Change | The Steve Dangle Podcast

On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast,
00:00 Toronto is eliminated from the Stanley Cup Playoffs
1:43:00 The rest of the Stanley Cup playoffs
1:53:00 Ryan Reynolds pulls out of the Ottawa Senators sale
1:57:00 Shaving Steve live on the show
Recorded: May 13, 2023
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[@leebird76]

"The first time they touch Bennett is when they shook his hand " that's so savage and hits on so many levels its sad but true.

[@niggasaurusrex9482]

“Thanks for concussing our rookie” 😂😂😂😂

[@LightSpeedRecords]

Should of been Wayne Simmons fist In his face till he passes out

[@Michael-tn9wp]

@ZZCossack ZZ it’s called rooting for your team, emotional and subjective. Who do root for?

[@Michael-tn9wp]

@ZZCossack ZZ Uhm, yeah I get it. The point I made is if one of your young and precious Sabres or Sens got smoked, you wouldn't be pissed?

[@Juannyboi-gl7kj]

This was honestly their best podcast, not cuz they lost but it’s intriguing seeing Steve and Adam debating what to do with the leafs

[@MarkMech]

Adam's mic is tuned up just a touch higher than Jesse's, and Jesse's just a touch higher than Steve's. Let's even it out boys!

[@KevynKing]

Nick Cousins being a former Soo Greyhound who played under Keefe is a really underrated part of that game winner. So Leafy.

[@gylduran9217]

Also a former Hab! 🤣

[@LeafFan0016]

​@@gylduran9217 also a former rapist. Couldn't have come from a better guy

[@gylduran9217]

@@LeafFan0016 lolol you mean the guy who was charged but then the charges were dropped because there was no evidence for conviction? Sounds innocent to me 🤫

[@tml184]

@@gylduran9217 Nope. Rapist.

[@stopdropandroll]

​@@gylduran9217 dont expect someone from toronto to use logic

[@cheddarandsourcream]

The fact that matthews is due a raise despite not playing up to the standards of his current salary is completely fucked

[@Nathanielhiggerson66]

Is he though?

[@deedsofdecapitation7477]

Get rid of Marner and Tavares (whatever it takes), then what they should do with Matthews is offer him the contract that he has now, but offer additional cash incentives if he performs in the playoffs. If he doesn't agree to that, send out rumors throughout the league that he's scared to accept a contract with playoff performance clauses because he knows he can't perform in the clutch. Then throw him out.

[@KyleMacSkill]

​@@Nathanielhiggerson66 yeah there's no way his agent doesn't push for at least the McDavid cap hit. Does he deserve it ? No. But that's not the point

[@Chris-qs8gs]

Leafs fan therapy session has officially commenced

[@OvieSnips8]

Funny enough I've been a leaf fan since birth and I've never been to a therapy session about the leafs. It's non leafs fan who make that up lol

[@Chris-qs8gs]

@@OvieSnips8 Im a Leafs fan too. it's tongue and cheek and all fun (and Pain).

[@drewlally2324]

Good for Adam. Steve and Jesse can keep bitching about officiating but it’s about time someone puts the accountability on the Leafs for not adjusting

[@AmnesiaWhaaa]

The flipping the puck towards the Leaf's blueline has been a tactic for years. Montreal did it, Tampa did it twice, and now the panthers did it. The Leaf's defenders are incapable of countering that play because you never see them try it and never practice against it. The only time they flip the puck to the opposing blueline is to clear the zone and get a change. Their entire mantra is to have possession and stretch pass or carry it through the neutral zone or if that's not available they dump it in. That is their process and they will never change it with the current coaching staff or philosophy from upstairs.

[@matthewmccallum3479]

100% right. They are the 96 Detroit Red Wings. They need their Brendan Shanahan

[@tplomonte]

JC Tremblay made a career of flipping the puck up out of his own end . Just in case for those don't know of him , wore $3 for Les Habitant Canadians. Larry Hilman was another . Simplest play to make if in trouble , slow the game down kill penalties .

