Channel LSV - Legacy Manaless Dredge (Deck Tech & Match 1)

[@andrewjh]

Just the way Dr. Garfield drew it up.

[@koloblicin9721]

Just finished game 1 and I'm hoping you realize that dread returning Grave troll with a flayer of the hatebound out domes the opponent for the number of creatures in your yard. IE:a ton.

[@Pembolog]

And here's me worried I'm doing something wrong because LSV didn't hit the optimal line.

[@lyserg1k]

to all those who think the pros are on a 'whitelist' - here is proof; he literally has a no land hand every game.

[@Slapfight12]

LSV NO. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE CHOSEN ONE. IT WAS SAID YOU WOULD DESTROY THE UNFAIR DECKS NOT JOIN THEM. YOU WERE TO BRING BALANCE TO THE META NOT PUT IT DIRECTLY INTO YOUR GRAVEYARD!!!

[@pfeffer1729]

Are we talking about the guy who always drafts janky storm in cube?

[@thegreatmajora13]

Lsv is playing dredge. I'm both excited to see this, and concerned that he's been replaced by a robot clone.

[@neuteredkitty7379]

After you get hatebound you just dread a grave troll it comes in as a 40/40 or something

[@Oshawartist]

Are you a wizard lsv? Just this week I was in the process of building my manaless dredge deck, and I was looking to see if you made any videos about it, and was disapointed to see that you didn't... until now. Thank you lsv, not only just for this, but for everything. You're awesome dude.

[@Bare_Minimum]

The quality of the audio on this video is amazing. Assuming he got a new mic... Awesome!

[@anosnd]

OP naming Goatnapper with Cabal Therapy wins my heart.

[@jamiekidd5471]

Dread returning GGT with flayer oft he hatebound out just deals a bunch and you win.

[@amonsantos3668]

How does this deck deal with a turn 0 leyline of the void? Do you just move to concede step?

[@federicopanzonato4528]

Exactly

[@snowy-g9p]

you have a good match against land destruction

[@tiagocoelho9848]

Seems suuuper fun to play for a few times but quick question: call me dumb or smthn, but how dahell does this deck win vs rest in peace/relic of prog/grafdiggers/leyline/needle rly? I rly cant see the outs...

[@Bucketheadland3]

It doesnt

[@tiagocoelho9848]

So, opponent slams a leyline turn 0 and we cry? Man... Also, just remembered, tabernacle must be specialy fun too, in the turns you cant go off...

[@panagiotisgoulas8539]

you need chancellor and good draws. btw this deck is dirty cheap probably cheapest competitive legacy deck alongside burn. no lands that cost a fortune and no need for led which the land version plays. and it wins matches.

[@MrAngelofdestruction]

That's kind of what the force of wills are for. You usually bring them in to stop those kinds of things if you're worried about it but other than that you're kind of screwed. Some lists will run Dryad Arbor and Nature's Claim in the side just for that or lotus petals, ingot chewer, and wispmare but for the most part you're just screwed

[@laughter9989]

pretty much yea. you have to hope you win game 1 (pretty good odds) and hope you dodge their hate entirely games 2 and 3. that's why the deck isn't tier 1, but its real fun to play.

[@Bradyoungbass]

nooooooooooo we've lost him. RIP lsv

[@julien4414]

Think that the manaless blue version is slightly better, it plays 3 force main deck and some other blue cards to be more reliable.

[@CRIMS0N_KING]

I'm not watching magic... I don't understand what's going on but I like it!

[@delve5]

"No God, Please No! - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott

[@zulda1396]

Wait so how exactly did he discard 6 cards to phantasmagorian? I think it's some sorta stack triggers but don't really know.

[@Rhyme17]

welcome to legacy, now get out

[@tecnomarlaz]

Fav comment by far

[@petrie911]

Why is there a Progenitus in the sideboard?

