Lethal Jujutsu submissions & arresting techniques (Daito ryu Aikijujutsu) 大東流柔術

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[@Chadi]

The techniques are at 3:28

[@m5a1stuart83]

Those punches at the body, when I was looking for Daitoryu are Wakizashi attacks. The techniques are really meant to kill. Those are not punches but stabbed or slash to the body.

[@yn5568]

The second technique with the “sinking in” isn’t a pressure to the throat, but rather pressure to the shoulder joint (almost like a kimura on upper arm). The leg to the throat is to prevent the other person from shrimping

[@user-bu2ls9lp1l]

"This is a very good way of arresting or restraining someone" Spoke like a true greenhorn with no arrests lol Honestly these recent videos are cool but using the word "lethal" is hyperbole and clickbait... That silly arm cross restraint didn't disappear because it's lethal... it disappeared because it's impractical outside an armoured context. The uke can bend their inside arm and spin out of the lock anytime. EXCEPT... when they're wearing full armour which would restrict subtle joint movements and make escaping much harder.

[@armondoserna2342]

@@m5a1stuart83 1Q

[@icybrain8943]

I trained Daito Ryu in the US under a student of Kenkichi Ohgami who founded the Daibukan. Their approach had each training session end with "randori" (rotate one individual vs rest of class who would take turns attacking), and we would adjust intensity based on experience/rank

[@Chadi]

That's pretty cool

[@ALL_CAPS__]

Same thing when I studied Iwama style aikido. It was either jiwaza or randori at the end of every class. Even on weapons day. Learn the technical and fundamentals in the beginning, and put them into practice at the end. Probably something carried over from Daito Ryu.

[@markfunk5090]

I train under Ohgami Sensei in Japan currently with his son in Nishinomiya. We still do randori and knife defenses at the end of each training session. Ohgami Sensei turned 85 this year.

[@icybrain8943]

@@markfunk5090 I hope that I can make it to Japan to meet and train with Ohgami someday. Its been about a decade since I last got to train Daito ryu, but I think about it often. I had to move cities to finish up my degree and a couple years afterward discovered that my instructor also moved away to a different state when I had hoped to be able to resume training. I was sad to learn that Gabelhouse Sensei passed away recently.

[@markfunk5090]

@icybrain what is the name of the teacher you trained under in the USA? I will meet Ohgami Sensei this Sunday.

[@Robin-L_Hood]

I love the Ju jutsu arts, and all the ways they evolved through the centuries, including Judo being on the world stage in the 1890's against notorious Catch Wrestlers and other submission wrestlers, Ju jutsu arts became a global phenomenon a few times in modern history

[@shadowfighter6445]

I thought I accidentally clicked on shogos channel instead of yours 😂, thank you for sharing 😊.

[@Chadi]

I like Shogo a lot

[@SoldierAndrew]

Very good Chadi. You are tier 1 in the youtube videography realm of judo, jujutsu and wrestling. Daito Ryu is one art that must be felt to be believed and context is everything. One can not understand Daito Ryu without understanding what Daito Ryu is created for and what some of the movements represent. Example, all daito ryu empty hand finishing strikes represent drawing a dagger to deliver the death blow. Daito Ryu is the weapon retention & counter-grappling art of Feudal Japan inner court guards (equivalent to today's court bailiff) and is not a battlefield ryu nor an unarmed combat dueling art. It must be felt to be believed and understood.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Exactly

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

How doesn't this video have more views by now!? :'( And he also deserves more subs

[@Projectdarksource]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 yes he certainly does. Most people don't accept Tradational martials and believe UFC is the only way.

[@Eternaprimavera73]

I think it is difficult that in a cout you could receive a sword attack if it was forbidden to have a sword in some situations...

[@kevionrogers2605]

@@Eternaprimavera73 wakazahi and tanto were worn inside. Also fans.

[@bhiei]

I am an officer for many years, the techniques depicted in the video are realistic, the application of joint locks is very beneficial for us to control and minimize injury, most of the use of force we do is grappling, and certainly not mma style competition grappling.

[@Chadi]

Thank you for sharing

[@YamamotoKazuo]

I think the Aikijujutsu methods was created by an EDO Japan officer. In a way people have to understand MMA training and Law enforcement training are 2 different animals.

[@elijahhatcher8840]

That sankyo arm break is just brutal. At first I thought KZbin had an error because I thought I was watching Shogo-san's video after clicking yours.

[@Chadi]

I'm a big fan of Shogo

[@QuantumMechanic_88]

All due respect to the gentleman at the beginning of the video , but my American GI uncle was stationed in Japan at the very end of the war . My uncle was a military policeman and worked with the Japanese to rebuild their police force . He studied Japanese martial arts while there for 2 years . Thank You Chadi for yet another contribution to history .

