Hats off for several reasons. 1) a topic not covered elsewhere; 2) thorough detail unlike many videos which skip or assume things are known to viewers; 3) excellent camerawork. While I strongly prefer a quiet bike, my is not so loud that i need to change anything. Hint to have zero clutch noise: never stop pedalling or get a fixie 😅😅
@crossroads47628 ай бұрын
I think it's an annoying sound but it is a subtle way of alerting pedestrians on bike paths.
@wazzup1058 ай бұрын
When riding solo .. maybe (although I manage to do fine without for the last 50+ years).. but when riding in a pack of 20+ all having that loud obnoxious sounds for hours on end.... please no.
@zoladkow8 ай бұрын
more annoying and less subtle are contaminated disk brakes - annoying but so much satisfying for that purpose 😁🙃
@joshuabuilds30518 ай бұрын
Learn to whistle? Buy a bell?
@rangersmith46528 ай бұрын
Until those pedestrians put in their earbuds.
@benoitbvg28888 ай бұрын
Letting them think they have a swarm of angry bees coming behind them does work quite well, indeed.
@t00fless663 күн бұрын
Thx!! Was about to replace my Hope Pro4 rear hub because the noise was like nails on a chalkboard. 1000% improvement!
@fabianmolyneux23088 ай бұрын
Very timely vid as I'm just looking to upgrade my wheel hubs. Another fantastic job on your part with a very clear and well explained approach
@hughjanus73548 ай бұрын
Good tip on using any grease you want from a range of thickness, rather than sticking with what manufacturers advise based on their long term testing.
@saidimon8 ай бұрын
Damn!! This video was a hell o a class, Mr. Oz 👏👏👏💪🤓! I prefer a quieter hub and my friends hat-me because of this 😹🙈
@darrenst4418 ай бұрын
Brilliant timimg on your video - i have 2 sets of wheels i am planning on servicing in the next few days and i was wondering how to quieten the set with the DT Swiss hub - then this video comes along ! Thankyou so much 👏👏😆
@kccheng6047 ай бұрын
Such a great and informative video especially for the average weekend warrior. Thank you very much!
@meibing49128 ай бұрын
Amazing as always! Hate the loud noise myself - but I have it on all my new carbon wheels as it apparently "the thing" when you buy a quality wheel set. 🤣
@ralfmimoun28268 ай бұрын
In some clutch freehubs you can easily add pawls. Sometimes that's the only difference between the cheap and the pricey hub models of that manufacturer. Older Bontrager come to mind.
@stuartmurray78762 ай бұрын
Brilliant video. My Mavic Aksium hub that I've had since new sounds like a chainsaw, so it's good to hear that it's not too dissimilar to some of the hubs here.
@stephanematisАй бұрын
Learned so much! Thank you!
@awdtw8 ай бұрын
My road bikes all run very thick grease, keeps it quiet, and my MTB's I run thin for maximum noise to alert others on the track. I realised people don't listen too well in urban environments so the loud ratchet noise didn't help vs a bell.
@sorooshusa8 ай бұрын
I dont understand why people like that annoying loud sound of the free hub. I wish it was silent. Even when i ride alone, I dont wanna hear a buzzing noise in the background.
@Adlemtbadv7 ай бұрын
I agree. That's super annoying. But some people get a buzz out of producing annoying sounds. Like people who ride Harley's etc.. No shame. Then again, if you ride road, you'd probably want to bring attention to yourself due to the risks presented by third parties. But while I'm out cycling in the peaceful bush, I'd rather listen to bird song and the wind in my helmet.
@Gledii3 ай бұрын
@@Adlemtbadv yeah, for me its like "bell", just stop pedalling to bring awareness that you are coming. some people got more annoyed if you ring a real bell. i think its sounds cool too. however the lifetime of the hub will be compromised with no grease..how bad? i dont know
@motogp9253Ай бұрын
If you want a silent hub, pedal more.
@ovediumАй бұрын
@@motogp9253 savage
@ace12699Ай бұрын
They called it. Show off or need attention
@ariezcapistrano72127 ай бұрын
Love the onyx. Silent! ❤️ I usually repack grease on my Shimano hub and it silences even more ❤️
@Tucsky7 ай бұрын
by far the best video about hub sound I have ever seen !
@mariog47077 ай бұрын
Excellent video - very informative and straight forward.
@kris24354 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing 😊 Found your channel this weekend. Subbed. Now watched 5-ish vids. You Sir may very well run the best🚴channel out there. Well done.
