Vintage Cube Draft | Channel LSV

[@PopeGoliath]

I should set my morning alarm to a sound bite of, "Alrighty, time for round one." That phrase fills me with excitement and energy.

[@helderboymh]

Scott Barnkow don't do it, no matter how good your alarm sound is it will become your most hated sound in the world and that could ruin future lsv videos.

[@PopeGoliath]

Oh no! That would be awful!

[@Jon0sterman]

23:26 Gaby sneez? after the Polychronos dig... How rood :D

[@isambo400]

I love the Gabby shit talk straingt into Ancestral Recall.

[@RW77777777]

the legend of gabby continues after that stip draft, opps left with the impression that she plays 54 card decks with Soldier of the Pantheon regularly...

[@vy1585]

isambo400 have people gotten better at cube or is it just Gaby's not in it? 🤔

[@mestiarcanus]

With the CFB ad hiding the 15th card for the purposes of the recording.

[@mitchhak2]

Good to watch what vintage cube once was. And hear LSV reference Gabby...

[@BlightningBrightling]

40:14 "I'm sorry...did I get you with everything?" xD

[@CBlastoise]

The pick at 11:50 mark i feel he overlooked tutor for ancestral synergy. I thought it was for sure at least worth mentioning.

[@Alkoholwioslaidziwki]

CBlastoise That's what I thought as well. I mean, I could see an argument that it's not an insane combo outside of storm since it's basically discard 2 draw 3 for 2u or 1u untap 1u. Thing is, he already had gearhulk and dualcaster, both of which turn ancestral into draw 6. So, yeah definitely stronger than a half-off signet.

[@_Baleful]

definitely. that pick was mystical tutor not remotely close.

[@awestrich2172]

56:00 I really wanted to see Dack emblem, let them play Karn then ice dualcaster mage karn and sylvan, gain control of them and draw two cards

[@seannissen2509]

56:00 you were so concerned with fire you forgot about ice... think of it ultimate dack tap and steal any 2 permanents and draw 2. Steal the library and cradle for the rub ins!

[@pitakon]

Or wait for them to cast karn. Maybe they forget to hold priority and steal the karn before they activate. Lol.

[@bumpasaurus487]

Ya, I agree, I think he definitely should have been playing to steal the Karn, or whatever other big cards he may play

[@stephenlofton5403]

This really restores my faith that you can win vintage cube without combo (burn, artifact, reanimate, storm et al), white weenies or ramp/natural order. That said that last match is why I always pack bolt/fireblast/fiery confluence/etc in my UR decks as being able to burn out an opponent that channels/reanimates a giant threat has won me many games even if it's not full on burn combo. Anyway great content as usual!

[@emeryj3843]

Still waiting for WotC to upgrade it to Vintage Tesseract.

[@peterhone9763]

Literally had my finger on the button to fast forward through the Kiki-Combo when LSV says "If I have to wait through this so do you." And so I waited.

[@blakeelawsonn]

44:58 “Wow this is kind of Cheons”

[@karmajarrule]

5:11 sick burn

[@ethan2670]

Can someone explain the fire punt? Couldn't he just have the second copy of fire only target Oracle?

[@SmaugUKA]

In this Cube I've found if you're able to, siding an Animate Dead or Reanimate is very helpful. The amount of times you're dealing with Reanimator is super common. Being able to easily hose a common strategy/archetype can greatly increase your chances of winning the Match.

[@Liberatt]

At mins 54, why was it best to steal the wall instead of the noble?

[@dalemackenzie4320]

I don't understand what you were meaning at 57:03. Fire deals either 2 damage to a target, or 1 damage to 2 targets, so you could have killed oracle...

[@helderboymh]

Dale MacKenzie when you copy a spell everything stay the same for the copy (modes, targets etc) unless otherwise specified (duelcaster allows you to chose new targets), so since he chose for the original to have two targets the copy has to have two targets. That's why he could not chose for the copy to deal two damage to the oracle.

[@dalemackenzie4320]

ohhhhh That makes much more sense now. Thanks

[@Rtrt160]

Missed the boat on mono Green. Should’ve taken Treespeaker and pivoted there because it was a big signal

[@NinjaScholar]

Why not flashback Dig Through Time instead of Ancestral at 47:50?

[@bumpasaurus487]

I think 3 is better than 2 cards in that scenario, especially with the looter out, which helps find what u need like the dog would

[@arich97]

Isn’t there a case for playing the foundry so strand gets 2 different red sources? This deck does run Kiki...