[@BurtTurbo]

@@matthewmccallum3479 So, will it take getting rid of Brendan Shanahan to acquire their Brendan Shanahan?

[@NIGHTBREED3R]

Your taught how to handle a bouncing puck in Adam and Peewee. Funny gow that play still works.😂

[@B2Roland]

​@@matthewmccallum3479 lol they wish.

[@metalbudsgaming8371]

You ask Dubas two questions: 1. who is your head coach next season? If he says Sheldon, you dont resign Dubas. If he says someone else, you move onto question 2. 2. Are you keeping the core 4 intact? if yes, you dont resign Dubas.

[@bennyb6071]

just fire dubas

[@joeydabbs1466]

Dubas isn't the issue. He Gave Keefe the tools he needed to win. This is on him. You should know what your best line up is in the second round of the play offs. He couldn't motivate them. He needs to go

[@Tykian00420]

This. And as long as you move 1 of the core 4, im okay. I think it has to be Marner, due to most movable contract with the highest potential return vs the least clutch playoff results. Gotta keep willy over mitch. Gotta.

[@metalbudsgaming8371]

@@Tykian00420 100% Marner has to go. Marner is what the ol heads THINK Nylander is. Soft, passive, parimeter player. Vanishes at any adversity.

[@Michael-tn9wp]

GMs like to hire their own coach, Keefe doesn’t stay without Dubas.

[@nicholasdabruzzo1662]

thanks for the early podcast boys. cheers to another season!

[@markhudak2928]

Much love guys! Best of luck next year.

[@SportNerdGamers]

52:35 Adam saying the Kings won with Jeff Carter and his merry men while completely ignoring guys like Dustin Brown and Anze actual Kopitar is peak Eastern Canadian media lol

[@BarnesGannon]

If Matthews doesn't want to re-sign on July 1st, you HAVE to trade him before the NMC kicks in. You can't let him walk for nothing. You can't move him at the deadline for pennies on the dollar. He either re-signs on July 1st, or he's gone before that.

[@hockeyfan7100]

Said it before and I'll say it again. If moved before July 1, with only 1 year left on his contract, he can /will tell whatever team it is that he will not resign with them if it's a team he doesn't want to play for. That team is HIGHLY unlikely to do any deal with Toronto knowing they would only have him for 1 season. It's what i would do if I were Matthews.

[@BarnesGannon]

@@hockeyfan7100 Then you trade somewhere he'd be willing to sign. Simple.

[@Ghost-ir7yl]

Not that simple

[@KyleMacSkill]

​@Mark B did you see some of the deals GM made at the deadline this year? Was there anyone trade with more value than Matthews? They would still bring in a haul for him. They can't afford to lose him for nothing. If they're in a playoff spot next year they aren't going to trade him at the deadline they have to do it before July 1st

[@johndirollo5446]

You end up with a tkchuck for huberdeau trade. Leafs are stewed

[@biffisgreat]

One thing for sure, I'm sure we will be all watching again next year, plus more, great work, @sdpn

[@mobailey6666]

Even Jack Hughes was throwing hands and hits in the playoffs…come on “core four”

[@Jeshiae]

I cackled when you mentioned that all the winning teams are full of crazy bastards, simply because, it was wild to think of the Leafs, known to have one of the craziest fanbases, to have a star core full of "normies" (by hockey standards).

[@hiph0p0p0tamus9]

lol Jesse There are multiple cameras that have footage of a tennis ball or base ball or soccer ball's position... The issue last night is LINE OF SIGHT. How they hell are you so confident and so wrong at the same time?

[@beakfast6978]

All the time. All. The time.

[@CanadaMatt]

Like I said to Rachel last night, the problem with Puck technology right now is that a pick is a disc, not a sphere. You need a way to measure the outer edges of the puck at any angle in the air to make sure it has completely crossed the line. Plugging a chip in the centre of that disc doesn't accomplish that. You can't compare it to a baseball or tennis ball, because if you put the chip in the middle of a ball you know exactly where the edges of that sphere are at all times.

