Challenger DISLIKES? | Uninfluenced Reviews

[@CaptainJacksIsland]

Finally, real criticisms that aren't "fit n' finish" or "unbroken history." As someone looking to make a purchase, this actually helps and gives me info I didn't know, so thank you.

[@Uninfluenced]

Glad it helped..

[@biglou3214]

You guys hit the nail on the coffin for me. Those are the same things I complain about as well - the nickel and dime crap. As for the Dealer charging you to flash the bike with stage one tune. The price was excessive for a 10-minute job. My old man always told me to make time to go to the dealer just to shoot the shit. These relationships can sometimes be beneficial. I installed my own air intake and the tech told me to bring it by and I will just throw the tune on for free. It took him 10 minutes. I also give the dealer my business by buying apparel and parts from them. Which are always cheaper than buying them online from the Indian website, they always give me a discount on them.

[@daniellesychr1874]

Glad to even have a short video. We’ll miss the guys tomorrow in their full videos

[@Uninfluenced]

Back to normal next week

[@MrEndovision]

I just bought a 2021 Challenger Darkhorse in may, and I have to say that I 100% agree with everything here. The darkhorse and limited are over 30k after dealership fees. The Darkhorse should come with highway crash bars at MINIMUM for what they charge. I hate that the windshield rattles at speed. It seems cheap for the price point this bike is placed in. I absolutely love my indian and don't regret buying it, but they should come more equipped for the price. It feels like they missed the opportunity to really come out on top over HD with some aspects of the bike rather than just ever so slightly doing a little better.

[@Uninfluenced]

Check to see if they put the bottom screws in your windscreen. I got home found out those weren’t in on mine. Yes they could have 100% took advantage of the bike and made it completely blow HD out of the water.

[@stephenharper3922]

I have a 2020 roadmaster,I agree about the extras that the bike should come with from Indian. Especially the seat. That being said, best bike I have ever sat my ass on. Plenty of torque. Looking forward to hearing more about the stage kit.

[@amberbali8881]

Nice, I appreciate the video> As I have stated before, I am a dyed in the wool Harley rider, 41 years. I test rode 10 HD bikes at Laconia last week and then the Challenger. Hands down the Challenger (Stage 2 bike at the Indian test ride tent) was superior in suspension, power, and features (that adjustable windshield is absolutely the best). Sport mode was awesom for a simple stage 2 bike. I like the look of the Challenger but it doesn't have the visual appeal the Harley has (sorry but what I grew up with). The other issue is the dealer network being very small. But bike vs bike the Challenger is superior to the Road Glide or Street / Electra Glide all the way. And Mike, this is just how it is in the bike world, bare canvas that you are forced to make your own. Pisses me off also but Harley does the same thing. Each individual piece costs $. I have built several, I fab some stuff, modify oem, stock stuff and just bite the bullitt and buy the accessorie pieces. It sucks but it's the tax we pay. Ride on!

[@Uninfluenced]

Yeah great points. If HD does what Indian does with it not being packaged to to a complete seat or have to order a seat pad outside the rest they suck too. Lol. The dealer network is getting better but I agree they do need more

[@waltermitty7452]

@@Uninfluenced What windshileds were put on the bikes?

[@JuanMartinez-gu8sh]

I bought a Wimmer Air Cleaner and 2nd hand Indian Stage 1 slip-on’s, so I had no “tune card”. But I also bought a Dynajet PV3 from FuelMoto and got a bunch of tunes I can select from. They custom create one for you after sending them a download from the stock ECU. You can also request tweaks based on what you are experiencing. I flip flopped between three tunes for a bit until I settled on one that gave me better mpg and drivability. It doesn’t mess with the drive modes either. Think the tuner was $299. I can also mount it on the bars and leave it hooked up for real time stats or logging.

[@jasonbreedlove495]

Good video and same things I've noticed. I'll be buying a Challenger this year and probably do base model then add the bars, stg1 etc.

[@fogit4668]

I don’t like the $1,500 for an optional color. Cars have optional colors at $495. Cars use a lot more paint.

