Chamkila, Naseebo & Lata; kya ganda, kya saaf!

[@shaziashahid-fp3qe]

One thing for sure, Chamila was not murdered for singing vulgar songs, it was because he had become tooooo popular, threat to other singers. They felt insecure 😮. 😮😮. Tamkanat's review is otherwise quite valid

[@saminahmad2803]

As sushant singh kild buy some bollywood dons

[@shaguftazubair2668]

You are absolutely right.Wo kehty hen na k dho b dia aur sukha b dia asliyat dikha kr sb ki. 😂 Aur jahan tk rahi bat,western dance moves ar Nergis dance moves ki,to ye difference hum chah kr b khatam nhi kr skty.. han koshish ki ja skti hy..q k heer ranjha sb ny dekhi,sb ny pasand ki..per apny gher ki lerki heer bannay lagay to ghairat jag jati hy..sirf isliay k heer kisi ki beeti the aur uska tamasha enjoy kia ja skta tha??? Sad but harsh reality of our society

[@sabeeen_01]

😢😢😢

[@oldtimes4474]

3:47 Dance chahay Shakira ya Beyonce karay ya Nargis karay, behuda hoga to behuda lagay ga... Simple as that!

[@Rajeshwari-h2y]

And yes there is vulgarity n people have the right to call something vulgar. If lyrics of a song are sexist, promotes cheating n extra marital affairs, murder, child abuse, violence, terror amd so on it is vulgar. It should be labelled as vulgar. A rap song can be vulgar, a folk song can be vulgar, a pop song can be vulgar, a hindi song, english song, arabic song or bengali song can be vulgar. Beyonce can be vulgar and mahira khan can be vulgar. Class or status does'nt decide vulgarity. What decides vulgarity is the content of the song, film or dance. Making obscene sexual gestures and making others and children around you uncomfortable is vulgar. Ab chahe woh gestures koi american kare ya koi indian , african, pakistani ya japanese.

[@Farahahmed-k8s]

Well said Vulgar would be vulgar if we talk about it or not, if it would be done by Muslims or non Muslims, but our industry has responsibility to show some decent dramas movies songs etc

[@MaryamFarhan-hn9dc]

this wasn't her topic............ wo double standards ki baat kr rahi hai bro (but yeah, u r right)

[@bythewaydigitalofficial]

Jiya Jale from Dil Se.. is a narration of the nuptial night aka SUHAAG RAAT with lyrics by Gulzar Sb, composed by AR Rehman and vocals of Lata Mangeshkar Jee. If we also consider the way it was filmed it can easily be considered as something very obscene yet most of us love it. Madam Noor Jahan gave us Mujhse pehli si mohabat and she also gave us Mein Amb Choopan Lyi Gyi. A singer sings what the audience likes. If we love Kosa kosa dudhh that's our choice and not Naseebo's. If she wont sing it, someone else will. Killing a singer only shows that a society is too toxic and hates acknowledging the fact that they have a sick mindset which they love having yet cannot accept it and end up blaming the singer for it. As for Punjabi vs Urdu, both are languages with good and bad words, the bottomline remains on the way these languages are used. Damagh saaf, sab saaf.

[@aishabhutta408]

I disagree not completely but partially. His songs were not only considered vulgar because of the language (Punjabi) or his social status. Part of it was because he sang about sensuality between relationships that went against societal norms. It’s easy to digest the same lyrics about two lovers than it is about, for example, bhabi-devar etc. I have no idea if that got him killed, but it’s not only about the “lens” you keep mentioning. It was more than that.

[@Rajeshwari-h2y]

Vulgar vulgar hota hai chahe wo urdu ho ya punjabi, chahe woh punjabi actor ho ya shakira/beyonce ya rihanna.

[@qudsianasiruddin6004]

Bilkul sahi kaha hei aap ne. Pehle tou filmi ganay bhee gharoon mei zyada nahi sunney dete the.ab sab maaf hei

[@aonshah9966]

Exactly 💯

[@Hs1684-q4i]

I'm from Punjab, India. Your explanation is so intelligently put that hopefully people can understand this. My favorite singers are Amarjot, Noor Jehan, Naseebo, Reshma, Asha Bhosle , Sunidhi Chauhan... because that's MY PREFERENCE I hate these "soft docile teekhi awaaz". Music is such a personal thing and yet we judge people on it. Also just in addition Chamkila was daring but imagine the fearlessness of Amarjot for singing these lyrics I admire her way more than Chamkila.

[@get_Vipin]

Beautifully explained... Love Punjabi language ... Jindagi beet gaye sekhne me.

[@irfanfaiza7079]

Thank you Tamkenat for exposing our collective elitism with sharpness, clarity and above all simplicity / totally resonate with every word you said - well done girl! 👏👏👏

[@hajraasif8057]

Amazing 👏. You are always my favorite 😍. Perfect explanation 👌.