[@briancolley9568]

They do it in American football, it's not that hard.

[@ThisIsSparta300]

That chip can have actual Ai in it 😂 they’re cheap.

[@rickma6363]

I tennis, when they show the graphic of the ball I or out and there's an imprint of the ball on the court. It's not a circle, they have the technology to show it warped. They can figure it out for the puck. The league just doesn't want to because they the control. They literally don't enforce their rules equally across all teams.

[@themanformerlyknownascomme777]

your forgeting something: even if the puck did cross the line Barkov's leg is clearly being pushed by a Leaf stick so the Goal didn't count anyway.

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

So these chips can pinpoint thier location to the millimeters? How about 2 chips!

[@aviscooo]

Love you guys. Thanks for all work you guys did this season!

[@tml184]

They get paid to do this which is not hard to do. Most people have real jobs.

[@Johnherold121]

First time they touched Bennett was when they shook his hand to congratulate him on advancing to the Conference Finals. Thats so freaking funny

[@scottbaron121]

Even OUR Captain (Stamkos) is willing to throw hands! He's done it several times. I could NEVER imagine Matthews or Marner going after someone in defense of a team-mate.

[@laurensomers5606]

Same as a pens fan Crosby and malkin can be absolute menaces out there, protecting rookies and each other. Seeing no one come to Knies' defence, I knew there that this team would do anything

[@frozenpoopy]

Yep. Stamkos is a great captain. Even years past when he would go cold on the score sheet he would at least throw hits or block shots. But now he does everything. Big goals, bug block shots, hits, and fights. Tavares doesn't do any of that and the other 3 have learned from him. They took a late 20 year old with unsuccessful playoff history and made him the captain.

[@Michael-tn9wp]

Stamkos the wise, bad ass vet? Please. He was a sweet kid as a rookie like the Leafs soft stars.

[@Mining4Dayz]

Regarding what the leafs do, it is veryyyy dependent on other things. Is Matthews willing to take a discount? Is Dubas willing to change his strategy and his core? Are other teams willing to take on some big contracts like Mitch's? And SO much more

[@zacharywoodward5167]

On TNT they had a double screen with the officials on the left and the net cam on the right with audio for both synchronized together. The whistle was blown before the puck crossed the line. Great game none the less!

[@AscendedXSaiyan]

​@@Thisisbailie Course they didn't. Fans were already celebrating 😂

[@dailymeme6476]

Thanks for the podcast guys

[@JohnnyCorelli]

Jack Campbell vs. Freddie Andersen starting Goalies Game 1 Stanley Cup....Could you imagine

[@mrme9922]

crazy how plausible that is lol

[@adamrichmond6348]

Na, oilers keep starting skinner and then pulling him so maybe those two at the end of game one *shrugs*

[@MuskokaMatt91]

This cuts deep 😂

[@seanmcdaniel142]

Guys. Been listening for about 5 years. The growth of steves channel and this network is awesome. I believe you have almost tripled your subscribers, as well as the shows have gotten better year by year. Thanks for being something to look forward to listening to on My 50 min commute to work.

[@kugashira1018]

''He's (MacKinnon) got eyes that suggest he used to pick wings off flies for fun when he was bored in school''. As a big Nathan MacKinnon fan, I love that description lmao. That's my dude right there.

[@darrenleblanc2521]

Fantastic episode

[@rileymills7887]

Man what a great season - I know you guys aren't done but thanks so much. This team and you guys have made my life so much better. THANKS (from the compliment section)

[@jedicat9470]

Let the heads roll!

[@alexmercer674]

Appreciate the closed captioning within the first few hours of release

[@dickbiggerjr3613]

Every time Steve touches on a good topic Adam: "We'll get to that..."

[@UltraViolence90]

Adam is a clown

[@niedermayer96]

THANK YOU!!!!!

[@BabyBowDingBall]

Wow the host of the podcast is keeping it structured? Crazy.

