Changing my Rover 420 timing belt...Does my car still run?

[@lloydvehicleconsulting]

Thank you for allowing me to drive your 420 once again, sir! As you say, the video should be up on the channel next week, it is all ready to go. It's a really nice car to drive.

[@SJR-eb2wi]

Top tip from me. If you don’t have a locking tool on a twin cam, like the T series. I’ve found you can cable tie the pulley’s together through the spokes. With a combination of various well placed plastic cable ties you can lock things up enough to stop it moving. Once complete, just cut them off. They also work to hold the belt on the pulleys sometimes when you need 3 hands.

[@furiousdriving]

That’s actually genius, as all the mist simple ideas are

[@SJR-eb2wi]

@@furiousdriving pleased you appreciate my engineering expertise.

[@GentilsGarage]

That’s amazing, great tip!

[@SJR-eb2wi]

@@GentilsGarage thanks

[@Ribeirasacra]

On CarSOS Fuzz cut half of the width of the old cam belt all away round and pull that away then slip on the new belt so the cogs haven't moved and slide the new belt across. cutting of the remains of the old belt after.

[@nickhaag7803]

Treat yourself to a Milwaukie right angle 3/8'' impact wrench for Christmas. I recently got one and wish I got it years ago, it saves loads of time and is great in tight spaces.

[@neilwalsh4058]

Brilliant job Matt , that went pretty well apart from the odd seized bolt and I bet you're less worried now you have a new timing belt on. Really refreshing to watch your channel, never moaning , doing most of it yourself , positive outlook even when stuffs trying your patience and not a bucketfull of your personal life thrown in. Other similar KZbinrs would do well to follow your example

[@Mudster250]

Done a few cambelts and I still get that feeling of doom as I turn the starter! 😁 Nice job 👍

[@Peterpss]

This reminded me of the time I replaced the cam belt on my 1997 Rover 214Si. I have a terrible memory of both cams moving and spending ages checking everything was back in the correct position. Even after cranking the engine round by hand, I was nervous about turning the key. Thankfully it all turned out ok! 🙂

[@scottishcarenthusiastsandtrain]

Great little tinkering video Matt, that will keep the Tourer running sweetly for many years to come, hard to beleive so much has to be undone just to change the belt through!

[@T16MGJ]

Sykes-Pickavant do a fine Camshaft Pulley Locking Tool for the Rover T-Series. Bought soon after getting the first of many Rover 620ti about twenty years ago. After doing the first of several T-Series Timing Belt renewals, managed to do rather more without the locking tool. That having self taught the "how to". How very annoying and time consuming for you me and many others working on used cars. Here I have in mind those various 10mm Bolts Securing the Timing Belt Covers showing clear evidence of being over tightened by whoever worked on this engine last. All to frequent over tightening fasteners even in well run pro-workshops strips threads or rounds nuts and bolt head flats or in the case of those T-Series Plastic Covers, strip out the threaded female captive fastener within the inner Timing Belt Covers. Lost count of the times I encountered that problem. Adding much time to a few minutes job, Power tool over use often guilty here or give it and extra turn for luck!. I was expecting you to have difficulty with that 19mm CRANKshaft Pully Bolt. They are often overtightened due to heavy handed power tool use. Two very important pointers to stress. Not just for the T-Series but most maybe all engines. NEVER forget to remove that rod locking the flywheel before attempting to start the engine after job done. Prior to this, ideally with Spark Plugs removed, rotate the engine manually using that 19mm CRANKshaft Pully Bolt at least two complete four stroke cycles checking and listening for any metal-to-metal contact noises. Then check the IN and EX indexes on the CAMshaft Pullys are still aligned. I use a trusty Steel Ruler;'s dtraight edge to do this. Amazing the number of times having done all this you are "one tooth out". To avoid or reduce the chances of "one tooth out", always ensure the longest straight run of the Belt, that from the Exhaust Camshaft Pully to the one on the Crankshaft is taught. That also will help fitting the belt around the rest of its run. Only then think about reconnecting battery and staring the engine. Great engines the T-Series in all its forms. My son's Rover 620ti with its T-Series Turbocharged now showing 240,000 miles last time I drove. He has had for closing on twenty years. Was his daily driver work transport as he travels much for his job. Been all over the EU mainland in it. Snowboarding in Norway, touring the alps and even done a lap of the Nürburgring in it loaded with holiday clobber and three mates as passengers.

