Scotland could become first UK nation to legalise assisted dying

[@williamhoffman4337]

We still waiting for assisted living here

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

It's her life, it should be her choice and medical assistance should be available to avoid further pain and suffering.

[@lolazal1]

Dear Scotland Be careful what you wish for... Find out how far Canada is taking this law...

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

Not true you do not know us and what the ppl want ,this is not Canada

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

Look at the poll?

[@BigBoiiLeem]

Canada isn't even close to the most permissive country when it comes to MAID. More to the point, they have robust legal safeguards in place.

[@morganyu3838]

@BigBoiiLeem There are some horror stories coming out of Canada about this topic.

[@BigBoiiLeem]

@morganyu3838 don't just say that. Either bring the receipts, or don't expect me to believe you, because I won't. Remember: anecdotal evidence does not support legislative action, so your proof better be definitive

[@pachelbel1001]

I hope it goes through and I hope England follow!!

[@kevj989]

First recent policy the people of scotland could actually get behind, refreshing to hear about something other than hate crimes

[@emom358]

How does Switzerland do it? I haven't heard any complaints about this from there.

[@Blerghaa]

Switzerland isn't run by lunatics that want to try and shove every experimental american political trend they actually care about the welfare of their people, look to canada as to why this is horrendous in a country like this shithole it's a slippery slope of helping the most suffering people to offering suicide because you can't pay your debts and its depressing you.

[@nicholassutton9192]

They don’t, or at least active assistance in euthanasia is a crime. Prescribing the drugs to assist the sufferers is, however, legal.

[@louisejackson8770]

The funny thing is that you get prosecuted if you allow an animal to suffer. And yet, many are saying we should suffer ourselves. Having sat and watched my mum die, then 12 months later, I'm doing it again with my dad. I know for a fact they wouldn't have wanted us to see them in such a state. And I've told my children that if ever i get an incurable, painful condition that will kill me in a matter of months, i will end my own life just so they don't have to see me suffer. Theres ALOT that they need to put in place to ensure the vulnerable are not pressured into this. But im sure there are plenty out there who would rather go out on their terms.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Strange, because humans meet every definition of being an animal.

[@NineLivesburra]

I understand your perspective and I can see the pain involved in watching your elderly parents dying. I also appreciate your thoughts in asking for guarantees that no-one willed be forced into this in any way. There are ways people could be ‘encouraged’ to accept this including reducing care or medications to make a person comfortable and this could easily be seen by the powers that be as a way to ‘encourage’ people to agree to euthanasia. The problem I have is that there will never be a guarantee for all time. It all depends on which government comes into power at a given time. Eugenics has been around a very long time. I feel for you in your position and will support your right to say what you feel is right, just as I would anyone.

[@combrogi]

Isn't it everyone's right to decide when they want to go with dignity when they're mentally stable and terminally ill.

[@nota77thbot48]

So stupid, it's a slippery slope. It will be used on curable illnesses and instead of treating an illness because it's costly they will just recommend MAID.... PTSD from rape, war or any traumatic experience? Have you tried death? Are you poor and can't afford to live? Well have you tried DEATH?

[@nota77thbot48]

You got PTSD? well have you tried death? Are you poor? Well have you tried death?

[@nota77thbot48]

Have you got PTSD? Try maid. Are you poor? Try maid.

[@nota77thbot48]

Got trauma? Try maid! Are you poor? Try maid!

[@JamieTwells]

​@@nota77thbot48"No thanks" comes the response. "ok, that's fine" the doctors reply. In the UK "Please, every day is agony, can I die peacefully?" "No, you must suffer for as long as you can" Wow, how scary it must be to have the freedom to choose!

[@paulwilliamford6789]

Why did he bring that up regarding DNR, that's a whole different conversation, the two things are not linked.

[@dmthandmade5674]

Changed my mind on this completely. The way it is operating in Canada is disgraceful.

[@Zarken26]

Same, I used to support the idea of assisted dying but seeing just how dystopian it has been in Canada has been a massive wake up call.

[@penguinchilli6244]

​@@Zarken26 How has it been in Canada? I didn't even know it was possible there

[@Zarken26]

@@penguinchilli6244 The Canadian government legalised medically assisted dying in 2016. Since then it's been a bit of a horror show, where their state run healthcare service routinely pushes assisted dying on to vulnerable patients with long term conditions instead of trying to treat them, because it's the cheaper option... Do some searches on KZbin, I am sure you will find videos of people talking about why its gone so dystopian in Canada & should be a warning for anyone wanting an authoritarian nanny state to have that power.

[@chrisj2502]

A lot is going wrong in Canada.

[@PamelaGreen354]

Exactly, Once it’s made Law , you have handed them your life to choose when you die whether you are young , old handicapped , They do say they want to depopulate!! What a better way to do it…This is not just for Old People and people need to remove those Rose tinted glasses.. Government do not give a toss about us …evil agenda?

[@Jonas-sw8mj]

Great, give people agency over their lives. Live forever if you like and let me choose my own ending. Its not like they can prevent people anyway. Living with a terrible disease can be much worse than death.

[@Elderly-Marian-in-UK]

I support the right to die. Especually for elderly or sick people who've had enough and are in pain. Its a better choice than suicide or a life of suffering and torment.

[@stephenpaulwilson]

The culture of death is sickening 😢

[@Wintermute9366]

Death is an inevitable conclusion to life. We should have the right to choose how we meet it ourselves.

