floor why do you have to repeat and repeat and repeat... Speechless?.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@choegyal100]

It should be noted that if NATO member countries genuinely seek to institutionalize human rights in Afghanistan and Iraqis, they have to facilitate probing war crimes in the country by the ICC. Further, the rights and dignity of Afghan and Iraqi civilians should no more be violated under the term "war on terror”

[@thedoughouse8402]

If the press in the United States was truly free then you would not have all of the press on the left saying the exact same talking points for each news topic

[@robert1200]

Because they don't

[@Billck24]

Human rights should be about human needs not wants.

[@blackiemwe1481]

Well put

[@teapotfroh5764]

good point. However, it's still hard to define what human needs are. From my point of view, it is better that the UN sets the basic standards that should be obeyed by all its members and each society has the right to define the part beyond.

[@Billck24]

@@teapotfroh5764 don't think it can be universal especially different culture & religion. But food & safety should be common across.

[@HDMoviesism]

explain what you mean

[@neweraboss5728]

Agreed. Universal Education and Universal Income to sustain capitalism and live in a modern technological world.

[@abcabc2680]

The “self reflection” has been the typical response from the the USA as a feel good response to criticism. However, in reality they have in recent years (especially the Trump administration) have deflected rather than self reflection.

[@Vienum]

It all depend on the Administration. Take for example Obama handle the Swine Flu and Ebola much better and created a pandemic crisis guideline for future outbreak. Where the Trump Administration disregard the pandemic crisis guideline from the previous Administration and didn't follow any CDC suggestion. And handle the COVID-19 even worst. Which killed over 500k+ US citizens.

[@tanzine91]

@@Vienum I think in the context of foreign policy instead of domestic one, USA never reflected but instead never shy from violating and showing aggression

[@fannybirot2362]

And Biden administration is only worse on self reflection!

[@hollymolly3608]

This is a poorly constructed debate, most probably done purposely to highlight the merits of the Chinese interpretation of human rights. Though it is not without its merits, and though it is true the US suffers from atrocious issues of human rights and inequalities within its borders, the defining difference is that the US publicly takes accountability for these issues, and makes the necessary change in course to rectify the issues, (however effective remains to be seen). When human rights issues arise in China, the typical approach is to censor it, deny it, erase from history. For an autocratic ruler cannot be seen to make apologies, be remorseful, make mistakes for it would be seen as weak. Ironically that is the weakness of such a system. And if this is not a moral issue, but rather a practical issue, as debators of the proponent argues, then the practical matter is that this approach will overtime lead to an weak society as select oppressed groups are stomped out and resentment builds among citizens for the lack of government accountability. Moreover, it creates a system where people are afraid to apologize and course correct for fear of appearing weak. Let us see how long this comment stays up for, as it is a China-controlled channel.

[@tkw3864]

Let’s debate human rights in Iraq and the US. US: Never mind, we’ve beaten up Iraq because they had weapon of massive destruction (don’t ask me where it is), and they had no human rights by the way.

[@tkw3864]

Giang Truong + 1

[@tkw3864]

Christopher Meisner is the angry loser here. Scram!!

[@owningkoning]

Pff lol you clearly dont know the brutality of saddams reign in Iraq , and how he started invading the surrounding areas , Iran, kuweit , the next on the list was Saudi-Arabia and that very country is the reason USA invaded Iraq because if Iraq managed to hold kuweit and Saudi-Arabia iraq would hold almost the entire oil trade . Thus usa joined the war if they didnt saddam would have went for the arabian penninsula , and once that happend it would become very hard to take military action thats why they mobelized troops to saudie arabia

[@tkw3864]

Erik Antonis War among Middle East countries --- whoever wins, oil stays with the Middle East. The US and European went in to 'help', beat Iraq, installed democracy --- US and Europe control the oil. Future history will say: the Christians beat the Muslims in the Middle East.

[@owningkoning]

@@tkw3864 im sorry but im missing your point , it appears you just try to write a fancy piece of text without an actual depht

[@reginaldmorton2162]

There's exactly an African promoting a European ideology of democracy, but she can't point to one single African country that is prosperous under democracy. #ados

[@loots0533]

Botswana

[@kurikoweiber5926]

Lol that really includes south america, and most of asian countries

[@Genuinepleather]

What an idiotic thing to say considering Africa is famous for being full of dictators.

[@gregorymarshall9130]

That's extremely dumb to say, given that Africa has been a haven for murderous dictators. Idi Amin, Sani Abacha, Mugabe, Biya, Charles Taylor, Siad Barre, Sekou Tourre. None of these people ruled in a democracy.

[@eugenechin2863]

@@Genuinepleather Dictators put there by US regime change..lol

[@djctai9288]

i love how the opposition are all students against literal people who head their respective departments...how about you bring more established profs and lecturers from the west

[@MissLynSanity]

I was scanning the comments to see if anyone else noticed this! It really could have been an awesome debate if the sides were equally stacked.

[@robert1200]

@@MissLynSanity This is CGTN. CGTN exists to make China, a dictatorship, look good. It does not exist to have a fair debate.

[@jonj4887]

@@robert1200 you are right, same as BBC,CNN,FOX etc.😃

[@robert1200]

@@jonj4887 None of those are state media, they're privately run. So maybe you could say that about Voice of America, but america is a democracy so you can't really

[@oiho8351]

Even with profs and lecturer from the west. They will struggle against the proposition team. Opposition just don't have a CASE backed by enough FACTS.

[@jeremiahlim2925]

