Chainsaws! Let’s talk chain gauge, vs bar rails. What does it all mean

[@brianlamb5274]

Buckin “I see no reason to run this heavy bar” also Buckin “let me run this vintage 30lb power saw” haha

[@samuelluria4744]

Two different things

[@CuttinWithCody]

🤣

[@jimpace2186]

Hi Buckin. I've been following your site for a long time, and I really enjoy it. I really love your way of thinking . Your attitude is amazing. I have always been kind of a miserable old fart, but thanks to you I'm slowly changing my ways. It's hard to change after 64 years of being grumpy, but I'm getting there. I used to do a lot of saw work when I was younger and your videos kind of take me back to the good old. Thanks for the attitude adjustment and the memories. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@applesbighatranch6906]

Jim, your attitude is also amazing. For an older dude to even think about the changing for the better! It's a tough thing, but underneath your prior grump is the heart of a champion. Your reply here to one of Billy's many presentations is a pleasant, wonderful surprise. God bless you.

[@johnhanson4795]

billy makes me laugh hes got a good heart you can tell and very talented master of his craft!a master takes a lifetime!

[@dalehuston7374]

I appreciate you explaining the difference in chain and bars. Most KZbin videos are about the power head, I like it that you take the time to talk about the bar and chain, let’s face it without the bar and chain the power head is no good to us cutting wood!

[@daveski4496]

Buckin you should find a chunk of rubber for your tailgate, it makes working on saws so much more pleasant. Like from industrial belts or semi truck mud flaps. Guarantee you will love the difference.

[@Matt-bn2op]

WOW THE RPM NEVER REALLY DROPPED WITH A LOAD ON HER. THAT BABY IS HUNG GREEE!!! ❤❤

[@FYMM69]

Love the videos buckin. Some viewers may not know that .050/.058/.063 “gauge” actually means the driver thickness in thousands of an inch. I can see why Donny wants to run nothing but .063”, one he won’t have to inventory a wide variety of chain and maybe too bc you west coast cats running longer bars combined with powerheads making gobs of power, that heavier gauge chain won’t stretch and spit chains as easily as say the thinner .050” that we run here in SW Ontario. Although the heavier .058”/.063” is a bit more rolling resistance and Robs a bit of power, unless we’re sayracing we’ll never notice it.

[@rrssmooth6643]

I really loved this video. you would put any chainsaw manufacturer to shame when it comes to knowledge.

[@andrewdow1609]

"Use your file gauge, it's the only thing it's good for" Comedy gold right there folks. Well done BBR. Well done.

[@lnc23]

Silly tip indeed

[@jamesbarisitz4794]

Great instructions and generous patience with the comments. A real gent, and cuts well for man who broke in half.👍

[@johnhudson6469]

Lucy, you’ve got some ’splainin to do!! Love the way you walked us through that explanation! Thanks for the info! Love ya brother!❤️🪓

[@jirusjirus9322]

I heard from a guy George Jetson that Spacely sprockets were the best. 😊 It was a kind gesture to let me know because I'm easily cornfused. Peace and love go together like a horse and carriage... i think.

[@dadof2boys663]

Short sweet and simple! Love ya brother hope all is well with the buck family and army

[@sagebrushhillbilly4655]

Folks should keep in mind that it was both a new bar and chain. There was a little resistance when you first turned the chain by hand when you first installed it. Thats because there was absolutely no bar oil in the bar groove or on the chain. The saw had not run yet. That chain initially went on exactly how it should have.

[@juliomcdermott4696]

The BBR College of Knowledge. I love it.

[@ElmhorstJ]

Buckin broke my back in 96 T9 complete in tree fallen bad hap. . you have same passion i have love ,and runnen the macs love .cut the biggest in wisconsin red oaks whites . . fer 1976 1996 loved it . made it in timber harvester magazine . . keep cutten be safe!!!!!!!

