Chained Echoes: Battle and Progression System 101 | Backlog Battle

Now that Chained Echoes is out, let's go over some of the fundamentals of its battle and progression systems in this handy guide! Feel free to use the chapter markers to browse through the video, and leave a comment if you need more help!
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0:00 - INTRO
1:05 - PART I - BATTLE SYSTEM
1:12 - Overdrive System: Party
3:42 - Overdrive System: Sky Armors
4:24 - Sky Armor Gear Breakdown
5:46 - Elemental debuffs
6:13 - "Feel free to experiment!"
6:24 - What happens after battle/death?
7:25 - Adjusting its difficulty
8:09 - PART II - PROGRESSION SYSTEM
8:12 - SP and Loot
8:24 - Loots and Deals
8:46 - How much SP you actually get after battle
9:32 - Make sure to keep your equipment updated
10:49 - Learning new Skills
11:33 - All about Classes
12:25 - Stats and what they really mean
13:02 - CLOSING
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[@AnaatthiGozo]

Your Ultra Move bar actually automatically fills up at the start of a boss battle, no grind needed for that preparation

[@BacklogBattle]

Thanks! Somehow didn’t notice that! Probably because I grinded before the bosses lol

[@cleverlikem3218]

i just got into a fight after using towards the end of a fight and it was not filled up

[@ChicCanyon]

@cleverlikem3218 its only for boss fights that it auto fills. Standard trash mobs it carries from wherever it was from the last battle

[@jeremyjoyner9796]

@@cleverlikem3218 during the first boss after the prologue it gives you a tutorial that explains you will have a full gauge for your ultra move at the start of every boss

[@bobrudolph5161]

Beat me too it… it’s always full at the onset of boss fights.

[@diegodru]

I'm 7 hours into this game and I am having a blast. Honestly, it's been years since I played a turn-based RPG that good. The systems are so well thought, nothing is useless or boring. Really a must-play game.

[@BacklogBattle]

Glad you think so! Here’s to more fun times ahead!

[@user-ql4xz6sz6z]

True. I couldn’t even afford to get bored because of the Overdrive system. I have to constantly think about not going into Overheat. And being able to switch party members during combat made me use my brain much more than conventional turn-based RPGs

[@SkydazeSP]

Great video, Alex! Started playing this on a whim, and this video is well-made and an excellent go-to resource.

[@sleepiestofall]

I have genuinely needed a JRPG like this. The market is so damn bloated. And for there now to be such a beautiful game. At such a low price, TURN BASED EVEN?!

[@R3in_Ch]

yeah this game tries other ideas (or you could say innovate the jrpg abit) which i want to see in new games. pick up a pokemon game it doesnt really different from the older gens (arceus does abit but its too "samey")

[@BacklogBattle]

Other people keep saying turn based RPGs are dead, and yet we keep seeing both Western and Japanese RPGs with Turn Based Combat every single year! Even Square Enix has doubled down back on it!

[@sleepiestofall]

@@BacklogBattle True enough that they aren't completely dead. I suppose there just aren't as many as I'd like there to be. I hate that it's slowly becoming more frowned upon for them to be turned based.

[@stinky_nut_blast]

Rarely I have played so many turn-based (S)RPGs in a single year. Monochrome Mobius, Pathfinder WotR, Relayer Advanced, Legend of Heroes Kuro no Kiseki, Astria Ascending, Solasta, Atelier Sophie, Triangle Strategy, Lost Eidolons.

[@chillodesiac]

came here while contemplating purchasing this game during sale season... instant follow for your concise and engaging explanation!

[@tord111]

Thanks a lot man ! Been playing for about 5 hours and still had tons of questions about the game. Your video helped answer most of them !

[@erinzimmerman7686]

I just started this game and am loving it so far! Thanks for the helpful tips.

[@PabloClobares]

I just bought it on Switch and will be playing during the weekend. Loving your head start dear Alex, as usual, you are one of the Goats of KZbin for me :) ❤️

[@BacklogBattle]

Aww thank you so much! Hope you'll enjoy it this weekend!