@Veloasia8 ай бұрын
New favorite channel.
@markrushton15168 ай бұрын
Mapdec featured Corima wheels recently. Completely silent. Beautiful set of wheels as well.
@lockie30758 ай бұрын
I find it cheaper and easier to use a playing card and clothes peg...
@wazzup1058 ай бұрын
OMG that's what I use to have 50 years ago :-) Good things never die !!
@sultanabran14 ай бұрын
great video! definitely putting soe 000 grease in my dt swiss hubs. coming from hope pro 4, dt swiss are essentially silent
@dontpanic79407 ай бұрын
thank you! That video helps me a lot.
@jojoanggono32297 ай бұрын
I like quiet ticking freehub like those of Shimano Sora. Recently I had my Novatec hub serviced after 5000 km. Replaced all bearing with mix of NTN and Ezo semi contact type, and re-grease the freehub with Finish Line lithium grease. Now it is quieter and roll very smoothly. This is after I noticed there is play in rear wheel and freehub was louder than when first installed. I think NL 1 grease is perfect for freehub, not too heavy and not overly light, like those made by SKF.
@mr.bianchirider81268 ай бұрын
I’ve been using Phil’s Tenacious. It keeps it fairly quiet. From your video I need to up the thickness.
@john_john_john8 ай бұрын
I've recently bought a bike with a DT Swiss pawl hub, whereas I've had a Mavic ratchet hub before. The points of engagement difference is very noticeable for mountain biking, however the DT Swiss is literally almost silent and, to be honest, I'm willing to sacrifice the points of engagement for the ability to go down a trail and only hear the wind and the tyres.
@allenjanes59767 ай бұрын
You might like onyx vespers. It's what I use. They are quiet as a church mouse with instant engagement. Only drawback is the price
@anthonystriglia35337 ай бұрын
With thick enough grease you can make any hub very quiet
@sloprun4 күн бұрын
Thank you. I thought there was no cure for screaming rear hubs.
@marct99427 ай бұрын
There was a time when the better the freewheel, the quieter.
@iamcyberpunk688 ай бұрын
I PREFER ZERO NOISE. IT IS OK FOR 15 MINTES OR SO THEN IT BECOMES A PISS OFF.
@jono1457-qd9ft8 ай бұрын
Noise = wasted energy. And it's f'in annoying.
@robertmcfadyen91568 ай бұрын
@@jono1457-qd9ft It is a balancing act . NL GI one grade grease is worth trying .
@NewEnglandDirtRoadie8 ай бұрын
definitely going to do this with an Easton Echo hub. cows stop giving milk when i ride by
@NewEnglandDirtRoadie7 ай бұрын
that worked BRILLILANTLY!!! thanks Oz
@wtfiswiththosehandles7 ай бұрын
I have a pawl and spring hub with 72 points of engagement. And I really regret buying those wheels, it sounds so loud and obnoxious. I will definitely try taking the hub apart to quiet it down using your method, thanks for this video!
@victorrodriguez28068 ай бұрын
A very good informational video. The sound that a person desires should have absolutely no bearing ( no punn intended ) on the final result of proper maintenance.
@Jon-Jon532 ай бұрын
Wheel bearing grease or motor assembly grease is best for use in freehubs. It's designed to stay in place and will take much longer to thin out needing more.
8 ай бұрын
Great video, just one thing... Better to use a small brush instead of cotton swab, cause swab leave cotton hairs behind, as seen on 9:00
@festerofest43748 ай бұрын
For certain. With cotton swabs it's nearly impossible to not transfer some of the fibers (hairs) into the grease and mechanism -- not good.
@channul48877 ай бұрын
@@festerofest4374only a complete amateur would use a cotton swab aka q tip to apply grease.
@Raisen199223 сағат бұрын
Excellent content!
@As2ronaut8 ай бұрын
Viscous grease is not recommended at low temperatures; the hub may spin without engaging.
@AK-oz4ew2 ай бұрын
Some industrial greases are rated for very low temps and work better than repackaged overpriced "bike" greases that are nothing more than regular thin grease, often low quality
@53glowe8 ай бұрын
Great technical video. But here's the elephant in the room...cyclists who want louder rear hubs are no different to motorcycle riders with loud exhausts, particularly Harley riders. It's a hear me, look at me ego driven attitude. They think it's great, but everyone else thinks they're a tosser. So if you want to be a tosser, or heaven forbid a wanker, go loud. If you think it's for safety reasons, you're hiding behind the real reason you want noise 🤔
@richardmiddleton77707 ай бұрын
If your freehub body has 4 or 6 pawls, you can shorten 2 or 3 opposing pawls on a grinder by half of the distance between the ratchet teeth. This adjusts the 'phase' that opposing pawls engage. Ali Clarkson has a video on doing this.