[@jirusjirus9322]

A new TV station showed up DEFY tv... Forged in Fire / counting cars / pawn stars /ax men.... Yesss Two episodes that feature Buckin Billy Ray's tree service. What a great day to hear Hogan say "it's like a one on one guitar lesson" Recovering from a pruning job of black walnut yesterday... Physically tired, feels great!

[@chrisbeck8182]

Have a passion for what you love and live for that love. Find your peace with the world and give back more than you receive. THAT is the way of Buckin’ Billy Ray!

[@OkanganMadViking250]

Morning everyone hope you all are having a great start to the weekend and happy Thanksgiving to everyone. And to be competely honest the iron horse is a master at his craft hands down.

[@thehealedheartspace]

👋👍💪🔥❣✌❤

[@talltimber4577]

Harv is unreal! He goes hand and hand with BBR! From two different parts of the country with the same mind set. Small world isn’t it? Two men with the same thing in common the distance between them is only a number.

[@onestopfabshop3224]

I'm glad you said that about the high idle. I have found on my port jobs, I need to keep the idle a little higher just so it stays running. Not chain going, but a little higher. Makes me feel like my portiing is good. Thanks Buckin'

[@gerritvanwilligen]

How nice of you to clear things up. There's more than just this I learned from you over the years, but the most remarkable is that I learned how to think within the imperial system. A tree being x foot tall is in my head automaticly divided by 3 to give at least an idea of how tall that tree really is, but when it comes to inches things get a bit more tricky. For example, the 063 being on a Stihl the standard 1.6 mm. I can't find a logic way to remember this, so I guess that's going to take while to really get it down 🙂

[@jbbolts]

1" equals 25.4mm..... so yeah... no simple way really

[@gerritvanwilligen]

@@jbbolts It's the 8's, 16's etc that create the mess in my European head :)

[@jbbolts]

@@gerritvanwilligen 1/2 of 1000 is .500 or 1/2" .. 1/2 of .5 (.500) is .250 or 1/4" inch ...1/2 of .250 is .125 or 1/8"... thats where the 8ths and 16ths come from... 1/4"= 6.35mm thats a bit of a base line hope that helps and not makes things worse 😃

[@gerritvanwilligen]

@@jbbolts Thanks 😀 It does help to understand, but going through a system of knowledge like that when Buckin' for example starts talking about a 7/32 file he uses... I simply use Google to figure it out.

[@two-strokesmoke7289]

Gauge is width of teeth and measurement of groove in bar; hence the need for "pinching" the bar to get gauge back in spec. Pitch is the size of teeth or distance between rivets. Bigger pitch usually are used on higher horsepower saws (bigger chips and "noodles") and "smaller" pitch (smaller teeth) on lower horsepower saws. Cutting speed can vary greatly depending on sprocket size and "horsepower" of saw. A correctly set up saw and chain "combo" will have very good cutting speed.....Hot rodding of course can change most parameters to a wide degree.

[@two-strokesmoke7289]

One can change cutting speed on any given saw by changing pitch of chain and or sprocket size. (How do I know this? First hand experience) With the right amount of horsepower of course!!!! Example: Going to a "smaller" pitch and "increasing" sprocket size (resulting in higher chain speed) will probably increase cutting speed considerably. Also, simply changing the sprocket size (bigger) will increase cutting speed. One must be CAREFUL, not to exceed design limits of chain and or SAW!!!!!! In so doing it could pose a very dangerous condition for the OPERATOR!!!!

[@two-strokesmoke7289]

My previous comments are based on MY EXPERIENCE!!!! I am not recommending anything here, use your own best judgement!!!! Have a great day ALL!!!!