[@jfskibumjr]

For the Dread Return memes

[@SIeepwalker1]

I guess against painter combo ? Not that anybody plays that

[@igotdapowa1223]

Can you stack your graveyard like that for a more favorable graveyard in terms of nether shadow in paper mtg? I always thought that you go from top of deck to gy 3/4/5/6 times

[@MK-13337]

Tasty Rainbowz Yes. If multiple cards go to the graveyard *from the same effect* you can rearrange the cards (in this case the X cards dredged) however you like. But once they hit the bin you can't change the order anymore

[@uwuphineas]

Was the first match recorded, vs Bogtemp0?

[@georgetheskeleton9810]

what does the deck do against rest in peace and leyline of the void?

[@TheCreature7329]

George The skeleton literally nothing. You lose.

[@ChamblesRNG]

Force of vigor

[@wildwest8069]

LSV is playing Magic, he's just not relying on Lands.

[@durgeddin]

ive played manaless dredge for a few years and i dont see playing whirlpool drake as any advantage. just playing a third spy would be better, so there is more of a chance to deck out or to feed icorid. also contagion is ment to kill the shaman and always played as a full set of when you see shaman. i would also drop the keeper and dakmor and play unmask but side board is all about meta and i dont play mtgo so idk what shenanigans people are doing.

[@awxangel6781]

playing whirlpool drakes/riders makes more sense when playing a variant with FoW and Disrupting Shoal for RiPs otherwise it does seem spy is more what you'd be after.

[@andrewkandasamy]

I agree. This is the legacy deck I play since it is relatively budget. (The list I run is $140, although it should be noted that I built it for cheaper than that since Street Wraith, Golgari Thug, and Bridge From Below have increased since then and now account for $75.52 out of the entire deck. I probably built this for around $60 since I had Gitaxian Probes already from another deck.) I have never run into a situation in which I would choose to target Whirlpool Drake over Balustrade Spy since my list is very glass cannon/combo oriented.

[@xcver]

erm dread return the troll with flayer in play??

[@emoryhotchkiss9088]

Why can you discard 6 cards to phantasmagorian?

[@emoryhotchkiss9088]

Oh thats sweet. Thats exactly what I thought was happening. I can do the same thing with metalwork colossus right? Like I can sac 4 artifacts before he comes back to my hand?

[@alanyuan8565]

Why not play LED?

[@laughter9989]

we already have a way to dump our hand in phantasmagorian, nothing to spend the mana on, and nothing worth adding to the deck (and diluting the combo) that we would spend mana on. also phantasmagorian is a creature for grave troll, which can come up sometimes.

[@kacsa00001]

nothing in the deck uses mana its one with nothing for 0 for this deck and the phantasmagorion is just better

[@TemporallyAnarchaic]

Phantasmagorian is just generally better as it doesn't immediately discard your Wraiths/Probes allowing you to save them for larger dredges or DRS counterplay, can't be countered, and you don't particularly need 8 of the effect. LED will be more explosive IF you have a Probe/Wraith by allowing you to Dredge on turn 1 (though sometimes this will only be for 3 or 4), but if that's your goal and you have LEDs you should probably just play Mana Dredge at that point.

[@bulajj]

If you are not in hurry you should just stick to ichorid/amalgam aggro plan, which is near to unbeatable g1 for any non combo. coming from above, you don't need those spy/drake shenanigans just put in some griselbrands (like two), who work better with flayer and ichorids

[@SHiTJuFro743]

Is this deck actually affordable since it has no lands? XD

[@ikashy]

Yes! It is one of the most affordable decks in Legacy!

[@MrAngelofdestruction]

JuFro743 the most expensive card is lion's eye diamond

[@Zeth444]

It actually doesn't even play Lion Eye Diamond

[@laughter9989]

Yes, the maindeck is onsly around $200 in paper (cheaper than most modern decks) and the forces in the sideboard can be substituted for mindbreak trap. I, personally, have never tested FoW but it seems worse as this deck doesn't really want to be holding on to the other blue cards you play with the exception of narcomoeba.

[@karanojin]

lsv playing dredge? what hellish world have i awoken to

[@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS]

I stopped watching when he forgot to put lands in his deck.

[@TheSamzidat]

this is the card game equivalent of reading thomas pynchon

[@AlexanderBaranski]

I like this deck but hate the fact you autoloose to leyline of the void...