[@yn5568]

GHQ only allowed limited activities involving American personnel. General assemblies and organization events were banned for half a decade or so. It took “peace and spirituality” mottos for most schools to get approval. Those who didn’t were rejected or went underground until 1952

[@Chadi]

Thank you for the support

[@ALL_CAPS__]

That arresting technique with the kick breaking the arm was gangster. The amount of precision and control to practice that must have been awesome and frightening to experience. Top notch work again, Chadi.

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@beskeptic]

Judo/Jiujitsu is the best art for police to arrest causing minimal harm possible

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Yep

[@mrmoth26]

Olympic or folkstyle wrestling would also be quite good, it's about taking down and immobilising (pinning) someone, which would be useful for arrests.

[@minorityofone1510]

Thanks for your informative and calm delivery of well researched material. As you say here many people criticise the old martial arts, compared to UFC or MMA, because they don't understand what they are seeing. My view, as a practitioner of traditional Jiu Jitsu, is that training demonstrations of a technique (on video or in the dojo) by definition are slow and methodical - and have a certain discipline to them. What you see in MMA etc is the rapid and slightly messy application. Reviewing my own practice I will stress more to students that in a real situation the techniques that they are practising need to be perfected. Then they can be applied not only with full force; but at least 3 times the speed!

[@Chadi]

Thank you for sharing

[@johngalt7818]

Japanese jiu-jitsu was used for centuries, on actual battlefields, to maim and kill opponents. BJJ is just wrestling. When I was growing up we all boxed and wrestled competitively. BJJ Is not the end all, be all defensive art. Nothing is.

[@thrashtastic1]

Love you Chadi. Always awesome content

[@emaddarawsheh7420]

شادي الرائع

[@bushido007]

excellent video Chadi. indeed many techniques are hiding in plain sight

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@hv5304]

Great insights! Thanks for sharing!

[@Diego-hm1wd]

THANK YOU for this video🙏🙏🙏

[@ok-zombie4286]

“The whole world would go mad”

[@Chadi]

It's true

[@ALL_CAPS__]

Yet, training American police officers to do chokes and locks would most likely save lives when implement properly. Bullets have final outcomes.

[@hectorcruz5944]

I have been studying a Traditional Budo Martial Art for many years now. I have to say, that I really enjoy your work. Thank You so much for educating and informing, those whom choose to listen. I can't say that I disagree with any of your commentary. God Speed and God Bless

[@Chadi]

Thank you Hector

[@jasonpoilovs4903]

Fact based and educational. I absolutely love your videos historical context clarifies everything. I for one love that the roots and of my beloved BJJ are shared by so many different traditional Japanese arts. In my opinion the amalgamation of the big three (Catch, Judo and BJJ ) is where it’s at. Cheers and many thanks 🙏

[@Chadi]

Thank you Jason

[@borgshadow13]

history and the context behind techniques ... it's a beautiful thing

[@skutterbuster666]

Really enjoying your videos. Kinda found them at the right time. Therapist challenged me to do something and ive wanted to get back into Ju jitsu for years And i started watching your videos, say a week ago. So....i guess i gotta make enquiries to local Dojo's There is actually one 5 minutes away but think its more orientated at children and teenagers, which is still pretty cool really Thanks

[@wfs2email373]

Thank you for keeping the history of martial arts alive. I would love a comprehensive family tree type history of martial arts. Any ideas on that? Thank you.

[@jthom5132]

The reason behind no hand pinning techniques as they were explained to me comes from the 1 vs many approach. We train not as if we are in conflict with a singular individual but against a group. These techniques are slowed down in order to train without injuring your partner and for demonstration purposes. As the uke's skill level increases he is able to practice this technique faster safely.

[@Yoandrys23]

Thanks

[@Chadi]

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[@jazzysinger07]

Hey Chadi, I really enjoy the content that you post of judo, kano jujitsu and the comparisons between techniques, trainings and usages. I have been doing some reading into WE Fairbairn and it seems that he was trained in Shinshin or shin no shin jujitsu, which is one of the classical jujitsu systems that was incorporated into judo. Could you do a video or contact me personally so we can chat about it?

[@thebigbadwolf904]

As an Aikidoka it's good to see the art of the original use of Aiki getting some respect this was found by takeda after all

[@jesseshaffer3951]

I think the traditional techniques are not useless. They teach selected lessons. Application needs to be dynamic imo as does the learning and understanding. The body only moves so many directions. - I find most traditional techniques hold many more lessons then 'modern ' training-- also there is more room for mastery in the old systems. 100% agree it was survival of the style. Same can be said when you look through many kung Fu forms and systems. Some forms could be almost an entire system themselves

[@lsporter88]

You're absolutely right and correct Chadi. It must be emphasized to people that these techniques were designed to be used against well trained and armed hostile Men (even Armored Samurai). I would actually prefer to see Police use these techniques to restrain a person actively, "resisting", even armed with a knife rather than automatically shooting them. I appreciate the thoroughness of your research as always.