@khamposs8 ай бұрын
Un gran trabajo, muchas gracias, saludos desde Chile
@toriushauser71437 ай бұрын
Outstanding content. Thanks a lot
@derekhobbs11028 ай бұрын
I've started using those foil BBQ trays for when I'm servicing hubs or anything with small parts that can fall.
@rivergladesgardenrailroad88348 ай бұрын
good idea
@jeffs55198 ай бұрын
What a great vid, thanks mate!
@dperreno7 ай бұрын
Just an observation, the thick grease will get dispersed from the star ratchet face over time, so you will need to reapply periodically to keep the noise down. Also, too much grease can also prevent the ratchet from engaging, so don't dump the whole container of grease in there.
@dereknovaes42178 күн бұрын
A few years ago I used synthetic spray oil for my BMX hubs! What a beauty that was
@richardportelance78107 ай бұрын
Oz - thanks again for a great video. Wondering if you have a recommendation for an affordable set of 700c wheels for rim brakes with decent aero profile. Thx!
@richardjones17777 ай бұрын
Thanks the the video!
@JohnDoe-oe3dg7 ай бұрын
I'd add that -if your hub has like 6 or 4 pawls, removing even half of them while keeping balanced spread of pawls on the hub - won't do anything bad, and decreases the sound significantly. -using thick grease should work, but only temporary, until grease layer won't be spreaded by engaging pawls. If it's too thick and stays to prevent spreading, I think there could be risk of not full pawl engagement. Also, sometimes finding the exact thickness value of the grease is major PITA
@ThisGuyRides7 ай бұрын
depends on the hubs, but removing half the pawls in Bontrager hubs would reduce engagement points from 108 to 54.
@ukaszwrobel81535 күн бұрын
Greta video. Thanks.
@m2xtv4 ай бұрын
Nice Video! What you say is a good grease for max. Sound like 00 or 000? Which one exactly can you recommend?
@phillycheesetake8 ай бұрын
I'd quite like my hub to be silent. When I can justify one of those sprag clutch hubs I will, but grease is cheaper last time I checked ebay.
@saifulazlin41858 ай бұрын
very well explained; thumbs up
@skottIMtri7 ай бұрын
Great info again Steve, a question though. My star ring from Elite only contains one spring but the star ring you showed had two.
@stevenleffanue7 ай бұрын
Just use whatever was in the clutch. If there was only one spring then put back one spring in the same place. Different hubs have different arrangements.
@wrussum17 ай бұрын
Great for Mtn. Biking: In 1985 one of my riding buddies pointed out that one can get close to wildlife much easier with a heavily greased hub.
@donwinston8 ай бұрын
Great video! 👏
@KP-tf6lf8 ай бұрын
I changed mine thanks to playing card and a clothes pin- when i was 7🙄
@christopheroliver1488 ай бұрын
I wonder how much the loudness of the spring sound boils down to the amount of force in the engagement springs. If the opposing teeth were slightly undercut, I think you wouldn't even need that much engagement to guarantee total engagement on pedaling. In that case, the only click would be from the tips of the opposing teeth passing over each other rather than the teeth hitting their full engagement points.
@robertmcfadyen91568 ай бұрын
You are referring to the loudness of the engagement "PAWLS" .
@robertmcfadyen91568 ай бұрын
Pawl tip shape changes harmonics and resonant frequency slightly . I have experimented with this in a machining shop producing pawls on CNC .
@davidpottage64028 ай бұрын
Are the two star rings interchangeable or do I need to keep track of which is which when I disassemble my hub? Are the two springs different?
@ironray1237 ай бұрын
I find this video "a-pawl-ing".
@robertmcfadyen91568 ай бұрын
With a motorcycle mechanic friend , I ground a second set of cavities into a Novatec D042SB freehub at positions one third away , or 30 degrees away from the existing ones on CNC and we doubled the increments from 26 ( unmodified ) to 52 points per revolution as a result . We then added a second set of matched pawls .The conversion was successful and another friend is riding with those hubs in - situ with success . A NL- GI no 1 grade grease was applied before re - assembly at the beginning of this year .The hubs are still going strong today .