[@witchersteve1918]

Thank you so much for this! It’s so nice to have something like this. Please continue to cover this game!

[@BacklogBattle]

Thanks for your support as always!

[@koxonutboy]

Thanks dude I am thinking about whether I want to buy the game digitally or wait for a physical release.

[@BacklogBattle]

@@koxonutboy I’m impatient so I’d much rather play the game today, so digital!

[@koxonutboy]

@@BacklogBattle I caved and downloaded it last night haha

[@gilded_lady]

Thanks for the clarification on SP. This game could reaaalllly use a glossary

[@BacklogBattle]

Really would! Or a way to review the tutorials!

[@mylastright]

Thanks for this, I ended up getting handled without really knowing how deep this game really is! 10 hours in so far, enjoying this so much.

[@BacklogBattle]

No problem! Glad I could help!

[@stevelewis1239]

Thank you. This guide help me a lot.

[@gmmr04]

Wow, I just started to play and I’m glad I found your video. Informational and concise! Very helpful!! Now I have an idea of what I’m doing lol

[@alterego5550]

Good job, bought this day 1 an started last night. Kinda fire, I like it 😎

[@amytheshihtzumom]

Thanks for the video. This is just what I needed to know about the game.

[@elangtetuko97]

Wow, thank you so much for the guide. It helps a lot

[@user-uk5ly3mf7j]

Good explanation, very detail.

[@tinbapakk]

Very instructive video, thanks

[@yusrizalyusof587]

I like the story progression and game mechanics is quite interesting. A must have game to play, really recommended.

[@juicefrosty9452]

tysm for this guide, this helps alot for beginners, love the video very detailed

[@Victory0901]

Fantastic guide. Answered a lot of the questions around abilities and attributes. Keep up the great work! ✊🏾

[@BacklogBattle]

Thanks a ton! Glad this helped!

[@caoimhind3376]

Useful video! Thanks !

[@Edward_242]

This looks interesting, thanks for the video, it's clear and well described. Laughed at your channel name too.

[@BacklogBattle]

Glad that got a chuckle! Thanks for checking my video out!

[@asadavis9532]

I look forward to beating this game just to beat it again now that I know what I’m doing lol Thanks for the tips. Wish I had watched videos before playing it for several hours lol

[@JohnRambo1947-July-6th]

Enjoying this game so much!!!!

[@pixelartgamergirl]

Great break down i loved it

[@Razil1982]

Great vid, thanks

[@bmartinez002]

Thanks for the guide i needed help

[@SwitchRPG]

Great work here

[@BacklogBattle]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@delta99nine]

This is a great video, thanks for the intel

[@cthomas72208]

This game is so freaking good.

[@ZurielMana]

Loving this game. Plus all those sweet sweet Trophies.

[@skilo9626]

Thanks for this video

[@johnbadfrog]

Good work m8!

[@Lorijenken]

about 5hrs in its been great :D

[@GustavoHawke]

This game is near perfection!

[@mrdarkstar3756]

Having a blast with this game, didn't know I could lower difficulty lol. Good to know doubt I will though because I'm just loving the challenge through and through

[@NathanYoungLibrary]

I had NO IDEA how the SP was working and there doesn't seem to be an in-game "journal" of how battle systems work? So, massive thanks for this video. Seems like for all the systems in the game, you get the dialogue breakdown 1 time and then you're left alone?

[@BacklogBattle]

Yea. The dev knows of it though, but he’s powering through the bugs and fixing them before adding new features.

[@timothykirby4406]

Nice, I’m four hours in. Game is really cool

[@Qubicle.]

btw, you can equip personal skill in class slot. so classless characters can equip excess active/passive skills that don't have room in personal skill slots.

[@BacklogBattle]

Yep! I cover that in the video!

[@PressStartMark]

Just bought this game today on switch getting Chrono trigger vibes man im lovingnthe game so far im about 2.5 hrs in cant eait for sea of stars as well aw yea thanks for the tips too u blessed ya boi with some knowledge

[@BacklogBattle]

You're very welcome! Glad to see you're enjoying the game!