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

Born to die eh ! Not everyone dies in their sleep peacefully ,monsters

[@bluewinterwolf]

Everyone has the right to live, but when living is no longer an option, when your quality of life is nearly 0 because of physical illnesses, you should have the right to end your suffering on your own terms. People shouldn't be forced to exist with no quality of life just to suffer in agony and die in the end anyway, just because of laws and opinions made by people who will never have to make that decision because they don't have a medical condition that forces them to make that decision.

[@TC8787-yq7og]

Imagine having chronic depression and suicidal thoughts for 30+ years but you have to stay alive because some random guy on KZbin thinks it’s wrong. Who are you to make decisions for others?

[@bonniewhite8093]

​@@bluewinterwolfwell said!

[@zoeyreynolds9679]

One way to yo get nhs waiting lists down.

[@theladyfemi]

Slippery slope Look at Canada 🇨🇦 Next thing you know poor people will be ‘offered’ this routinely

[@lukemurray4950]

I was one of those people who laughed at the idea of the slippery slope on this issue but I was proven wrong.

[@levi5073]

@@lukemurray4950 You should still laugh at it. Almost every extension of freedom or permission comes with risks and compromises. The fact that one country takes things too far isn't indicative that the idea is bad in principle . We can learn from Canada's mistakes, and make our own system with sufficient safeguards that both enable dignity for the terminally sick AND the protection of the mentally and financially vulnerable. Simply appealing to the potential "slippery slope" is a lazy and pessimistic approach to a very complex and important ethical question.

[@lukemurray4950]

@@levi5073 Yes it is Because the west is basically one entity. When one does something it spreads. Also the doubters called this long before it actually happened!

[@mathudeano145]

@@levi5073Absolute nonsense! Everywhere ‘assisted dying’ is legal it is being used to kill people who shouldn’t be. The Netherlands and Canada have already euthanised people with mental health conditions. People who genuinely want to end themselves will, those who can’t don’t want to die they want their lives to improve. Stop advocating for essentially the murder of the vulnerable.

[@saxoncelt3307]

​@@levi5073 you must live in rainbow land. This will clearly be used to kill as many people as possible and it will keep getting broader and broader application until the day they can decide for you because you cause too much global warming or they don't like your political positions. 😂

[@mobilephil244]

But my religious belief is MUCH more important then your right not to endure an agonising and protracted death so I'm going to spend my (healthy) days dreaming up reasons to block this law.

[@aclark903]

What right?

[@danjames4086]

​@@aclark903 Human rights. We have the right not to endure inhuman or degrading tretment. So one could argue that this doesn't have to be at the hands of another person...itcouod be a terninal illness that is causing thevictim to be degraded.

[@aclark903]

@@danjames4086 First of all, just as in capital punishment cases guilt is sometimes mistaken, so in euthanasia cases Drs make mistakes- they tell people they will die in 6 months yet those people go on to live another couple of decades..

[@paulwilliamford6789]

That poor woman, no one should suffer like that ever, I truly believe that she should be able to leave here on her own terms, I stand with you Darlin.

[@apollonia6656]

@paulwilliamsford, With all due respect, what is stopping her taking her own life ?

[@levi5073]

If you don't like assisted dying, then don't die with assistance. You are free to live in agonising pain for as long as you want. You have nothing to do with a voluntary contract between myself and a medical professional pertaining to MY body and MY life. Mind your own business.

[@terike9738]

💯💯💯

[@danjames4086]

Beautifully put. It's like organ donation...you can choose to opt out.

[@BillBally]

I am from the UK and have lived in Canada for over 40 years. In my case I live with multiple conditions one of which requires medication which costs the government $6,000 every 8 weeks. Half of my colon has been removed. I am in pain frequently. I have kidney failure and I am over 70 years of age. No medical or government official has ever suggested I think about ending my life. It is up to the individual to request it. I fully support this choice given to people in Canada since 2016.

[@streetinscotland1225]

Free prescriptions, free university places for students living in Scotland for longer than three years and now potentially this. Scotland is a very progressive nation.

[@jamiemcphillips335]

@@Matthew_Ssali Literally isn't true. Look up the barnett formula. And it's what you lot get for voting tory. Also if we cost more than bring, isn't that more reason for us to go independent?

[@Ralphsmaster]

First free sanitary products for menstruation in public places

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

​@Matthew_Ssali no its not wheres your proof xenophobic ?

[@communismwillbeeradicated.6128]

also scotland is going downhill, everything is failing faster than other uk nations, others arent doing so well but theres something all 4 nations have in common and thats they are all socialist. tories have been far more left than any labour government its a joke!

[@CreativeCache101]

TOO progressive, were getting the new thought crime patch next😐

[@andrewhewson62]

People have always had to power to choose, it's called free will. You put that power in another's hand through the dark laws of the system, the system will use it for it's own purpose. Do not be betrayed by the spell binding words of the system and it's accomplishes.......

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Please demonstrate 'free will' exists.

[@andrewhewson62]

You have just demonstrated it with your reply​@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

@@andrewhewson62 That proves you don't understand "free will." What I wrote could equally be the result of determinism, some combination of the two or something that nobody has thought of yet. To prove "free will" (or determinism) exists you would need to go back in time, replay the same phenomenon with no knowledge of the future and see if something different happened - then do it again and again to see if the decision varies or not. Even then that wouldn't categorically prove free will exists, or not, only a statistical probability. Though it could potentially disprove absolute determinism. You cannot prove "free will" exists. Try engaging you brain before being so glib.