[@goodboyringo9716]

Chain saw sounds great ! At time 8:10 You know you'er a real log cutter when you have a wash tub full of old chains, time 14:26

[@LoneWolfFirewood]

Ironhorse does it again! What a saw wow

[@mlasch1478]

Oh Great, Buckin, the follow up to the Sprocket damaging the chain video. Also, awesome to see that Husky Adapter for Stihl Bars. As a new user to bigger saws, I try to learn many things. A few years back I bought a Mac 200, then got a Stihl MS660 to go with my 026's and 044. Then I bought a pair of Stihl Muscle saws. An 051 and 075. These both take the Stihl bars with the larger mount opening. In looking to add to my equipment I bought a selection of used bars off a West Coast sawyer. Here is what I got, 6 404 063 bars. 2 from Stihls , 3 THAT FIT Stihls ( one is a Windsor) and 1 for a Husky. 1 25in. 2 32in. 2 that are 34 or 36 1 husky 32 bottom. I also bought some new Oregon Bars to mount Ripping chain for chainsaw milling.

[@ktrudeau340]

Leave it to old Harvey to make another 371 that sounds like a snowmobile doing 100mph😆

[@bansheex2918]

Lol that's exactly what was going through my head...

[@garyhenion9459]

Love to have that magic worked on my 371 That thing is awesome

[@splitpin1764]

Hi Buckin most of us are used to husqvarna being 058. Swing a husky branded bar in 063 will be new to most out there

[@lennie8098]

People say O58 and O63 but it is really 58 thousandths and 63 thousandths , that is how it is supposed to be said, there is no O but a 0.

[@retiredwelder]

Man that saw is so awesome. You can tell she’s hot lol. And my god it’s so crisp and snappy. Looking forward to seeing more of that saw!! It sounds so dam good. GREAT JOB IRONHORSE!!! I still say my two favorite saws are Harvey’s p38 and Tinman’s HOTROD homelite!!!as always work safe everybody 😎😎🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@GCL61]

Tailgate bench would be slick. Awesome informative vid BBR, thanks for sharing as always. Catch ya on the flip

[@Aint1S]

I'm glad you said sprocket because I've got 4 or 5 Poulan sprockets I've been meaning to TIG weld. I still have to grind on them to sort out which filler wire I'll be using on them, but I'm sure they'll be fine when I finish. Sprockets do go crazy when they go.

[@jeffreyrubish347]

The entrance music for the saw room, lol. It's got to be hard to keep everything, including sprockets in perfect order on THAT many saws.

[@logicVSpassion]

Buckin, it wasn't the gauge or the pitch or anything.... it was an old drive sprocket that made mushrooms on the tips of the drive links.... Harvey has a great video on when to replace drive sprocket.

[@BrucesShop]

Thanks for the educational fun. I think I am in chain saw class 104 now.

[@johnrosier1686]

Always more to learn…the party never ends!

[@Zebracat5]

Old School Buckin Billy Ray. No new school social media. A true Logger. He teaches to Love your Neighbor, . Other Channels teach God only knows.

[@andrewscott2866]

The high road is very smooth and peaceful 🙂👍

[@shisholy7828]

Fun video Billy Ray, what did the Plug look like? I enjoy watching Iron Horse, thanks for introducing him.

[@tazman-kennyfuller]

Thanks Buckin. Love it and thank you Ironhorse for another great build. I just love seeing it being built and then run in the wood. Such a great connection. Love ya Buckin. 🌲❤🌲✊🪓

[@erikdbriggs1]

Hey Billy! Thumbs up!!!

[@johnarnettsways.8758]

Love ya buddy. Had no doubt you could clear things up. 🌲🌲🌲

[@ferristhoughts2186]

I’m still searching the internet for an answer to the greatest mystery of the Universe. What are the Pros & Cons of .050, .058, and .063 gauge, and what is the best application/scenario for each? Your help is appreciated, Buckin’!!

[@beaugibson2951]

You can make them all work for whatever scenario, 063 is my favorite. You want a list here. .063 pros- heavy duty, less chain stretch, imo cuts better Cons-slighty more heavy .050 pros- common, lighter Cons- stretches more, not as strong, some say more of a chance to overheat and doesnt lube as well in big cuts .058 is in the middle but not popular in my area and I dont use it or know anyone who does. I wouldnt overthink it, they all work good if you keep them sharp.