[@mrcogginsgarage7062]

Matt when you next do a timing belt replacement, take the spark plugs out a couple of turns on each cylinder just to make turning the engine over by hand easier ,but well done for doing the job under difficult circumstances don't forget to check the tension on the new belt after it's been run up to operating temperature Cheers Reuben.

[@pauldavies6037]

Yes to reduce the compression

[@iboswell]

Good job. I always mark the pulleys and old belt with white paint and do the same to the new one too. It helps with confidence levels immensely and better still you ask someone else to confirm that things are matched up... Helpful it it's their car and you're doing it as a favour etc.

[@claytonhayward5815]

Really helpful video, Matt. Something that I need to do on my T-series 420 SLi, but keep putting it off with ever increasingly feeble excuses. If I keep this video on repeat play it may give me the impetus I need to actually do it. Job well done, sir, warts an' all (crusty bolts an' all).

[@furiousdriving]

the rusty bolts and failed captive nuts are the worst bit. As long as nothing moves (and you check it hasn't) it should be fine

[@SmashingPistons]

My new favourite car of the fleet! I'm obsessed with getting myself an estate atm. Now winters starting to set in I might be adding more 'workshop' videos to my channel working on the MGTF.

[@lesklower7281]

You looked pleased after all that work your red Rover started from memory l have owned one vehicle with a cam belt and had it changed once

[@TheRonburgandy]

Congratulations on a successful cambelt change! Giving me the confidence to try my own. Oh loving my large capacity furious driving mug - it’s the dream tea mug👍🏻

[@iainmacleod4007]

Nice to have met you at the NEC, like yourself I have always admired the RoverP6, although the Mark 2 Jaguar and my mothers MGBGT run it a close second and third. These Rovers were everywhere ten years ago but very few left now as the spares availability diminishes. The Gates timing belts are made in Dumfries in Southern Scotland where I now live.

[@paultaylor9652]

Lovely Jubbly Matt, well done on changing the belts, I've seen other cars way more complicated to do.

[@dainsmart6237]

Enjoyed this episode every thing has gone ok tonight thanks, timing belts scare the 💩 out of me especially if it is an interference engine,Great video Mat looking forward to Moore 😀👍🏻☕

[@gazonatrike7005]

I remember this job on my 820, couldn't get it through the emissions after and took it to a Rover dealership who recommended scrapping it and a tuning place who couldn't solve it. 4 months of being parked up and a fresh look revealed it was one notch out, simple but frustrating.

[@user-blaster_2012]

Back in 2011 i had my H reg Rover 214 Si cam belt changed, cost me about £150 parts and labour. That car cost me £250 with tax and MOT. Halcyon days...

[@maxidyne]

Nice job Matt! Lot's of good tips from viewers for the next time you change a timingbelt. Can be a pain sometimes, remember certain cars I serviced as a mechanic was a day of work to change the belt.

[@Zeem4]

Reminds me of the one and only time I changed a timing belt, on my Renault Grand Scénic. There were two nerve-wracking moments - the first was removing the old belt, which is the point of no return. Up to that point, if I'd bottled it I could have just put it back together and got someone else to do it, but after that I'd got no choice but to proceed. The second, of course, is starting the engine back up and hoping it's not accompanied by the sound of pistons hitting valves. I did the job ultra-carefully in stages over the course of three days to make sure I didn't make a mistake. I even bought a mini torque wrench for installing the new water pump exactly as the book said. A mechanic friend took the piss out of that because he said he'd just do it by feel, but the water pump is the first thing to go back on, buried underneath everything else, and I absolutely did not want it to leak meaning I'd have to take it all apart again.