[@robertbeck5101]

Love this !! tell it like it is.. Just bought our new Pursuit last weekend From Ocala Indian.. we love it, and we agree with every thing you just stated...and yea, we got the Stage 1 installed before we bought it, along with Rinehart slip ons, and some cool lights were added in this upgrade... Yea, it was all stupid expensive but this is the keeper bike. Traded in our bmw k1600b in on this, and took an ass kicking, but we were just done with trying to make a bike into something that it isnt. Loving our new Pursuit!!

[@briannash5635]

You didn't like the bmw?

[@annachipalamvaazhai4274]

G'day mates! How ya going? I am an Indian bloke who grew up in Australia and I reckon your show with Mike in it is a bloody ripper! This is for Mike: Mate, you give hope to me and my son that being a real man isn't outdated and your flair for self improvement and sheer competence in everything you venture into and your eloquence are things the world can use many a dose of! Can you please talk about your perspective on self defence and especially empty handed skills and the arts you've trained in and train in if any? Thanks a bunch both! Cheers, Suresh

[@upsidedownflapjack]

Saw clip thumbnail and thought Mike was Fred McGriff in the Tom Emanski baseball instructional videos.

[@Uninfluenced]

😂😂😂

[@RichardMartineau1975]

I juste bought a brand new Challenger Limited and I agree with EVERYTHING in this video. Some stuff SHOULD come with the bike by default. Crashbars, front and back, backrest, homelink...

[@mybudinesd4545]

I totally understand and agree with your point of view they are pulling the Harley Davidson business model the old Nickel and Dime BS. This is why inferior metric bikes are finding their way into American’s garages.

[@thelost_woods]

For real, I got a Slim right now but I'm damn tempted into buying a Kawasaki Vaquero/Voyager. Full on touring bike for about the same price as a Harley Softail with absolutely no features

[@randomstuffwithjoe]

Man.. I can't agree more. I spent $32k for a '22 Chieftain Dark Horse Icon... and I agree at that price these bikes should be coming with some of the options. Heated grips especially. Another option.. and its not a big deal.. but for $30k+ it should be included.. the rear engine guards. Mine came with front guards.. so why cheap out and not include the rear too?!!!

[@leohughes6921]

I had a lot of similar gripes with mine when i bought it, 2020 deepwater metallic limited. I got it from the dealership in Sturgis though, AND it was a demo model so i got a little bit of a deal on it. The homelink was dissapointing to realise that was an additional thing you had to puchase to make it work. I ended up getting a cheap set of highway pegs, and rear crash bars off of amazon because i wasnt going to fork over 500 dollars for the OEM ones. Additionally, i picked up the driver backrest and bracket from a third party vendor as well.

[@Ranman1]

They are good enough to feed the fans, when they dont have too. Now my wife is starting to dig the show!

[@Uninfluenced]

Hell yeah we try. Glad she is getting on board

[@MrJo1340]

I recently purchased a 2023 Challenger Dark Horse. I agree with most of what you're saying but if I may let me add a few things I feel you left out. How come on a dark horse model they give you chrome clutch and brake levers?? Could they not put black ones on from the factory? The nav is absolutely $hit!!! Sometimes it's glitchy sometimes it doesn't load at all and apparently, from what I read in all the forums that's normal?. I did all the updates and still does it.. I couldn't agree more that the stock mufflers on it are so quiet. That's the first thing I changed. I put on Basani slip ons. I will say that that bike has plenty of power right out of the factory. I may do a tune when it finally comes out.But I doubt I'll do anything more than that.

[@bmcantrell619]

thanks for the intel ahead of time

[@Uninfluenced]

I got you man

[@jamesspencer406]

Yea your right .I bought the base and ridiculous what I've spent and added.I will say the Loyd tune has been great.Nice looking bikes you guys have!

[@Uninfluenced]

I’m about to look into loyds

[@donaldrigolo5641]

Last “Real Indian “ was made in 1956

[@matthewnorwell5353]

Thanks man someone needed to say it

[@freddychico3621]

but how do they sound? do they have a nice rumble or do they sound like goldwings?