[@varamaur9567]

Good stuff, Chadi. Formalized waza / kata in koryu bujutsu and traditional gendai budo are practiced against cooperative uke: no different than when a judoka or BJJ practitioner learns a given technique today against a cooperative uke to learn the technique. I've studied traditional Japanese jujutsu as well as judo, and if you don't go slowly when learning kansetsu waza, especially if the technique also involves nage waza, joints and other body parts will sprain or break (from first-hand experience). Aikido, judo, and BJJ practitioners I've trained with have commented that they enjoy the nuances of the various locks and arresting techniques utilized in traditonal jujutsu, since many of those techniques are not allowed in competition or are not in typical aikido curricula.

[@akumu9x9]

Shogo crossover for the win.

[@TheSaintberzerker]

These arts are lost on most "UFC worshippers" because the UFC rulesets. Techniques such as wrist locks (cannot grab gloves), joint attacks (small joint manipulation are prohibited), throat strikes, etc are banned. Aiki was not created to be a sport but for warfare.

[@mrmoth26]

You're a chad.

[@slipperydoorknob2173]

Christ I haven't heard this song in a long ass time. This played after every other song back in the lofi livestream boom years ago.

[@delancyj67]

4:36 People commenting on how impossible this is, forget that Aikijutsu has powerful strikes. A straight kick to the groin or liver would make anyone compliant as would an uppercut to the base of the nose. American police have access to something that makes arrests much easier. Radio. You can watch Police call for backup for noise complaints or because they felt 'threatened' by people who were unarmed and not moving in their direction. Maybe if they had better techniques they'd be less willing to use lethal force. What appears excessive in this video, leaves his hands free to tie-up the suspect and defend against other attacks which would be really important if he was alone.

[@ColinCox_Sjovargen]

Hojojutsu requires both hands to begin with, even if some of the ties can be executed with one hand in the flying-rope techniques. Getting to a place where you can subdue someone in a no backup scenario excuses a certain violence of action. Where we (rightly, imo) object is when there are 3-4 people restraining a handcuffed unarmed person and you still see breath/blood chokes employed as “pain compliance” (torture).

[@delancyj67]

@@ColinCox_Sjovargen Agree.

[@certifiedtopg7596]

In the style of jujutsu that I practice mubyoshi ryu there a very deadly throw known as gansekiotoshi it is quite similar to the reverse kata guruma throw but slightly more lethal

[@user-kp5pk6wm5f]

3:58 I was taught this type of stuff by my teacher as his apprentice, but he taught me other stuff first, stuff that I thought was BS even at 3. I rolled all day off both shoulders 'special' type of rolling and falling. Every type of falling. For months till I got angry and said I want to learn how to fight. He said go over there! Then pushed me. I rolled into a stance, he then pushed me I rolled back to a stance. He grabbed me throwing me. Again and again. I was scared. 20? 25 times. He said what did you learn? I said not to ask questions? He said no! Why are you not on the ground? Think about it. He left in about 30 minutes i got it I ran in and said I get it thank you. After that he said do it a thousand times slowly the right way. Then 10 thousand times fast and exactly the same way as fast as you can. Then I will teach you the next step. In 5 years I will teach you everything, but you have to perfect it for the rest of your life. Each technique. The kata will help you too remember everything. But only you will know. The rest names you will learn in ( jujitsu / judo school ) but keep our family stuff to your self. So the stuff I see them do, I've done but as much to perfect basic skills. It's like Jujitsu blue or white belt stuff. Shrimp and guard escape / escapes. I learned with a long heavy log. And sand bag's. Just to get the basic concepts. I had a 4 foot 100 lb log I had to learn to flip end on end. Using leverage. Hold the middle, use my arm, roll it over when you feel the weight. Then pull it over. Fast. It took me 2 weeks. Then the other tricks. It was all cool to a little kid it was all game's. But all training. Sword bow. Throwing knives. It was all cool. Ground fighting, then the grappling. Every methods I learned. I became better than my brothers they accused him of favoring me over them. He said no he is just a better learner, the power of their fighting skills scared me. Because we learned a very ( Hard / rough ) style of jujitsu. Bone breaking fighting. For Samurai! I wasn't at that level yet. They would beat me up. Tortured me. Because I could throw them and do other stuff, but the hard stuff, I couldn't do. So 90 percent of the time I could escape. The other times I learned to take a as beating. At a young age 8 10 I was afraid. Of them after 12 I could always throw them. 18 -25 year Olds. Those guys made me, they were jealous of me. But they later respected me. I taught them. The hardest throwing technique, they couldn't get. But when they did, it became the go to. In ending every fight. Because it looks like magical stuff. Ok so basically I did the same stuff. But the schools were trained by expert who waited till they learned basic skills After that they were taught by next level and so on Just like in bjj just get rid of the purple then you end up with the same thing. You have to know the how and why. Learn the how and why then, the rest is easy. Because they can figure it out. Just like Gracie Academe jujitsu, combat jujitsu. The old stuff requires basic understanding. Just like it was given by a old master in 93. To the Gracies they changed it from BJJ to Gracie JJ. Because of core concepts. In purple belt. And same in white belts. Just like teaching jodo to kids. Basic concepts. Better then kata. Gracie University taught basic stuff. To perfect it. Then after purple try to refine everything. Thanks 4 the video.