[@_Somsnosa_]

Yes we should have the power to choose, this law would give us the power to choose to die peacefully rather than live in constant pain. Committing suicide is very very difficult mentally and physically, it's not as easy as people think it is I agree that it can be problematic, people can be coerced into it and certain groups may be targeted and encouraged to make use of euthanasia etc but that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. There are surgeons and police officers that abuse their power but that doesn't mean we do away with them completely I really don't know what you mean. "we have the power to choose". Choose what? Life or death? You can't choose to easily off yourself, we don't even have easy access to guns in this country. Chances are you will attempt suicide only to end up suffering more and surviving with even more health issues. There have even been people that have survived a shotgun blast to the face and had to live with pain and disfigurement instead of being able to die in peace

[@neilarcher2551]

I'm positive the diagnosis im getting next week from hospital tests is multiple sclerosis so the sooner the UK has assisted dieing the better. I saw the horrific slow death of my sister trapped as a prisoner inside her own body for years. I'll be at the head of the queue at the first clinic even if i have to migrate to Scotland.

[@skinnytinny9023]

Assisted dying is nothing new. I was told that my Dad probably wouldn't last the day so I went to visit him in hospital that afternoon instead of the usual evening. He was unconscious so I just sat and held his hand. After a while I noticed the only tube attached to him was his bladder catheter, there was no intravenous drip, he was left to dehydrate to death.

[@shane1489]

Nah because in Canada you get this just because you’re sad. Thats where this will go.

[@Blackmark52]

"Thats where this will go" You aren't going to get to choose your death. Why do you want someone else to choose your options when your time comes? People that oppose this just assume they're never going to face the unbearable.

[@shane1489]

@@Blackmark52 Or people like you assume nobody else knows anything about the subject. Tell yourself whatever makes you feel better but if it doesn’t work then move to Canada so they can help you.

[@Blackmark52]

@@shane1489 "then move to Canada" I am Canadian. Do you really think you have a guaranteed pleasant death ahead of you? This right is your right too.

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

It's not Canada this is Scotland we don't think like Canadians,are the Swiss the same as Canada for that matter

[@Blackmark52]

@@toriesdontgettazered7464 "we don't think like Canadians" And Canadians don't think like the twit in the video that thinks being sad makes people suicidal.

[@SeanCanning-h5w]

Can you start with Parliament?

[@pholdway5801]

Start in early November...........

[@GillDundee]

I watched my dad suffer this option needs to be legal my dad would not have been able to agree to it , but others can . And the horrific tragedy he went through. One year later im still struggling with flashbacks of it all its left my head messed up

[@BigBoiiLeem]

To those co-opting the disabled community for these purposes: please don't. Because if you really cared about ableism and discrimination against disabled people, you'd know that we can both address the systemic cultural and societal inequities associated with disability *and* allow people who are terminally ill to have some dignity in their inevitable death. We don't have to pick one.

[@andrewharrison7767]

most types of disability wouldn't apply here - its only the final 6 months of a terminal, progressive illnesses, so at a stretch things like mnd or ms might apply, but the person must self administer the medication; so those conditions would need to be very fast progressing. There's also capacity checks which should protect people with extreme mental ill health, or learning disabilities - so coercion is much less likely

[@BigBoiiLeem]

@andrewharrison7767 Yes, I'm aware. Hence, my comment about not lumping disabled people in with the terminally ill

[@michellebooth327]

Andrew Harrison have you visited Canada lately?

[@liberality]

​@@andrewharrison7767 The standard way to change society is to start with the extreme cases and then generalise later. Hard cases make bad law.

[@liberality]

​@@BigBoiiLeem The definition of terminally ill is elastic, since we're all going to die. Disabled people are the primary target of the euthanasia lobby, since their care is the most expensive. 'Choice' is just the argument used to overcome ethical scruples, but we know people can be persuaded to make choices against their interests. Control over death is a transhumanist illusion.

[@Allyings]

Do not allow this if your in scotland, just look at canada it is sick.

[@levi5073]

Don't allow democracy in Scotland. Just look at 1930s Germany. Don't allow alcohol in your body. Just look at some other guy with alcoholism. Don't allow the internet. Just look at all the pornography. Don't allow free speech. Just look at all the awful things uttered.

[@BillBally]

Tell me what is "sick" about it?

[@Allyings]

say your nan leaves a stair lift, instead of making that happen for her they will offer her assisted suicide or nothing, you think that's acceptable?

[@Allyings]

your nan needs a stair lift*

[@BillBally]

@@Allyings I am over 70 years old. The government in Canada Pays $6,000 every 8 weeks for my medications. No medical or Government official as suggested "assisted suicide" to me as an alternative. Stop spouting lies.

[@marcushinton772]

Hasn't the SNP been doing this for years by ignoring the drug related deaths to focus on independence?

[@davie7967]

Unelected Humza now he wants to be God

[@Gambit771]

Clearly you don't know the politically system works in the UK. Let me guess, you watch so much murican media that you think you are there and how things work there is how they work in the UK.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

More likely, AmeriKKKan media, I feel.​@@Gambit771

[@MaxSteel13.17KIA]

@@Gambit771Humza is a P0S! Thinks he matters!

[@MadMadGruff]

Assisted murder they mean: Imagine all those elderly people approaching their twilight months/years feeling obliged to kill themselves because "They don't want to be a burden to family", "They want to leave a few quid for their funeral but are worried their savings are getting depleted on care", "They are felling depressed about their condition" and "Heartless or greedy family members are applying emotional pressure at the most vulnerable time to get them out the way". People should not feel pressurised into killing themselves because of a lack of care or money but that is EXACTLY what will happen. Governments will rub their hands with glee at the tax breaks they can offer their mates because of the money that can be saved from providing people with appropriate health services and care. If pain at end of life is the issue then fund better palliative care and research.

[@liberality]

It's not just the savings in health care. We know that the last few months of life are the most expensive, but think of the cumulative pension savings going forward.