[@jamespolucha6911]

Man is this the new breed bikers, I’m 65 and have been riding racing all my life and I’m just pleased I have a bike to ride and still can, sure there’s a lot of bikes out there that are better or faster and come with extras at no cost , can’t have everything

[@johnshirbini5801]

All points are valid for some and not for others. Indian gives already many extras than Harley for example. My only complains about Indian. The aftermarket accessories is narrow. And Indian parts and accessories are expensive and come to the first point sometimes no other aftermarket options to choose from.

[@dakotaharrington2268]

I have an android. Is that why my phone restarts over and over again when I plug it into the USB?

[@Uninfluenced]

Yes I believe so. There is a update at dealer for this I think I read last week

[@longhorns1971]

Just got my 2021 Base Model Challenger. I put the front guards on it and just got my new Rinehart slip ons, next to go on. But question for you, what and where did you find the wide windshield? Thanks in advance Jimmy

[@612cmgray]

klockwerks makes a wider windshield in dark smoke tint

[@IndianMC-jf3cp]

Great lookin bikes guys.. I Have a 2020 DH Challenger. Totally agree with what your saying but...If you buy HD your gonna get the nickel and dime shit too. The difference is, for the same money on the Indian, you get a FOX shock, true Brembo stoppers, inverted front fork, more power, and a much better suspension. So compared with the competition..I think the Challenger is a better value. Thanks for the video.

[@davidmcafee4972]

What bars are on ivory..?

[@Uninfluenced]

They are KST

[@sbka143scott2]

What bars are on the white bike?

[@Uninfluenced]

KST bars

[@YamahaR12015]

Overall great review, heated grips is a bit nit picky in my mind. I don't understand why everybody thinks you need them

[@dakotaslama7874]

I think your $400 Indian tune should have been free. When you buy the intake from Indian you get a card with a code to go get your bike flashed.

[@Uninfluenced]

Yeah I didn’t get the card. But I see they offer it now.

[@GodxMischief]

I went to lloydz garage for ECU flash.

[@markmarcelis]

my problem is ride command and throwing fault lights...

[@brandonmiller2626]

So I’ve been pricing out bikes new I’m definitely going to the challenger instead of a Harley this time, don’t get me wrong I love Harley, but the challenger with all the options I wanted was 32,xxx I went and looked cvo road glides 39,000 and I’d still have to do the bars and exhaust. Plus the suspension on the Indians is just killer the come with the inverted front end, and the way they balance those bikes, it feels like you’re on a 10 speed.

[@Uninfluenced]

The new road glide is a bad mofo. I won’t lie

[@brandonmiller2626]

No doubt.

[@danielstewart7732]

Bought my challenger last fall, Dark horse bronze smoke. Have not regretted it at all. Good riding!

[@joenarvaez19]

Im tossed between getting a road glide special or the challenger myself, guess ill have to test ride both

[@Roadglide117]

@@joenarvaez19 definitely go ride them both. They are both pretty awesome. But you gotta see which feels the best to you. Enjoy and good luck.

[@thelost_woods]

All touring bikes should come decked out head to toe if you're paying 28k plus. Even the small stuff. Large brake pad, passenger floorboards, crash bars, larger windscreen. Its ridiculous the price these touring bikes are. Basically everything needs to be set up stock like the indian springfield standard, it has everything but the radio

[@harryhowell5644]

I really like the new roadmaster limited.only needs a few things to make it touring ready. But to outfit the challenger the same, your getting into the 36k range. Tourpack, floorboards, crash bars, etc. $$$!!

[@Uninfluenced]

Yeah I have most of that on my white one now. Only thing I haven’t added is rear trunk

[@harryhowell5644]

@@Uninfluenced it is on my list for sure brother. I just like the looks of the roadmaster limited better

[@65Coronet1]

At least you didn’t have to spend 4-5k on engine mods

[@motoGPness]