[@Seeker-seeking-truth]

Hum chonkri nae martay thay... Because that is uncivilized. 😂😂😂 This is also on point. 😊

[@shalinasaroya4571]

That’s so true when I was a kid Punjabi was forbidden because it was considered illiterate only urdu

[@aliraza25524]

Woah!!!! Finally someone said this and gurrlll, you nailed it right it the head ✨✨ I personally love Naseebo’s work and have always been judged, feels good to have someone finally say what its worth 🌷

[@farzanaawan5689]

Very much true saying I love Punjabi language

[@khalidali8489]

Have recently found you, Proud of you speak punjabi and even more so for talking about cloud of darkness over it by the powers in Pak to take away punjabi nations pride and with it our dignity. Thank you

[@sylviageorge1671]

Agreed...100%....a big fan of naseebo lal jee❤❤❤❤

[@bismashafqat176]

🤣🤣 u just nailed it😄 what an explanation 👏

[@Haiderraza74]

This left me wanting more. Not that it was half-cooked or poorly researched but due to its complexity. keep digging deep Tamkanat, you are doing great.

[@deevaan]

Punjab's aversion to their mother-tongue from the 50s through to 90s was part of the "state" tacit design to promote Urdu at the expense of regional languages. Upward social mobility and financial well-being, unfortunately, became associated with people shunning their language and heritage. In our Sindhi household, the reverse is true. We frown upon people not speaking their mother-tongue at home. Punjabi youth, the sons & daughters of this great province have reclaimed the language with pride and I am so proud to see this phenomenon unfold. Love your content and wish you the best.

[@nasirBAS]

Yaar yeh tum log itna sach bolnay.lagay hu our culture isn't used to it. لوگوں کے منہ کڑوے ہو رہے ہیں۔۔۔listening to so much truth in one go....😊😊😊...keep it up .

[@Shifa007]

As much as i love urdu, punjabi is my favourite language for songs.

[@binteboston5685]

I agree with you and would like to add another point to this important discussion about "vulgar" language. A simple rule to decide what is vulgar, in any language, is to see whether the words are specifically meant to hurt another person's feelings and put them down or are said to make someone laugh and feel good. Being rude or swearing is hurtful in all languages. Also, one's facial expression and tone of voice can give the same words a very different meaning. For example, I love you can sound genuine or can be said to mock another person.

[@MaryamFarhan-hn9dc]

thanks 4 the much needed video.

[@ambikavarma7253]

Well said!👍

[@BforBakee]

Agreed 💯.....💯 Keep on voicing all of these issues...these are the real wounds our society needs to heal ...

[@tauseefraza3837]

Absolutely right. Punjabi is mother language of Punjab&we are proud to speak punjabi

[@shraddharajput1120]

❤❤ U said what I always try to say but can't put into the words neatly. Now ill just share this video whenever needed. What yoh said about elitism is soo soo true. ❤ A big thanks from India .

[@TamkenatMansoor]

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@Jay_Zi]

i wish our people get this kind of mindset all over Pakistan....you Rock!

[@adeenaislam4958]

Very Well explained! ❤

[@meemonaahmed737]

You are right it all depends on how a person sees something. It all makes sense. We degraded our punjabi. 😒 I have a medical related question dr. Can i ask you?

[@simplecomplexity1]

Best explanation ever. Thanks aloot habibti❤

[@fortniteofficial3254]

Kya Urdu kya Punjabi Jo wahyiat hai wo hai .phir wo Urdu me ho ya Punjabi me.

[@sdocsydney5821]

So correct.

[@et8759]

Yes my view. Lets translate Naseebo lal's vulgar songs in Urdu they will remain vulgar !

[@moviesmanifesto5814]

Such a thought provoking video, am gonna subscribe you for more content like this😀😇😇

[@aasmanaz7898]

Very very true ❤️❤️

[@sunshinemoon634]

Agreed very well explained Tamkinat ji we need more ppl like you to put things into right perspective This can be also applied to languages used for our creator & to our prophets who came on different lands only bcoz there prophets name isn’t Mohammad they are not considered prophet & they call it Guru so it’s not Allah or Bhagvaan so it’s not a prophet and ppl got fond of them & forgot the msg of Oneness in our hearts. 🥰 Some call Allah, some call it Ram, some raheem, some Bhagvaan and some Hari Some call it cosmos , universe Ppl start bitting the finger rather what’s it’s pointed towards hopefully ppl will start opening up & allow themselves to get it. I hope you get the gist. But yes I did got you where you are pointing towards the looking from which lense & conditioning one is brought up with. Love & light 🌠♥️🌠

[@legion-oz1qh]

Amazing, you have elaborated well enough.