@anthonystriglia35337 ай бұрын
I’ve been wondering if this is possible
@jozefsk74568 ай бұрын
11:42 - nah you will find those small parts again, but it will be a year later or when moving shop. Those buggers will haunt you on purpose. thx for a very informative video
@SwitchyCrystals3 ай бұрын
Louder hub = safer for pedestrians. I commute along the canal and when its windy sometimes my bell doesn't cut through the wind. Winding the pedals in reverse let's them know there's a bike coming
@timothysinclair87246 ай бұрын
Loud hubs are as annoying as my neighbours barking dog
@davidhakes51417 ай бұрын
They sound like a fishing reel, with a big bass on the hook, and it's stripping the drag.
@andrewm61928 ай бұрын
DT Swiss always advise to use their red grease but greese is grease at the end of the day. Been using regular grease on my DT Swiss Pawl type hub for a while nice and quiet 😀
@henrybikeman8 ай бұрын
…grease is grease……Hahaha. Funny guy.
@thomulcahy8 ай бұрын
Good to know that thicker grease will dull the annoying sound.
@AK-oz4ew2 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, the sound reduction is nothing but a temporary thing. You can have better success with thin industrial greases, just make sure they are cold weather rated
@DannysMyNanny2 ай бұрын
I love me some noisy hubs. Have the Zipp ZR1 hubs on a set of 404s
@Alex-bl6oi7 ай бұрын
Great video! I've read other places that grease is only a temporary quieting/fix. Is that true? If so, how long does it stay quiet?
@stevenleffanue7 ай бұрын
Should stay quntill you next need to clean and regrease the clutch....usually after winter.
@krissk773 ай бұрын
The noise is nice.. alerts others road or trail users u r coming.... fast... slow riders to give way.😂
@thejuampi8 ай бұрын
Master class thanks
@venombicycle91058 ай бұрын
This has been the unsolved mystery after I saw a guy using DT Swiss 240EXP hub(which is same as mine) but his hub was completely silent. Thanks, guru!
@tz18 ай бұрын
I have dt swiss 240's with 54t ratchet. put some ceramicspeed long life grease in and it barely makes any noise now. too quiet. hoping it will get a bit noisier soon.
@Adonis-qj1nq3 ай бұрын
@@tz1 How long did it last and did you ever have issues with engagement/slipping? I’d really like to quiet my hubs but don’t know how it works over time.
@tz13 ай бұрын
@Adonis-qj1nq starting to get noisy again, but i dont mind. Lasts for quite a while. I only noticed a bit of slipping when I put too much ceramic speed all round grease.
@Adonis-qj1nq3 ай бұрын
@@tz1 thx
@robertmcfadyen91568 ай бұрын
Is Slickoleum okay for hub pawls ?
@christianpaulroldan40104 ай бұрын
I like it
@Leo-gt1bx8 ай бұрын
Are those Contact Speed tyers?
@akissparaskevopoulos8 ай бұрын
Thank You
@jameschege53602 ай бұрын
Hi kindly help, I need the loudest hub which is the best and where can I buy.
@insanegixxerdude48610 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. Can you provide the link for the super team carbon wheels star racket upgrade kit?
@stevenleffanue9 күн бұрын
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@pompeymonkey32717 ай бұрын
I remember stripping down my screw-on freewheels "blocks" in the eighties. This was usually because I'd need to replace a broken pawl and, as a self-funded teenage racing cyclist, the cost of a new block justified the time it took to do the repair! Just don't ask me about tying cotton loops around the pawls to keep them in place for re-assembly... lol :)
@stevenleffanue7 ай бұрын
Yep and loosing those tiny loose ball bearings 😃
@tobiasmuller55223 ай бұрын
Is it the old 370 Hub on the BMC?
@dzezydzerk7 ай бұрын
it would be great to get links for it.
@Doeff87 ай бұрын
Very much bikes make a ridiculous loud noise. Do people like this? It's annoying, I'd say typical asocial behaviour. The story that it warns pedestrians proves this: yhou shoudl watch out for them, not the other way around! My bike is very silent, I really love it, but I seem one of the last bikers who love to be swift, silent, and attentive to my environment.