This is from a Malaysian KZbinr’s comment: I’m from Malaysia. China has traded with Malaysia for 2000 years. In those years, they had been the world’s biggest powers many times. Never once they sent troops to take our land. Admiral Zhenghe came to Malacca five times, in gigantic fleets, and a flagship eight times the size of Christopher Columbus’ flagship, Santa Maria. He could have seized Malacca easily, but he did not. In 1511, the Portuguese came. In 1642, the Dutch came. In the 18th century the British came. We were colonised by each, one after another. When China wanted spices from India, they traded with the Indians. When they wanted gems, they traded with the Persian. They didn’t take lands. The only time China expanded beyond their current borders was in Yuan Dynasty, when Genghis and his descendants Ogedei Khan, Guyuk Khan & Kublai Khan concurred China, Mid Asia and Eastern Europe. But Yuan Dynasty, although being based in China, was a part of the Mongolian Empire. Then came the Century of Humiliation. Britain smuggled opium into China to dope the population, a strategy to turn the trade deficit around, after the British could not find enough silver to pay the Qing Dynasty in their tea and porcelain trades. After the opium warehouses were burned down and ports were closed by the Chinese in ordered to curb opium, the British started the Opium War I, which China lost. Hong Kong was forced to be surrendered to the British in a peace talk (Nanjing Treaty). The British owned 90% of the opium market in China, during that time, Queen Victoria was the world’s biggest drug baron. The remaining 10% was owned by American merchants from Boston. Many of Boston’s institutions were built with profit from opium. After 12 years of Nanjing Treaty, the West started getting really really greedy. The British wanted the Qing government: 1. To open the borders of China to allow goods coming in and out freely, and tax free. 2. Make opium legal in China. Insane requests, Qing government said no. The British and French, with supports from the US and Russia from behind, started Opium War II with China, which again, China lost. The Anglo-French military raided the Summer Palace, and threatened to burn down the Imperial Palace, the Qing government was forced to pay with ports, free business zones, 300,000 kilograms of silver and Kowloon was taken. Since then, China’s resources flew out freely through these business zones and ports. In the subsequent amendment to the treaties, Chinese people were sold overseas to serve as labor. In 1900, China suffered attacks by the 8-National Alliance(Japan, Russia, Britain, France, USA, Germany, Italy, Austria-Hungary). Innocent Chinese civilians in Peking (Beijing now) were murdered, buildings were destroyed & women were raped. The Imperial Palace was raided, and treasures ended up in museums like the British Museum in London and the Louvre in Paris. In late 1930s China was occupied by the Japanese in WWII. Millions of Chinese died during the occupancy. 300,000 Chinese died in Nanjing Massacre alone. Mao brought China together again from the shambles. There were peace and unity for some time. But Mao’s later reign saw sufferings and deaths from famine and power struggles. Then came Deng Xiao Ping and his infamous “black-cat and white-cat” story. His preference in pragmatism than ideologies has transformed China. This thinking allowed China to evolve all the time to adapt to the actual needs in the country, instead of rigidly bounded to ideologies. It also signified the death of Communism in actually practice in China. The current Socialism+Meritocracy+Market Economy model fits the Chinese like gloves, and it propels the uprise of China. Singapore has a similar model, and has been arguably more successful than Hong Kong, because Hong Kong being gateway to China, was riding on the economic boom in China, while Singapore had no one to gain from. In just 30 years, the CPC have moved 800 millions of people out from poverty. The rate of growth is unprecedented in human history. They have built the biggest mobile network, by far the biggest high speed rail network in the world, and they have become a behemoth in infrastructure. They made a fishing village called Shenzhen into the world’s second largest technological centre after the Silicon Valley. They are growing into a technological power house. It has the most elaborate e-commerce and cashless payment system in the world. They have launched exploration to Mars. The Chinese are living a good life and China has become one of the safest countries in the world. The level of patriotism in the country has reached an unprecedented height. For all of the achievements, the West has nothing good to say about it. China suffers from intense anti-China propagandas from the West. Western Media used the keyword “Communist” to instil fear and hatred towards China. Everything China does is negatively reported. They claimed China used slave labor in making iPhones. The truth was, Apple was the most profitable company in the world, it took most of the profit, leave some to Foxconn (a Taiwanese company) and little to the labor. They claimed China was inhuman with one-child policy. At the same time, they accused China of polluting the earth with its huge population. The fact is the Chinese consume just 30% of energy per capita compared to the US. They claimed China underwent ethnic cleansing in Xinjiang. The fact is China has a policy which priorities ethnic minorities. For a long time, the ethnic minorities were allowed to have two children and the majority Han only allowed one. The minorities are allowed a lower score for university intakes. There are 39,000 mosque in China, and 2100 in the US. China has about 3 times more mosque per muslim than the US. When terrorist attacks happened in Xinjiang, China had two choices: 1. Re-educate the Uighur extremists before they turned terrorists. 2. Let them be, after they launch attacks and killed innocent people, bomb their homes. China chose 1 to solve problem from the root and not to do killing. How the US solve terrorism? Fire missiles from battleships, drop bombs from the sky. During the pandemic, When China took extreme measures to lockdown the people, they were accused of being inhuman. When China recovered swiftly because of the extreme measures, they were accused of lying about the actual numbers. When China’s cases became so low that they could provide medical support to other countries, they were accused of politically motivated. Western Media always have reasons to bash China. Just like any country, there are irresponsible individuals from China which do bad and dirty things, but the China government overall has done very well. But I hear this comment over and over by people from the West: I like Chinese people, but the CPC is evil. What they really want is the Chinese to change the government, because the current one is too good. Fortunately China is not a multi-party democratic country, otherwise the opposition party in China will be supported by notorious NGOs (Non-Government Organization) of the USA, like the NED (National Endowment for Democracy), to topple the ruling party. The US and the British couldn’t crack Mainland China, so they work on Hong Kong. Of all the ex-British colonial countries, only the Hong Kongers were offered BNOs by the British. Because the UK would like the Hong Kongers to think they are British citizens, not Chinese. A divide-and-conquer strategy, which they often used in Color Revolutions around the world. They resort to low dirty tricks like detaining Huawei’s CFO & banning Huawei. They raised a silly trade war which benefits no one. Trade deficit always exist between a developing and a developed country. USA is like a luxury car seller who ask a farmer: why am I always buying your vegetables and you haven’t bought any of my cars? When the Chinese were making socks for the world 30 years ago, the world let it be. But when Chinese started to make high technology products, like Huawei and DJI, it caused red-alert. Because when Western and Japanese products are equal to Chinese in technologies, they could never match the Chinese in prices. First world countries want China to continue in making socks. Instead of stepping up themselves, they want to pull China down. The recent movement by the US against China has a very important background. When Libya, Iran, and China decided to ditch the US dollar in oil trades, Gaddafi’s was killed by the US, Iran was being sanctioned by the US, and now it’s China’s turn. The US has been printing money out of nothing. The only reason why the US Dollar is still widely accepted, is because it’s the only currency which oil is allowed to be traded with. The US has an agreement with Saudi that oil must be traded in US dollar ONLY. Without the petrol-dollar status, the US dollars will sink, and America will fall. Therefore anyone trying to disobey this order will be eliminated. China will soon use a gold-backed crypto-currency, the alarms in the White House go off like mad. China’s achievement has been by hard work. Not by looting the world.

[@pattonisgod26]

Bravo! This is fantastic! Nailed it on every point! 👏👏

[@jeremiahlim2925]

@Christopher Meisner Jesus rejects Europeans in bible. The Jews asked Jesus whether they should pay taxes to Caesar? Jesus looked at the coin and asked "whose face is on the coin, they answered,...Caesar. " Jesus replied "Render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar". Using Jesus doctine, everything that has China Sea in the map belongs to Xi (Caesar).

[@DunmerSG]

This was very good.

[@owen7570]

U know the history well, should post more such historical facts more, let all younger generations know the truth

[@KatariaGujjar]

The West is more or less ruled by a single group of thugs who have been gaining ground since the middle ages.

[@anilrai6918]

The debate of two different idea taking place in a very civilized way is enough for me to say china is way better when it comes to freedom of speech.

