Changeling Recruits Enemy Heroes? Why?

Thanks to @Warpanda98 for sharing this quirky little ability of the Changeling.
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[@Meyna86]

"It's not a bug, it's a feature"

[@saintpres4ge533]

One possible application is if you can then recruit a immortal hero for them, then request and steal it, this means you can get any mages you want from any faction, or get strong heroes from other factions like Paladins from Bretonnia or Warrior Priests from Empire. If Changeling has vassals then you can do it much easier.

[@MercytheMad]

Nice yeah recruit level 20+ heroes so they start immortal.

[@Willdroyd]

Thats what I was gonna say, makes getting heroes much easier!

[@alexreys7985]

Or get a gunnery wight

[@bruhed1117]

The changelings skill tree also has an empire characters trait on the first single blue line skill

[@arkorat3239]

This is messed up, considering how expensive saved heroes can get.

[@athath2010]

Are you unable to recruit them if the other faction doesn't have enough money to buy them? Are you unable to recruit them if YOU don't have enough money for them? This seems like something worth testing.

[@SkavenEnjoyerYesYes]

Not going to make any difference to AI. It has no money issues.

[@ekothesilent9456]

@@SkavenEnjoyerYesYesyou only think that because you can’t see their treasuries. There are AI factions in this game that start with negative income on legendary difficulty and many of them hit negative income in the first 5 turns. Wissenland, hochland, and a few more minor empire factions hit turn 3 with 0 gold and negative recruitment. The only thing that keeps them alive is their built-in attrition resistance and replenishment buffs. The only hope they can ever get of expanding is having enough weak enemy armies throw themselves at their walls until they can get enough post battle income to field an offensive army.

[@over9000lord]

Damn, I can't get over how raw this saving heroes mechanic is. Why did they even introduce it? :D

[@thomasprice7893]

The game is BEGGING for full RPG mechanics where your heroes and lords are fully customisable and have branching skill trees that adapt based on how you employ them.

[@MercytheMad]

Yeah I have never been a fan.

[@MercytheMad]

Thanks to @Warpanda98 for sharing this weird little quirk of the Changeling. If anyone can figure out any practical use for this 'feature' please let me know!

[@justaworm7056]

This works on Lords, too. You can spawn a Lord for their faction next to a walled settlement, then attack the lord, who is reinforced by the settlement, to fight them outside the walls

[@MercytheMad]

That's brilliant! I didn't expect anyone to come up with a use for this so fast!

[@user-sj5gd7jf6h]

Cult allied settlement, spawn hero, borrow army with said hero, get him killed, receive him on respawn. A lot of work for doubtful returns.

[@Warpanda98]

Thank you for your response Mercy🤙🏼

[@athath2010]

@@justaworm7056 devious ... but for that to work, wouldn't you need to already have a cult in the city you're attacking?

[@dooomdesire]

Plus you can spwn saved lords for the enemy faction as well to farm garrisons for exp

[@MercytheMad]

Nice!

[@Medard22]

Dear Mercy this is a LONG comment, but informative I hope! Some things you might find interesting about the Blue Scribes in game: I had essentially "free spells" with the blue scribes, because they get -60% cost overall from their skill tree (15 times -4% = -60%), plus since I played Vilitch, there is an Eye of the Gods event, that gives you a bonus, which reduces cost of spells by a further 50%, for five turns. Basically, I was able to cast almost every spell in the game (no Lore of Wild spells or Runic spells for example) for 1 winds of magic (it doesn't allow for 0, it is capped at 1). There are other ways to reach above their baseline of 60%. Yuan Bo's defeat trait can further increase it by 20%, meaning if the scribes are in the lord's army with the trait, they get to cast some spells for 1 WoM, and they have -80% off Aekold Hellbrass is able to reduce the cost of lore of life spells by 20% because of his trait. If the beforementioned two bonuses combine, you can cast ALL lore of life spells for 1 WoM with the scribes The first army ability (the one that increases magic) also combos well with the scribes, since you are only using 1 WoM for every spell. I was also able to have a lord generate infinite amounts of magic, since he was able to cast plague of rust for 1 WoM, and he had the lore of death passive through a path of glory skill One LAST thing The blue scribes have a skill that lets them give an apocalypse spell for the army, last skill in the magic line. However, this spell doesn't disappear after the turn ends, so you can basically... Move the Blue Scribes from army to army, and when the turn starts, just move them out of the army, and the army will have access to an apocalypse spell, until it gets defeated I think. Also if you keep the scribes in the army, they overwrite the spell from the previous turn, meaning you can roll again for another spell if you are not satisfied with the current one. Cheers mate, good videos!!!

