Changes to M4 Gen Testing Methods

[@craigjohnchronicles2504]

Big thanks for all your work and effort. These real world use tests have been invaluable.

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you!

[@crashoutsignal]

you are the BEST reviewer of Apple Silicon - no one, does the actual useful benchmarking you do. Looking forward to the analysis

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you!

[@donovanchin]

Love your work, Art. Year after year, you’ve shown that you are the one that give us the data that real photographers can use for determining which machines to consider.

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you!

[@jimvetterphotography]

I’m most excited to see these Lightroom tests: Import 1:1 preview building Noise reduction HDR merge Cmd-E open image in photoshop Export large jpg files Thanks, Art!

[@ArtIsRight]

You're Welcome!

[@psoon04286]

Really appreciate you spending the time to run these tests and the compilations of the results for quick references👍😄

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you!

[@jorisdijkema]

Thanks for all your effort. Looking forward to the test results. Especially LrC 1:1 previews!

[@ArtIsRight]

You and me both!

[@michamazur3289]

@@ArtIsRightand me

[@rogierchang1508]

I am just glad to see you back again.

[@ArtIsRight]

Much appreciated

[@cherrysound]

Thank you SO MUCH for your tests - they are SUPER useful!

[@ArtIsRight]

You're Welcome!

[@Shotbygreko]

Great work. Your upgrade paths is the most insightful.

[@ArtIsRight]

Much appreciated!

[@ZE3kr]

This is the exact test we want to see! Not the Geekbench scores that are easy to run/compare shared from other KZbinrs. Thank you!

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you

[@kjltube]

Thank you for your efforts. I find your results shill free which is a breath of fresh air. 😊

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you

[@kjltube]

@@ArtIsRight Can you possibly test to see if M4 Pro devices which now have Thunderbolt 5 ports, support the USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 standard? Currently macs only support up to 10Gp/s rather than the possible 20Gp/s. I'm hoping this has now changed...

[@food4k911]

The review on M4 SOC I have been waiting for. Thank you, Art.

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you

[@aakashmalik19]

thanks for all the efforts much appreciated

[@ArtIsRight]

My pleasure!

[@wmclt5588]

Really enjoyed this video and the new approach. Amateur photographer (~ 1yr) and am going to replace my base M1 Mac mini with a M4 variant. I agree with buying guide 1-4!! Thanks!

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank You!

[@ryanvacation7319]

I agree please do a live stream as you test. That would be interesting to watch

[@ArtIsRight]

next time, this time things got cracy

[@RiverCityRansom]

We appreciate the effort you put in!

[@ArtIsRight]

I appreciate that!

[@grafxdesigner93]

Awesome. I've always thought going with the Pro model was a better investment in the long haul than to going with the base model. I've said for years that NO MATTER what, ALWAYS get the model with AT LEAST 16GB because it performs way better than the 8GB model, whether it is the MacBook Air or the Pro. I've been saying this for a long, long time. Now Apple coming out with the M4 lineup starting with 16GB of Ram as a starting point. Excellent and informative video as always.

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank You!

[@EfraECR]

Everybody calm down!!! My favorite serie just started 🍿😎

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you!

[@ondrejbobek.]

Happy to see the local adjustment "AI" masks sync times. Its an active use task so I can see the difference from my older computer. I don't usually sync masks that often, but I can determine how long it takes to work on one image, and that's important for day-to-day work. Just for fun - mask sync from 1 to 10 additional 42Mpx images (subject, background, sky, ground) takes over 30 seconds on my desktop i7 9700K + RTX 3070... but AI Denoise is just 14-15 seconds for an image.

[@ArtIsRight]

👍🏼

[@christopherdavis9137]

Yeah I think a live would be fun 😊

[@ArtIsRight]

things got crazy, didn't do it, next time

[@bananaxxm]

great! waiting for your release😁 best test for MAC chips ever

[@bananaxxm]

and please include M1 PRO chips in the test, I'm wondering which one should I pick, M4 Pro or Max...

[@ArtIsRight]

:)

[@ionmihai79]

some lightroom masking tests would also be very interesting (select subject , add 1/3 stops of exposure, select sky, decrease highlights and lower exposure). Also, it would be interesting to share the photos you use for your tests so we can compare to our own computers. Thanks!

[@ArtIsRight]

😀

[@xyphoto]

The best real world Mac test channel! Looking forward to these tests. You are really doing a great service to the photo and video community! Would love to hear your view on 24GB vs. 32GB RAM on the base M4 Pro for photo editing.