[@luisbruceno3817]

el trabajo que realizas es increíble, saludos desde México.

[@Chadi]

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[@michaelflentge6484]

I agree in modern policing there is no way society would not be in shock with the technique at the beginning to detain a suspect. I do wonder if the training methodology for the excess follow through is based on a similar concept of shooting the threat until it’s neutralized, how in some traditional FMA or Libre they continue to make multiple cuts or stabs because they understand a “true believer” or game opponent in a life or death scenario will continue to fight. Historically and even in modern scenarios outside of policing actions if some one or a group of people are restraining you, you’re probably going to be kidnapped and killed. Awesome video as usual.

[@Stephen_Curtin]

Speaking of Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu and old techniques and training methods, I often think to myself "how much of these techniques were actually tested or put into use outside of the dojo?". I mean a quick look at the Wikipedia page for Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu says that there are over 850 techniques on the curriculum. TBH I think Takeda just made a lot of them up so that he could keep selling his services as a teacher.

[@kevionrogers2605]

That large curriculum is just permutations of a few repetitive ideas for instance shihonage while both are in seiza, while one in seiza and one standing, while both are standing, form various grips, or strikes are each counted as a technique.

[@Stephen_Curtin]

@@kevionrogers2605 yes but you had to pay the man to teach each and every technique, in sequence, and you know that he would take his sweet time on each one. It seems like Takeda was just as much a salesman as he was a martial arts master. For the sake of comparison look at Myamoto Musahi's school. It teaches in total 44 techniques. 12 long sword, 7 short sword, 5 two swords, and 20 bo staff. Now think how long would it take to master each curriculum to a reasonable degree. It probably took like 20+ years to go through Takeda's, whereas it probably took like 5 with Musahi's. John Danaher recently said, you can take someone and turn them into a world class competitor in 5 years. So imagine a young kid starting martial arts at 13. He could be a master by the time he was 18, or he could be a master in his 30s or 40s. One school was trying to churn out good fighters in a reasonably short amount of time, and the other was trying to hold on to their students for as long as possible.

[@kevionrogers2605]

@@Stephen_Curtin in Budo Renshu there is only 50 techniques illustrated. I don't think any of his students that perpetuated the art actually took decades to learn the curriculum and get a teaching certificate.

[@Stephen_Curtin]

@@kevionrogers2605I had to Google Budo Renshu as I wasn't 100% sure, but Sokaku Takeda didn't have anything to do with writing it, it was Morihei Ueshiba and Kenji Tomiki. And I could be wrong here, but didn't Ueshiba strip down the number of techniques from Daito Ryu when he was developing Aikido? It seems to me the the number of techniques Sokaku Takeda taught was inflated to sell more and more scrolls and certificates. I know that there's a documentary on KZbin (probably where Chadi got the footage) where a Daito Ryu master is being interviewed and he talks about Sokaku Takeda. The impression I got was that Takeda always had more techniques to teach and more scrolls to sell. I thonk Takeda loved to give off the impression that he had a dozens of techniques for any possible situation, but did he learn all of these techniques from his masters, or did he come up with them himself? And how many of this techniques did he actually test in a real situation or in sparring?

[@Stephen_Curtin]

To use a modern example, let's say you run a Karate/Kicking school, and let's say you teach competitive fighters as well as people who just do it for fitness and enjoyment. You might teach 20+ types of kick. The fighters might only use two or three of the more basic ones, but they might learn the rest just for fun. So the school might teach a basic roundhouse alongside a 540° spinning jump kick. That's kind of like how I view schools like Daito Ryu. Sure a lot of the techniques are useful in a real situation, but some of them were developed to show off at demonstrations and look cool.

[@bartangel4867]

I wish those moves were shown step by step just seeing it done is not enough to show intricacies of it which are very important if actually trying to get the move to work.

[@jjs3890]

I think jujitsu get a bad wrap because people are mostly only seeing katas. Unfortunately after the samurai were abolished, jujitsu schools had commoners and thugs as students and most systems removed the combat elements and only trained the katas as record keeping methods. But when the samurai were training jujitsu the katas were only meant to drill techniques and were never intended to look like they do during sparing(yes samurai spared but severe injuries and deaths were acceptable) they drilled for unknown attacks, muscle memory drills, sensitivity training and even trained in Gekkiken (kendo with out rules and jujitsu mixed in when necessary). Some schools today try to get close to this training but most jujitsu schools still only train the katas as demonstrated here. That’s not what samurai combat really looked like.

[@HomeBizNetworkscom]

Now your starting to tip toe around hapkido... great talks chadi...

[@SI-ln6tc]

Also shorinji kempo (another daito-ryu derive art).