[@misbahhassan3092]

Sometimes when we are mindlessly listening to a song, without knowing the lyrics or sometimes when we can't follow the lyrics of a song and it feels to be good and then we happen to read its lyrics and we are like WHAT was I listening to. Point being just because something has a soothing effect or said in a melodious way, doesn't mean it is necessarily good. We need to be mindful of what we are listening to and if we get to know it has bad lyrics we shouldn't listen to it anymore. Because whatever we see or hear has an effect on us. .

[@zogansada7240]

Musarrat Nazir was also a punjabi singer but her songs were classics. Where does Naseebo lal stand judge for yourself.

[@sahrishsalman1316]

NASEEBO LAAL S VOICE IS AMAZING 🤩💜 YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT 👍🥰 I AGREE 💯 WITH YOU 🏵️YOU EXPLAIN VERY HONEST 💞 KEEP IT UP👏👏❤️🤍💙(09:05:2024)

[@SaimaKiran-r4e]

Oh yar too good i can't stop my laughing

[@nigarkhurram2174]

Yup, you are right ✅️

[@trizvi89]

Absolutely agree! ❤

[@quratul-ainabid1286]

Well said

[@ulfatabas3363]

Wah wah dr sahiba.excellently you expressed this so complicated thing.maza aa gya qasam se

[@muhammadimrananwar7781]

Excellent defence of Punjabi culture & language with classic examples 👍💯👍(only it's your ability)...... Stay Blessed Miss Khotny

[@kamranyousaf8459]

Excellent observations with logical explanation. Keep up the good work

[@piyushthapar]

Dr saab tuhada perspective baa kamal ae. Kadi is POV nal nahi si socheya

[@AmberAtique]

By watching your vlog ,there remains no doubt that how much our society our culture our language has changed.Yes,you are right how the poetry with same romantic theme is perceived differently when written by a true poet or by someone who writes lines to go with the music.It’s just like how you spoke on the topic you chose to speak,in a bold way,hotch potch of Urdu English and Punjabi,showing provocative dancing clips to how a linguistic or a socialist would have taken up the topic! I fully agree with you.

[@alichoudhary4974]

Excellent ....,keep it up best way to explain

[@mitti80]

Go Girl! Love from India! ❤

[@SamiaFAmim]

You made really valid points. I always felt a brown woman in small blouse and sari looks more vulgar than a white woman in much shorter and revealing outfit. I think it’s all in our head.

[@iffatsaeed872]

I love Punjabi

[@salmaanmahammad2887]

I'm sorry I don't really agree with you. Vulgarity is vulgarity,it doesn't matter what language it's portrait in.

[@umalbaneen6400]

mennu ty punjabi zabaan ty culture bara he pasand ay ty mein bilkul own v krdi an apny culture ty language nu. Duniya paanve jo mrzi aakhay, mein hikk proud punjabi an, aaho!

[@saadiakhalid6938]

Totally agree with you. Another very important reason for this elitism of Urdu is that after Independence, urdu speaking people dominated the power corridors. They marganilized the local and regional people and their culture, so much so that Bengalis decided to go their own way because of racicism and ethnicism.

[@mohammadfaisal5173]

💯 agree with you.

[@ejaz-and-maryammoghul8783]

Brilliant explanation, eye opening for us all , most of us will never think about it . We'll done sister tamkinat, maryam

[@alijatt2361]

Have you heard Chamkilas/his wife’s song shiker dupehre?

[@rizwananaureen4475]

absolutely nobody can beat Naseebo Laal..it is just so true

[@zarinaasad7672]

Very well said dear

[@TamkenatMansoor]

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@fayezakamal3778]

Well reviewed. Thank you❤

[@amber6463]

Naseebo laal ki awaz wow man... i listened some of her duet songs.. and I was like kia awaz hai bandi ki She didn't get what she deserved

[@neelamimran2197]

A very philosophical point of view which not any common man can understand because here all of us are totally sudden judgemental jahan tak ajara Dari ki baat ki hai bilkul sahi hai

[@rabiat6731]

I find all of these songs vulgar. Even if they are in English, punjabi and urdu. However, I do agree with you. Punjabi and urdu stereotyping is real!!

[@iqrasattar1069]

Dude you are brilliant ❤ love you jeeti raho.

[@TamkenatMansoor]

Thank you so much 🌸

[@Dawoodkhan-ld7bf]

Totally agree “tum gandy nahi ho, tum ghareeb ho.”

[@wardahkhan9416]

Bang on true!!! But I was waiting for the translation of “my hips don’t lie” in Punjabi!!!!!

[@urduadabaurhum]

Panjabi literature Naam Hai Sufiana kalam Aur soch ka Aur wo buhaat khubsurat Aur meaningful Hai. Meanings soch zarori hai.

[@kamalgill6379]

Just love the way you promote your mother tongue. Keep up the good work 👍

[@muhammadazam7456]

YOU R SO TALENTED AND WISE LADY. YOU CAN NOT CHANGE HUMANS THOUGHT.