[@MadMadGruff]

@@liberality Absolutely, even if they deny that those savings influence peoples conscious decisions it is an absolute certainty that they will be influenced unconsciously.

[@levi5073]

All you've done is provide a case for one side. What about the people who genuinely want to die because the pain is unbearable? What about the families who genuinely support their loved ones because they prioritise the suspension of pain over a life full of nothing but pain? There is potential corruption and abuse everywhere. The welfare system is abused by certain people, but that's not an argument to, in principle, blanket ban any welfare support.

[@mrday8005]

Scotland what have you become....

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

Says the guy with the large George's cross ,more england what have and your politician done scotland ? Halfwit comment!

[@jwalk6074]

All the publicity about this is biased, seems a political push not an ethical decision

[@Gambit771]

The people are for it, I wish the politicians and media would be as caring.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Please tell me something that isn't "biased". It's a mindless statement.

[@IngridLitman]

Scotland is lost look at the unelected leaders.

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

Examples

[@amoyjoyce1117]

You mean look at the leader . Muslims are not afraid to die but they are afraid of God and quite right too! Christian are afraid of dying but not afraid of God . How interesting!

[@selkieseal1177]

Getting support to the end isn't losing dignity. Please dont go down this route.

[@bereal6590]

That's how YOU feel, not how everyone else feels

[@levi5073]

You are free to continue getting pumped full of poison for the purpose of prolonging a life of constant pain for a few more weeks. Nobody is taking that right away from you. Why are you trying to take rights away from others?

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

How can you decide what is or isn't dignified for someone other than yourself??

[@amayastrata4629]

I don’t want support. I want to live my life the way I want to live it. If I can’t then I don’t want it. It’s up to me how I want to end my life. Legislation can ensure that there are safeguards in place. Some people want the support, want to last it out until they can go no further, often drug addled , incoherent, and unable to move or do anything without someone doing everything for them. If that’s what they want then fine. Up to them. Why are their choices respected but not mine? Why is their opinion more important to mine?

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

@@amayastrata4629 Well said!

[@maryziggy8802]

Well done Scotland, a country to be proud of

[@jaipennycuick7993]

You obviously don’t live here so you know nothing

[@michellebooth327]

And 17 people liked it? I despair sometimes.

[@ruthsutherland2573]

Yes and up to her. Not The STATE. NOT THE STATE. I'm sure its just because they care.

[@michellebooth327]

They obviously care so much🤣 ( sarcasm).

[@skycloud4802]

I think it's the right choice. I hope English and Welsh patients are not long behind.

[@ruthsutherland2573]

😂

[@michellebooth327]

I’d be careful what you wish for if I was you.

[@Noname-oo9gn]

This should not happen in any country but leave Wales alone, my daughter wants to take her life almost every single day because she is in so much emotional pain if this was an option she would take it and she is only 24😢

[@APsGTG]

@@Noname-oo9gnMay God heal your daughter in Jesus’ name. Please try to visit a church. I am praying for you and your family. ❤️✝️

[@DavidGetling]

I volunteer to assist Humza.

[@TheDarkerAges]

😂

[@MariaHamlyn]

It's murder if you ask me. What about the families who've lost someone through suicide, Hey? It's an insult and shouldn't be allowed. I lost my husband a couple of years ago, he had muscular dystrophy. I wasn't told it was *end. Of life for him, and I had to watch him die. I took care of him for years, and in the end he died. What would I give to see him again, Everything!! this is so wrong in every way. The ppl having treatment for a serious illness. It's disgusting.

[@AmieEss]

"But what about my feelings?!" It's really up to the person if they decide they don't want to live anymore. You might love someone but consider that they are consumed with agony. You need to accept that not even your devotion can stop their nerve endings making them feel like they're on fire.

[@terike9738]

You're irrational. Seek help and allow people to make their own decisions.

[@levi5073]

Nobody is forcing families to die. What you went through is terrible, and your care for your husband is admirable. However, some families want to relieve their loved ones from pain. If I was in chronic, untreatable pain, I would want to die. If someone in my family was in chronic pain and wanted to die, I would support them. There is no one fit solution for all people. Some people don't prioritize the preservation of life over the suspension of agonising pain.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Manifestly it isn't "murder" if it's made legal. Do try engaging that other brain cell every now and again.

[@NineLivesburra]

​@@levi5073I have constant untreatable pain too but I do not want to die. As things stand I am a drain on society in terms of not working due to medical conditions and pain, although there are things I can do but not at 32+ hours a week. Once this door is opened there is no going back and someday, irrespective of calls to the contrary today, a government could easily decide that all people who are disabled or unable to work or even those on unemployment benefits could be faced with mandatory euthanasia. There will be NO CHOICE in it then.

[@Benzknees]

I believe rolls of tape, barbecues & briquettes can be obtained at your local DIY stores.

[@Wintermute9366]

People are being forcer to endure pain & disability it would be inhumane to permit in loved pet cat or dog. We should all have the right to choose their own end.

[@Acheron666]

I nominate Humza to go first.

[@waterbearer4627]

I think this is totally misjudged and unethical. We shouldn't be so selfish and entitled to think we can end lives. Life is a struggle and can be painful but we should always let nature takes it course. Someone who wants to end their life may be depressed too. It's shocking that they are trying to legalise something so selfish and reckless.

[@lolazal1]

I don't think the people who want to die are necessarily "selfish", however I'm more concerned about those who may be mentally ill, acutely depressed... AND the government ending the lives of the "poor, old and vulnerable" instead of assisting them to live BETTER.

[@graceolsson3140]

Did you even watch it

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

Christians usually do but turn the cheek when the bishops beating the alter boy off!!