[@ArtIsRight]

:)

[@stuartduhadaway27]

I'm so glad I found your channel. I'm really looking forward to your new M4 comparisons. I'm a wedding photographer and I'm torn between trying to wait for the next mac studio or buy the new mac mini. (currently using an iMac M1 16GB)

[@ArtIsRight]

Ah any of these new one can beat out the iMac M1, but the studio is sweet when it comes out!

[@gregmossphotography7479]

I appreciate your test, very thourough.

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you!

[@Mozi2380]

When will the Video be online? Love your Videos. Made my decision because of your Videos. Consider a MacMini M4 Pro but waiting for your conclusion which configuration is best for my need 🙂

[@ArtIsRight]

a bit late to the comment but they already are kzbin.info/aero/PLjlr8rlxl_q4aVEJ3WD5lXBZJoEe_t_hS

[@mvp_kryptonite]

Apple, send this man a suite of devices to test! Can’t wait to watch these. Brain is saying M4 Pro MBP with 48 go ram but heart wants M4 Max with >48gb ram lol

[@ArtIsRight]

If you do Video get the Max, it is worth it!

[@rbvan]

Yes, please show the processes (software) in action. Your reviews are so thorough but very technical with a bit of information overload. Would be nice to see the computers in action with Lightroom and Capture One. Looking forward to your M4 tests before I purchase. Want to known24/48GB memory recommendation. Thank you! 🙏

[@ArtIsRight]

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[@aayushbhatia3278]

Please please do a M4 (base) vs M3 Pro comparison. They are almost the same price now but nobody is talking about what model is better performance wise

[@ArtIsRight]

Pro

[@aayushbhatia3278]

@ The legend himself replied. Thanks so so much! From what little I can find online M4 base is a little better when it comes to CPU performance and M3 Pro is better for GPU performance. Is that a correct assessment ? Thanks !

[@logesh5213]

Yes, please do the live

[@ArtIsRight]

Will try

[@67er]

I great work!!! Do you have the chance to test a Windows workstation with a beefy Ryzen 9 with RTX 4090? Your kind of testing the the best on the whole YT❤ I am very excited about the results on LRC. Especially the comparison to an Windows machine. This is what (i think) most people wanna see. Real World examples! thanks a lot!!! ❤

[@ArtIsRight]

I don’t have a pc desktop, I got a beefy laptop though. The m18

[@salrwy]

Thank you muchly!

[@ArtIsRight]

Welcome!

[@davidherber4233]

Excellent review! How about an upcoming review with Parallel’s and AutoCAD for us PC users ready to switch? Cheers!

[@ArtIsRight]

I don't use those apps

[@alexanderzikal7244]

I also say Thank You! Export Sony-files is very interesting.

[@ArtIsRight]

You're Welcome!

[@bcatt72]

Thanks a lot for your efforts ! I would be verifying interested to compare the MacBook Pro M4 32 Go vs MacBook Pro M4 Pro M4 Pro 24 Go

[@ArtIsRight]

😃

[@Urosaurus]

Thanks, I am curious if there is a difference in SSD speeds between capacities?

[@ArtIsRight]

Like previous years/gens with the number of nand chip used for varying capacity of storage, yes we’ll probably see a speed variation. But like I said before, even the slow one is more than fast enough. Most people won’t run into an issue :)

[@davidligon6088]

Great! I use an A7RV! Lightroom import time is vastly different, depending on your import settings. It would help to know what those are for your tests. Another test I would like to see is preview generation, or do you include that in the import test? Another good test would be to select 20-30 object masks in a scene and look at rendering time to view. This is something that brings my 14 inch M1 Max with 64 GB memory to a halt. Finally, I don’t typically see a linear time differential, based on the image size, with Lightroom Denoise AI. Thank you for all your work! I know a lot of your tests are done by hand, and are very time consuming. I look forward to seeing your results! Oh, can you add the Mac Mini to your list? I’m thinking about adding an M4 Mac Mini for my desk and relegating my laptop, specifically for travel. Thank you.

[@ArtIsRight]

Just preview, no preset apply. Import is 1:1, hence preview generation. :)

[@stefannnnnnnnn]

Hi Art. Love your videos and I’m looking forward to all the upcoming tests! Did you consider testing denoise on LrC 13.5 in addition to version 14? I would assume it would use the NPU on M4 just fine. Would be nice to see the same test run on both versions.

[@ArtIsRight]

I have some preliminary test runs on a very limited machine with 13.5 NPU, but the thing is most will use 14 onwards that and I have limited time, so I’ll take this into consideration.

[@stefannnnnnnnn]

@@ArtIsRight No worries Art. Thanks as always!