[@GavIsHti]

Arrey chacha jhuth toh kam bollo development ki baat ki hoti toh samajh aata ..freedom of speach sach main??

[@chromecobalt]

Excuse me? I can't even say anything about on that cannot be named and Im not even from China.

[@iberico8174]

@@chromecobalt You just exposed yourself, judging China from a moral position while you are not even from China. First is knowing and learning, then criticize.

[@silvermagno12345]

​@@iberico8174 I don't see you have lived in China long enough either to criticize someone else. Especially if Anil has lived so long there. Freedom of Speech he says, you say ?? LOL That's why people can't say whatever they want against their government, otherwise you disappear. In the USA people can say and protest anytime, anywhere. This FREEDOM of speech ONLY happens in the DEMOCRATIC countries. Learn the differences, please.

[@amossutandi]

@Narglar Wing no, american universities are safe spaces for politically correct thought. like anerican social media. if you deviate too much from politically correct thought, you get warned, banned or deplatformed.

[@benzi19951]

Thanks for CGTN not being biased on either side, every open-minded host as well. Both teams did a great job by not being irrational. I'm not from China nor the U.S., China won the debate in my opinion as they stated all the facts and truthful statements, the U.S. lost some points by not giving sufficient facts towards China (sometimes only pure propaganda). Besides, you can't have perfect problems solving processes and perfect outcomes. I watched a video of some Uighurs threaten to kill Han Chinese. (I'm assuming) China immediately placed them in a concentration centre. Not to kill them or torture them but to reeducate them, feed them, providing essentials needs on a daily basis and make sure the extreme thoughts are gone then Uighurs will be released. **Not a perfect solving process, but have good outcomes.** The west did was freedom first which led to thousands of people deaths and created hatred in the society. **good solving process for some people, but worse outcomes.** Freedom, it's a very abstract subject and answers are varied. There is no freedom without boundaries happened in the world, then we have to ask ourselves how many percents of freedom is freedom? 25% , 50% or 75%?

[@garrycoleman8537]

I would have liked to ask that American lady what about the human rights of Floyd when the white cop was squeezing the life out of him!!!!!!

[@gs-nq6mw]

That's wrong,stop expecting for "unbiased" information,if you think something is unbiased is because you couldnt identify the bias wich doesnt decrease the value of this video

[@yuniandryantassy4466]

@@gs-nq6mw 499

[@benzi19951]

@Delfin Todcor First of all, there is no proof about your statements you said. Second, have you seen the video posted by small part extreme muslim uyghurs that treatened to kill Han Chinese before "re-education" hapenning? I've been to China's several muslim villages. Was so hard for me to seek for pork to eat, random walls have Al-Quran written, people wear hijab, Mosques more than you think. No one there desired to complain government. They just pure looking to earn money, have fun, raise kids. Definitely not like the west mindset, EVERYTHING is conspiracy.

[@aoeu256]

I think Chinese hides their racism more so I am on US on that point.

[@junesiaheng1097]

It is true that whatever policy makes, it is about who can deliver...

[@nobodyli6543]

@@adeolafolarin319 look at the death toll in the west, tell me what cost you for so call human right?

[@Kyle_lofc]

@@nobodyli6543 rather die with freedom than live with little freedom

[@sword7872]

@@Kyle_lofc you don't live unless you have financial freedom. Those with high debt and high costs of living don't have freedom even if they live in the west.

[@sword7872]

@@Kyle_lofc tell Julian Assange, lost his freedom for exposing the truth

[@Kyle_lofc]

@@sword7872 wouldn’t the same apply to Chinese citizens? When it comes to their need for financial freedom to live. Still need money in their society don’t you? I’m genuinely asking here, not trying to trap ya

[@ABritishRefugeeinChina]

This debate is a bit too amateurish. I'd like to see Einar Tangen and Kishore Mahbubani face off against Mike Pompeo and Tom Cotton and watch them crush the Americans in a proper debate.

[@brewskimckilgore6796]

death 2 amerika!!! (on the debate stage)

[@KatariaGujjar]

How about Noam Chomsky versus all presidents of past 60 years?

[@Ice-Black-Coffee]

Why dont you wish S. Hussein dabte G. Bush?

[@manwdashade]

Correction: China lifted 850 million out of poverty per World Bank.

[@mboihk3796]

The winners are the proposition. The opposition side arguments are full of opinion without factual basis and they seems to have nothing much to argue. I've many points to argue them as well.

[@benb5891]

yup they don’t have fact they got their emotion and feeling by brian wash,what is and coming forming the media.considering the fact that china and the rest of the world have been bomb suppression slavery rss stolen for decades after decades.with all the taking advantage of and yet that manage to survive overcame and almost to catch up.only way USA is staying ahead of others is by bombing them.can you imagine if the world never got bomb like vietnamese korean laos china..like not been colonized wars if white or Spain never set foot on these country like war..each part or continent USA OR western enter chaos and wars pursue..this is not accusations but is facts...can you imagine if USA freeze and Westerner at pause and give the rest of the world 50-75 years moments and head start how advanced would the rest will catch up if not already surpass usa way far ahead!! that’s what USA and it western partner down to other by putting then at pause kinda way..bomb sanctions incite chaos infiltrated and divide party of other nations.anyway i’m off subject.

[@willemvanwijk382]

One side: Lecturer, researcher, scholar, and president... other: student, student, student and debate team president (also a student)... 🤔

[@清-u5o]

@@willemvanwijk382 Where did you get this information?

[@anilrai6918]

😂 that blond girl looked wise but when choose to start her debate with corruption i just lost it.

[@dchacha4]

You know what, I believe the US did not have reality examples but more academic theories hehehe

[@amossutandi]

she was excellent in role playing; the arrogant way of presenting factless talking points as if they're pearls of wisdom.

[@xwah5016]

She was playing a role lolll. She delivered it well

[@dchacha4]

@@xwah5016 guy she is a Russian or close, she never wanted to push the questions against human right hard. I get her, and damn she seems like a boring person saying great job to the Chinese side lol. I am still laughing. I want more of such debates

[@frankwong1539]

I am sorry, but your assessment of people is poor on the contrary she looks dumb as in her response. My opinion is victory on China's team and I think you also arrived at the same conclusion.

[@thewaterway6347]

Anil Rai, I totally agree, you have made a very strong point here, if China is not a place of freedom of speech, this debate wouldn’t be happening. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 good point n thank you for point it out.

[@john1425]

Oh yeah? I dare you to run a newspaper reporting on the genocide against Uighurs in china. Well see how much freedom you have in a concentration camp having your organs harvested and sold by the government.

[@john1425]

You know Chinese arent allowed to access KZbin in China right?

