When Judo fought Muay Thai
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1950s Karate was simply complete
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@truthseeker1328
@truthseeker1328 5 минут бұрын
Today's stupid judo rules under the excuse of "safety" have all but castrated this great martial art. Jigoro Kano would roll in his grave if he understood what these sissies have done to his fighting art.
@truthseeker1328
@truthseeker1328 2 сағат бұрын
The "new judo" is wrought with too many restrictions under the excuse of "safety". By banning long standing and very effective judo throws and take downs is an insult to Kano and the true Kodokan Judo he developed.
@prvtthd401
@prvtthd401 2 сағат бұрын
That was very cool to watch. Very good match.
@stuarthughes3747
@stuarthughes3747 4 сағат бұрын
have a look at johan la grange for good karate take downs
@didiervidry7687
@didiervidry7687 8 сағат бұрын
When karatéka turned into kick boxer mentallity,you've got this vidéo. A karaté must Work IPPON KUMITE : one attack and one response. And in the second time,work the KAKIE technique ( pushing hands as morio HIGAONNA did). with KAKIE,you're Hara became as an anvil ! It's more difficult to put you down and you have the time to hit or using open Hands for groin and throat and eyes. Look at the KAKIE technique of morio HIGAONNA when he got 35 years old.... IPPON KUMITE+ KAKIE is the solution against judo and wrestlers. After got my Black belt karaté morio HIGAONNA school,i practise WRESTLING. The teacher said : You re already practise ??! i said,no,never ! And he said: I don't understand,you are heavy as a dead horse 😂! It's KAKIE gain.
@Ockerby
@Ockerby 9 сағат бұрын
This is exactly what needs to happen, for the future of Japanese Martial Arts... To combine them all into a single curriculum... Kobudo, Karate, Judo, Jiu-Jutsu, and Aikido...
@rockmanxja
@rockmanxja 12 сағат бұрын
I think this is a wake up call for all combat sports purists. This injury happened because a technique is used in the wrong context. Some jujutsu techniques are meant to cripple the opponent. To train and to compete safely using those techniques, you need to modify it. An example of this is shiho nage in aikido. In daitoryu, the original technique is done as a break and there is no ukemi out of it, but for safety, it was modified in aikido. My point is If Kani Basami is performed as a tsutemi waza, it is not meant to be safe for the receiver. The only way is for the uke to stay ahead of it and perform an ukemi. In combat sports where the main objective is to win and competitors resist the technique instead of yielding, this becomes really dangerous.
@staurosnordeste
@staurosnordeste 13 сағат бұрын
Karateka = kyokushin. There are a lot of different styles.
@chrischiang1512
@chrischiang1512 13 сағат бұрын
Hi Chadi, where can I find the video of the old footage of submission from guard?
@anbernicguy
@anbernicguy 13 сағат бұрын
Okinawans used the term Hai, not Osu. The osu term and cross arm bow is very disrespectful to Okinawan culture.
@rmfadjar
@rmfadjar 14 сағат бұрын
Judo and BJJ can immobilize all striking-style martial arts like Karate and Muay Thai BUT in my country (Indonesia) they will get killed so easily by 2 street robbers (they are very common here, act in team, armed with machete and sickle). In my country, striking-style martial arts are more effective and more profitable (of course because our society clearly needs it here, more potential "customers" than grappling dojo business).
@SnapperTurtle
@SnapperTurtle 14 сағат бұрын
That karate fighter had too many restrictions placed on/against him, and his base was very unstable, when I was practicing shotokan hard style, you risked being knocked out rushing into our style of fighting, but don't get me wrong, ALOT of us went for our rank in pure judo as well. Good video and appreciate your channel/platform
@combatsportsarchive7632
@combatsportsarchive7632 15 сағат бұрын
Last time I checked, there are some branches of Karate which do a grappling session to get well rounded like the early generation. Some examples are Shidokan Karate, Seidokaikan Karate and certain groups of Goju Ryu. I saw a comment here from Renku07 claiming Karate dudes don't practice the fundemental techniques of Kata in live sparring. Is that so? I have the video proofs on my channel. Go ask Katsunori Kikuno (Okinawa Kenpo) who literally knocked out a Thai fighter with Yama Tsuki from Bassai Kata.