[@eclectarama]

I also replaced a belt for a Grand Scenic. The feeling of trepidation I felt was not helped by the fact that the last person in there had refitted the exhaust cam sprocket 180 degrees out, meaning that the markings were incorrect. Much head-scratching and mild swearing later, all was well...

[@Zeem4]

@@eclectarama Haha! Mine's a K4M engine which has no timing marks - only, I had the problem where the cam locking tool wouldn't fit because the inlet cam was one tooth out, so I had to deviate from the procedure in the book which terrified me. I had images in my head of it exploding with a twang, like taking a watch apart without winding the mainspring down first. I was also a bit worried by the idler pulley bolt on which a previous person had chewed up the head by using the wrong Torx bit. Oddly enough, I have the correct T-50 bit which I'd bought 20 years previously to remove the seatbelts from an Austin Maestro, and never used again until that moment, and I've never used it since.

[@eclectarama]

@@Zeem4 sounds as if we had very similar experiences, Alex. I was intrigued by your watch analogy - I repair old watches and ‘got’ the analogy immediately. 😀

[@usuallyfixingtinkering]

The T-series is a marvelous engine this is one keeper being such a rare car. At least with this timing belt unlike a K-series your not dealing with a lower timing cover bolt that you can barely get to which takes half a year of 1/8th turns of the ratchet spanner!

[@frothe42]

Nice job! Maybe you can do the paintwork next year; maybe a portable paint booth, paint with a paint gun off a portable compressor or possibly spray can paint.

[@BobM925]

Changed the belt on my car earlier in the year - a diesel. I hadn't noticed the crank pulley had moved one tooth, as the "locking pin" (a locating pin really) is a rubbish design and was tricky to fully seat in the flywheel... The other pins in cam and injector pump pulleys were all good, and went back where they came from after a few rotations. Started the engine and it rattled like it was coming apart and the exhaust flooded the drive with a cloud of white smoke. Oh was my face red! Happily when re-timed it ran fine. Easy mistake, which on some engines would be a costly one I imagine.

[@furiousdriving]

Lucky that was a non interference motor!

[@BobM925]

@@furiousdriving it isn't! Another tooth out it and it would've been crunch-bang I think. Well it doesn't bear thinking about really!

[@repairupdaterepeat5815]

09:47 "beebeeseeeee raaaaaadioooo tooooooooo"

[@furiousdriving]

Pop master ready

[@repairupdaterepeat5815]

@@furiousdriving it's a duty! I'm going to be goosed when he retires and they replace him with someone rubbish like Zane Lowe or h from steps

[@JamesG75]

Always enjoy a Tourer video. This and the Crown Vic are my favourite cars on the fleet

[@SimpsonsClassics]

Got to love a stubborn nut! Nice work getting it all sorted.

[@chrisbury4635]

Would of been a wise idea to change the front crank seal going off all of the oil in that area ? And if you lock the flywheel then you can tighten the crank pulley bolt TAF 😁

[@mikeburnitt403]

Excellent job as always, but please invest in a short extension for the socket set, it makes things so much easier if you have an inch or two (25 or 50 euromeasurements) clearance.

[@christopherneale13]

Good for you giving it a go once you've fitted a belt turn it over like you did an make sure your timing marks line up, and any locking tools then you can be 100% confident it's in time Ace job tho

[@brunocalico]

That’s really something to be furious. Best of luck.

[@shakman877]

Good work Matt. You need to get a bigger battery for your impact wrench so it has enough power to get those tight bolts off. Get a 4.0Ah or 5.0Ah battery and you'll find it will have sufficient torque to get those bolts off. The 2.0Ah batteries generally don'yhave enough power and will go flat quickly.