[@ajne6560]

Being selfish is saying that people who are dealing with terminal illnesses shouldn't be allowed to end their life in a peaceful way because you think people who are suffering in agony should just 'let nature take its course'.

[@becky2235]

Exactly ​@@ajne6560

[@jonathaneffemey944]

Thanks for posting

[@nicholassutton9192]

All terribly sad. I, personally, have no issue with the concept, save that one is asking another to commit murder. A point seldom raised i fear. My main objection is the political danger of state authorised euthanasia. It is, bluntly, a way of saving money. If any reader does not believe that this is a factor, then you , frankly, are in a fantasy world. Already the elderly receive a lower standard of treatment than do the young (to economise on drugs, time and money) . One doesn’t have to be too elderly either. The ability to ave euthanasia too is simply appalling. On top of that there is the problem of less that sympathetic next of kin making the decision. One can see it”Oh yes Doctor, uncle Frank wouldn’t want to be a burden, etc, etc….(by the way, we are his beneficiary’s)” the latter part, I suspect ,would not be mentioned. As a medical acquaintance told me, he did not think it a good idea for a patient to call a doctor to assist if it was thought that he may recommend death. As he put it, he could see in his minds eye the curtains twitching at neighbours widows as he drove to see his client. Aside from the legal actions that would inevitably flow from this, there is the further point of scientific research. Who will fund research into, say, incurable disease when there is no need? Of course, there will be the objections that it must be the decision of the invalid etc etc, but, that will not be so in many cases. This change is fundamental and will be, gradually extended. Once the cat is out of the bag, does anyone have confidence in our government (using the term loosely) to contain it? Frankly if you do then you really are in fantasy land. So, though one must have the utmost respect any sympathy for the suffering, on a balance of two evils this proposed change is so damaging that it it is ahead of the former by several lengths.

[@levi5073]

Your last sentence concludes your argument well, but the argument is a false dichotomy. The fact that gambling, drinking or even democracy can turn sour doesn't necessitate that these things always will turn sour. Yes, we have to be careful about government overreach, along with the other concerns you mention, and I don't think we're doing a good job at doing that in general. There is too little scepticism of governments, big tech, big business etc. There is too little care and respect for the elderly. Some of your concerns are quite solvable, or not even real problems to begin with. The vast majority of people would pay for a cure for their 80-year-old dying parent, regardless of whether or not the NHS started refusing to continue to treat chronically ill patients over the age of 80. That there is incentive enough for research to proceed.

[@nicholassutton9192]

@@Dracoti I must wholeheartedly agree. I will not repeat the arguments I set out above, but, this is, I have no doubt, a method of saving money, hospital beds, drugs and ultimately pensions. There are no “safeguards” that could be legally built in. The licensing of state killing is something wholly alien to our system, but, once sanctioned it will extend, have no doubt. At present there are some people who wish to die, but, those are limited. If this law were passed there would be very many who may feel under moral pressure to take that course . The aged , sick, parent who doesn’t want to see his child and grandchildren put into penury with care fees etc etc. ,or, simply relieving the burden of care for a surviving spouse. Once death is given as an option, then the pressures are magnified. I note that one reply above suggests that the “vast majority “ of relatives would be able to fund private care….Frankly, if one believes that, then, well….I shall say no more. Just a very dangerous idea. The answer is simply “no”.

[@BillBally]

@@nicholassutton9192 Based on some of the nonsensical comments on here I should be a "Poster Boy" for euthanasia. I am from the UK and have lived in Canada for over 40 years. In my case I live with multiple conditions one of which requires medication which costs the government $6,000 every 8 weeks. Half of my colon has been removed. I am in pain frequently. I have kidney failure and I am over 70 years of age. No medical or government official has ever suggested I think about ending my life. It is up to the individual to request it. I fully support this choice given to people in Canada since 2016.

[@nicholassutton9192]

@@BillBally may I say, firstly, that you have my heartfelt sympathy for your sad condition, and my very best wishes for its treatment. I must add further, however, that we all may have our personal tragedies and they do not amount to rational argument . One cannot dismiss other , reasoned argument simply by pronouncing them “nonsensical “. Perhaps, you will forgive me, should that sound callous, perhaps you won’t, but, please accept that that is not my intention. There are many people, desperate to live who may be affected by this proposed legislation you must consider too. Dracoti puts the the argument succinctly (something, as you can see, I am incapable of achieving). I cannot speak for Canada, but, as I understand it, euthanasia was only permitted by your Parliament in 2016. Not long ago. It was limited to those suffering and facing death. In 2021, your Supreme Court extended this right, (on the basis of “diversity”) to those not facing death at all, but, suffering from an irredeemable condition. It was also extended to those suffering mental illnesses. This, has attracted international criticism, and a Canadian review of the position, by four eminent physicians concludes that the legislation provides insufficient protection for Canadians. As you raised the issue relating to Canada, you may consider that if this expansion has occurred in less that 7 years, well, I will say no more. As a final point, as you left the UK 40 years ago , you may find a very different Britain today, unrecognisable indeed. I will now shut up.

[@sarahosman4933]

LET THEIR LEADER GO FIRST! LEAD BY EXAMPLE!

[@chrisj2502]

How many MP's took the vaccine? Not many I suspect.

[@Dairy917]

With the SNP and hamza in charge there will probably be a massive uptake on this product.

[@broxton579]

I don't see how turning Scotland into "death central" will help GB. What does the church of Scotland say as well.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Who gives a toss what the church of Scotland says? When they can demonstrate the existence of the deity they proclaim they might have something to contribute. Until then, it's like asking five year-olds what they think about special relativity.