[@narmyjenisha5555]

@@john1425 you do know that they have their own sns media right?? Or you think that all individual HAVE to use western medias leaving the people that can't speak english to forcefully learn it instead of peacefully use the application where you can use your own language. You can even download it, its called weibo Don't be ignorant first really learn how china works and what really happens and then talk.

[@john1425]

@@narmyjenisha5555 YOU DO KNOW its censored and people who say the wrong thing on it get put in concentration camps where they see tortured, sexually abused, and have their organs harvested right??? Why dont you educate me about the genocide against the Uighurs since your so informed and i have so much to learn? The CCP is the closest thing weve seen to nazi Germany since WW2 and its going to be a blight on the history of China just like the nazis are for germans.

[@john1425]

@@narmyjenisha5555 Try typing Tieneman Square into your Chinese KZbin and see what happens.

[@智障-k1s]

Gaokao is one of the fairest ways. Rural kids can study really hard and get into top universities in China like tsinghua which is even ranked high amongst the world. Meanwhile in the US, just having good test scores isn’t gonna get you into top Universities like Harvard, MIT etc.

[@ralphconnell7361]

Yes, because Americans want well rounded kids in their Universities. They don't want workaholics who know nothing but study study and study. How dull life must be for them.

[@ribenguniang]

In America, people with low income cannot afford to go to university at all...

[@ralphconnell7361]

@@ribenguniang In America, universities are generally insanely high class. You must pay private institutions that excel in teaching. If you don't have money, more than a dozen states offer free colleges or you can be granted a scholarship.

[@ribenguniang]

@@ralphconnell7361 whahh! More than a dozen out of 51! In a developped country you get access to high education for free (or nearly for free) everywhere in that country.

[@ralphconnell7361]

@@ribenguniang Over a dozen out of 51 is pretty good. On top of this, even more than a dozen provide not free but very cheap colleges. America isn't your rich daddy. It's competitive, seeks hard work and multiple skills unlike China which only focuses on study study study.... America is also much more rewarding if you make it. People praise gaokao but people are committing suicide over the test which is worse than what standard of quality test or fairness a situation may offer! Brutal.

[@rosscrich3]

I think China wins when it comes to human rights. The reason I say this is that I think first and foremost in order to have human rights everyone must be able to live, work and raise their families in a safe and peaceful environment. And that is where China is very successful. The Chinese government is doing an amazing job caring for its citizens. I think one of the problems we have here in the US is what I call, “freedom extremism”. What I mean by that is that Americans believe they have the freedom to pretty much do whatever they want. We have freedom of speech but it has become more like the freedom to lie. The freedom to lie has infected our politicians to a point that when voting for our politicians we cannot even do so with a truly informed decision because of all of the lies. Many are voting for individuals that can tell the best lies and get away with it. Not because they are qualified. We have freedom of religion and that is fine until now we have many religious organizations in our country that is getting involved into politics trying to force their particular religious beliefs on others. And also if you look back on the history of the US and other western countries and the Middle East, probably millions of innocent people have died in the name of religion. We have the 2nd Amendment, the right to bear arms. And because of this thousands of innocent lives are lost every year because of gun violence. And that to me is a human rights violations. And those are just a few examples. Freedom can be a good thing until the freedom of one person, or a particular group of peoples freedom, takes away the freedom of another person or another group of peoples freedoms. And unfortunately that happens throughout American society. Maybe another time we can talk about, “Democracy extremism”. Where some believe there is only one way to govern and will destroy other countries in the name of democracy. But I’ve already written too much so I will stop here.

[@kub1353]

I find it funny that US cared so much about freedom of speech, but private companies in the US can take away the freedom of speech from the President of the United States.

[@lillyrice2241]

They discussed the US bombing/destroying dictatorships such as Libya, Yemen etc and leaving a failed state with immense loss of life and suffering in its wake.

[@lulucas2759]

Very good idea.

[@Genuinepleather]

@@kub1353 If you think about it in a way that's the ultimate freedom. The president can create his own website and speak all he wants. If this happened in China, you would be in jail.

[@kub1353]

@@Genuinepleather no China will just ban that that company from operating in China. Parlor was a very popular right/ conservative site. Those same leftist whom have monopolized the internet's bandwidths and website hostings shut down Parlor. It shows even the president of the United States is powerless and just a figure that can get kicked around. That put the image of the United States at the lower end of the stick in the global stage. Ultimate freedom comes at a cost.

[@samuelchin885]

Common sense You guys miss the good points China doesn't have freedom of speech. And lots of prisoners of politicians in jail Please!!🙏❤

[@Gi-Home]

The host was very gracious as would be expected of a CGTN host, clearly China is by far the stronger for human rights. I felt sorry for the USA side, they didn't have a chance and essentially lost on all points. The China team was basically shooting ducks in a barrel, it was a slaughter.

[@sxdrujandis]

In defense of the democracy human rights team, I don't find equal footing in the subject of pointing out US human rights violations such as bad cops, or bad politicians, or government corruption as most of those cases in China are highly covered up and discussing them is considered the crime of spreading rumors and causing civil unrest (apology for not the exact definition of that crime). Not an equal argument IMO, China clearly has is own share of examples of human rights violations which could compare to USA's bad record... I'm fairly confident that Chine prisons guards can beat the crap out of an inmate for giving him a wrong look and would never be investigated against.

[@fangshuma8969]

@@sxdrujandis for the corruption issues, if you make a comparison of both countries with the same standard, the western politations are not better. It is called corruption in China, but it is political contribution in the US, which is totally legal. 60% of the criminal population is in the US. There are bad cops in China, but much less than those in the US. By the way, spreading rumors in China is mostly fine, until it caused economic or other damages.

[@Gi-Home]

@@sxdrujandis I suspect that you have never visited China, I lived and worked in China and I can assure you that human rights are front and center of China's policy. People are actually freer in China than in the USA, the slave labor of American prisons does not exist in China. The standards in China for what constitutes corruption are far stricter in China. Extreme poverty has been eliminated in China and the middle class is growing larger and wealthier every year. In the USA you are free to be poorer and poorer every year and your middle class is shrinking rapidly. USA has invaded or toppled the governments of over 80 countries in the last 100 years, you can't name one that China is responsible for. Like nazi Germany of the 1930's the USA is villifying and demonizing China. The USA is addicted to making endless lies against other countries essentially the USA is run by White supremacist. Things didn't work out too well for the Germans in the 1940's and it won't work out well this century either. Rascism and xenophobia is a sublte thing most people afflicted with this defect are unaware of their biases, hopefully you will review your ignorant views, reflect and set yourself a goal of being a decent human being. Without a doubt you are a product of a rascist upbringing but it is never too late to change.

[@irone7050]

@@sxdrujandis are you trying to imply all chinese prison guards as such? chinese cops don't even patrol around with their gun so i'm fairly confident you are spewing bs.

[@asahiglass]

Just because you have the freedom to own gun doesn’t mean that u have the right to be shot when protesting. What kind of excuse is that?