@SirCammlott-xq5tf
@SirCammlott-xq5tf 16 сағат бұрын
Don t know what karate this should be 1 important point in Karate Shotokan is stable deep stand it is not possible to through someone who is able to perform this kind of stand .
@12henry1234
@12henry1234 18 сағат бұрын
The striker’s hand techniques were poor. Many missed opportunities and novice power. This was a poor comparison. Admittedly, the judoka was good fighter.
@francoisjose5221
@francoisjose5221 18 сағат бұрын
Bonjour Chadi, tu es francophone, donc j'écrirai en français. La video que tu montres au vu des techniques du karatéka, oppose un judoka et un pratiquant de karate kyokushinkai ou autre style proche. Donc techniques de frappe dans les jambes mais pas au visage. Je pense que les règles du combat ont été aménagée pour ne pas avoir de coups de coude et genou. Tout le problème d'une compétition sportive ce sont les règles. Les premiers UFC des frères Gracie montraient la supériorité de la lutte, les derniers événements montrent que des karatékas ou des boxeurs avec un entrainement prenant en compte les règles de l'UFC peuvent performer. Les confrontations lutte conte frappe m'ont toujours laissé dubitatif. Dans un cadre sportif le vainqueur, ce sont les règles. Celui qui gagne c'est celui qui les exploite du mieux possible. Concernant la vraie vie la réponse est plus complexe. J'ai fait de nombreuses missions à l'étranger, et le résultat est sans appel l'arme à feu et le couteau gagnent toujours. Pour ce qui est du combat à main nue sans "règles" dans "rue" là encore c'est complexe. Si tu es des forces de l'ordre, tu dois neutraliser un individu dans le cadre de la loi (avec des règles), alors que ton adversaire est pas definition en dehors de la loi. Pour le policier les techniques seront des saisies (judo, aikido, lutte) pour amener le délinquant en bonne santé devant la justice, le délinquant utilisera les coups les plus vicieux qui sont souvent des percutions et des armes. Nous sommes dans ta video dans des combats un contre un, mais souvent ce sont des groupes qui combattent. Un groupe de combat à l'armée c'est 10 personnes, on ne lutte pas, on ne va pas au sol, car en face c'est la même chose, si tu tombe en luttant en combat localité, ton binôme traite la menace ou c'est le binôme de ton adversaire qui te traite. C'est pour cela qu'a l'armé on privilégie la frappe et toujours se relever et rester sur ses appuis. Les techniques de saisie sont pour les missions de type sécurisation d'un lieu ou de population civiles. J'avais été tres impressionné par le reportage "battle of marseille" entre hooligans russes et anglais pendants l'euro de foot 2016. On voit des groupes se déchainer dans de la pure violence, ce qui m'avait interpellé, pas de saisie, pas de lutte, que de la percussion. On isole un adversaire, on lui tombe dessus à 5, on le frappe pendant 10 secondes interminables et l'on part vers d'autres victimes que l'on mettra dans le coma. Je pratique le karate Shotokan, je suis 5 DAN et j'ai aussi fait de nombreux théâtres de guerre, mon fusil et mon pistolet étaient ma meilleur défense...et encore isolé dans Kaboul face à un kamikaze je n'aurai eu aucune chance. Nous devons pratiquer nos discipline martiale en comparant mais surtout en comprenant ce que fait l'autre et pourquoi. Le karate que je pratique est un art martial okinawaien, d'origine chinoise, codifié par les japonais. Je le pratique car il convient à ma morphologie, il est une porte d'entré vers les cultures asiatiques, il est une reflexion sur la violence inhérente à l'espèce humaine. Il est un DO, il nourrit ma spiritualité. Corps, âme, esprit. En aucun cas ma pratique sportive ou martiale n'est "efficace" en cas de guerre, elle nourrira ma reflexion, mais je compte plus sur mes seances de tir.
@MrRourk
@MrRourk 19 сағат бұрын
Good timing as Jesse the Karate Nerd posted a vid on the grappling aspects of Tai Chi vs Karate recently.
@3Mus-cat-tears
@3Mus-cat-tears 20 сағат бұрын
i think both did very well
@witec83
@witec83 20 сағат бұрын
6:06 especially, but this is what I try to warn my students about when they ask me if grappling or striking arts are better. It depends on who has their range. As grapplers we have to get through the strikers range before we can do anything to them, so don't underestimate them.