[@trashcangoblin420]

the combat in this game is SO good!

[@aaron6493]

Yes really good but not for everyone. Some people have been playing JRPGS their whole life by grinding to win, here that doesn't fly.

[@cleverlikem3218]

@@aaron6493 I'm trying to figure out what does fly other than sheer luck

[@aaron6493]

@@cleverlikem3218 On hard luck will not help. You will need to think and try until you win.

[@aaron6493]

@@cleverlikem3218 I will give you an easy example, many complaint on the plant that gets your whole party's HP to 1. You need to know what you are doing otherwise you are dead, no luck will help you.

[@cleverlikem3218]

@@aaron6493 I did it. after brainstorming about different tactics all day at work I i got home and gave it another go. Now I'm flying around happily in sky armor. Thanks for the advice though. Backlog and you, Aaron, do a good job. Of advising rather than hand holding which is good

[@jackblack6237]

I love this fucking game!

[@lordsilver87]

Thank you

[@moparlinke]

I love it,and free to play with game pass 🤘🏻

[@krzysztofkalinowski2998]

Great video! It helped a lot! One more thing i don't know. You start game leveling characters and I see there tech points. What are Tech points?

[@BacklogBattle]

That’s what you use to cast spells and skills! TP

[@robm6726]

Seems very interesting, my question is, by the end of your adventure, will you be able to max out your party, or will there be skills left on the table no matter what you do?

[@warriorfire8103]

Get them all

[@ricardohafez2042]

Nice video! Can I ask how many classes are there?

[@BacklogBattle]

There’s a trophy for getting 12 class emblems, so let’s go with that! Each Sky Armor also plays differently depending on their weapon, but it’s technically not considered a class!

[@kkkeeeiiinnnooo]

Does AGI effect hit chance as well or just turn order? And are you able to refund your GS at some point in the story or are you locked in once you spend it?

[@BacklogBattle]

No respec. Also, AGI only affects frequency of turns/turn order!

[@GloriousGrunt]

Great intel for noobs like me :) thanks!

[@hadoo1973]

Another thing I didn't realize was the things u unlock for moving across the board has two pages. The second page let's you claim stuff for chains. I had sacred water just waiting there for me. I missed out on leveling up he emblem in Basil cause I didn't realize

[@BacklogBattle]

Sounds like you gotta watch this video again ;)

[@hadoo1973]

@@BacklogBattle I have covid, I'll blame it on the brain fog

[@stinky_nut_blast]

Every game throwing a shashlik enemy at you, has its heart at the right place.

[@BacklogBattle]

Haha good eye on that!

[@hadoo1973]

I get to be the first guy. Thanks for this video 😁

[@Roanix1]

...I have an SP *POOL* ??? Well, I'm glad I watched this...

[@Oneiroclast]

Are there enough grimoire shards to unlock every skill?

[@msguysmiley]

Question about agility. If you get enough can you act twice before an enemy or is it always 'everyone gets a turn and this is just your turn order'

[@xyz-ln5qu]

Agi u can act 2 times before than enemy

[@1gr8chef123]

What are the SP points used for? I have a lot and haven't used any. Also i know the stars are used to buy skills but how are they obtained? can i grind to get more?

[@BacklogBattle]

The video literally answers all of the questions you just asked

[@pralenkaman8105]

Won't spoil what happens in the story, but around the point where you get sky armors, I found that the combat really took a difficulty spike, now this ain't a bad thing, I rarely got a game over before this but now even normal encounters can result in a game over I think it's interesting for an rpg to not have a level system because I never feel overpowered, I might find a strategy that works for a lot of encounters but that strategy normally relies on one of my party members that are far from invincible, 3-5 hits are generally enough to take them down which makes encounters where the enemies have aoe attacks quite challenging

[@JagerLionhunter]

For the OD bar, I pretty much try to bounce back around yellow for a turn just to be always in the safe side lol.