[@Zero-hh9ry]

We have to add the fact the Chinese were speaking a foreign language

[@planbbkk5876]

hahahahaha all of them aren't native speaker. Dumb!

[@MWENDA-vv5im]

"Oh Liberty, what crimes are committed in thy name!" -Madame Marie Jeanne Roland

[@jackliu5690]

@Christopher Meisner when pointing a finger at others, bare in mind the other four point at yourself.

[@jackliu5690]

@Christopher Meisner enjoy while it last, your unspoken privileges that is young man, the world will be your oyster no more.

[@jackliu5690]

@Christopher Meisner good talk , stay safe, wear ur mask.

[@kckoay5562]

“The right to vote, to assemble, to protest, and to express themselves,” should never be an absolute rights. Not when the principle and practice transgress into the liberty of others. That is not one’s de facto rights! An indiscriminate promotion of such rights, is in fact a major root cause of the dysfunction in the American society today. In fact, there’s now more awareness and debates in the Congress that unfettered expression of opinions through social media or other platforms must be reined in. Similarly, one the global front, a country cannot impose or dictate to another country that, “we don’t like your political system,” or “you can’t buy gas from Russia, or oil from Iran.” But unfortunately, to Washington, the “rules-based international order” means the “US-led liberal international order”. To the hegemon, in the guise of the United States, might is right. It believes that it can do what it wishes unchallenged - even if its action is in fact unjustified. But conspicuously, the meaning of ‘liberalism’ should not be expanded to include barriers to trade and protectionism; and much less, the imposition of one’s whims and fancies onto the others. That is not liberalism!

[@isaac8706]

Funny how you can say so much yet have it mean so little. As soon as you said “the right to vote,assemble, protest and express themselves should never be an absolute right when it transgresses into the liberty of others.” That’s when I knew you probably aren’t thinking your answers through. In a society my actions are always going to affect someone else’s life whether it be for good or bad. When the government ensures these freedoms, all they’re doing is guaranteeing that you are able to exercise these freedoms to change the society you live in as you see fit.

[@Thetinebroken]

The Left is not Liberal

[@owningkoning]

@@isaac8706 i advice you to check and click on every channel that posted a comment under this video. You will see all these accounts i checked so far all their past 4 comments they made (and you can see if you click on them) are all related to china and them praising china and demonizing the west. Idk about you but do you know how unlikely it is that from 1000commenters on a video they all are fanatics china supporters lol , not a single persons previous last comment was related to something non politcal, like a comment about a game or a tv show or a hobby or food or whatever NOT A SINGLE ONE lol. So thats why i decided to reply this to you to confirm what you just said it looks like the majority of comments here are fake/trolls that only spread pro china rant .

[@Doublelabrys]

Y’all aren’t the first to make this argument. The nazis prided themselves on their autocratic system and all the economic gains Germany made in the 30’s. When autocracy works it can lead to better economic outcomes, the problem is it often stops working well, and then nothing can be done to change it. At that point the nightmare of autocracy truly begins.

[@Thetinebroken]

@@Doublelabrys are you calling who what

[@OneLifeZ4]

As an American, the Chinese won the debate. Our university had lost it way and these Americans foreign policy students have lost touch with the majority Americans, these students only apply what they’re learn in class but never have experiences and interact with real Americans especially on the street these students would be afraid to come down and see what’s going on in the street of America, while China welling to go on the street and talk to all class/society of peoples.

[@majorkeith9733]

A very interesting debate of human rights in the US and China but in the end I think the proposition delivered a more compelling argument supporting the lifting of 700 million people out of poverty through collective rights rather than individual rights. In my opinion, the proposition team is the winning team having presented a cogent argument in support of the topic "Which country's definition of human rights support humans more?"

[@twopercentflat4766]

TBH, I think this is one of the best videos on this channel. I don't like CGTN and all the lies etc. But this was a bit more interesting a fairer. Though I do think they purposefully chose a weak opposition. And god do I hate the first presenter on the proposition.

[@RhyliezthUniverse]

@@twopercentflat4766 first of all you make an afirmative statement about lies that isnt true. Second, yes its interesting, but your personal impresion about cgtn mitigates that if you assume that all posted are false due to your impression as also your impresion..which is more based in an opinion than anything else. Also asuming that they tried to purpose a weaker oposition.. so under what circunstances you give them credits?

[@meebo000]

RhyliezthUniverse dude just look up for yourself every single Video CGTN uploads onto KZbin, there’s absolutely no apposing sides. Everything they post is to boast pro Chinese nationalism. Everyyyy single video they post has an agenda. Are you really that blind to your own countries corruptness? You all loveee to say “oh the US can’t tak when they have all these atrocities” except we all KNOW and don’t support these things. None of these US killings or wars are anything secret or hidden......the Chinese govt sponsored CGTN doesn’t even ALLOW their citizens to know of their atrocities

[@bigmike956]

Disagreed

[@bigmike956]

@@meebo000 we expose our corruption for what it really is. Conservatives know this.

[@fangshuma8969]

The Pakistani lady is beautiful and smart at the same time.

[@pohchooguan2977]

Why she Run away from her country

[@fangshuma8969]

@@pohchooguan2977 She is an international student. Did you watch the debate?

[@RhyliezthUniverse]

@@pohchooguan2977 why your brain rans away of you?

[@jarazy1232]

The Pakistani lady was brilliant

[@tengteng4076]

The Pakistani lady maybe smart but she was blind... Because of her hate of India, she chose to be used by china

[@itsaboutchina732]

Wang Yuhang’s closings remarks makes me think that after his American education and return to Tsinghua University he never left the campus because he also has no idea what is happening in China.

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

The only right i need is the right to have affordable housing, affordable healthcare, quality education and quality public transportation. I wonder who would win this.

[@kub1353]

Exactly. Everything else, I'll pay those businesses to enjoy for leisure.

[@alexanderaddaiboateng169]

@@kub1353 it's obvious China wins in these regard US is a profit based economy, China's affordable and May rank no. 1 among the developed countries

[@blacktrufflesalami7821]

The clear winner is obviously China, that's a no brainer.

[@hassu2149]

@@alexanderaddaiboateng169 huh? Look up Chinese homelessness rate. Look up what "bringing them out of poverty" means in the words of the world bank. Bringing 800million above $1.90/day (which is now $5.50 since 800million started 40years ago) is not as impressive as you think.

[@madmanjshum]

It would be really interesting if: ''Half way through the debate the teams had to swap sides and argue for the opposite proposition''.

[@adamiskandar5107]

I think professional debaters could do that quite easily, but seeing how the proposition side are so passionate and genuine in their arguments, I doubt they would perform well....unless they were all hypocrites?