[@_Somsnosa_]

You're worried about Scotland's image but not about people suffering? We have legal abortions does that make the UK "Abortion central" in a negative way?

[@broxton579]

@@_Somsnosa_ I think you are right if you include the unborn we are a callous country.

[@stefankovachki8636]

Are they God, no. People have no right to decide what they do with their bodies, only God does. This is called the Sanctity of Life.

[@andrewharrison7767]

gods a fucking sadistic egotist on a power trip - why else put so many people in pain, but expect worship?

[@wamnicho]

But apparently abortion is fine

[@dougaltolan3017]

There is no God.

[@Jolene492]

@@wamnichoyeah double standards

[@APsGTG]

This is all part of satans agenda in these last days. Pray for people

[@carrauntoohil86]

There will always be someone coming along saying they're worried it'll put people under pressure to end their own lives, which of course is nonsense. No evidence to suggest this in countries where it has been introduced. It's sick forcing people and their loved ones to suffer when a terminally ill person doesn't want to live another day in pain and misery.

[@lolazal1]

Then I suggest you look up Canada

[@michellebooth327]

You obviously don’t have a clue what you’re talking about,look at Canada as someone above has already mentioned.

[@BillBally]

@@lolazal1 What about Canada?

[@ChaoYangMF]

Mother Teresa" Because if a mother can kill her own child - what is left for me to kill you and you kill me - there is nothing between."

[@jesus2621]

That have no sense

[@Ralphsmaster]

Not the best reference. That woman was an evil.

[@ChaoYangMF]

@@Ralphsmaster She was a good women-not evil,she had a calling.

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

Mother Teresa was a fraud abused kids n made millions 😢

[@DoctorBastard]

The same mother Teresa who consorted with dictators and left people to die in agony? Vile woman.

[@jemgeach4066]

Receiving assistance is not undignified: being murdered by someone else is. Killing the innocent is always wrong. If you ask someone else to kill you, you are surrendering, not exercising autonomy

[@tobeytransport2802]

Assisted dying means they set you up to kill yourself in a safe medical environment, it’s not people being killed by others.

[@joprocter4573]

No

[@willienelsongonzalez4609]

Putting someone not for resuscitation is absolutely not the same as assisted dying. It is only valid in the event of a person having a cardiac arrest; no signs of consciousness, no breathing effort, no pulse thus no signs of life. The individual can still get treatment for other conditions eg infection, heart attack …..

[@laurateaho-white9654]

I 100% support this bill. I voted in favor of this in New Zealand and I don't regret my decision. It gives people suffering from a terminal illness an option on when they want to go and most importantly how they want to go.

[@BillBally]

I agree completely. Here in Canada it's been in place since 2016. I am amazed about the disinformation about it in comments here and elsewhere. People really single out Canada while laws are much more permissive regarding end of life options in some European countries.

[@philruane5910]

Big mistake.

[@GillDundee]

How is it murder? The patient has to be completely mentally competent to agree. Medication to stop the heart is not murder ,it’s going out with dignity. Murder is when you take a life the victim had no say over There’s a difference

[@janekpluciennik5522]

Try plant medicine, mushrooms,lsd,etc.

[@gillianmcmullan6023]

Slippery slope.

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

How so ?

[@CreativeCache101]

@@toriesdontgettazered7464 -See Canada

[@levi5073]

@@CreativeCache101 "Canada" is not an argument against assisted dying any more than "NAZI" is an argument against democracy. Try to come up with an actual argument.

[@CreativeCache101]

@@levi5073 pretty sure stalin is a good argument against communism though🤔

[@TheHomiekid]

Since clearly nobody knows what they're talking about, i've come to add nothing of value but pointing out how useless this comment chain is.

[@johncollins3391]

Yeah makes perfect sense anything goes in scotland now.

[@ivanconnolly7332]

After 80 years of lumpy porridge ,I would ! .

[@rosem5041]

Behave!

[@skinnytinny9023]

Seems a good way for the beneficiaries of the will to save on care home fees.

[@pholdway5801]

which are often ASTRONOMICAL....... What if they have Alzheimers and don't even recognise their own children?

[@jackspring7709]

You'd love that, wouldn't you, Channel 4?

[@Nellia.20x]

I’m here because I have had mental health issues for years and my time is up.

[@LOLytchanel]

Maybe don’t look down on poorer people from Sudan then. Be more grateful with what you have and be kinder to others.

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

Your lying we can see your posts

[@itsmeagain7825]

Not yet....

[@Jonas-sw8mj]

Why are you telling us? Bon voyage!

[@APsGTG]

@@Jonas-sw8mjI pray that Jesus Christ finds you and pours his soul into your life ❤️✝️👑

[@MsxHolmes]

Long Live the Queen!

[@danjames4086]

Here's an idea, treat it like organ donation, with an opt in or out system. Don't want any part of it, fine, then don't.

[@bereal6590]

I totally support it. I feel so bad for this lady and she should have the right to choose. Well done Scotland for being progressive and caring about people's rights. With the right safeguards in place this is humanitarian. Many will fight on with their illness simply because they know that if they can take no more or there is no more hope, they can pass with dignity. ✌

[@dorisday3129]

What about the rights of the persons who she is demanding carry the burden of putting her down after the NHS failed to screen her effectively for cervical cancer.

[@andrewjohnston4076]

It's a disgrace 😔

[@apollonia6656]

So burden others to kill you but cowardly enough to commit suicide and relief that burden from another's shoulders ?

[@romankolarik3274]

only here for the comment bots

[@michellebooth327]

I would trust this about as far as I could throw it,also considering the other laws that Scotland have just brought in.