[@yn5568]

@@SI-ln6tc you mean hakkoryu derivative. Although dokun denies it, and claims it as chin-na inspired art for their juho

[@jimschroeder1176]

Hapkido has a lot of throws that he showed in his last video.

[@SI-ln6tc]

@@yn5568 from wiki "Hakkō-ryū founded by Okuyama Yoshiharu, who trained under Takeda Sokaku; and Shorinji Kempo, founded by Nakano Michiomi (later known as So Doshin), who is known to have trained under Okuyama."

[@yn5568]

@@SI-ln6tc yeah it’s funny because okuyama also denied learning daitoryu for most of his life. Apparently he learned dozens of other arts in parallel he kept secret about, but its ironic that both hakkoryu and shorinji kempo’s juho ended up taking similar concept as daitoryu variants

[@DelightfulMountainLandsc-ze5qw]

Keep doing what you're doing, love 😘 amen 🙏

[@JustSomeGuy69420]

I bet in 100 years they will look at all the instructional BJJ material online and think "that arm bar would never work, the opponent is letting him do it!"....quickly followed by "why bother with that when you can use a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range?"

[@edi9892]

Aikido today is pretty much Bullshido, but when you change empty hand attacks with weaponized attacks and consider that they may have worn armor, a lot more makes sense... Plus, they really dialed down on the brutality....

[@PabloMartinez-gt9yw]

Chadi as you probably know Aikido came from DAITORYUAIKIJUJITSU,which ueshiba was originally train he invented aikido which is a much softer version of Daitoryu which was practice in the castle by the lords, is also an martial art to main or kill your opponent which aikido is not next time please get. More into daitoryu today like sensei KONDO who was train by Takeda whose father train ueshiba outside of that I liked your article

[@neocloudmarts9613]

You learn the true technique and essence when you become uchidesi for Bugei or bujustsu school

[@alfilingenieros1253]

un japones vestido tradicionalmente hablando en ingles???!!! efectos de la atomica....

[@fredazcrate4362]

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[@Chadi]

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[@jephilologist]

For musicians out there: ridiculing old traditional ways of martial arts is quite akin to ridiculing the likes of Mozart, Beethoven, or Pachelbel. You can laugh and ridicule them all you want, but if you want to play decent music, you will find that they will have already referenced or discovered the stuff that works- and that you were merely echoing their theses. You cannot escape the work of the pioneers- and at some point or another you will find that you are only building upon what has already been built. If you think you discovered something new, try searching history and you might find that somebody really old, or dead, has already been there and done it, said it, or thought it. I find that ridicule often comes from a place of ignorance, or a lack of investigation or introspection. I also find it baffling that some would not seem to understand the difference between the speed for a public demonstration, practice, or real violent action.

[@user-vz2in9oz8m]

No the two things are nothing alike they are the opposite

[@Chadi]

That's a good analogy. Today we stand on the shoulders of giants

[@RODRIGAOBARRETO]

Takenouchi ryu is extensivelly documented, my friend. Research it.

[@Chadi]

What i meant was a part got lost, they kept techniques secret, did not document them for fear of being released. www.livescience.com/39280-19th-century-samurai-text-deciphered.html

[@RODRIGAOBARRETO]

@@Chadi ok. But you must research their official lineage website. As far as i know, their mokuroku is complete. Including the head master techniques is absolutely complete.

[@Chadi]

@@RODRIGAOBARRETO only a select few when invited by the headmaster themselves can achieve ranks and possibly learn these hidden techniques. Their website is not gonna say we have hidden stuff (which is understandable). But that risks of the loss of this heritage. Many speak for example of Aikido kata that a select few know, I'm personally against this as these schools get smaller and smaller, and times have changed, no need for secrecy. And you risk losing that heritage, many schools are extinct already.

[@RODRIGAOBARRETO]

@@Chadi Talk to them... you'll see nothing is lost. And as far as i know.. some people has menkyo kaiden level.

[@Chadi]

@@RODRIGAOBARRETO i will, thank you

[@bertrp75]

I love your videos. I have been interested in the history of jujutsu since i started training years ago. Have you ever read "The Fighting Spirit of Japan" by E.J Harrison? I think you would enjoy the view it gives of japan as the Kudokan spread its influence.

[@Chadi]

It's on my list

[@Quach7]

Wrist locks are still a staple of WWE.

[@xrayfish2020]

Chadi as you stated it be an all-out civil / race war if a police officer did those techniques on a person and that person subsequently died from them, then as stated its a shooting match

[@Johnsmith-pd3uk]

I trained very traditional (brutal) Aikijutsu for many years. The techniques are extremely difficult to learn. They require precision. Once you do learn them though, they're not just effective, but incredibly destructive. I used it a number of times and dispatched my attacker incredibly efficiently.

[@Tentaisei]

But the video your showing Takumakai and these are from the Soden they aren't present in mainline Daitoryu.