[@Andy-eo3mq]

It's great to see the Tourer getting some love. 🙂 Have you ever browsed the ROVR channel on here Matt? I reckon you'd find a lot of the videos on it quite interesting. 🙂

[@pauldavies6037]

What a job single handed Matt well done trouble is on older cars all the bolts rust up or seize up completely

[@PaddyWV]

That all came together so quickly, I thought the film had jumped! Brilliant. I thought the Tomcat had it's own cosy home. What did I miss? 🙂

[@alansimpson835]

Ah "You put a crimp in my pinchweld". One of my favourite country love songs

[@michaelstamper5604]

Nice to see the tourer (Terry? Maybe?) getting some love. Glad I was watching rather than doing, mind you. As so often, it's not so much the job itself, it's all the fiddle and faffery before and after that would get on my........erm.....nerves.

[@terrortorn]

Full marks for getting stuck into some difficult repairs but the more space you seem to have to store your cars the less space you have to work on them.

[@kevinnye5132]

You had me enthralled Matt at saying “ drove the car in DIAGONALLY“ congratulations on a job well done and all 9 fingers safe and only minor burns to 1 thumb 😂, impressive or what 😉.

[@furiousdriving]

I could only picture Mrs Doyle and her plate of sandwiches after I said it! Only I can get burns from a cold engine..

[@kevinnye5132]

@@furiousdriving 😂

[@itscraigyinni4844]

Pop a screw driver between the calliper and carrier into the vented part of the front disc and this will do the same job as someone putting the brake on for you.

[@furiousdriving]

good idea

[@GentilsGarage]

Excellent job Matt, great to watch.

[@VDPEFi]

I'm sure you've seen whatever might be relevant but the excellent Rovr channel has various workshop vids on this era of Rover etc. It's always a slight nerve jangler that first start up no matter how many you've done, or is that just me lol

[@furiousdriving]

I might have seen a couple of those but wasnt subscribed until now

[@motocrossedful]

Our ski areas are opening this weekend

[@CauliflowerMcPugg]

Nice Job👍 tinkering would not be tinkering without a little frustration.

[@furiousdriving]

Very true!

[@pauljohnson4871]

I’ve always be scared to do a cam belt as it’s too easy to get wrong

[@Bratfalken]

Time to get a garage-van to store all tools inside, everything with you when you visit the garages!

[@furiousdriving]

A lot of the basics are there now, always satisfying to buy tools!

[@888johnmac]

lol , my garage-van / mobile tool storage is my Freelander 1 ( 3 door which hasn't had the rear seats up in years )

[@havingalook.]

People really store tools in vehicles? I live in an area where I've left my windows down or van unlocked overnight and not a problem (its always empty) but who leaves their tools in a van then gets them stolen I wouldn't say deserves it

[@seanwallace1972]

Your Barn where this river is stored is it your own barn or do you share it,it looks an impressive size

[@rscosworth15]

As jeremy clarkson once said how hard can it be 🤣🤣

[@williamwales6619]

Great Job, Happy days BUT that engine leak is annoying me so it must be annoying you. Looks pretty messy. Thanks for vid🙂

[@furiousdriving]

It's going to be a pain to fix. Lets ignore it...

[@motocrossedful]

we are in "snow" season, no rain

[@fhwolthuis]

Super job, Matt! 💪🏻😀

[@jo_clarke1960]

Ain't watched yet but, I'm gonna guess you didn't fail. Turns out I was right. Good to see I'm not the only one who's mind "Takes a break" on times, meaning things get forgotten.

[@danpullin6610]

Matt, Chicken & Mushroom Pot Noodle Perfect Garage Lunch time meal, . quick n easy

[@tonys1636]

Yea, a job that went according to plan, almost. The most important tool is the mug of tea/coffee.

[@seanwallace1972]

That 1/2inch impact gun you use,is it any good?