[@helderboymh]

arich97 yeahh I think he might have forgot about it during deck building, if it was a conscious decision I would have expected him to atleast mention it during deck building.

[@bumpasaurus487]

Def shoulda played it

[@Argonaut1ka]

Splinter Twin on Venser is pretty good, you can just bounce the Twin if you want it for going off later.

[@SommBuddy1]

Shane T legends...

[@Argonaut1ka]

You just bin the copy, you're copying it for the bounce effect.

[@argsgsgsgnngndg9894]

32:43 unholy mardu abomination

[@tinklesthebear]

Love me some LSV cube videos. I'm not sure if this is correct but I would have at least considered main-decking the scared foundry so that a flooded strand can still get a red source after steam vents is in play.

[@zealot2147]

did you ever consider using ice with dualcaster? You could've ulted dack, cast ice, targeting 2 things, like sylvan and cradle, or sylvan and oracle, and you would draw 2

[@ViolenceisJustice]

I wanted to see dack ultimate, cast fire on oracle + karn at 56:20

[@pitakon]

Why fire when you can ice.

[@bumpasaurus487]

U can’t fire planes walkers I think. But Ice woulda been cool

[@faradin42]

Why not the mystic tutor for ancestral?

[@zaberyhurtt1146]

Same

[@nickthejack]

I dunno, it's so weak if you draw it after you've already played ancestral

[@mrknarf4438]

Using two cards to draw three and showing your opponent you have ancestral beforehand, in a two turns, two mana setup seems... unexciting. Not to mention if you've already drawn Ancestral it's just bad.

[@utterlyj1277]

Pack 3 I think you take the mana leak and wheel the fire/ice. You're probably the only blue red drafter, also I think mana leak is just better as a piece of interaction that also protects your combo.

[@bumpasaurus487]

Totally agree

[@DavidBrunsdon]

How can card art still not be appearing in MTGO after years of this bug?

[@Dremin2009]

Do you really have to ask?

[@Trisket]

WotC is a company of idiots.

[@stephenbrydson194]

A company of cheons.

[@benwix9099]

Sorcerers spyglass doesn’t stop deceiver exarch does it? Isn’t it a triggered ability

[@_Baleful]

Splinter Twin grants it an activated ability (making copies of itself)

[@clelvis225]

Dack has continued rising in my pick order...and it was already high...picking it over just about anything except power and i even took it p1p3 over a mox pearl in a grixis deck...had it alongside Ashiok and Liliana of the Veil in that particular deck...had a turn where i cast Baleful Strix, +1 Dack discarding Gdaddy and Sheoldred, cast Animate Dead on PapaGDog, drew 7 turning on Shelldock Isle, activate Shelldock to cast Recurring Nightmare sacrificing Strix to get back Sheoldred...long live Vintage Cube!!!!

[@nicolaseitelbach9724]

Lol every time he goes “Oooo” picking a card reminds me of James woods finding candy

[@Jchmcom]

At 40:14 Your spells made a grand ole American flag with Uncle Samki Jikki saying, "I want YOU to get out of the stack!"

[@JalebJay]

Why is blink of an eye in this cube but not into the roil?

[@helderboymh]

Jaleb Jay they probably replaced it for into to the roil because it's the newer version of the card. They don't have both because that would mean there are two cards that function exactly the same and they (as far a I know) have never done that before. (Wich makes sense because cude is all different cards and having to functionally the same cards kinda goes against that)

[@blah3423454]

They do it with a few cards, Armageddon/Ravages of war and Burning of Xinye/Wildfire, but mostly because they are sort of niche archetype cards not generally good interactive spells.

[@helderboymh]

Power Marketing oops yes very true

[@SomeFreakingCactus]

Why not?

[@nelsonliang]

I would be screwed if spam emails start including “LSV” in their links.

[@codetaku]

"LSV is coming to YOUR TOWN! Add your credit card information to this sketchy web form to find out how you can meet him!"

[@baptisteplaquevent7957]

the "kinda Cheon" when resolving the DTT

[@DaGaukla]

why not play sacred foundry with flooded strand?

[@helderboymh]

DaGaukla yeah I think he missed that. Maybe he didn't wanna play it because he thinks the life loss is not worth being able to fetch for a second red when he already has the steam vents. But him not even mentioning it makes me think he forgot about it.

[@johndeckard6592]

How are those new cards in a "Vintage" cube?

[@t.e.3535]

Bless you Gooby

[@tedmeyer4321]

At 55:20, I would have ultimated Dack played Ice and copied it with Dualcaster tagetting Oracle and Cradle. Resulting in stealing both of them and drawing two cards. Seems a lot less risky to get the emblem and sets you up good for the next turn by both crippling the opponent and giving you a bunch or resources.