[@dickbiggerjr3613]

@@BabyBowDingBall a good host could easily include all topics without constantly interrupting the flow of the star of the podcast. Why does it have to be some bulletin points of topics that have to be covered in an exact order, if a topic comes up naturally in conversation a good host should be able to make that transition. Adam doesn't.

[@KamekoTsuruga]

its 2023, there is no excuse for not being able to tell if the puck crossed the line or not.

[@joshcearns5560]

I am totally one if those that tunes into Leaf losses. Im on a watch list , most likely 😂. I only recently, in the last couple of years, found this podcast. This podcast is top notch, no matter what happens, your content is so much more than just LFR. I wish we had anything close to this in the nations capital. Keep it coming

[@komnumep]

Same here as a Stars fan. I love this podcast because not only do I get the leafs soap opera (Which is always entertaining, no matter what happens) but I feel like I end up with a good overview of the whole league without any of the toning down of the criticisms that the actual sports networks put out.

[@deltagolavista1]

27:00 The difference between a tennis ball, a soccer ball, a baseball and a hockey puck is three of them are spherical balls, the other is a disc. The diameter of a sphere is equal on all exterior points, the diameter of a puck is not. Not making an excuse on why the NHL hasn't implemented this yet, but this technology does seem easier with a sphere, than a puck that can be on it's edge around the red line, or worse flipping it's way through the air.

[@wilseph1]

The pod with CJ is going to be fire.

[@PpP-dr1od]

I'm pretty sure Jesse is wrong about tennis and baseball's chip tech. The Hawkeye system in tennis is a camera system, and so is the system the MLB uses to track strikes. There may be chip tech in other sports, but the examples you gave that I'm aware of wouldn't work for what you want.

[@PatrickD2703]

He is wrong. The chips in hockey also aren’t in the puck (players have said they notice a difference in the feel) and they also use an infrared camera system to track the puck. Can’t track a puck you can’t see…

[@misslolohannah]

@@PatrickD2703 Exactly. They tried the chip in the puck a couple of seasons ago and Matthews and Spezza specifically spoke up and said the puck was behaving oddly because of it and the league did away with it. Maybe they’re working on a better procedure to implement it behind the scenes but they hadn’t been able to figure it out last time they tried it.

[@pliskenmovie]

As far as the tracking tech in the puck...the easy part of tennis, baseball, etc...is that those are SPHERES and there's very rarely a person in the way of the tracking cameras. The hockey puck is a cylinder, and can be in some bizarre orientation where the centroid of the puck is over the line, but the body of the puck is not.

[@johncox7169]

My phone knows when I rotate it, tilt it, and where it is at all times. If they can do it with my phone, they can do it with a puck.

[@krushingkobra]

Playoff officiating has been the same for 20+ years. It is what it is. If your team is the one complaining about your opponents dirty plays not getting called, then your team is softer and is going to lose.

[@daniel90550]

Great show today boys

[@ethanfasking5243]

VIR is difficult for hockey specifically because pucks are harder to accurately model in a 3D environment. Spheres are always the same shape no matter how you rotate them. Pucks are cylinders, so their rotation matters. The center of a puck that’s perpendicular to the ice can be much closer to the goal line and count than a puck that’s parallel to the ice. TL;DR - the only variable for spheres is position of the center, pucks need position and orientation.

[@SauvelmM]

Correct. Also, every phone & tablet manufactured in the last 10 years+ has a very small gyro in it and is orientation-aware. At microsecond temporal resolution or better. The technology exists... the will to be technically accurate and objective about calls in the NHL league does not.

[@ethanfasking5243]

@@SauvelmM except those don't broadcast orientation via a wireless signal, which is not an extant technology at the scale of a functional hockey puck.

[@HandsomeDanVacationRentals]

I’m tired of the conversation about the refs. Every fan base has horror stories of the referees or the league jobbing there team. But guess what. Somebody still wins every year. The refs don’t have it out for the leafs. The leafs just don’t have a very tenacious or mentally tough team.