[@lanedexter6303]

Funny you mention running a bit loose except in brush. I threw a chain today, cutting a tiny branch at an odd angle. Apparently my firewood setup is not a brush setup. 🙄

[@leonardobatistarocha7956]

The Lumberjack Jackyl Composição: Jesse James Dupree I was born in the backwoods Of a two-bit nowhere town Fathered up some rock 'n' roll (baby) So you muthers could boogie down I ain't whistling dixie No I'm a rebel with a groove All around the world the ygo 'round and 'round When they dig on my new stainless steel sound I'm a lumberjack baby I'm gonna cut you down to size I'm a lumberjack baby And you're the one that gets my prize And when you hear my motor running You know I surely be coppin' a rise So I'm gonna crank it up and cut it down Oh I'm a lumberjack baby I'm a lumberjack now baby I'm a lumberjack baby Oh I'm a lumberjack baby But I ain't jacked my lumber baby Since my chain saw you Wheter you like it or wheter you don't whoa That's the way we like it

[@austindenotter19]

Papow!

[@tbabajan]

I wonder what he’d wanna run on the 500i. I know he isn’t all that stoked on them, but the power for weight ratio is unreal. And for a stock saw it stands up to his ported saws pretty well.

[@twelvetwenty-two353]

He was running a 32” rollomatic es light on the one at his dads house with a full house chain. Ran a 462/500i side by side in that video.

[@leonardvirtue5753]

Teacher! !!!! Of the year!!!!!😲 go's too!!! Sir buckin billy ray smith 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😆.💪 let's Go! !! People are we watching let's! !!!! Lern together 😆😊

[@Whateva67]

You probably wouldn’t want to pack my 066 with a 32” cannon superbar, heavy as shit but I love it 😎

[@jasonmunsey246]

watched you on another channel. Love your knowledge. Had to subscribe

[@Southernpinesap]

Bucking you ever looked in to some of the cannon superbars they have a light bar.

[@FishFind3000]

Buckin check out stihls hexagon cutters on there new chains. It’s supposed to be the best of both round and square ground and easier to file then square.

[@willbrennan3840]

I feel like I would just buy sthil RS chain and just get a box of new files

[@eurokid83]

The Stihl hexa chain isn’t gonna be available in North America until some time next year. Looks pretty interesting though, I’d like to try it out.

[@codyroger9581]

That x-tough would look real nice on the 94!

[@stevetheriault4164]

That saw is nuts great job IRONHORSE she cuts eh

[@TomGorman-x8q]

I wore 50 gauge bar and used 58 gauge chain, works good

[@briano3128]

Tailgate workbench, backed into the shed, 👍

[@otway00]

You need a bigger shed for that chain saw collection.

[@leonardobatistarocha7956]

Hey Billy Ray i love chainsaws

[@bigcut0631]

Nice job Buckin! My love for the power saw is growing. I just have a Shindaiwa 488 with 20" bar its 20 years old and still runs like new but I looking into getting a 70+ cc saw any suggestions? I have my eye on a Stihl 462 with a 28" bar what is your opinion of that saw?

[@michaelwhiteoldtimer7648]

Did you see that Shindawa has a 757, I have one and it is a great saw

[@danbailey5992]

@@michaelwhiteoldtimer7648 I have a 757 as well it's a monster.

[@ATFisGay]

372, 572

[@stuartramage5933]

Awesomeness peace from Scotland

[@glenspryszak6005]

So after all the conjecture, what exactly was the problem with the sprocket.....? Enquiring minds need to know....

[@bigfootandbananaman4746]

I would bet the sprocket was worn down and the tips of the drivers were bottoming out in it

[@wesleybanks9965]

What is the + and - in the different size gauges in saw chain

[@twyke6818]

I got a 461 stihl that will eat that for lunch

[@7viewerlogic670]

Thanks boss.

[@tealjacks9125]

talk about repeat repeat repeat yorself already .... love ittttttttttttttt

[@Lifeinthe906]

Hello Buckin. So what yer saying is ya had a bad sprocket eh. Love and kindness

[@1944chevytruck]

wow! nice saw!...4 video. be kind.