@speckles92517 ай бұрын
Well done video
@joshuabuilds30518 ай бұрын
Boy this thumbnail can be hard to look at. I dont think enough was said about drag, and wear. The lighter oil will offer less drag, way more noise, and increased wear on the clutch, when compared to a heavy grease with good anti wearing properties. I think loud hubs became a trend because of younger people entering the sport and perceiving a loud hub to be "high performance" and the louder the more money you can justify spending on it. And then you have a company as old as time like shimano, and they patented a literally silent rear hub. Because cyclists know a quiet bike is a fast bike, no rubs, no squeaks they prioritize quiet and smooth components. I mean even shimano Deore is named that because someone admired the way deer move silently and quickly through thick woods, and thought that was an appropriate name for a mtb groupset.
@pmbdk8 ай бұрын
sound = wasted power
@E.T_rode_bikes_As_well8 ай бұрын
Thicker grease leaves the pawls sticking so for safety purposes I use a lighter one.
@philippejoseph86048 ай бұрын
There is eventually an other option : Keep on pedaling always ( humour ). It's a joke, I appreciated the very professional video.
Ай бұрын
Onyx Vesper, how can it be that quiet ? how nevermind they are very expensive
@pinoyehАй бұрын
ahhh, no need for me to change the internal parts just to get a louder sound. I will still stay with my stock set-up. There will be no performance benefits to my riding should I make any changes.
@40mes7 ай бұрын
Energy is required to make noise, and this energy is coming from the rotating wheel. Hence all the hub-chatter is slowing down wheel rotation. Maybe not a lot, but some. With all the concern about saving a few Watts here and there (e.g. aerodynamic socks), I don't understand why wheels that make such noise are commonplace.
@SlingsAxes8 ай бұрын
Are any of those modern hubs made for rim brake wheels?
@DerFilmgucker7 ай бұрын
The freehub systems do not differ between rim and disc brake wheels. These differ by manufacturer & might change over time.
@molak348 ай бұрын
7:13 you need a ratchet EXP kit
@duathlete8278 ай бұрын
Loud freewheel hubs are absolutely annoying and unnecessary. What reason, other than attention, would you like an annoying noise while your riding.
@highanddryful7 ай бұрын
A fantastic tutorial as always so thanks. Personally I enjoy the loudest clutch as it sure scares the hell out of drifters walking in the middle of a shared path.
@tomnanD37 ай бұрын
Some of the people I ride with have bikes with freehubs that sound like a bagful of pissed off rattlesnake.
@benm94698 ай бұрын
The freewheel with thick grease full, to lubricate is not recommended. It can happen that the pulleys suddenly no longer grip. Then you step forward into the void and if you're lucky, you do not fly on the face.
@christopheroliver1488 ай бұрын
Use a .light grease then. I put RockLube SuperWeb in my early 2000 era Campag freehubs, and the palls work well but with only a very soft clicking. I would find the sound of most of these _modern_ freehub mechs very grating.
@cherish13828 ай бұрын
can you recommend me rd-07 hub grease ? want to reduce noise
@stevenleffanue8 ай бұрын
Because of its 72POE avoid grease that slows the pawl return too much. Lithium complex or lithium polyurea grease would do it nicely.
@KidFury277 ай бұрын
I don't understand why guys like a noisy free hub these days. When I used to race, I always lubed my hubs to be as quiet as possible so I could silently freehub in the draft and not let the guy in front think I was getting a free ride. Otherwise, I'd get a flicky of the 'ol elbow to take my turn.
@mauricefrosler54953 ай бұрын
Could you provide a link to the exact kit you bought for the sueprteam wheels I would like to purchase the 60th kit
@stevenleffanue3 ай бұрын
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@mauricefrosler54953 ай бұрын
@@stevenleffanue thank you very much , this was a great video hopefully no can recognise you when I’m out riding to say hi in person !
@mauricefrosler54952 ай бұрын
@@stevenleffanue Thanks , recieved the ratchet, would you recommend using the springs supplied or the original springs ? also i have noted the aftermarket one does not move freely as the original when fitted to the hub, its a tight fit ? should i use double springs, is that even possible sorry for the questions, noob at this and i just do not want to damage anything as the space in the freehub is already deformed and waiting for new one from superteam
@stevenleffanue2 ай бұрын
If it's not fitting right, then yes , try different springs or even the washers it came with. Mine fitted with either springs.
@hinnerkpaulsen31233 ай бұрын
I don´t like loud freehubs. On one of my bikes i have a Shimano NEXAVE FH-IM70 roller freehub wich is absolutely quiet, but unfortunately they don´t build it anymore
@keacoq7 ай бұрын
Useful vidéo. Now to look at my freewheel so loud that itend to keep the pedals turning to avoid hearing it.