[@Lu5ck]

@@adamiskandar5107 If they can't do that, it means they are not objective. If they are not objective, that means they are bias. Bias debate isn't a debate but an argument you have with you family that end up with no conclusion.

[@madmanjshum]

@@adamiskandar5107 Agree with you totally. The most challenging aspect would be how each member of the teams had to rebut the very arguments they had presented as the opposition in the first half of the debate. However it be interesting and fun to watch. Cheers

[@dyrectory_com]

Yes, then this will be an exercise in developing debating and rebuttal skills. There is a time and place for this type of exercise too.

[@evdata2459]

@@Lu5ck No, a bias is an opinion without facts. They had their opinion and stated clear concise facts to back it up. That's no bias.

[@AfricaNetworks-dq4co]

Human Rights here, Human Rights there, they are all CONSTRUCTS, likewise Democracy. It’s rather unfortunate the Rights of a State or Nation, to punish, resocialize, or send a citizen to Prison for a duration of time was left out of the debate. The comment, assertion, statement or proposition:“Rights have to be earned” has some Shortcomings. This needs clarification and explanation. Is this a Chinese philosophical thought?? Well, I am personally not certain that thoughts regarding US human rights in conjunction with their democracy will prevail, why? because it is partial.

[@eugenelem83]

Veronica's going to move to america for a little while and have her position changed by the realities of america

[@zhizheng9276]

She said those just because she was taking the opposition side

[@Juninzone]

When she's met with Police brutality in America she's gonna learn quick.

[@najialqhfa7231]

The Chinese side, highly educated and informed, that is human right, from Yemen

[@marynima9684]

Tibetan in Tibet have no human rights under CCP

[@marynima9684]

They should invite Tibetan students

[@alamm.n.1723]

I've lived for more than 60years. I never have a real necessity for democracy except my vote needs by politicians for their job. From time to time, it never for the benefit of me nor the people. It's only for their job and the party. So my conclusion Western democracy is only the method for politicians to find jobs not more. I don't really know how China election but since before the covid, I traveled 4-6 times a year to china, I found out that, the government really really doing their job over there. 30 years ago, I brought Sewing Machine as gift to Chinese, now they offer me, do I need some money.. so go to hell with democracy..

[@jonj4887]

let me guess...are you from Indonesia?

[@chillian1985]

@@jonj4887 so let me guess are u from the US? black lives matter? in my eyes, ALL LIVES MATTER! doesnt matter what colour of your skin! u better wake up from US hegemy

[@petronilobuan4648]

Any Freedom and Any rights must have the element of responsibility without it becomes license theres no absolute Freedom and Rights the majority of the common Good super ceded any Freedom and any kind of individual rights this is how Asian people view what is Rights.

[@chnlng00]

Isn't China one of the worst rated countries when it comes to human rights?

[@tingwang9465]

I like the arguments presented by Zoon Ahmed Khan, the Pakistan girl in the proposition team. And also Enoch Wong’s delivery.

[@loots0533]

But she somewhat contradicts her own argument. She starts off by American human rights record is poor because they start they kill terrorists in her own country and that accidentally innocent people are killed. Then later she defends the re-education camps in Xinjiang saying that the stop terrorism in China. But exactly on that point she doesn’t say what China has done to stop terrorism that is exported from her country, Afghanistan and other countries across the world. Enoch Wong arguments is also flawed by the opposition team is poorly chosen and highly debatable when in fact they have lived in democratic nations. A large part of Enoch argument is that human rights start with being able to feed yourself or have shelter. This is off course a very low bar because you get all of this if you go to jail. But if the both the proposition or opposition team understand western values they would realize that given a choice, people would rather starve and have no home than to be a slave or be in jail. Enoch also doesn’t talk as too how many people willingly left the rural areas to live near the cities. Or also how many of them are separated from their families as a result. I think the biggest question is whether those people, if they had a choice, would prefer to go back to their rural homeland. As you well know, when a piece of land has been handed down to you for generations then it comes with great responsibility. It’s very difficult for me to imagine these people willingly gave up land that their ancestors looked after for generations.

[@zhidom8099]

@@loots0533 wow your so off. First she defends the re-education camps in Xinjiang saying that to stop terrorism in China. Now you got to know china capture suspicious people they are in the terrorism which is mostly male. First your house and family aren't being bombed. 2nd after you done being re-educated without those extremes terrorism mindset,they can be graduated and later to become a teacher, resturant worker,etc basically a second chance. That is what I call as human right instead airstrike boom boom child without parent , no shelter and food. They is by far much more humane way to deal with terrioism. Of course u can think bomb them is better choice whatever. And even if the re-education camp has deaths, of course it has, especially those with an extreme terrorist mindset with no cure will be put in death. But now you compare the death numbers of both sides. China's method has much much much less death than airstrikes. Now dealing with those extreme issues like a person in jail for looting or killing, you gotta know that's also limits the prisoners freedom like staying in jail as in camps. But China is much more humane overall. So America shouldn't even have the audacity to point that china’s nose about human rights. Now on the second part you probably don't hear that he said it's an option for them to leave their poor side area or not. The communtist party of China is NOT there to BEG you to please move into an area close to the city or not. Its fucking hilarious you even said that out. For example a 8 -12year old has an opportunity to be in the city or closer to have better living conditions or education. Now let me tell you that it's almost 9999.9% chance grandparent/parent will want their grandson or sons to have better living conditions. And that doesn't mean that kids or family are banned from traveling back. You can visit them anytime however you want to. I mean it's common sense. That is why you see a poor rural area where there are barely any young people, much of them are old. A grandma that lived in that place for 70 years can of course stay in the rural area. And their grandson or son can go back and visit them like new year,birthday,etc. HOWEVER they want.

[@Taensheara]

Yes because u r Chinese lol

[@lorency7183]

I have a problem with you NAR I wrote to TREC 2019 my name Loren Yera in Houston Texas you have false accused me I understand your a big lobbyist group in Washington but am pissed my right and constitution and civil rights have violated by 25 American government agencies. I challenge you to discredit what saying . My life has alter from minute I filed a complaint TREC Houston

[@kiraMTL]

Human rights is very complicated issues, in the west even the killer have human right. Very sad for the family who lost there beloved.