[@Godsavethecrumpets]

It's a huge shift from a society that values life to one that values a eugenics based mindset under the cover of progressivism, think about how this could be abused, just look at Canada, first it was for terminally ill people in pain and then rapidly they expanded it to any mental illness even depression.

[@APsGTG]

It’s population control, I.e satans agenda in these last days. Absolute wickedness

[@levi5073]

Democracy in 1930s Germany allowed for Nazism. Euthanasia also allows for potential evil. That's not a good reason against democracy or euthanasia in principle.

[@BillBally]

Nonsense. I live in Canada. People who are mentally ill or depressed cannot avail of MAID (Medical Assistance in Dying)

[@geofflancaster8542]

Do they get to vote on who they get to assist?

[@CashelOConnolly]

Doctors and nurses can volunteer

[@maureendavidson4635]

Is that going to be Scotland's only distinction. First of 4 in making a dubious decision?

[@friendsandfamily100]

Everyone has the choice to do right or wrong already

[@MrCarhoo]

Whos stopping her now?

[@Joker-Fam-Fahim]

This isn’t the right way to do it, god gave you life you shouldn’t take it on your own hands

[@sambahoza7488]

I wish some good pastors or prophets would lay their hands on her and pray for her life to be saved no one should go through all this pain

[@terhgasabeha9552]

Why don't you lay your hands on her. what's the difference between you and the pastor.

[@dougaltolan3017]

Why would God do that? God gave her the pain in the first place.

[@sambahoza7488]

@@terhgasabeha9552 am not anointed to lay my hand on her but some people are in future try to be open minded will help ya

[@sambahoza7488]

@@dougaltolan3017 assage Resources Hebrew/Greek Your Content Isaiah 66 New International Version Judgment and Hope 66 This is what the Lord says: “Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be? 2 Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being?” declares the Lord. “These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word. 3 But whoever sacrifices a bull is like one who kills a person, and whoever offers a lamb is like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense is like one who worships an idol. They have chosen their own ways, and they delight in their abominations; 4 so I also will choose harsh treatment for them and will bring on them what they dread. For when I called, no one answered, when I spoke, no one listened. They did evil in my sight and chose what displeases me.” 5 Hear the word of the Lord, you who tremble at his word: “Your own people who hate you, and exclude you because of my name, have said, ‘Let the Lord be glorified, that we may see your joy!’ Yet they will be put to shame. 6 Hear that uproar from the city, hear that noise from the temple! It is the sound of the Lord repaying his enemies all they deserve. 7 “Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. 8 Who has ever heard of such things? Who has ever seen things like this? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children. 9 Do I bring to the moment of birth and not give delivery?” says the Lord. “Do I close up the womb when I bring to delivery?” says your God. 10 “Rejoice with Jerusalem and be glad for her, all you who love her; rejoice greatly with her, all you who mourn over her. 11 For you will nurse and be satisfied at her comforting breasts; you will drink deeply and delight in her overflowing abundance.” 12 For this is what the Lord says: “I will extend peace to her like a river, and the wealth of nations like a flooding stream; you will nurse and be carried on her arm and dandled on her knees. 13 As a mother comforts her child, so will I comfort you; and you will be comforted over Jerusalem.” 14 When you see this, your heart will rejoice and you will flourish like grass; the hand of the Lord will be made known to his servants, but his fury will be shown to his foes. 15 See, the Lord is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For with fire and with his sword the Lord will execute judgment on all people, and many will be those slain by the Lord. 17 “Those who consecrate and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one who is among those who eat the flesh of pigs, rats and other unclean things-they will meet their end together with the one they follow,” declares the Lord. 18 “And I, because of what they have planned and done, am about to come[a] and gather the people of all nations and languages, and they will come and see my glory. 19 “I will set a sign among them, and I will send some of those who survive to the nations-to Tarshish, to the Libyans[b] and Lydians (famous as archers), to Tubal and Greece, and to the distant islands that have not heard of my fame or seen my glory. They will proclaim my glory among the nations. 20 And they will bring all your people, from all the nations, to my holy mountain in Jerusalem as an offering to the Lord-on horses, in chariots and wagons, and on mules and camels,” says the Lord. “They will bring them, as the Israelites bring their grain offerings, to the temple of the Lord in ceremonially clean vessels. 21 And I will select some of them also to be priests and Levites,” says the Lord. 22 “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord. 24 “

[@mobilephil244]

One has to ask how many people would WANT to go on living in Scotland now that they can all be thrown in prison for life for having a haraam conversation in their own home.

[@bongs2211]

Stop dying wake up. U have duty on this planet Decolonise the planet. Value ur self. Decolonise this earthly life then think about the after life later.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

No i dont agree with assisted dying because its abused. Was judt for terminal illnesses but now for mental illneses someone had assisted dying for severe noises in ears. 1 in 5 people in the nethetlsnds died this way or it might have been 2 out of 5. Its gone the same way as abortion hard tobget once and now some people have more than one.

[@bartoszbielecki1722]

Another great scotish idea..😂

[@lovelybitofbugle219]

Scottish people need this! I spent a week there so i know how they feel 😢

[@samsonlovesyou]

Now that's funny. And I'm a Scot.

[@lovelybitofbugle219]

@@samsonlovesyou good! Cos i love Scotland really.

[@CreativeCache101]

"Scottish drug deaths have fallen by 90% in 2026, in unrelated news 50,000 people have had legal assistance to make their pain go away forever."