@Shadowrulzalways
@Shadowrulzalways 21 сағат бұрын
Jujutsu has sparred since the beginning. It was designed specifically for the battlefield. If it wasn’t sparring, then the art would’ve been completely pointless and they wouldn’t have bothered. And this historical contest is proof they obviously did.
@tichtran664
@tichtran664 21 сағат бұрын
They USED to do foot lock/ leg lock in karate?! I NEVER knew that 😕. I like old karate MORE than old judo
@atshabal
@atshabal 4 сағат бұрын
I think the karate guy knows some basic grappling
@tichtran664
@tichtran664 21 сағат бұрын
I like seeing the fujiwari armbar. Yes I like pro wrestling and catch wrestling.
@tichtran664
@tichtran664 21 сағат бұрын
I also like seeing the uranage ( suplex) being turned into almost a rock bottom.
@NickKano11
@NickKano11 22 сағат бұрын
Fighting Commentary Breakdowns is a great channel. You should get him on your podcast if you get the chance.
@JoriMikke78
@JoriMikke78 22 сағат бұрын
Not sure if this can be called fight. More like hard sparring with same strange rules (and clothes) which are favoring the judoka. Put a amateur kickboxer against either one and both would be destroyed in a moment.
@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh
@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh 22 сағат бұрын
Fun Fact Legendary Masters of Karate Like Oyama-Sensei, Funakoshi-Sensei they trained Judo too and Became Black Belt of Judo.
@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh
@DouglasGomesBueno-jw9lh 22 сағат бұрын
Judo vs Karate - X Train Judo and Karate - O
@1massboy
@1massboy 23 сағат бұрын
6:55 And that is why leg grabbing needs to be brought back into judo. Effective simple way to take out your opponent.
@scottmcley5111
@scottmcley5111 Күн бұрын
6:00 a calf slicer from my experience, is primarily about the arm that grips the leg. The forearm bone when you keep your thumb oriented upward, should provide the focus of pressure needed to submit.
@DADAMEN
@DADAMEN Күн бұрын
Привет Чади
@MizanQistina
@MizanQistina Күн бұрын
Seriously, one strike can KO a person, no matter what MA background that person is. It just that in tournaments and sparrings, strikers don't deliver 100% and don't attack at vital points for obvious reason, otherwise the fight will end in few seconds. Strike first, grapple second. That's my rule for self-defense. Well, it is easier to grapple when your opponent is already in pain, is it not? Why want to grapple a strong and healthy person? It will be 50-50, either you succeed, or your opponent do. So, weaken your opponent first by quick powerful strike, then do whatever you want, you can even escape should you need to.
@vperna6035
@vperna6035 23 сағат бұрын
This is why the weird feud between striking and grappling for self defense is just that-weird, unnecessary and at the end of the day, bad for the development of martial artists on both sides. They work together, very efficiently, and all martial artists should aspire to learn as much as they can about both.
@MizanQistina
@MizanQistina 20 сағат бұрын
@@vperna6035 As a Silat practitioner I find the feud funny because we have everything in Silat. We only need to tweak a bit here and there to fit into modern world. In fact, we don't need MMA because Silat itself is an ancient MMA influenced by cultures come into contact with us Southeast Asians. So, for me, there is no issue 😄
@witec83
@witec83 20 сағат бұрын
The way I look at it as a Judoka, you will always have to pass through a strikers range to get to a grapplers range, but if you don't know what to do when someone gets past your striking range you're in for a world of hurt. Learn both, train both, favor one if you must, but keep what's useful, leave what's useless.
@evanburo886
@evanburo886 19 сағат бұрын
I look at striking as the first line of unarmed self defense. It's like the infantry, clinch work and Judo is the Cavalry that backs it up. BJJ is the wall around the keep lined with archers. The last line of defense before th castle falls.
@witec83
@witec83 18 сағат бұрын
​@ That's a good way to put it! And each artist has different levels of skill in each area, so you can still defend against a siege even if your cavalry is lacking because your infantry and archers are so skilled.
@tettsubushi
@tettsubushi Күн бұрын
Great stuff Judo is so effective that even when you are defeating your opponent, you are “protecting” him! With slight variations in the throw (ex on head etc) or immediate immobilization for strangle or joint… it’s over. Then again, a high level knowledge of grappling with a striking base can make any gap or moment of hesitation fatal 🙏
@yanmasa6930
@yanmasa6930 Күн бұрын
こういうの高校生の頃、お遊びでやったな。剣道部の防具を借りてw
@ThibautKurt23
@ThibautKurt23 Күн бұрын
I fought karatekas when I was a judoka and I always won when they did not keep their distance. On the other hand I was badly defeated by a muy thai pracitioner in close combat because he locked my neck and began to hit me with his knees and I did not what to do against this.