[@EddyBaig]

Very deeply explained. Me too I'm in love with Chamkila songs 🎵

[@ZafarIqbal-ie1fd]

Ms Tamkanat i hv never come across such a multi talented lady,who talks intelligently, and carries herself gracefully, has deep observation and the talent to present it in a nice way, no over acting,it seems the God has created you in this way, I hv seen the world meet alot people of both genders but have not come across a lady of your calibre, except my deceased wife. She was such a graceful lady that whoever had a chance to meet her woh us ka divana hu gea. On his death i received a lot of condolence messages from those high ups whom we never knew. This talent is a God gifted thing and God was kind enough ho adored you with this talent. Allah aap ku nazre bad se bachae(Ameen)

[@MeemBaay111]

You are so right! So many people in my family who were born in Lahore don't like to speak Punjabi or don't even know how to! I love Punjabi and really learned it from my Father's family who were born in Kenya so was not effected by Urdu mania! Don't misunderstand me, I love urdu par Gughataan Punjabi ach ee saj deayaan nay!

[@abeerhussain35]

You are saying true

[@ayeshaali9708]

Absolutely true... Probably the most vulgar language was used in Novels/ Short stories by very famous Writers..

[@aneelrose]

Greetings from Quetta Pakistan. Thank you for opening up this debate. Love to see the youth speaking up on these topics in Pakistan. More power to you Tamkenat. But please pardon me as i woud disagree with you on your overall comments.I believe Gulzar sb's song's lyrics which you translated in Punjabi and sang in such a way can be written in Punjabi by a master Punjabi poet with same subtlety as in Urdu while also keeping the sensuosness alive. Moreover, Gulzar sb is born in a Sikh family (orignal name Sampooran Singh Kalra) having Punjabi as his mother tongue, moreover, though he is known as Urdu poet but he is also a leading figure in India in translations of literary works from regional languages of India into other lingua franca and vice versa. So i believe if he writes something in Punjabi he would do it with the same asthetic brilliance. Therefore, in my opinion in this case its the combination of language with musical notes and music sensibility that separates vulgarity from art and aesthetics not the lens; absence of one of these can make a whole lot of difference. Furthermore, comparing love song lyrics with the lyrics of Chamkeela songs which points to incest cannot be justified. And no one in the world can say that "Hips dont lie.." song is not obscene. Regards

[@bilalafzal9525]

Very right

[@eeshamoghul]

Saddest and bitter reality, when it comes to anything international vulgarity becomes modern. And so many so called modern and Liberal are the richest ignorant people. So it became more of trend to be like that just to relate themselves to that group. Absolutely loved your review.

[@maimoonahasham7946]

You are right about the perception part. But wrong about naseebo Lal beating legends. Who can beat these legends is Abida Parween. Yes she can have these guys for breakfast!

[@malikmahmood6025]

بہت شکریہ ۔ آپ اچھے طریقے سے آپ نے وضاحت کی ہے۔

[@AbbasKhokhar1]

Doctor ❤ You told different between the thinking of 2 types of people ❤❤❤ 2 types of thinking and 2 types of 🎉

[@ranousman-st5ib]

Bahot khoob kahaa

[@omairaameer4591]

V v well said

[@durdanadancejoy]

Very intelligently put Tamkenat, and I agree with what u said.

[@shubamsalaria971]

Very well explain or rather boht Vadiya chanan paeya ji tusi ess mude te

[@samreenkaur027]

Well explained! 👏

[@ravigadani]

a brilliant perspective

[@anitaimran4753]

Outstanding

[@ZEESHANALI-ry5iq]

Best example❤❤❤

[@shairafzal9347]

You are really wahda hu la shareek of the world of talent . A lot of salutes and naman for you. 🙏🥰🙏

[@mohammadsaleem2930]

good work

[@aroojtahir649]

No doubt...Naseebo Rocks 🎉

[@zayna6172]

Very well said 👏🏻 👍🏻 👌🏻

[@Seeker-seeking-truth]

She is right. ❤ Got a point ❤

[@rizwanayasmeenalee7433]

Very well said dear 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@aroosamehboob349]

beautifully explained

[@doggo8342]

Very nice.I believe that one by one we need to speak about these things which made our culture suffocating rather than seeing the beauty of all the layers …atleast you are doing your part ….bravo!

[@TamkenatMansoor]

🙏🏽💝🙏🏽💝

[@samanyazdanikhan9087]

Totally agree with you

[@tahiriqbalpk]

Very well explained this hegemony of Urdu speaking in Pakistan... And also I always like your way of explaining very complex and taboo things of our society in a layman's language.... 👍🏻

[@TamkenatMansoor]

🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@zeeshan39774]

Valgurity is clear don’t confuse it