[@roygardiner2229]

Good work!

[@ianjenkins4641]

All good fun. Looked like you turned the engine over backwards?

[@tehklevster]

This feels like time for us to crowd-fund you a Bendpak 🙂

[@dirk9379]

Well done, you gained a new subscriber.

[@leeallen1407]

My 1999 W202 has cost me £45 in seven months.....but...it's going to cost a lot more in the next few months..The wiper motor is on it's way out, The headlight switch came off in my hand yesterday she needs a service and i have a clack clack clack sound coming from the rear when i turn left.........

[@furiousdriving]

uh-oh

[@simonhodgetts6530]

Top notch tinkering! Very entertaining…… 😊

[@richardbartholomew7924]

Love watching your videos mate your the best mate I love the Volvo and mercedes mate I like watching this project rover

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

I need to do that job on my Hyundai Trajet. I did it eight years ago and it was a pain because the cams spring out of position

[@furiousdriving]

Too late for that, it would just trap corrosion so it needs a proper job

[@mecuscan1734]

"I hope this is not a taste of things to come" Narrator: "It was a taste of things to come....." 😃

[@furiousdriving]

In ROn Howard's voice

[@MrTimcoronel]

is that an old New South Wales yellow numberplate on the wall?

[@richardjohnson3463]

Well done that man!! 👍

[@andystephenson7157]

using extension bars on impact wrenches reduces torque a lot.

[@furiousdriving]

True but cant always get it any closer

[@agustinmuniz6617]

Hi, how are you ? Could you tell me what size the alternator belt is?

[@furiousdriving]

I dont remember but if you go to a good motor factors they will have the details from the registration number

[@bojo4558]

Buy the rad dude ❤

[@darrenwilson8042]

If its sunny - PMSL - dream on Matt and keep the undercover jobs coming ...........

[@jamieeedden777]

Honest opinion do you think I'm mad turning one of these down and a Porsche boxster and instead going for a heavily modified Volvo 240 ?

[@furiousdriving]

No, do what sounds most fun. The Volvo will be a hoot, but the Porsche will be worth far more quite soon

[@jamieeedden777]

@@furiousdriving think if I save enough for car 2 some day the boxster will be the way to go for something like a summer or weekend car but the 240 I think for 2 grand is a steal it's rust free never needed to be or has been welded on and it's an estate so be super handy for my bikes down side is it's a lefthand drive but I've driven a left hooker before and I was fine I pick the car up tomorrow I'm quite excited as I've been without a car sence I turned 26 in July been taking buss and train and where I live Leamington spa it's horrible to take a train or buss plan is when I pick the car up throw my bsa push bike in the back and mabey one old 1940.s raeligh if both fit and drive somewhere nice hopefully the weather allows for that

[@stanelder9995]

Hope my views contribute to your decision to buy the radiator! 👍👍

[@Stevieweevietv]

Good work that man! 👏 😁

[@furiousdriving]

Thanks! 😁

[@patrickhostler5939]

Where are the details of the Amazon store please… I can’t find it…😢

[@furiousdriving]

www.amazon.co.uk/shop/furiousdriving - just a couple of lines down in the description

[@35dononeill]

You're brave to change the timing belt.

[@DashCamSerbia]

Maybe Murphy is on the sick leave? :p

[@jasoncornell1579]

Did u use the tea shelf?

[@furiousdriving]

Tea engine

[@begachka]

Oh Mr Furious you really do tempt fate by saying things like 'that was easy' - is this to wind up the viewers? It's good to be positive and optimistic, surely rejoicing is best left to beer time...

[@TK42138]

👏👏👏

[@jimmyquinn9639]

Lovely job 🚗🚙🚘⭐️⭐️⭐️👍👍👍👍

[@adrianrowden8266]

I said before, you should call it Tourantino.

[@nicklaing656]

what exactly is a Newton Metre?