[@celly589]

The more podcasts I listen to when you break down things about the leafs inside and out, the more I’m like wow, the leafs and Wild are very similar in many many aspects

[@VFTC]

You guys really are doing a great job, this podcast along with the hockey guy is a part of my daily routine down here in Brooklyn.

[@chefadamyoho]

@sdpn I always enjoy watching the LFRs when the Leafs lose, but in all honesty this podcast is the best hockey commentary. Keep up the great work.

[@swavekbu4959]

The "Shannaplan" has officially failed. The window for the Leafs winning a Cup may be almost closed and soon they'll be lucky to be making the playoffs. They're squandered 5-7 years thinking this team had it in them to win. This year is more devastating than prior years because now we know what lies ahead of the 1st round, which is out in 5, same old Leafs. "Getting over the hump" was a myth.

[@LeftHandShred2]

My heart is broken. I had so much hope this year and they didn't take advantage of the opportunity they were given. Change is good, guys.

[@BlackMasakari]

ah come on, it's just a goddamn hockey team -get a life !

[@NIGHTBREED3R]

I really believe that LOU could have won the cup with this core.

[@ak1991_Prince]

NHL needs to change the playoffs structure back to top 8 in each conference.

[@zerojayzero]

Steve with mustache = Deputy Dangle.

[@ScreaminT81]

See the notification and immediate click! Sad and looking forward to seeing what happens the next several weeks

[@curseyoujordanshow]

I like Tavares. He's overpaid, but he's a good player, he fills a vital role, and I'm happy he's on the team. But (and this is making the concession that I can't see inside the locker room), it is my opinion that he is a *_garbage_* captain. I'm sure he's a super nice guy, and that everyone loves him a lot, but that's not even close to what qualifies captaincy qualities. The point of a captain isn't to be everybody's friend and make them feel good about themselves; it's to inspire them to go out on the ice, give everything they have to give, and then ask what else they can give. Your players have to want to absolutely _bleed_ for the team, and I'm sorry, but I just don't see how you get that kind of inspiration from a guy with the personality of a cardboard cutout.

[@scrambie]

This conversation sobered me up in a hurry.

[@5minprod]

I agree with Adam, that is a good look on Steve!

[@people3865]

Come on guys! I thought Kerfoot was a "Swiss army knife" you three been sayjng it for years 😂😂😂😂 hes so versatile haha

[@scottbaron121]

With the Bolts, Schenn was a solid bottom pairing defenseman...but he wasn't known for the rough stuff or taking runs at guys. The Leaf's and Tampa, for that matter, need a guy like Gudas (even though he used to play in Tampa). Him laughing in Woll's face, after the gwg was just savage. Unsportsmanlike as all hell but Toronto needs a little of that. Especially on their 4th line.

[@NIGHTBREED3R]

As long as people are playing this sport this kind of player is still relevant especially in the playoffs. Was hoping Simmons could do this.

[@cjmllvv]

Studio needs another light in there brothers

[@sandisaustrisapse]

Dubas IS stubborn.... he's kept Keefe despite being out coached each playoffs, INCLUDING Dominic Ducharme

[@inalasahl]

It’s not about toughness or grit. It’s a leadership issue. The guy they need to trade is Matthews and he’s the one piece they’ll never get rid of. He doesn’t take responsibility and can’t show any leadership (something the team should have figured out after his disorderly conduct fiasco).

[@randysgutful]

He's definitely part of the problem. Neither him nor Marner have the character to lead teams. Great talents but they don't have it in them to be the guy to win games through sheer will. The only one of the core who has that spark is Rielly, and half the fanbase wanted to get rid of him this season and just run Sandin-Lilly to a cup. We're all fucked.

[@AscendedXSaiyan]

It's grit and toughness as well. You *NEED* that too

[@Marixa1979]

I can 100% appreciate the sentiment of not cheering for a different Canadian team once yours is out. As an Oilers fan, there's no world where I can root for the Leafs or especially the flames.