[@randiegadberry5448]

Why do you pull up on the starter cord when you turn off your saw?

[@imanolberecibar]

That is done in some saws so when they are shut off the pawls of the flywheel won't catch on the starter pulley when the engine spins back at the last moment, this avoids damage to the starter components, however this only works on saws like husqvarna or mcculloch where the pawls are located in the flywheel, this shouldn't be done in saws where the pawls are located in the starter pulley as this will damage them, Stihl saws tipically have this type of design and because of that they don't require to pull out the starter cord before shutting them off

[@tomcoca6726]

Is it possible to change the gauge from. 050 to .063 and what advantages and disadvantages are they also what is the difference between a pro saw versus a non pro saw?..........

[@kaynecustoza3365]

Great video ! Now if this happen to me ever I know !

[@snuitwalker7631]

I'm excited for you but I'm disappointed that you don't have just one more saw😉

[@Randpage]

Buckin', how come you don't seem to have any vintage Poulan's, Homelite's or Stihl's hiding in your chainsaw cove?

[@austindenotter19]

If you live close to town replace sprocket and bar. Your time is worth something. If you are way out in the country then learn to repair as you have more time to deal with it.

[@budlvr]

Instead of your thoughts, I wish you would have individually WEIGHED each bar, and shown us the difference! MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, 3/4 of a pound ! I doubt you could tell the difference in a 'blind taste test", just picking them up. But I'll take your word for it.

[@skyhokk77]

This is for the experts in this community. Went to cut some firewood today. Hornbeam ( some type of beech) After the tree was down i started cutting away the branches which were quit strong. After the third or so the chain flipped off the bar for some reason and the drivelinks got dull and did not fit into the bar any more. So I put on a new chain but after a couple of cuts the chain again flipped of the bar with the same result to the drivelinks. Checked the bar for damages but could not find any. So I changed the bar and again the chain and then I was fine. Lucky me to bring a second bar and spare chains out in the wood. First time I ever needed ist. Any ideas what went wrong? Stihl 362-C 20“ bar 3/8 full chissel chain. Greetings from Bavaria.

[@CrimeVid]

Hornbeam makes the best tool handles and wooden plane soles.

[@skyhokk77]

@@CrimeVid can you use it for axe handles?

[@CrimeVid]

@@skyhokk77 I have never heard of anyone doing so, I believe that it is the hardness and evenness of the wood that is wanted. Chisel handles particularly, Boxwood is much used for the same purposes, I suspect that Hornbeam would not have the fibre for a good axe handle, I just looked it up and it has been much used for small hard wooden parts in Europe historically. There’s a good section in Wikipedia on it.

[@skyhokk77]

@@CrimeVid I just looked it up on Wikipedia Germany. Astonished to find out that Hornbeam is not some type of beech. Even so the German name makes you think so. Wikipedia says it once was also used for lots of diffrent farmers tools. I maybe spare some and try the axe handle after its dry.

[@ryanneal9449]

Buckin, since oregon discontinued the reduced weight bars maybe it is possible someone like you with your influence in the industry is what's needed petition them to put them back into production. I have one for 372 and love it but it's the only one I have, ashame I can't get more. Maybe with enough demand from consumers and yourself possibly reaching out to oregon they will give loyal users of their products what they want.

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

My friend, I'm feeling the karma! At some point in the future, you and Wendy are going to visit me and Beth here in southeastern Pennsylvania on Catbird Hill! Will make you a wonderful lunch, And we will just chat about life and all the goodness there is! Love you all...❤️❤️❤️ Lieutenant Bradley

[@eltonsipes3713]

I have never heard of O73 guage chain he is talking about.

[@tomv7552]

I do remember you saying that you thought the tip looked a bit funny sitting in the bar, not aligned properly is something.

[@k4x4map46]

thank you!