@MizanQistina
@MizanQistina Күн бұрын
Striking is the way to against that, but you don't see that in tournament because the strike target is illegal. I know that Muay Thai practitioners always glorify that move, my friends do 😂 But us Silat practitioners are used to them, Malaysia and Thailand are neighbors. We know their moves and they know our moves as well. 😁
@emanuelevalenza9334
@emanuelevalenza9334 21 сағат бұрын
When a thai boxer grabs your neck and starts to hit you with his knees, sweep his pivot leg.
@thunderkatz4219
@thunderkatz4219 16 сағат бұрын
Do u hate karateka”s also i do okinawan karate and boxing i do Japanese jujitsu but judo seem fun
@ThibautKurt23
@ThibautKurt23 9 сағат бұрын
@thunderkatz4219 I hate noone. I think traditional martial arts are good. I practiced judo for 11 years , and I know a bit of ju jutsu as well. I switched to aikido. But when I was a kid I wanted to do karate. I think they are all good, but judo has become more and more like wrestling with the compétition system. Also in karate some grappling techniques are not used anymore because of compétition again And for aikido, it is technical but only katas so without real sparing it has watered down a lot.
@MizanQistina
@MizanQistina 7 сағат бұрын
@@ThibautKurt23 If you want a real deal you must go to the said MA home country, you won't find it in the west because MA in the west is either watered down or sport version. To find a genuine one is rare, and usually it's a private session between you and your teacher, not in the class. That need a lot of trust because Asians are not likely want to share "secrets" to everybody...anyway, the west has too many regulations to open MA schools, there are things that we can't do in the west, but we can in Asia. So, if want a real Karate and Aikido, go to Japan...
@mritchie85
@mritchie85 Күн бұрын
The Kanji used for Tegumi (Okinawan wrestling) and Kumite (Karate sparring, grappling hands) is the same Kanji just reversed.
@staurosnordeste
@staurosnordeste 13 сағат бұрын
Te-gumi just means "grab with hand". Its a generic term. I forget the name of Okinawan wrestling style. But we can find some moves in heian sandan.
@Ecojock
@Ecojock Күн бұрын
The mistake teh karate made was he tried to grapple with teh judoka. He should have maintained his distance. I also believe that judo is mandatory for Japanese students and the karate 'reverted' to his 'school judo'. I was also surprised at the lack of striking to the face or neck by the karate when the judoka was looking for his 'grips'.
@WillyansMaciel
@WillyansMaciel Күн бұрын
That's possible, but also, karate has some throws (more or less depending on the style), and that may have contributed. Maybe the feeling of the fight made him forget the strategy.
@Renku07
@Renku07 Күн бұрын
@@WillyansMaciel Some throws that you are not practiced at all in regular bases. This's the problem with karate that techniques are not practiced. Only katas are practiced, maybe some kumite.
@Ecojock
@Ecojock 20 сағат бұрын
@@WillyansMaciel This is a fair assessment, but why 'fight someone else's fight' if you have your chance to impose your will (distance-wise). Judo also has strikes at the higher level but the judo player stayed true to his training. I would say the judo player won the fight base on the 'first fall' and trusting his training.
@jimbotussock3856
@jimbotussock3856 18 сағат бұрын
There was possibly a 'no striking above the collar bone' rule there, like kyokushin karate. The strikes in this match that did land on the judoka's head; a punch and an axe kick earned the karateka a warning... I once did a similar "MMA" match, as a karateka against a BJJ practitioner; no head strikes, no ground and pound. I was able to land leg kicks at will and though I got taken down a few times, I was able get up from the ground... Until about halfway through the 2nd round, where I fatigued, couldn't get up and tapped to ude-garami... Though I lost, I was un-injured, but the BJJ fella had trouble walking afterwards... From my experience, head strikes and ground and pound would've changed the match significantly.