[@rbvan]

Please also tell us if nano texture is recommended for photo editing. Thank you! 🙏

[@ArtIsRight]

I do but not all agree, so get what you prefer

[@jase1125]

dude you are killing me... checking multiple times daily to see real-world performance difference with the M4 max. I can get a M3 Max 16" 16 Core, 40 GPU, 48GB, 1TB for $2699. Huge savings over the M4 Max. Just wish it had the nano texture display

[@ArtIsRight]

video are out! kzbin.info/aero/PLjlr8rlxl_q4aVEJ3WD5lXBZJoEe_t_hS

[@arvidjohansson3120]

I would be interested in seeing some minimal testing, if possible, how Pixelmator pro compares in speed to CaptureOne and lightroom. Given that Apple will soon own the company it might be interesting to see how the speed changes over time compared to the competitors. None the less I am looking forward to seeing the results from the test you have already planned/performed. My current laptop only works connected to mains power. So it is time for an upgrade.

[@ArtIsRight]

I need to look into Pixelmator more, the thing is that I don’t have automated script for those or a benchmark app such as Puget, it makes it difficult to test program like these. But I’ll take this into consideration

yes i'm interested in your live vídeo!

[@ArtIsRight]

I’ll see what I can do :)

[@randomcomentator]

Great! I love the addition of the PC, but I think you should also try a PC with NVIDIA 4090RTX since it's the industry standard.

[@ArtIsRight]

Don’t have one of those in the studio, so I am limited there

[@randomcomentator]

@ Ooh, too bad :( If you could test OpenCL in Geekbench 6, that would be great for an easy comparison with my PC.

[@nataliet124]

Do you think mbp 14” m4 with higher ram vs mbp 14” m4 pro chips with lesser ram, which would be better for multitasking and heavy lightroom editting? Thank you

[@ArtIsRight]

No you lack the cores CPU and GPU, it won't help in most, only task that uses RAM may see some benefit

[@JUANRODRIGUEZ-tl4uh]

I’m a little bad at these topics but should I regret having bought the M3 Pro11 Core? I see that the M4 Pro even has more RAM 😢😢

[@ArtIsRight]

naw

[@EverythingCameFromNothing]

I think you’ve got overlapping sound around the 2:40 mark

[@ArtIsRight]

thank you, I’ll look into:)

[@edwinelmer5606]

👍👍👍

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you!

[@67er]

9:25 just noticed You are showing the Alienware M18 not the Razor Blade 😅

[@ArtIsRight]

Nope got an upgrade to my pc reference machine

[@janplexy]

Please I need advice, should I go with the M4/32GB/512GB or M4 PRO/24GB/512GB for Lightroom, Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effects, Premiere, FCPX... Is it better to go with PRO chip or more RAM. Thank you.

[@ArtIsRight]

Minimum Pro SoC

[@JuhaNyman]

SSD Performance? It looks like there's 2x performance difference between Base M4 and M4 pro chips. Curious especially about 1TB SSD.

[@ArtIsRight]

I see some have already tested that already :)

[@JuhaNyman]

​@@ArtIsRight there were some tests with different sizes but not 1TB Base M4 vs 1TB M4 Pro I could find.

[@SathishKumar-py5wr]

Can to put the performance difference between each varient of m4 like 8c/8c in imac, 9c/ 10c in ipad pro and 10c/10c in ipad pro and all other macs (mac mini and macbook pro) please 🥺

[@ArtIsRight]

You are not going to see an iPad Pro test, at least not from me. It is not what I would consider a same category of device. Core variations wise, the difference is small

[@robertrakowicz9666]

I would like to see how an M4 Pro mini performs against the M2 Max Studio and M4 Max MBP. For me personalty are only Capture One/ Lightroom and Topaz/ DxO (denoising) interesting. No Video features.

[@ArtIsRight]

Video is out kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGnOfoyom8-Jfck

[@RogerZoul]

An occasional "live" would be nice. Thanks.

[@ArtIsRight]

Thank you for the feed back

[@lol-di3tf]

I believe you should start testing Windows PC so that we can compare with Macs.

[@ArtIsRight]

Have on Alienware M18, unless manufacture send them to me, I just simply cannot afford all of them

[@youknowwho9247]

Why not throw a similarly priced desktop PC into the mix for testing? Feels a bit like you're trying to hide how overpriced apple products are.

[@ArtIsRight]

not trying to hide anything, but I am not going to buy one either.

[@kkenobi]

Lol held up an Alienware and called it a razer blade. And apparently no one else noticed?

[@ArtIsRight]

Mind gap there, oh well, someone else did notice.

[@marianilie7321]

just the results please

[@ArtIsRight]

Format will remain the same as in previous years