[@vano-559]

You choose well known film created on late 1970th. In caught techniques of Takumakai Soden divided on 11 volumes and contains techniques from both Ueshiba and Takeda. First five called 'Aikido' and preserves techniques that Ueshiba taught Asahi newspaper bodyguards. So it's how Aikido might looks like. Seems this skills vanished from modern Aikido.

[@probindemufhoes42069]

Where does Danzan Ryu fit into all this? Is it a sub category of Daito?

[@m5a1stuart83]

My japan instructor once show us a throw that could break arms. I forgot the name but it look more like Sode Tsurikomi Goshi but unlike Sode, the uke arms must be put at your armpit and push it away while your other arm aim for the sleeve and broke the uke arms during throwing. Quite lethal. He is a Judoka and know well of Jujutsu techniques. Old but strong in techniques.

[@fahadkelantan]

Your instructor broke his student's arm? WTF?

[@m5a1stuart83]

@@fahadkelantan No man. He just showing with slowmo not really broke student arm. It was a good throw.

[@thunderflower7998]

One scholar question...Aikido and Daito rug Aikijutsu..have white upper and black lower uniform...was this always so? Any other jujitsu styles wear them?or is it master fashion nowadays?

[@thunderflower7998]

@Christian Tate hahahaah

[@stelcheck]

Not to my knowledge. These days I think it boils down more to convenience; you can find those anywhere. The hakama is really mandatory only when sensei is around - as a show of respect. I'm sure some will point out how antiquated that is, but it's just culture. Black is mostly the norm, but I've seen people using kendo ones without raising anyone's eyebrows. Under that, a white keikogi is generally worn. It can be of any cut - white karate, judo, aikido, or other. I personally think white is a good color for jujutsu, since it makes it easier to spot if anyone starts bleeding (even from afar), but I've never heard this as an explicit justification. The color restrictions are otherwise just to avoid people getting "creative" with colors. You're not supposed to be showing up for a fashion show, after all.

[@thunderflower7998]

@@stelcheck thnk you!

[@bartangel4867]

but interesting video

[@stelcheck]

Thank you for sharing. Here are a few notes and thoughts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5fFnp2NfsZkbdk was taken at a DR embu (30th anniversary of the Shinbukan IIRC) but is a demonstration of Tenjin Shinyo Ryu. It's rather common to invite other traditions for Embu. It's worth pointing out that not all koryu jujutsu is made equal; training curriculum, kata, and conditioning practices were often depending on the origin of the tradition (and of its creator), whether it was a sogo bujutsu (with weapons) or not, and given purpose at a given point in time (transition from weapons on a battlefield environment, security enforcement and policing, etc). While rare, I've seen a tradition or two document many-against-one jujutsu, for instance, and I wouldn't be able to point to a modern tradition getting inspiration from that. DR is most likely a derivation of family traditions and principles from traditional sword practices crystallized into a semi-formal tradition in the late 1800s. It is much less grappling-oriented than other traditions. That's the major, visible difference. Not so much lethality. DR found a niche early on, it seems, with various police forces and practitioners from other traditions. Later on, people like Adm. Takeshita Isamu would apparently push for its teaching to the Japanese Imperial Army, but that doesn't seem to have stuck. Hisa Takuma would, later on, publish the 捕技秘伝 (or secret arrestation techniques). However, the stories are few when it comes down to prior uses of DR. So while some traditions can easily pinpoint how their techniques came to be based on experiences, much of what we can observe regarding DR is a purpose assigned after the fact. Some police forces adopted some DR, just like they adopted or trained in other traditions. FWIW, I know a few police officers and intervention specialists - both in Japan and abroad - who train in DR. And the practice is useful to them. However, I think some of the justifications made in this video presume a backward and incomplete understanding of the historical contextualization.

[@Chadi]

Thank you for the information, but i feel calling my video backwards was a little too much, it's 8 minutes, the idea was not to historically detail everything, it's simply about the transition of many arts from jutsu to do, many became about individual/spiritual/mental practice. Many people who practice combat sports come and criticise these old koryu as ineffective and dishonest (I run this channel and it's quite frequent), the point of this video is to explain that training methodology of many arts had evolved to serve other purposes.

[@stelcheck]

@@Chadi Apologies, what I meant was that the rationale as I understood it might be inverse to how things happened historically. Given that it appears to serve as a premise - or at least, as foundation for justification - to the point you’re making, I thought it important to clarify.

[@yeout4386]

i just had my first lesson in japaneese jujutsu

[@Chadi]

AWESOME

[@oscarreyes1318]

Bernielauaikijutsu

[@christopherspohn8071]

What banded, weird so many people started learning karate and jujitsu in united states right after world war 2.

[@ericr2617]

Father of modern/ practical fighting arts or not. What they practice now is absolutely a waste of time

[@Chadi]

If it preserved the heritage of a nation threatened by western imperialism and colonization then it's not a waste.

[@ericr2617]

@Chadi If the current state of a marshal art representing a nation is garbage, then I would say it is a poor reflection on that heritage.