[@Amlorian]

my thought after flashbacking cabal naming fow: "really?".. revealing two fow's.. my thoughts: "k im gonna be quiet"

[@mrrandomassduck]

Come back to the light LSV!! We need you dammit!!!

[@malchar2]

Turns out playing a deck without land can occasionally be challenging.

[@envyoberlin8051]

OMG YOU TOUCHED A DREAD RETURN :O

[@babystacks]

wow i've got the nut draw! but i can't beat the most common 1 drop in the format played on turn 2...great deck

[@andrewkandasamy]

But... you should be able to if you actually got the nut draw... I'm assuming you're talking about Deathrite Shaman. If you actually have the nut draw then you have some number of Street Wraith which you can just activate in response to a Deathrite activation. Alternately, if the card you discarded was Phantasmagorian then you can activate it in response to Deathrite.

[@liamisafireplace]

Despite the fact that this deck is broken and unfair, often, the results are just a few 3/3s and 2/2s

[@peewee130946]

Liam Childs not even unfair at all 1 leyline 1 tormods crypt 1 relic destroys the deck

[@andrewkandasamy]

It's not any more broken than literally any (playable) combo deck in legacy. In fact, it loses to a lot of fast combo decks because the average turn you can "combo off" is about 3-4 and you can't run a lot of hate without hurting yourself. Literally the only deck manaless dredge actually destroys are fair decks. But that just plays into the whole "combo tends to beat fair decks" thing anyway.

[@oORoOFLOo]

why would you do this

[@DermoNONE]

yes finally welcome to the dark side!!

[@thrivingscrubs556]

Luis, how on earth do you navigate such a ridiculous deck so ridiculously well? Also, please play magic fairly, otherwise literally no one else stands a chance.

[@andrewkandasamy]

Answer: He's not navigating the deck well. He takes far too long to make plays that are actually pretty straightforwards if you consider the decks game plan. Plus he even combo'd off wrong... Also literally any graveyard completely shuts this deck down. Rest In Peace, Leyline of the Void, Relic of Progenitus, Grafdigger's Cage... need I go on? Also a T1 Deathrite Shaman absolutely destroys the deck if it doesn't get a Street Wraith or Phantasmagorian in the opening hand. This is actually one of the fairest combo decks in all of legacy. Decks like B/R Reanimator, Show and Tell, etc. can be much scarier. ... And a lot of the time you win without comboing off. Besides, you give up a lot of the benefits of playing a fair deck to play manaless dredge. Such as, you know, playing cards from hand that aren't literally "draw a card" effects.

[@Calla47]

Decklist deleted? Lmao

[@tcgbattlingmaster925]

i play legacy manaless dredge 😃 and i'm rather good at it too (you can now burn me at the stake)

[@alfonsodiforno9302]

I don't understand dredge. xD

[@SIeepwalker1]

This version is so much worse than the version with lands in it tho...

[@Khazuki_]

LSV playing Dredge? What?

[@FrankHerfjord]

I can't watch this, it's too dirty. My oh my what has the internet come to?

[@haydenellis3803]

Ladies and gentlemen. Yugioh.

[@Artificial-Insanity]

This deck cannot win against anybody with Leyline of the Void, so yeah, don't play it.

[@bulajj]

needs side dryad arbors, some fetches and natures claim, at least i played like that and it worked out sometimes. its still hard like any grave hate. but game 1 is usually yours.

[@CBlastoise]

Goatnapper lmao

[@naphackDT]

One day there will be a combo deck with Goatnapper.

[@andrewkandasamy]

I'm waiting for the Amoeboid Changeling + Change of Heart + Goatnapper deck as a counter to B/R reanimator and Show and Tell.

[@andrewkandasamy]

Wow, LSV really doesn't know this deck at all does he...

[@whatdoithinkofthisyoutubev8787]

LSV is a LIAR!!!!!!!! He said that this deck can't make any mana!!!! But I see a dakmor salvage in the sideboard that taps for mana. Unsubscribe