[@MercytheMad]

I haven't recruited the scribes yet, sounds cool, I will have to give them a go! I am not really interested in Kairos or Changeling though. Maybe I could try an Archaon or Vilitch Campaign soon though! Thanks for the explanation, if you have any more tips and tricks please pass them on!

[@nailigniststarzear6689]

also if we force them to recruit high level hero...that is so expensive that probably bankrupt them? I remember saved lord that is about lv10 cost 5k or so

[@sirgo0se97]

Bruh the changeling is so broken I had a mutalith doomstack by turn 20 like what 😭

[@Zelorp]

Because it’s fucking cool, that’s why

[@Estus1999]

hand craft a hero in each faction with mostly bad traits then you hire them for places you don't really like and watch chaos ensue

[@nuudles982]

Ah premium feature

[@Warpanda98]

I mean you can use it to waste their money but it depends on if it makes sense for you or not

[@MercytheMad]

Yeah it seems a bit unnecessary considering all the Changelings other capabilities, but one more way to mess with them I guess :)

[@ece2178]

Won’t be surprised if CA made these bugs just so they charge people 5 quid for fixing them

[@caos1925]

you say "one more" I bet there are still a lot more to be discovered

[@parker1093]

If there's a faction you want to help keep alive this could help. or even better in multiplayer with friends

[@MrParadux]

This also works for Lords.

[@soldier22881]

Thanks!

[@MercytheMad]

Legend!

[@Tutel0093]

Nuking enemy economy recruiting heroes. Intended if you ask CA

[@anonymostoxicmale3241]

its a feature xD

[@simoncodrington]

Can force them to spawn shithouse heroes right next to your agent, so you can get some cheap and easy XP leveling with them 😂

[@MercytheMad]

Yes!

[@bibby659]

I feel like this being a thing is pretty funny tbh, and can also be very annoying for enemy players in multiplayer that already have it hard getting rid of you. Just imagine that now you are fighting vlad or the empire, and suddenly a hundred heroes come out of nowhere all lvl 50.

[@FxTR22]

Can you do this to vassalised factions too? If so, then you could get lvl 20 heroes spam going

[@MercytheMad]

I think you can do it to any faction if you have a cult and they have the correct building.

[@johnybravo4807]

kislev can't even recruit ice witch lord nice premium 300$ + game with premium dlc

[@Amenema]

Requesting any army that has a hero in it, and then killing that hero adds that hero to your recruitment pool. This is not as easy to do with Changeling as it is for Yuan Bo but it is cool that it exists and see no downside to it, even if it is a bug.

[@nooptions101]

I'm wondering how this works in coop. If you were to spawn a hero on your friends settlement then would he have to pay for it?

[@quint3ssent1a]

I mean, then you can steal YOUR hero from them... but it's a lot of work for honestly not very significant reward.

[@Defsnot_Momskowerkor]

How do you figure this stuff out? CA need you on the payroll

[@MercytheMad]

People like you discover the things and tell me mostly! "It takes a village to...find all the exploits"? I probably only discover about 10% of the stuff myself, mostly I just share stuff the community has shared with me.

[@RhobarEisenblut]

Imagine forcing them to buy a lvl 50 hero.

[@skupipup]

Just a prank.

[@emixam6947]

Multiplayer campaigns. Just waste the other guys cash