[@grahamhireme9283]

There’s a big difference between a 70 year old in pain with zero quality of life and a 45 year old with a bit of depression. Getting near end of life and already on six different pills a day and suffering some pain ( chronic discomfort might be better term) and I know I’m very unlikely to find the cure for cancer or do anything fantastic that will make life better for others. All I’m going to do is suffer more and rely more on others to look after me and for what? The occasional ironic joke about my poor health? No, the right and logical thing to do is when you know the car will no longer get you to the shop it’s time to scrap it. New tyres won’t make it go faster or further. Like lipstick on the pig, the reality is there and not that difficulty to see. The immoral argument but valid one is can society support a large percentage of its population that is over eighty? Some 85 year olds are fit as fiddles and cost society very little however we can not ignore the reality that with age comes deterioration and with deterioration comes the cost of repair. What we might see in our NHS is life extending charges of some kind. Whereby if you want to live a “comfortable life “ beyond a certain age then that care will be bought privately. So choice then becomes euthanasia or inheritance. No pig no lipstick !

[@Guy-m8m]

What about the dug? I respect her pain and choice, but is obv a totem to her holding onto life...what about the dug...

[@freyaaswynn2961]

My thought exactly.

[@keithlinney7084]

Yeah... we've got to think about Dug.

[@Will46666]

This is absolutely FRIGHTENING. Just the thin end of the wedge.

[@90skidnomo]

Scotlands tourism is dying

[@notion14]

I believe in assisted dying. Its even worse if the person/patient is not classed as having the consent capability... these poor souls are probably in agony and not able to articulate, imagine being trapped in your own body feeling the agony but you just cant escape, so wrong, but as animals cant speak please bring your dying dog etc so we can do the humane thing. Hypocrisy at its highest then for the sufferings of man..oh and by the way, when my husband, like so many was in his agonising final hours and i asked for him to have more morphine, i was told, the law won't allow it as it can cause addiction!, he's dying for God's sake.. Let the dying choose and where someone cant when it's obvious they're in agony, make provision for next of kin to give consent. .

[@David-jx4gw]

If they can't articulate, how do know they want to die?

[@redalert2834]

When exactly will Donald Trump be returning to his golf course in Scotland?

[@runawayplane6166]

No idea. Anyway, back to the actual subject..

[@manbearpig7521]

Eugenics

[@iyedtheboss7372]

thats not at all what eugenics is mate. you mean euthanasia

[@liberality]

​@@iyedtheboss7372 It's not the healthy people being killed though, is it? Illness is expensive, and killing people is cheap. It also saves paying out pensions in future.

[@johnchapman6446]

As an Orthdodox Christian, this is an abhorrent practice. Christ suffered before He died on the cross. For many of us we may also be called to suffer before the end of our lives. This can help to purify our souls in humility and prepare us for when we do leave this world when the time comes.

[@chrysalis4126]

Wow. so you are all for suffering because of your religion. Wow.

[@levi5073]

That's fine, and that's your opinion. You are also perfectly free to express that opinion by not choosing to prematurely die. Other people don't believe in gods or souls, and so your argument is inapplicable to them. The difference between our respective "sides" is that I'm not trying to force you what to do, based on my beliefs.

[@thebackup2121]

But he also gave us Free Will. I consider myself Christian but I also stress the importance of not standing in the way of others' faith or lack thereof, and modern progressive values (within reason). I think we should be more concerned with tackling the poverty/housing/cost of living issues issues we face in the interest of practising charity to others, and make sure our children are safe from predation, whether it be from certain Western values like the inclusion of children in film/television/photography, or certain cultures where the men pursue or even try to kidnap young people. We have bigger priorities in helping others than simply dictating to them how to live, we all need to do our part to ensure people can live long enough to purify their souls and that they done by living by Jesus' example of humility and kindness ❤ Wishing everyone a happy Good Friday and Easter Sunday

[@johnchapman6446]

​@@levi5073 It's not a matter of belief. Every person has a soul which is eternal (and deeply loved by God). We all have the chance to repent in humility and turn to God right up to the end of our lives. Many people who experience suffering also experience this. But if they've chosen (or likely been persuaded) to end their own life prematurely, they may miss out on this opportunity, which is not fair to them.

[@levi5073]

@@johnchapman6446 Yeah, I sympathise with your view. I don't think any body wants to be in a position where they are considering suicide.

[@01chittock]

I agree, but with strict guidelines! I’m sure if the other 28% saw how some people die, they would want this bought into law!

[@mikeanderson7549]

You British?

[@resurgam75]

1984 - happend Brave New World - happening Solent Green - beginning

[@garylovell6017]

Soylent Green.

[@ReviveChamp]

I really hope this is only available for those with physical disorders that will either cause death or remove any ability to live, because the amount of mentally ill people that will kill themselves using this will be terrifying

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Why is mental illness intrinsically different from "physical" illness? Please explain.

[@lestrem11]

Start with the SNP leadership.👍

[@VeronicaMarriott-b6t]

The Isle of Man will beat you to it unfortunately

[@toriesdontgettazered7464]

For loads a money !!

[@dougaltolan3017]

Maybe, but it's not a race.

[@pegc9889]

The root cause needs to be addressed - there are cures for sicknesses, including cancer, which have been kept from us. Paula Black was only given 3-6 months to live due to breast cancer; but she took advice from a holistic doctor and went on a special juicing regimen, which cured her in 15 months. Her book is Life, Cancer, and God.

[@marynineteen7186]

This is life so dry the tear everyone get it hard u do r want ur family to go though what life wft the law not changing because u don't want love. Life is love so wise the fu

[@CreativeCache101]

you have mastered the English language and the art of poetry. Beautiful.

[@marynineteen7186]

@@CreativeCache101 English don't teach English their unqualified in mist things

[@duanecarr6712]

How is your cause death….wow cowards