[@jaystyx5134]

I am a die hard leafs fan but if they are out and another Canadian team is in, I cheer for them. Example is Oilers right now. I just want the cup in Canada for a change. Not sure why ppl cant cheer for other Canadian teams if their primary team is out. Hell, I would cheer for the Canadiens and I can't stand them lol.

[@habswingsfan8702]

@@jaystyx5134 same diehard Habs fan here and I was really rooting for a leafs oilers final. I just wish to see hockey in Canada for once, and like u said I don’t understand the disdain for ppl who cheer for other Canadian teams once theirs is out

[@shardhoney]

Jarnkrok was holding Gudas' stick on the play too lol

[@user-wk9ye8ln7m]

Jesse, I can add some more context on the puck tracking. Tennis, baseball and soccer all rely on computer vision tracking technology to determine the exact coordinates of the objects in space. Meaning that the position of the ball is taken from mapping many different images of the ball at many different angles, therefore chip-in-ball technology is not largely relied on for these sports. The nature of these sports allows for the object of interest to be easily captured by cameras at different angles at the specific times of interest. However, for hockey it would be nearly impossible to build a reliable puck tracking system that solely requires computer vision technology. The puck would easily get lost on board or *ehem* under a goalie pad. That is why the NHL has heavily investing in developing the puck-chip technology, but there still exists gaps in mapping the edges and orientation of the puck to the required accuracy. The closest implemented technology is actually the USFL using a combination of chip-in-ball and computer vision to correct ball spotting down to millimeters. Which again, is accurate enough for football, but might not be for hockey

[@adamrichmond6348]

Chips are still a dead idea because of the vulcanized rubber issue. You would think they would have tried cameras in the posts by now so you could literally get the same angel as the goal line.

[@user-vx8er3pb3u]

Yeap, and NHL has no problem with tracking flying pucks. Also in tennis you just have to track landing spot.

[@AryssSkaHara]

@@adamrichmond6348 these could be obscured by players just as all the other cameras on the rink

[@laurenl6272]

I see that Steve is taking the loss well 🤣

[@chipsudderth3987]

Did I miss any discussion of Canes/Devils in either of the last two episodes...? Beyond the drive-by about Edmonton/Carolina at 1:43:00?

[@SealySinger87]

1:42:30 for about 30 seconds…in which Adam mixes up Aho with Svech and the other 2 don’t notice. Tell me you haven’t watched a Canes game in the playoffs without telling me you haven’t watched a Canes game in the playoffs 🤦🏼‍♀️ Almost as bad as the ESPN announcers.

[@bammm302]

Good afternoon!

[@shrimpe2876]

The end of this podcast was the amalgamation of all 3 of their frustrations over the last 2 podcasts lol

[@ethvn8]

sometimes Steve is the epitome of willful ignorance lol

[@brandonmiracle9810]

"Without Teuvo Teravainen. Without Sebastian Aho." I'm begging you all to please watch the Hurricanes play just once. Aho hasn't been out.

[@kwilliams4031]

I'm sure they have... last time they played the Leafs.

[@lukewaggoner9513]

Love that they mentioned Nathan MacKinnon and Landeskog on the Avs as crazy guys, and didn't even mention Kadri or Nichushkin (who has possibly the scariest smile of any player I've ever seen).

[@JamesDEAN1995]

this video tells me one thing WE NEED MARCHAND!

[@CatarinaPereira-op9pd]

Oilers fan here…. I share your disbelief with how the referees have handled these playoffs!! How can a fan continue to watch and support this league!!

[@rickyrichards1294]

7 years of failure, changes are needed, that being said in that time only 5 of 32 teams have won the thing

[@johnbrowne2170]

Failure since 1967.

[@gingyj1866]

Sounds like you're dreaming of a B. Tkachuk and Stutzle combo

[@Dtaras420]

Best solution for a better goal line maybe is maybe a Lazer point going across the goal line with a came that is directly in view where if a puck goes through it will break the line ?