[@ToddAdams1234]

A typical chain Husqvarna bar and chain (for big saws) is .058 or 73. That “might” have been the problem.

[@mountainviewturning5319]

Great tips

[@neffofrog]

I guess we'll throw any thoughts of eye safety out the window.

[@DaveyBlue32]

HARVEY IS AWESOME!!!

[@razmataz275]

Can you or do you run a 0.063 chain in a used 0.058 bar? Just wondering what you guys think. Thank you

[@jensenwilliam5434]

Thank you!!!

[@JasonW]

So the sprocket must have just galled the drivers up enough to drag on the bar........ Interesting stuff. ~ White Farms

[@codyroger9581]

Ya if the sprocket is worn badly the drivers of the chain would bottom out and actually hit the clutch drum driver spline. And would definitely burr them up.

[@cedarrocksawshop3876]

Hey Buckin. Great vid, been looking at the new Husqvarna bars but I’ve always been curious why y’all run full house chain and not skip tooth? Out here on the east coast we don’t really need long bars even though I do run mostly 24” and 28” but they are not needed like y’all need them. But on my 24” and 28” I run skip tooth, makes sharpening a lot quicker. Not saying you need to try it, heck, you been a faller and running saws longer than me but I was just curious why y’all run full house chains rather than skip tooth. Just personal preference or the wood y’all have require it. In my are of NC I do service work and chain sharpening for a lot of Christmas Tree farmers and most of my customers run full chains on bow bars and they are an odd driver, but very close to a 24”, 84 driver. Takes forever to sharpen and check the rakers. Trying to talk them into skip tooth because I get 75 to 100 chains at a time. Anyway Buckin, awesome vid, Ole Harv did good on the 371. Thanks man!!!

[@davidbulich1254]

Been logging 43 years in northeast, skip chain may sharpen easier but doesn't cut as fast

[@mhawkins2026]

ok was the sprocket cut wrong ? How did it beat up the chain? similar to how it crunches the chain sometimes when you throw the chain? Tell us Buckin???

[@marcduclos9789]

Yup cranked up the volume and your off to the races. See a stand up and buck in NH on Marc Duclos chanel

[@deconteesawyer5758]

If only Buckin had seen this video before he buggered up his new bar and chain.

[@wesleybanks9965]

You could pass that bar my way my has been on back order since August 😢

[@radojamie]

Hello there just after abit of info about the chain u are using. What is the part number/model number to it I can not make it out on the reel. Because I would love to try some

[@joeyrutherford1790]

When ever I feel down I turn on buckin

[@jonjeeper9425]

Hey buckinbillyray how can i get a hold of a few of those light weight oregon bars??

[@markzoned]

Hey Buckin', I got a stock husky 61 orange top. Do you think a 24" bar is too much for it?

[@mikahakkinen5651]

that saw its awesome,sounds like a ported dirtbike

[@wildman6605]

i've got some catchin up to do

[@johnme7049]

Hohohoh, She cuts eh? For anyone who says it idles too fast; I did not notice the chain spinning at idle so it is not too fast. IMHO Wranglerstar would say, 'It gives me the fizz!' Just look at the smile on Buckin's face. It makes me smile just watching. Smiles, Hugs and kindness are contagious, spread them around!

[@smigletat9634]

Not sure what you mean -75 for a .063 - a 73 for a .058 etc.? I have a 36” Oregon bar on a 500i & it is a .063 & all I could find on the Oregon chain was A3?

[@colindgrant]

A3 is the Carlton model prefix for .063”, similar to how 75 is the Oregon prefix for .063”. And Oregon Products owns Carlton now so maybe that’s why you Irefon branded chain is stamped A3. I bought a WoodlandPRO 36” ripping chain that’s also stamped A3!

[@smigletat9634]

@@colindgrant cool man! Thanks..

[@smigletat9634]

@@colindgrant Thank you sir!

[@Slaughterk360]

Finally someone makes this video

[@ElLeno2827]

So can I run a 050 chain in an 058 bar?