[@BacklogBattle]

I’d like to see you try this on the boss that messes up the gauge LOL

[@JagerLionhunter]

@@BacklogBattle ohhh I'm not there yet! Great stuff!

[@aproy42]

So i have like a 40+chain that i have not claimed. Was wondering if i claim the. Chain can i still continue said chain and get the other rewards latter on or do i need to do it as one big chain?

[@BacklogBattle]

The chain refers to the continuous adjacent connection between the rewards, not how many rewards you obtain back to back! So feel free to obtain those rewards ASAP!

[@aproy42]

@@BacklogBattle thanks.

[@khoerulumam8316]

can we skip or change the enemy next turn like octopath traveller?

[@zedetach]

Can someone explain to me how the overdrive items(attack, buff, debuff etc) work? I can't seem to find any guide on this.

[@benjaminharris9863]

If you use them in battle it will lower the Bar into overdrive (move the arrow right) - You have to use the right one though. for example - magic override item when the bar has the symbol for magic, Etc.

[@rayray0987]

Why does Victor's Pressure Point do 2 hits, while his Earthen Drum only does 1? It makes the wind attack stronger on earth weak/wind resistant enemies than the earth attack. Is there a point to his earth attack?

[@1gr8chef123]

DOES chaging the options to make the enemies easier change the ending of the game? some games that is the case.

[@BacklogBattle]

Not at all!

[@Blizzalord]

Do you know what the passive Skills do that cause Weakness Damage and additional 0%? For Example the passive Skill Earthattack

[@raptorxd2146]

they add the elemnt but dont add extra dmg. if it says additional 15% it means that it also adds 15% to dmg

[@BahamutMagusX]

Do you know if a character still gains SP after a battle if they're dead?

[@BacklogBattle]

Yes they do!

[@BahamutMagusX]

@@BacklogBattle Very helpful, thank you for your quick reply!

[@NILsandMAN00]

How do you know if something is a physical or a magic attack

[@cliftonsargent1572]

How do you use the air ship? What are the blue points with the “!” On the map What is the gold star with the > in it?

[@xyz-ln5qu]

Blue is secondary quest and yellow primary

[@toad7424]

Are you able obtain enough Grimoire Shards to learn ALL the skills? If not, is there a way for you to reset? I want to know before I regret some decisions later..

[@BacklogBattle]

Yes! And no there’s no way to respec

[@toad7424]

@@BacklogBattle Thanks for the info. Now I can calmy learn skills.

[@chococo5252]

But how exactly do you know when an attack uses physical or magical damage? Just guessing by the attack description?

[@xyz-ln5qu]

Magic attack has yellow icon and say magic

[@cleverlikem3218]

where are the classes? All i have is Cleric so far. where are these statues at? Im in this snowy area and these snowmen are kicking my ass!! :(

[@BacklogBattle]

Gotta explore more! Check the Reward board - there’s at least one per explorable area (not a town) I think!

[@cleverlikem3218]

@@BacklogBattle I'll try but I feel like there's something with combat. Like half the battle is trying to take down one enemy out of the 4. By the time I get one down my party is nearly dead. I barely make it out with one party member alive every fight now. Damn snowmen

[@BacklogBattle]

@@cleverlikem3218 try different combinations of starting party members and if you got a surplus of skills, equip the ones that’ll help encounters in the area. Focusing on one enemy at a time is the right strategy! You can do this!

[@cleverlikem3218]

@@BacklogBattle thanks

[@1234zorg]

What dictates a class skill being maxed out?

[@alfinfrw]

if one of ur party died, did they still get SP if they still dead?

[@BacklogBattle]

Yes!

[@cliftonsargent1572]

How do you run away on PS4? How do you upgrade the classes your get the hero things?

[@BacklogBattle]

Press L1 to run! I think you press it twice. What do you mean by upgrade the classes?

[@cliftonsargent1572]

@@BacklogBattle so the hero things you get and 1 character gets to equip it, what do you do with it? Does it level up? I have the cleric and vampire ones so far. I just got to the castle and the brother king is trying to kill us

[@1gr8chef123]

how long is this game if you are just doing the main story?