[@borafett3005]

Steve needs to learn that following the rules is not a thing in any professional team sport. The Patriots in the NFL, and recently the Astros in the MLB both won multiple championships by bending the rules to their favor or outright cheating. It's just the nature of competition and no rule can change it.

[@UltraViolence90]

Zamboni driver 😂

[@EpicDragonTK]

😂😂😂 I love you guys

[@user-pd4bs4yv1c]

26:05 ish into the video they talked about whether or not a puck is harder to track than a tennis ball. The puck would be harder to deal with since it is not spherically symmetric. A puck on its side could be fully in the net while if it was laying flat it would still be on the line.

[@Bizbappo7171]

Fuckin bingo. Love these guys but they’re not engineers, you can’t just say “we have the technology and it’s easy why can’t we just do it”

[@jepperz]

Thank god this episode is solely about the leafs. As it should be. Feel better guys I’m going through it too

[@Hockeyhobo89]

Obviously it’s disappointing but it’s the first time I don’t feel completely miserable. We got over the first round hump and ya it didn’t go well after but I’ve never seen this team play second round hockey until this year and I’m grateful for that. I just wish it was October so I can watch them play again, that’s honestly harder than losing.

[@killroy123]

I truly believe this was a good season. I'm fully behind small tinkering because this is a good team that now has experience. Let them heal up over the summer and get ready. They'll break through next.

[@rickbengle5240]

@@killroy123 This is so funny that you guys think this way... Having a team that should be winning ... having a team favorite to win and they are embarrased and you are happy with that. C'mon Man!!

[@JoshMarshain]

100%. I don't know all the answers but I know damn well I've felt a hell of a lot worse after leafs losses before

[@rickbengle5240]

@@JoshMarshain you know why sadly. . You are used to it. This year is way worse because of the issues around the contracts with Mathews and Nylander…. If you are a knowledgeable fan you can hear the window slamming shut . This loss means it is not business as usual

[@BiasedSportsFan]

Yeah same here. I was expecting to be crushed after the OT loss, but I was really impressed by the panthers more than disappointed by the leafs. Maybe it was because I was preparing for the worst after game 3, but it was definitely the first time in a while I wasn’t absolutely heartbroken. I’m still glad we got past the first round (even if our stay in the second round wasn’t long), so I hope we can make the right moves in the off-season and get back here this time next year (sorry for the long paragraph I just have a lot of feelings to share lol)

[@Kyleedge192]

Two more episode before this show is watchable again.

[@teapea8184]

Tbh they could easily just add a magnetic strip into the pucks and have sensors to detect when it's fully across. It's pretty simple tech and it leaves no doubt.

[@justinmcgloin9060]

The 'play within the rules' argument is tough. To get eliminated by a goal that should have been a penalty, after last year having a goal called back because of a penalty is infuriating... Holl tried to "Gudas" it last year... Clifford tried to Gudas it and got suspended....

[@broskiproductions49]

But like Adam said. They shouldn't have been there in the first place. Leave no doubt

[@noahsmall3770]

It was nice to see Steve kind of put Adam in his place at the end of the leafs segment. Adam is completely delusional about this team (especially Tavares) and seeing him essentially want to run it back is insane

[@charles-andrevincelette9009]

He is kind of pathetic right?

[@philtorrez4198]

Adam and sometimes Jesse have the worst takes. I only watch this for pure entertainment. Not for hockey insight. Steve is all right, just blinded by leafs fandom.

[@hydero555]

do you have a timestamp of this?

[@austindemelo4947]

And you can't blow up a team that made quantifiable progress. Give me a year with no progress, and then I'll say blow it up. Adam's not delusional. Steve is being bull-headed.

[@CorrionReap]

​@@austindemelo4947 they had how many years before this one? News flash better partof a decade.

[@77cyclops]

Rangers fan here - still love you guys!