@Ecojock
@Ecojock 17 сағат бұрын
@@jimbotussock3856 Thank you for your insight and thorough explanation. I did notice there was a lack of facial strikes and I was wondering if the karate practitioner was Kyokushin based on his stance. Either way, I this match and your match that you recounted. I think that it is a touch 'unfair' with respect to 'style' match-ups since the equivalent of the 'no head strikes' would be like telling the judo practitioner no ne-waza. Either way, I do appreciate all of these respectful and detailed responses. Thanks again.
@mritchie85
@mritchie85 Күн бұрын
Remember "Kumite" means Grappling hands, that is not by accident!
@tichtran664
@tichtran664 21 сағат бұрын
Kumite meant grappling hands?! That changed my perspective on the Bloodsport movie. LOL 🤣
@mritchie85
@mritchie85 21 сағат бұрын
@@tichtran664 yes a bjj tourny that got really real
@danceHARDorDIE
@danceHARDorDIE Күн бұрын
The armlock beginning at 2:19 is hara gatame
@Statusinator
@Statusinator Күн бұрын
What a sick fight. Proper martial arts, here.
@mritchie85
@mritchie85 Күн бұрын
I love shouting "sweep the leg" at both Judo and Karate competitions.
@timelesswarriors
@timelesswarriors 20 сағат бұрын
But there’s also half of the karate competitions will tell you no sweeping
@mritchie85
@mritchie85 19 сағат бұрын
@@timelesswarriors strike first and strike hard then!👊
@OonaCarsonon
@OonaCarsonon Күн бұрын
J'aime mes hommes comme j'aime mon café : fort, chaud et capable de me tenir éveillée au-delà de 21 heures💚
@Kairiky77
@Kairiky77 Күн бұрын
🥋🌸
@Chadi
@Chadi Күн бұрын
The book “The Origins & History of Judo” is now available on Amazon worldwide in English, French, and Japanese, not just the links below. You can search for it in the Amazon of your own country. Amazon EU: amzn.eu/d/bfEkJmQ Amazon US: a.co/d/dNyMInt Amazon Asia: amzn.asia/d/aRU8ZXn French version: amzn.eu/d/8SN3DNs Thank you all.
@didiervidry7687
@didiervidry7687 8 сағат бұрын
Bonjour chadi, Look at All KAKIE technique made by morio HIGAONNA sensei. He got an anvil in the HARA. These pushing hands are the first shape of body to get for realyse a good fight against a judoka or wrestler. Salutations. Look at the vidéo : KAKIE.shihan morio HIGAONNA 10 dan. Okinawa karaté goju ryu.
@jesuscarmelorodriguezlem-id2vu
@jesuscarmelorodriguezlem-id2vu Күн бұрын
Muy interesante
@knw-seeker6836
@knw-seeker6836 Күн бұрын
On another note Much respect that you make everything work out with the work, school at night and judo training How did you plan everything?😅 No one gives you anything in this world is true all the way I guess Plus architects or people from similar fields have a really interesting style of understanding about how the world works Very structural, relationships and cause an effect
@Chadi
@Chadi Күн бұрын
@@knw-seeker6836 most of my presentations here are the same as I did them back in school, the idea is to not leave loophole for arguing or very little. I didn’t plan anything I just went with it. 😄
@knw-seeker6836
@knw-seeker6836 Күн бұрын
@ simplicity and just beginning is the most important like you mentioned Procrastinating by overcomplicating is very frustrating
@knw-seeker6836
@knw-seeker6836 Күн бұрын
Well deserved It’s a quality no bs no nonsense content Straight to the point
@Chadi
@Chadi Күн бұрын
@@knw-seeker6836 thank you very much
@Yupppi
@Yupppi Күн бұрын
Great video again! Cool history and detailed analysis on rather wide perspective. Interesting and useful.
@Chadi
@Chadi Күн бұрын
@@Yupppi thank you
@flobro5000
@flobro5000 Күн бұрын
Wrestling has the most UFC champions. Trade your gi for a singlet. I agree with you BJJ sucks at takedowns.
@TheNewForestObservatory
@TheNewForestObservatory Күн бұрын
Leather soled shoes on polished wooden floors really are the best. Dropped a bully in the 6th form - sounded like a bag of billiard balls hitting the floor :)
@didiervidry7687
@didiervidry7687 2 күн бұрын
Je suppose qu'il est important de savoir faire la roue comme un gymnaste pour faire des beaux mouvement de judo où de lutte. Apprendre le corps d'abord. Après, tout est plus facile.