You dudes sound just like me!, love the bike, but not afraid to point out the flaws. Tons of owners put blinders on after they drop $30k on a bike. I have a '21 limited and the dealer gets pissed all the time when they find out I got parts elsewhere. The intake I ordered (over 6mos ago) comes with a tune card. My dealer said $50 (1/2hr labor) to flash the tune, $400 sounds like you got gouged or had to buy the card. The Challenger does all the bike things I want it to great (power, handling, braking, wind protection). Its the fricken doodads that piss me off the most! like you said RideCommand, We paid for it, shit needs to work and reliably! I do all my own work and I can tell you that pretty much every Indian accessory I've aded says "Made in China" on the box. I understand where we're at with manufacturing and that tons of shit is made in China, but then don't try to charge me some premium prices. Both Yall's bikes are matte, but the clear on the glossy bikes is trash! super soft, scratch it by looking at it. The only saving grace with some of these issues is that the RideCommand system is updatable so hopefully they'll fire all their programers and get us an update that will make the system viable. Supposedly a big update was due in late summer, but it's September so.....we wait. When I turn all that shit off and just ride it's the best bike I've ever owned.

[@brentdixon9127]

Is that Jacket riding gear? Where did it come from?

[@michaelschmitzerle2587]

Love those Indian motorcycles! They just keep getting better and better!!👍

[@adamdragon8549]

Windshield, where did you get it from ??

[@Uninfluenced]

Revzilla

[@tdunn2]

Great editing, Zach! Just a matter of taste - I like Mike's bike a little better but I do like Matt's tips. Beautiful bikes, gentlemen.

[@johnbrown3092]

I bet you like Matt's tip...😂

[@tdunn2]

@@johnbrown3092 Whatever, John! I'ma grown ass man that's not afraid of commitment - give me the whole thing, not just the tip! LOL

[@johnbrown3092]

@@tdunn2 hahahah.. that's fucking awesome

[@Uninfluenced]

Lmfao John

[@BPBailey85]

What is the windshield and highway bars called? Thank you!

[@Uninfluenced]

The white bike I’m guessing it’s KST bars and the windscreen was from revzilla I believe sorry I took the logo off. It looks like a crown if I remember right

[@BPBailey85]

@@Uninfluenced and what about the black bike? I just brought a challenger yesterday and I like what you guys did to your bikes.

[@Uninfluenced]

@@BPBailey85 the black one is stock bars and windscreen

[@Tawni.6269]

Real talk, straight talk from Matt and Mike i appreciate this no bullshyt video. This info Matt just shared saved me $427.00 liked & subscribed. 🗨️☝️😎

[@Uninfluenced]

Glad I could help

[@davidgourley3458]

Looking at those bikes being so similar, I was thinking it would look great with the opposing color stripe down the middle of each.

[@harryhowell5644]

Yes 4k for a tourpack? Aftermarket needs to catch up. Still no hard lowers with vents for the challenger? Those vinyl cheap lowers are the best they can do? That's a deal breaker for me.

[@kevinshack2004]

Great video.

[@lastme3404]

I myself own an Indian and I agree give me the option to have it all on the bike.

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

Are those the 14" KST Comanche bars? I assume they're basically the size of the Indian midsized bars.

[@Uninfluenced]

Yes they are

[@DarkHorseParatrooper]

@@Uninfluenced thanks, can't wait to get my bike!

[@scottwilliams7948]

Sweet bikes gentlemen. And good review.

[@Uninfluenced]

Thank you

[@mattmccarty72]

It’s easier to sell a $30,000 bike to an idiot that doesn’t realize you will be spending another $10,000-$15,000 to bring the bike up to what you wanted in the first place.

[@danielstewart7732]

No motorcycle manufacture has those accessories on the bike right off the stock showroom floor. Not one. Can't bag on Indian for that. (note) I 100% agree with you.. but that's just not how the industry operates. I added most of those things in at the dealer, along with the big stereo before I even brought mine home. You all please keep the rubber side down! Also if your looking for a way better tune look at the Lloyd'z garage tune. It's a monster.

[@Apothas541]

Harley road glide/street glide limited - not cheap, not a fanboy, but it comes from the factory with all the things - it exists lol

[@Uninfluenced]

I’ve been looking into lloyd’z

[@derfskittlers6125]

@@Apothas541 indian makes a limited as well.

[@derfskittlers6125]

BMW, Honda, and Harley have the same stuff.