[@fgsf9]

Yes ur right the techniques does work i use in now im 60-9 in submission grappling i learned the basics of aki but peep but its deep u make dat connection n say.... " it speaks volume of the violence they had to endure" n that was the critical part people are missing ..... I learned all about the ground in jujstu by a guy that father trained there in japan n on the road doing other stuff like pancreation fights i was very fortunate to learn from his bitch ass 🙏🏽😅 but bro u are right on with this stuff im speach less like wow

[@falconmight339]

3:39

[@MizanQistina]

The colonials always enforce their rules in their colony to prevent uprising, the same thing happen in my country, what I mean is the colonials do shape what we called as "traditional" and "cultural" of places and peoples. There are so much things lost due to colonial influences. For example, in martial arts, weapons are no longer used because carrying weapons are banned, and by this rule alone changed the way we dress, such as we no longer wear "bengkung" to hold our weapon, so "traditional dress" in the past 100 years are actually changed to satisfy the colonial rules. In my country, the art of Malay archery lost forever, there is no more, completely lost despite we have story and legends about archery, the archery we do now and gaining popularity is Turkish and Olympic archery, the Malay archery is gone forever for good because the colonial banned it. Not just that, Malay guns are also gone, you can find it in European museum or from collectors, but the art of Malay guns is gone. When the small things changed in the society, it changed everything. If we're not colonized, maybe you will see my people are like cowboys today walking around with guns... :))

[@Chadi]

Unfortunately true

[@MizanQistina]

@@Chadi What if Japan won WW2 or at least managed to hold off US attack on Okinawa? Surely Karate, Judo, ect will be different today...the whole concept of "martial art" could be different...it's butterfly effect.

[@44excalibur]

Uhhh, I highly doubt that Jigoro Kano gave Judo demonstrations for US President Ulysses S. Grant, since Kano was only 9 years old when Grant became president and 17 when Grant finished his term in office. I think you're referring to President Theodore “Teddy" Roosevelt.

[@Chadi]

1879 kano was 19

[@44excalibur]

@@Chadi Kano was 19 in 1879, but Ulysses S. Grant finished his term in office in 1877 when Kano was 17.

[@Chadi]

@@44excalibur the demo was in 1879 in front of Grant, during his term or after, doesn't matter, he did randori as part of the demo that's the take.

[@44excalibur]

@@Chadi Ah, I see. It was probably Mitsuyo Maeda who gave a demonstration for Teddy Roosevelt then.

[@Chadi]

@@44excalibur Yamashita eas Roosevelt's teacher

[@posho9308]

Who thaaa hell gave thumb down??? 😠😠😠😠😠

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Let's get dat shotgun

[@Eternaprimavera73]

maybe somebody who knows that restraint was not so typical in some arts.

[@saraalc9616]

NOT "invention" of Judo. "Creation of Judo..."

[@iansam960]

IF??? the police restrain/ arrest people like that 😆🤣🤣 lol

[@MBryy]

5:00 george floyd smh

[@rnp497]

dude not a good example using the US police on police brutality

[@Flying_turnip187]

Daito ryu actually is interesting. The actual real train was the body art of Aiki. The "techniques" were actually made up. Sokaku Takeda would "make up" the techniques on the spot and the students codified what they saw as waza. Takeda was so strong he could basically make up waza on the spot. Most of the waza in Aikido and Daito ryu was created bythe students to pass on the training. The actual body Aiki training is quite remarkable.

[@thunderflower7998]

Aikido training????what is this?Any more feedback?

[@eastafrika728]

I think western judgement of Japanese arts is full of anxiety and impatience. The moves you see being demonstrated are broken down and slowed down. If you are not a fighter, you cannot practice japanese arts effectively. Boxing, BJJ and Muay Thai are child's play, all you need is brute force and impatience. But when mastered and done with speed at the discretion of the practitioner, Japanese Jujitsu can be used to kill multiple opponents in a short time. I once grabbed a drug dealer in an Aikijujitsu triangle choke in few seconds he was shaking and his eyes were blinking uncontrollably, I had to do CPR on him after that.

[@lke6231]

I respect judo, but aikido and any of its variations really don’t work in any realistic setting besides non-resisting opponents.

[@otakuleveledup8458]

Fun fact Ju Jitsu/jiu jitsu/ju jutsu translates to the gentle art ;)

[@user-nb8dm1gz2t]

No it doesn't lol

[@Chadi]

Yielding/flexible art

[@otakuleveledup8458]

@@user-nb8dm1gz2t ju means gentle and jitsu means art. Judo is special as do means way and is not an art so it is a way of mentality and life rather than killing is what arts are for. Ju is gentle as you are not. Punching and kicking as a main focus but grappling. I did traditional Japanese ju jitsu but moved to judo and BJJ. Still all are brutal as hell.

[@user-nb8dm1gz2t]

@@otakuleveledup8458 I'm not gentle? You seem to know a lot about me.