[@MikenNinginThai]

So, in your eyes anyone who commits a "crime" is a criminal? Totally disregarding the environmental conditions that led the person to commit a crime cause that is irrelevant? Yep you have been fed the CAPITALIST bs hook line and sinker..... so now if one is for "human rights" you can not put conditions on it so just where are these human rights and who says what they are? I think the whole idea is all bs this should of been "CAPITALISTS LAW OF RIGHTS DO'S AND DONT'S"

[@zhidom8099]

@@MikenNinginThai Dude ..no matter what the person has gone through there is never an excuse to kill people. Maybe I guess unless the person is being forced to kill. But the majority of the case isn't like that. Again as I said no matter what isn't an excuse to kill a person. Like your gf break up, both parent passes away, or even mental issue. Especially a mental issue person owning a gun I rather all mental issue people to get suicide if they are uncure and ban guns from those crazy. And no matter what once that metal issue person killed a father, a mother, son, etc you can never do anything back in return. A sorry is USELESS Even that dude ends up in jail so what or even execution so what. That dude is an unknown from your life and guesses what you lose a precious loved family member that is never able to return

[@davadh]

Very true. In the US, you can literally buy insurance that would allow you to shot someone and still get money from it. It's insane

[@ap5672]

@@MikenNinginThai yes someone who commits a crime is a criminal regardless of their past conditions. Their past may get them a lighter sentence or an acquittal, however they became a criminal as soon as the crime is committed. isn't this common sense?

[@Supermariocrosser]

Especially when innocent people are convicted.

[@jacksonwong90]

China east demorracy has much more freedom than singapore , ughurs in xinjiang do not have any complains . China esst democracy leads its people out of poverty . Usa west democracy leads its people into poverty guaranteed .

[@alanfriesen9837]

As an American I think self-reflection is one of our weak points. We get politically entrenched into the ideology of one political faction or another and we refuse to see any realities that we don't like, and consequently we fail to learn from our mistakes. Right now we're dealing with the kind of gun violence that no other developed nation sees. We've known that changes are necessary since the Columbine incident in 1999, but we fail over and over to make those necessary changes because of our political animosity with ourselves. In the rare instances that both sides of the political spectrum identify the same problem, there is no agreement on how to deal with it. The one exception seems to be an agreement that the solution to dealing with our collapsing living standards is to blame China for all of our economic failings. This, of course, is a textbook example of a failure to self-reflect.

[@landmark3266]

As a Chinese,I would say that it was the post-war international order established by the United States caused the United States to end today. The US benefits from the international division of labor and the hegemony of the U.S. dollar and obtain huge global benefits, but the uneven distribution of wealth in the United States has led to 1% of the population holding a large amount of wealth. This is not China's fault. The current US approach is to blame China and fight against China who is just following the international order by the United States.

[@kwongdavis7468]

In the US Declaration of Independence it says : “ All men are created equal “ What a joke !

[@lorency7183]

I have a problem with you NAR I wrote to TREC 2019 my name Loren Yera in Houston Texas you have false accused me I understand your a big lobbyist group in Washington but am pissed my right and constitution and civil rights have violated by 25 American government agencies. I challenge you to discredit what saying . My life has alter from minute I filed a complaint TREC Houston

[@richardellis4049]

I've been a citizen of the United States my whole life and I think the Asian culture and what you have is correct I feel out of place where I have for a very long time since I could remember as a child I think that shelter food and own personal freedoms but the collective should always remain

[@vitalis]

I saw the blonde girl's condescending face, I watched the debate, I came to the conclusion that sometimes yes you can judge a book by its cover.

[@christopheribarra1170]

The black girl though. The first time she talked really hit because you could see them get more aggressive after her.

[@bigmike956]

You really can’t because you wouldn’t understand. Judging by its cover is a very stupid move.

[@Frharlee]

You could tell that she and the other members of the US team were restricted from discussing further things

[@ritayeoh3620]

China is One Country & Mandarin is the National Language ...so everybody in China must know

[@calisthenicsnoob9990]

The most important aspect of democracy inorder for it to work is that people need to have critical thinking. But it is what most people in USA and Canada and most of the western countries lack in 2021.

[@petermcgill3169]

Respect China..from Thailand👍😍

[@johnd87]

Or else....

[@jjhope5041]

The group supporting America is as much as a joke & disgraceful as Trump!!! What a sad debate...

[@dlfields8429]

How difficult it was for those four brilliant young adults to defend the US on the subject of human rights.

[@rap3208]

very difficult because the other side came prepared and everything they said was true - they really can't defend the US on the subject of human rights. Maybe they went there expecting to just say China does not respect human rights and everybody will agree. All they had going was the whole world was conditioned by the US and its media by decades of anti-China propaganda that China is the king of human rights violation. But if you really break it down and analize human rights US vs China point by point, the US comes out the loser.

[@ESWATzero]

Here's the question : what is the definition of "human rights"? Do we humans see each other equally?

[@GavIsHti]

I like this topic ..this should b the first thing to talk about ..everyone pretend but no believes that or follows that in their hearts

[@kub1353]

@N003 The US also have concentration camps for the American Japaneses during WW2. Even tried to erase that part from history also.

[@ckokloong]

Give the opposition some credit. They trying to convince people the earth is flat; you try argue as the opposition. Both side is practicing the art of debate which I think is good. Friendly debate is always a good thing.

[@bigmike956]

Nothing what you said was friendly at all. It was disrespectful.

[@bigmike956]

Go ahead and throw us more lies. You’re great at it 👍.

[@peterreber7671]

Hold people accountable? China relieves thousands of officials of their duties because of inadequate COVID-19 management despite overall excellent COVID numbers. To my knowledge in the West the number of censured officials is zero in the face of abysmal patient and death numbers.

[@Michael-kv9pp]

It's a no brainer that the proposition team won. Actually feel sorry for the other team with no ammunition to fire back.

[@中華傲訣]

I just started to watch this video. To me , human rights is to be provided with good governance which in turn will provides jobs to everyone, good housing policies, good education, good Medicare, all the great social benefits ( not welfare benefits).

[@chromecobalt]

Great. I agree. China has below decent wages on average, terrible housing policies on income basis, sub par education, bad medicare, and I do not know enough about the social benefits so I cannot comment on that one. EVERY country has those problems

[@ismefate5857]

@@chromecobalt

[@hassu2149]

What do you think about freedom of expression? Freedom of movement? Right to not be arbitrarily detained, searched or imprisoned? I'm sure there's more I can name

[@中華傲訣]

@@hassu2149 Freedom of expression or movement is human right and everyone should be entitled to them . However, there are certain grey areas which should not to be crossed and must be curtailed or there will be serious consequences. For eg, freedom to criticise other's religion and race should not be allowed and offenders must be given warning as these touch on the sensitive raw nerves of ppl and might ignite a conflict between 2 different races or with different religious backgrounds.Repeated offenders must be charged. Freedom of movement during lockdown must not be allowed as spread the virus will be rampant if people breaks the lockdown rules.

[@stealthattack2209]

36:00 "No country's health system is ready for the pandemic". Is that so? Did 500,000+ die in China? Also amigo, you can't have a permanent system to face pandemics. You will always rely on volunteers in such extreme situations.

[@lloydglyn6831]

China won this debate in my opinion, very good I would like to see another debate by China tv

[@willemvanwijk382]

One side: Lecturer, researcher, scholar, and president... other: student, student, student and debate team president (also a student)... 🤔

[@yyygggfff]

Proposition team is a clear winner. I even feel their anger of how bad US’s human rights situation is right now

[@robertworsham7433]

The correct answer is none of the above😏 every country violate human rights in their own creative way..