[@shaheedsolomon8789]

Beautiful bikes but I think personally harley is king when it comes to accessories

[@danripp8917]

Perfect video. The exact shit I want on one. Just got rid of my adventure touring bike. What’s a real price range to do all that work at the dealership?

[@Uninfluenced]

With all that’s done I would say 5k on top of the bike. That’s shooting a bit high to be safe

[@kennyb7883]

where/who did the short antenna come from? I need that.

[@Uninfluenced]

No joke Amazon. Search Indian shorty antenna

[@jackrobinson8945]

Boy, am I glad that I don't care about all this extra crap on my bike, I just like riding it! Putting a windshield on was a major mod for me.

[@bryanstaten5585]

What windshield is that?

[@Uninfluenced]

Klock Werks. Sorry had to look it up. I took all the stickers off mine

[@Roadglide117]

Check out freedom shields out of Colorado too. They make awesome windshields. Great quality

[@barendfourie6687]

Would like to hear what you say about the road glide. Seems like everybody digging every brand but Harley which is actually worse for Nicole and dining.

[@Uninfluenced]

I will try and get one to review.

[@JJnATX]

You guys taken these bike on big trips (1000+ miles)? Curious about your thoughts for the longer rides.

[@Uninfluenced]

They are great on long rides..

[@punjabicat4045]

I got a question how do you guys clean your cars and motorcycles do you guys just do regular water and car soap or do you guys put any extra stuff on them or wax/buff them.

[@Uninfluenced]

We both use a Detailer because they do great work and take extra care of the cars. When I do clean mine I use Adam’s polish. Really good stuff

[@donmitchell566]

if everything is added from the factory the bike cost a LOT more for shit YOU might not want. also you said the beauty of a bike is personalizing it!!! these ideas are in contrast!!!!!

[@Uninfluenced]

Not really in contrast. What we are meaning things like the homelink, seat back ( frame mount extra) heated grips, these all appear but do not work without adapters sold separately. Yes exhaust, add one, boards all a personalized option.

[@skeetercouick6579]

Zach needs a moped to ride with yall!

[@Uninfluenced]

I agree 100%

[@YingYangStang]

Yeah I just went through this BS with my stealer always trying to clip my wallet - it’s comical honestly pretty close to criminal 😂😂😂

[@dplorbl]

Wonder what stealer would charge to flash if you were running cat delete 🤭

[@supakamario]

That's the motorcycle industry...... Limited comes with heated..... I believe, darkhorses don't

[@motoGPness]

nope sure don't.

[@bappelzoller1817]

agreed with everything said !! except the apple thing.. Im run android and BT works ..

[@mikerunyan1]

What state do you live in?

[@Hipporider]

Any dramas with the Ride Command? I've heard that's been a problem 🇦🇺

[@Uninfluenced]

We have had no issues. Both have had batteries replaced now though

[@Hipporider]

@@Uninfluenced do you use a battery tender, trickle charger when it is garaged?

[@Uninfluenced]

We both do now. But didn’t in the beginning And was never told to do so

[@Hipporider]

@@Uninfluenced you will get a much longer life outta the battery, that's for sure, plus you always know your bike will start

[@kenbrownlee4170]

Y'all may have just sold an exhaust system...she sounds great 👍

[@Uninfluenced]

Glad we could help. They also sell race baffles. The white one has them.

[@eddiec9356]

I’ve got the 14 Chieftain, same bitches Mike, not sure why they don’t just add all the comfort shit and charge you for it up front. Still an awesome bike, still loving my 14.

[@Uninfluenced]

It’s really silly they don’t make packages.

[@Kashmirknight]

Heated grips? To get heated grips on a Harley you're looking at close to $40,000.

[@chrisbadger282]

Jesus ya seems like they are pulling A Harley davidson their ya I'm surprised as the old victory cross country came stock with the heated grips and seat geez

[@TxMedic3]

The requirement for Bluetooth headset for Apple CarPlay is actually an Apple requirement not and Indian requirement. That being said, CarPlay crashes on me every single time I use it on my Challenger…rarely crashes in my car…so that makes me think the coding in the Indian version is bad.