[@BacklogBattle]

About 35-40 hours I’d say

[@Alexis-rb4kl]

It's posible to make characters under level? i'm on a run of 6 hs and i got softlock in a combat with just 2 simple enemies. I mean, I do like 62 hit and the enemies one shot my party. I'm on wygrand mines and in the first fight when you choose the path with the 3 guys, in the first battle entering the mines I simple can't win. They one shot me.

[@xyz-ln5qu]

Learn hp and def skills and stats

[@LucasFerreira-th5ol]

I didn't get the "deals" system. Neither how to look what's the vendor is looking for, neither the rewards. I also found a bug on the game, when selling equiped sky armor pieces, you gain the gold, but the piece stay on your inventory for the negotiation time. Basic you can sell it endless times.

[@xyz-ln5qu]

For deals u need sell loots then the merchant sell u special items

[@deshawnthomas]

I never noticed the skill type thing and im near endgame... oops lol

[@jockmattock9239]

There's no tutorial review in the game.

[@BacklogBattle]

Yep. I heard that it might be patched in later.

[@jockmattock9239]

@@BacklogBattle No problem. Figuring it out the old fashion way. Thanks for the help, Alex. Luv this game. Patch or no patch. I luv Chained Echoes.

[@gamebit9063]

10 hrs in, I am sorta enjoying it however it seems a little too complicated for me. I like more the difficulty level of a Zelda game.

[@1gr8chef123]

Do you not gain levels on this game??? What is this all the different charter stories at the beginning? I hope the whole game is not this kind of game. I like one main story. Do all the characters come together as one team early on???

[@BacklogBattle]

1. There are no levels or experience points in this game. 2. The character stories are just there to introduce the characters that'll be in the party. 3. Yes, within the first few hours.

[@1gr8chef123]

@@BacklogBattle AWESOME....thank you for the info,much appreciated!!

[@Minorcas13]

Would've preferred just to level up, this progression kinda puts me off on playing it

[@15Jin15]

hope you reconsider, is good sometime to play different styles. Still, this progression make every story fight more challenging instead of just overpower

[@Minorcas13]

@@15Jin15 can you respec on the fly and stuff? Cuz I don't want to mess up my skill points and be unable to do anything

[@15Jin15]

@@Minorcas13 You can get all skills for everyone if you do all sidequest and missions. So even if you mess up early you can fix it later. No Respec option

[@Minorcas13]

@@15Jin15 then I might give it a shot

[@hermanberg-fu2co]

why not a single word about boss battles , bosses have no health bar

[@BacklogBattle]

Because this isn’t a walkthrough

[@fefnireindraer144]

The crystal system is horrible. I'm in act 3 and have NEVER slotted a single crystal.

[@xyz-ln5qu]

U need farm a lot crystals

[@biggains1]

I have healing skills set for use on people that have sky armor but the healing spells don't show up in battle as one of my skills to use. Do you have any idea why that would be?

[@seba830]

Hey i just have a question, how can i earn more SP? I only get a few after battles. Im thinking it will take ages to maxout stuff. Secondly, i dont know if u beat the goons from the guy that you crashed the wedding at but i didnt get any shards from him? Does my game have bugs? Couse i cant get like past level 8, but i wanna unlock new skills tho

[@BacklogBattle]

You'll earn more SP later! Also, consider what I said about how SP works in the game in the video and it'll start to make sense. You'll have no problems maxing out stuff easily, especially in the mid to late game. Not all boss type enemies drop shards and unfortunately I don't remember if the wedding side quest drops them or if you get it at the completion of the quest itself.

[@hadoo1973]

So um, yeah, I had no idea I could spend SP. Haven't leveled up any skills...🫣

[@BacklogBattle]

Really?! Well, now you do!

[@MrJvchef]

I’m still trying to spend my sp…. Does it open up later on?

[@hadoo1973]

@@MrJvchef u can spend right away,look at lower right of screen when u are on the set skills menu. You must have enough to level the skill though, can't do it partially