[@aditi8254]

If we are to chose who actually won the debate, Clearlyyyyyyyyyyyyy the Chinese side won. The Chinese side's statements were based on strong facts while the other side stated everything on the basis of 'assumptions'. CGTN should totalllyyy bring episodes like this often. This was amazing!!!!!

[@owningkoning]

@Rajat Upadhyaya hey i advice you to check and click on every channel that posted a comment under this video. You will see all these accounts i checked so far all their past 4 comments they made (and you can see if you click on them) are all related to china and them praising china and demonizing the west. Idk about you but do you know how unlikely it is that from 1000commenters on a video they all are fanatics china supporters lol , not a single persons previous last comment was related to something non politcal, like a comment about a game or a tv show or a hobby or food or whatever NOT A SINGLE ONE lol. So thats why i decided to reply this to you to confirm what you just said it looks like the majority of comments here are fake/trolls that only spread pro china rant .

[@jesseibarra5038]

Tf no. Let's its citizens possess firearms

[@owningkoning]

@Soulwalker Young oh and how is your comment in anyway dissproving mine? You talk about trolls making Covid accounts that post in the free internet? Yeah whats your point? Chinese wont even have the chance to read it lol cuz theyre hiding behind their restricted internet but the CCP does feel the need to post media on the unrestricted internet. They decide the narrative they put forward.

[@owningkoning]

@Soulwalker Young thats not how things work my man , i hold no hatred towards the chinese im just making observation and share them . I can very well accept people who share a positive view about china it just becomes rather obvious when people speak to overly positive while being condescending about everything else western. And according to my observation i found out that this is exactly the case , you can clearly see that the majority of comments made by these commenters on multiple videos are all comments praising china or demonizing the west , idk about you but according to me those are signs of blind hatred , or malicious intent . It means that every person who commented on this video spent all their previous comments on political videos and more specificaly either praising china or demonizing the west......EVERY COMMENT. You know how unlikely that is in the real world ? So dont come knocking at my door with statements that im "brainwashed" because these very commenter are part of the washing or are totally brainwashed themselves. Whenever things look to good to be true it most likely isnt , normal people dont act like fanatics or ultra nationalists. So yea i know for almost certain that the majority of comments are written by chinese nationals .

[@aditi8254]

@@owningkoning so according to you guys everyone who talks about China is either 'a bot' or 'China fanatic' orrr as far as 'a spy' ? I am actually out of words to describe your perspective. I did not comment in this very video to start an argument with anyone. It was my 'singular' opinion i drew after watching the whole video and it was you guys who picked an issue out of it. calling me a 'bot' or a China fanatic. What do i say about it now? honestly, i don't even feel the need to defend myself against your opinion on me. But let me tell this to you, you guys puling an individual down for just putting their opinion on the internet shows how disgusting you guys are. i am sorry if i sound harsh, but honestly it is very shameful of you guys to attack at someone who had nothing to do with you at all. anyway, have a great day!

[@irritatedanglosaxon1705]

Tsinghua U?? Wow.. All of them come with brain surely, this is interesting..I would save this for tomorrow morning

[@manist721]

China does not know the meaning of human rights properly

[@Banmuyuan]

The middle class is shrinking in the US, and maternity leave is the worst among developed countries, unions are in steady decline.

[@chuamengkim6020]

Middle class is shrinking in USA , only the top 20% has human rights , the rest are struggling . This is HUMAN RIGHTS !

[@blitzmalcolm]

This is very embarrassing trying to defend America human rights record. My black sister is on the wrong side of the argument.

[@MelaninMagdalene]

Forgive my sisters for being on the wrong side of history

[@blitzmalcolm]

This was very painful to watch. But I enjoy the debate. I welcome more debate like this. I think it's a good thing for the world to learn about the different in systems

[@richardtaylor9851]

Yes you are free in the USA to starve, free to beg in the streets, free to get ripped off over health care, free to be discriminated against, ect,

[@paullang1429]

Why that 2 Asian represented US team didn't mentioned Asian hated crime is on the rise ,Asian got murdered brutally, when this debate happen just 5 hrs ago. What the role of their responsibilities in US as Stated call Asian American

[@Genuinepleather]

Because this has nothing to do with the people of China or US, but the governments and policies of these governments.

[@BenjiSun]

US accountability is only when they feel their need to show "empathy", right? the 2nd guy is saying "right" as a tactic while saying completely shallow and incorrect points, right? a "self-reflection" policy after military operations in the middle east, right? what self-reflection, right? the CCTV network? did the government of London take into account people's rights before creating their mass surveillance network of facial recognition? how many so-called democratic nations in the work have tracking and mass surveillance along their highway network? who's he trying to impress here? right?

[@transphoria]

It's funny how a country without freedom of speech is debating, and what's more shocking is the ignorance from the other side.

[@biomed2886]

out of the 8 participants in this debate, ms khan from parkistan impresses me the most. but overall, this debate has clearly delineated the differences between the viewpoint from each side. well done!!

[@caleblu7119]

This is a debate, don't take it too serious. The side that you argue for is not necessarily what you truly believe. It's just for the sake of debate, you have to bring up some points to support your side. That's why we can see two Chinese dude on the American side but I don't think they really support the US in real life. Peace and love.

[@samliew6610]

How to support the with the ki d of bully and hagemon?

[@mantapdjiwa9768]

You will be surprise to know how many chinese want china to fail, psycho are everywhere, but much less in mainland with their controlled media.

[@yongkomo1860]

@@mantapdjiwa9768 That's an overstatement. The latest poll showed at least 93% of the 1.4 billion fully support their government. Of course there are quite a handful who also wish that way and there are many reasons to that eg. they escaped after being pursued for money laundering, different political thinking, pro-separatists movement group, being brainwashed and money support by external forces and many more. Traitors are in every country. Worst still 50% over of the Americans are against either government and many also wish them to fall.

[@mantapdjiwa9768]

@@yongkomo1860 yes I also dont like them selfhating chinese, example = hongkong rioters

[@yongkomo1860]

@@mantapdjiwa9768 Too naive and brainwashed. Its a real Shame!

[@maniaouri2146]

US human rights? Better ask why Julian Assange is punished to slow death only because he disclosed Crimes against Humanity by Armed forces of the US

[@chillerwhale1655]

It is difficult for me to imagine what "personal liberty" is enjoyed by an unemployed person, who goes about hungry, and cannot find employment. Real liberty can exist only where exploitation has been abolished, where there is no oppression of some by others, where there is no unemployment and poverty, where a man is not haunted by the fear of being tomorrow deprived of work, of home and of bread. Only in such a society is real, and not paper, personal and every other liberty possible.