[@joemalone8197]

So you are saying it got banned because it was too lethal? How come only police are allowed to learn self defense? Are civilians not worthy of defending themselves against murderers? I ask because I think sports made it weaker so that they could make money off of it rather than beat up people.

[@ankryth]

I think there is absolutely zero chance that arrest technique would work on a resisting opponent. No way you can trap the hands behind the back like that and make someone faceplant

[@lylemcdermott2566]

Yeah all of those techniques are total bs, just look at actual judo matches, it's so chaotic, nobody gives their arms and wrists like that and the way they kick is actually laughable, what kind of damage do you think you can inflict with those sloppy hits?

[@henrykim921]

It's an instructional video to teach proper form. Of course you adapt to real situations - that's a given. Judo lineage comes from traditional jujitsu - all of its techniques come from jujitsu. Are you serious lol?

[@kerpal321]

george floyd was restrained like that so we know the techniques are lethal for sure

[@SoldierAndrew]

Drug overdose killed Mr Floyd. Not pinning his neck. I had a 300+lb correction officer kneel on my neck til I heard cracking noises in my neck and I didn't die because I wasn't overdosing on a cocktail of lethal, illegal, drugs the way Mr Floyd did. Narcotics are lethal.

[@UncleAntiClaws]

That banning was not true exactly The meiji emperor did away with 90.4% of all TMA. He destroyed the traditional Japanese warrior. Those who joined the Imperialist culture were traitors to any and all Budo and shinobi/ samurai tradition. Chief Among them were elite military masrer of arms whom were high class rich kids who had some TMA rraining but did as the Emperor asked and became westernized. After the Sino Russian conflicts it became apparent that the Japanese needed solidarity and vamping up of martial culture. Tournaments were held among elitists in military combat. Some were Daito ryu or some kind of high standing familial tradition. The winners were tasked with creating a semi samurai like japanese super soldier with every kind of training. A rockstar katana swinging maniac. This was also to create a psychological warfare among pan asians who doubted the superior Japanese methodology. This is not miyagi do. The reason was internalized Japanese society was full of yakuza and tuffs who had their own opinions. They were causing problems for the united Japan that was never to be. You never heard about that. The Americans even workeed with Yakuza to destabilize Imperialism. The promise was thatbthe yakuza would inherit the power over a political puppet japan. Thats where we are now. Get it. The demartialixing of japan was to prevent a chainnof command from forming who could create guerilla warfare state. Thats military not artist. The artists were celebrated and that's when all the kung faux began. You are all pretty much fakes. Except the few families of elitist samurai arts and shinobi. The shinobi did serve the Empire however so you don't really know them as the ninja black clad swordsmen. They were instead the island guerillas who still never knew the war had ended up to the year 1979. Those were naval intel commandos. A military extension of the oniwaban the last niban-cha was honsho Fujita Seiko a late lineage Koka ryuha practicing shinobi. He planned pearl harbor attacks by taking important photos showing how follishly the Americans patked their boats in a single line perfect for bombing. I know. I am shinobi no mono myself. Thugh retired from the field i cannot reveal much more at this time due to American and russian agents interference with ninpo schools suck as jinenkan and bujinkan. The Iga museum curator is even taking students against his previous oath to end the tradition with himself.

[@sylvanusjoseph1140]

BJJ Admired the most 3.48 . Numerous are realising the fake form of combat that is BJJ. Weak at multiple attacker training, no weapons defense, and unrealistic fighting terrain. Its an insult to add BJJ to real martial arts.

[@user-gj3qo6ng6n]

Игры в поддавки, фуфло!

[@scarred10]

unfortunately these techs dont work because they never spar to test them,basic judo skills this nonsense

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

BruhBruhBruhBruhBruhBruhBruh

[@Eternaprimavera73]

@@hancyimnsnhoyo3553 and in fact judo randori bans every lethal techniques. If were lethal, it is because they worked too well.

[@thunderflower7998]

Nothing works..in the wrong moment...in the wrong circumstances...in the wrong training. But all has working Moments...in the right moment..with right circumstances...in the right attitude,spirit,trainingknowing that the humble warrior knows he only saved his life this time...and he did what he had to do. The warrior doesn't prostitute himself in vain and for MOney cause he knows that nothing his teacher passed on to him can ever be bought or exchanged for money...never ever...

[@scarred10]

@@hancyimnsnhoyo3553 no technique is lethal but has the potential to be.However those that aren't practised v resistance arent reliable, its exactly why the so called lethal techs didnt work in early mma and they were all allowed at the time.Combat sports work,everything else needs to be practised like they do.

[@scarred10]

@@hancyimnsnhoyo3553 kani basami is not any sort of lethal technique, it's been sparred with for decades.The so called forbidden techs seen above wont work in sparring ,try it yourself.

[@renchi6989]

What japanese dojo show you in vidoes are like seaweed floating on the surface of the sea , the rest you have go and train by yourself. So MMA guys and keyboard warriors completely not their target

[@RobertSmith-us7gs]

Fake