[@nekite1]

Basically, it is a standard measure of torque (in this case how much a bolt has to be tightened). For a fuller explanation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton-metre

[@bikeman123]

You have KZbin but not google?

[@craighorton6387]

You should do it like fuzz townsend did it on car sos

[@furiousdriving]

With flair and panache? Thats Fuzz's usual way of doing things 🤣

[@craighorton6387]

@@furiousdriving he cut half the belt off all way round pulled it off ,then put the new belt on then just cut the remaining bit of the old belt off job done genius

[@furiousdriving]

@@craighorton6387 I’ve seen that done before, love the idea but it’s quite hard to get all the way around with a knife

[@craighorton6387]

@@furiousdriving he kept turning with the crank bolt,then locked it in TDC

[@Roverturbo]

Water pump runs off back of pas pump.

[@WestYorkshireGuy1]

I've found the Draper gun to be rubbish. It doesn't have enough torque. Wish I had invested in a Fuel one tbh.

[@nigelrudd670]

It's a Rover 😢🤓👍

[@smoothmicra]

Changing the timing belt, on the surface sounds like a 5 minute job. Such a faff, especially on an old car with rusty bolts. Maybe the rise of the EVs (sponsored by Skynet 😨) is not such a bad thing after all, where fiddly time consuming jobs like this will be a distant memory. In other news, I am not sure you have the "click bait" thing nailed down yet. "Did I ruin the car?". First picture is you looking triumphant holding an old timing belt aloft. So, no you didn't, reveal was first five seconds in! 😁

[@jusb1066]

Did you forget the water pump

[@tides2002]

The pump is on the other end of the engine

[@jusb1066]

@@tides2002 expecting it to be part of the timing belt job, the timing belt running the pump

[@furiousdriving]

T Series are odd..

[@delukxy]

It's on the other end of the engine so a separate job. Not driven by the timing belt as they often are. This was all explained at the start of the video.

[@petermason1747]

@@delukxy its not on other side its on same side just not driven off timing belt

[@michaelstaunton1632]

👍👍👍

[@kevincahill1204]

V8 rover 🙏🏻

[@Simon-ui6db]

At least it's not a kv6 your changing the belts on . Yikes.

[@furiousdriving]

No, don’t fancy that!

[@phil7301]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👍

[@havingalook.]

What a great advert for diamond Brite with the worst lacquer peel I've ever seen - good luck with the promotions, will it be artificial grass on a roll next week?

[@curtis8516]

I fully support the channel and watch all adverts, but I got 8 in the space of 10 minutes. Are KZbin being dicks again Matt?

[@billgriffiths1685]

Yipee I'm 651st today.

[@charliecoco2115]

Just a cotton pickin' moment, did I miss you replace the water pump you were supposed to fit?

[@TheShinyShow]

You missed him say it was on the other side of the engine so he'll do it another time

[@furiousdriving]

What he said, T series are odd

[@petermason1747]

@@TheShinyShow its not on tother side its near the alternator you can see the water hose come off it

[@CUSTODIAN70]

Hi,Matt.Good job replacing the drive belt.Getting these pulleys off can very well be a royal pain in the ass.In case you want to clean all that sludge around the oil filter,you can use WD-40 and then contact cleaner spray or brake cleaner.Just make sure you get a drip pan underneath,or the outcome will stain everything for life...Untill next time,take care yourself.

[@dainsmart6237]

If you leave in the allen key can you torque the krank pulley To the correct torque tightness then pull out the key?

[@CUSTODIAN70]

@@dainsmart6237 It depends of what the Engine manual says.I would guess that some kind of special tool is needed to hold the AFFECTED pulley locked and then torqued,otherwise,there is the risk of damage to the rest of the drive gears,due to the amount of torque applied (I think Matt said 400 lbs,inch-pounds,foot-pounds,he didn't specify) .That is if you want to be on the safe side.

[@cappaculla]

Well done 👍