[@motoGPness]

100% current programming is trash. Late summer update supposedly in the works, but not looking like they'll hit the timeline.

[@punjabicat4045]

Mike always making me act up 😏

[@Uninfluenced]

That’s his job 😂

[@supakamario]

Exhaust, stage 1.... blame epa

[@Mortiz350]

Love how raw this video is . Thumbs up sir 👍 Plus and extra Shit and Fuck 🤙

[@twtbulls725]

Love these type of videos want to see some dogs too!

[@Uninfluenced]

We will be doing a lot more of both soon.

[@markmarcelis]

now the PLASTIC hinge that mounts to the retractable windshield is stripped. wtf....

[@mattstakeontheancients7594]

Mike any reason you picked the challenger over the something like a chieftain. My dad owns a 14 chieftain not sure what the difference is between the two just know it’s comfortable to ride. Imagine y’all’s are too.

[@richheuser1252]

Bikes look sick !! That's a bad ass helmet, tasteful mods. I bet Zach's sister would ride!!!

[@mitchellsanford7574]

you want all that ,get the PURSUIT and take the trunk off!

[@shisno314]

A lot of these complaints about things not being included on the bike shouldn’t be complaints. Just because you want certain accessories doesn’t mean that everybody wants them. Indians job is to create a base product that appeals to the most amount of people for the least amount of money. You start to include all those accessories as base and people will either balk at the extra stuff they don’t want or balk at the price. Also, I share your complaint about bikes and cars not being optimized from the factory but the fact is they are constricted by the feds on how the engines perform. That’s why all the exhaust on the market is for racing applications only.

[@patmetcalf3635]

30 grand and it has flat black paint...

[@Ranman1]

I like the murdered look, especially matted.

[@Uninfluenced]

Flat or satin is actually harder to do and a premium in bikes and automotive

[@mybudinesd4545]

Sweet bikes

[@Uninfluenced]

Thank you

[@dfc0868]

Just like the Ferrari in your Garage, Harley's are more nickled and Dimed together than any other bike on the market.

[@Ranman1]

LFG!

[@Uninfluenced]

👍🏽👊🏼

[@Maniehesh]

Make more motorcycle content! It’s why I sub.

[@Uninfluenced]

We are working on it

[@maurorosado6084]

Fuckin’ right!

[@pastorjohnculbertson661]

I don't like crapple car play ! Put Android auto in factory.

[@irishbeerchamp]

verbatim my thoughts

[@richdevlin719]

Fuckin A dude! FUCK!

[@dianaaliluttrell3568]

❤🎉 7:39

[@BeaverPelt66]

i’ve had nothing but problems . Clutch busted 700 miles ( was setup wrong from Indian according to dealer) , RPM fluctuations, shutting off at stops - needed some custom reflash . TPMS has to go dealer and pay $300 fuckin bucks to reset ? Hate the clunky shifting. Everything you mentioned plus no quick side bag release like my older 2015 roadmaster. Oh yeah - random hazard warning ⚠️. I’m so pissed i’m looking to get rid of it and not deal with Indian again . BTW. It’s not that powerful - Yamaha fuckin smokes it and that’s why you won’t see those bikes on ‘queen’ of baggers

[@Uninfluenced]

Damn that sucks to hear. Thanks for the reply. We are gonna do a 6 month review soon. This video was shot 4 or 5 months ago

[@rromerobey1790]

🔥🔥🔥👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽💪🏽

[@allwrong3114]

Indian is made by a snowmobile company.

[@Uninfluenced]

Ok. Most motorcycle companies make other things. They also make side by sides and 4 wheelers. Means more ways to test reliability of engine quality

[@allwrong3114]

@@Uninfluenced I agree. Harley make bicycles for God sake.

[@br529]

Get a car if you want all that. It's a motorcycle

[@RILLAMAN84]

Dang! Those are some sexy bikes 😍.

[@Uninfluenced]

Thank you

[@toddmorris2353]

And everything you say is the same for Harley Davidson all bikes are the same but not everyone likes the same thing so they let you build it the way you like it

[@gregennico2412]

Harley is even worst