[@KamekoTsuruga]

1:34:55 adam there is no world where mathews stays in toronto. they need to move both marner and mathews but if its one or the other you have to move matthews. he will leave next year and the leafs will get nothing. when dubas goes to matthews and tells him not only is he not going to get a raise but he needs to take less he is gonna laugh in dubas' face.

[@stephenkyriakou4286]

This is precisely why I wanted it blown up last year. You could see this coming in terms of just being forced to run it back yet again because they run out of time before July 1. 💀

[@VompoVompatti]

It's difficult to bring toughness to the team from the bench.

[@alphadog1961]

Maroon had most of them sh!ttin'and Stainin' and hoping they did not get the nod.Schenn could only protect so many.Why would Dufass have Simmons and not use him to protect guys that abandon the puck and use their speed to escape getting hit

[@user-cc2gg7mj6k]

"THEY are the team."

[@ethanpascoe1540]

As a pens fan, I was genuinely worried after the leafs won round 1 that Dubas would no longer be available. I LOVE Dubas, and the idea if him being at the helm for the penguins. I think he would be great for the pens, the core is already locked up so we just get those great depth signings and trades and the agressive mentality without the $10M+ contracts.

[@DarkHorse902]

I am 100% on board with that.

[@RukaRadebe]

I agree with everything you said, but just want him on my Flames instead of the Pens 😂

[@muchtoonice]

I can't believe they talked about this series and the outcome for nearly 2 hours and didn't once mention Keefe. His system sucks so much, I genuinely think if you put a guy like Cooper behind their bench, the Leafs would steamroll their way through the playoffs. Obviously I don't think the players are free of blame, but watching these guys continually due the stupid back pass into dump and chase with every zone entry (among a million other systemic stuff), it's pretty clear the system they're playing under is hot garbage

[@stayfrosty7558]

Oh the times they are a changing

[@dolandarkxgrandayy6953]

Steve at the end of the show looks like he carried the Leafs organization to Mount Doom in Mordor.

[@CarsonogenGames]

We can argue the Leaf's should play playoff hockey, but when there is no consistency in calls, it's hard to know which game to play. Seems like whistles come out on Leaf's during plays that other teams don't get calls on (flashback to Holl's interference penalty last year). When it's a coin flip, last thing you'd want is to risk the biscuit when you don't know what the outcome will be.

[@theemiester4090]

I appreciate how obvious it is that Adam isn't watching or paying attention to any series but the Leafs because Andersen has been standing on his head ever since he got brought in in round 1 against NYI

[@7200ounceman]

​@@Thisisbailie you aint watching hockey as well.

[@michaeldevaul2558]

Also mixed up Svech and Aho

[@theperverseincentive]

Tracking in other sports is based on math based on the spherical shape. So the direct transferability of technology of other sports isn't actually something that can be presumed for hockey right now.

[@AYoung-ir7qr]

This was the best episode of the season (and it had to be when the Leafs had their’s ended). Thank you guys.

[@terryroberts9171]

Lmao saying no one is going to watch cause it’s Carolina Florida and possibly Vegas Dallas. Grow up. People complain it’s always the same teams and now there is a switch up and it’s the worst thing for the NHL…

[@enaykalyk]

I hope Tavares is gone. Dude's a good guy, and if he was cheaper I'd want him to stay, but he could only lead NY out of the first round once, and now we have proof of concept that it wasnt just the players around him. It was an ineffective push forward for the other young guys.

[@BigWyatt]

Hey guys, haven’t even watched yet but the first thing I’m thinking is matthews or marner? Which one would you rather keep and which one would give you a good return and make the team better? Glad they got one series win but I just can’t imagine how you can run it back for a 7th or 8th straight failure with only one round being won, the big bois just don’t have it come post season. Need a new mix of talent

[@georgezuwala7075]

Positives, Woll, kneis, Acurri, etc.

[@dolandarkxgrandayy6953]

Woll and Knies are not the future, they need to be the now for next season.

[@ChrisSzulwach]

Hang on a sec, isn't that in the future?