[@TheFlamespriest]

you'd only steal one I think because emblem says cast and dualcaster says copy not cast.

[@sqrlmonger]

Ryan, Correct, a copied spell is not cast (see CR 706.10 - wiki.magicjudges.org/en/w/CR:706.10 ).

[@_Baleful]

No mention of mystical tutor? o.0

[@mrc3533]

Sacred foundry would let flooded strand get red in cases where you've already drawn steam vents, which is relevant when you're trying to get triple red.

[@kageotaku]

I was thinking he could use Fire to gain control of Karn if he Dack emblemmed, but Fire is oracled to only "Creatures or players," can't hit walkers.

[@G3M333]

Take a drink every time Luis looks at a pack and says "Ooou"

[@RW77777777]

I take a drink whenever his opponent salts a long deep sip

[@tylerhensel6130]

Around the 24 minute mark, why not just cast Exarch, untap a land, and play Twin? Is the fear they have a counterspell or..did I miss something?

[@psynque]

Why is Yawgs Will in the thumbnail?

[@macsenhayes]

why didn't the fire copy kill Oracle of muldaya?

[@helderboymh]

macs rutledge you copy the spell exactly as it is, so the original spell (once on the stack) had two tagrets dealing 1 to each of them. So the copy must do the same, everything about the copy is the same. The only things you can change are the targets because dual caster says so. So now he could only deal one to the oracle. If he had played it correctly he would have target one of the mana creatures and the oracle with the original spell and then had the copy deal another damage to the oracle and one to the other mana creature. This way it would have worked out the way he intended.

[@wlzy]

turn 2 Karn is fun magic for one of the players

[@romanmelanson2675]

He could have taken Karn with Dak Fadens emblem why did he not even consider it ?

[@lukecash3500]

Shelldock just counts as an island? Shelly is the most beautiful island to have ever islanded.

[@Bare_Minimum]

@50:16 The Kiki-Jiki combo ends

[@thecollectiblecollectabill2298]

@25:08 oh thats why they banned splinter twin...

[@a.s.vanhoose1545]

49:19 savage

[@joe-hd3uv]

5:23 RIP Marshall

[@jonasdash]

Mind Twist your possible 6th? My guess on order: Sol Ring, Library of Alexandria, Ancestral Recall, Black Lotus, Time Walk?

[@Dremin2009]

I think Mox Sapphire over timewalk, and maybe a couple other Moxes also, possibly Mishra's workshop too. First 3 seem right.

[@helderboymh]

he meant of this pack as it doesn't even come close to the top ten of all cards in the cube.

[@Kealan124]

People are not getting better at cube. Yesterday I got a library of alexandria pack 3, pick 5.

[@arich97]

Kealan124 I hear ya. I got a JtMS on the 7th pick of pack 2. I almost fainted.

[@tizzleforrizzle]

tom martel "mind twist is awesome best pick by far" LSV "WHY YOU FUCKING LYING"

[@Jon0sterman]

Isit just Treachery / bribery (not like library)?

[@dumbledalfthewizard9486]

or ice library

[@JR-xv6mv]

LSV, how come your videos are always out of sync?

[@ivanageev8535]

I wanna buy a tshirt with LSV face saying OooooOooooo looking at mind twist

[@skuee]

You should try recording some ASMR videos with that mic

[@mattwilliamsonguitar]

Reporting this video for violent abuse of my workday.

[@kevincullers5987]

Lol at lsv missing splinter twin combo m1g1

[@peterklein3354]

lol - seccond-turn Karn - gota love green

[@davidgraney3413]

Sexy draft I'm a little surprised no love for mana leak but who cares this deck has basically everything gimmie more of the best player ever playing the best format ever

[@_Baleful]

absolutely. Fire/Ice is good but in my opinion if you're taking it over mana leak there you're overrating it greatly.

[@yvbasil]

Give me more daddy

[@Dremin2009]

Got really greedy with Dack in game 1 match 3, then got punished in game 2. Sweet Justice after owning 2 noobs in the first couple rounds.

[@helderboymh]

What was greedy about that dack?

[@Dremin2009]

55:28 he could have got Dack emblem, killed both mana dorks and stolen the Oracle, taking away Oracle/Sylvan value from his opponent, killing 2 mana dorks and taking Cradle from 3 mana to 0 and leaving his opponent drawing a Karn he'll never cast. Extremely likely with his opponent doing nothing that he would have eventually won easily especially with Oracle working on his side. He could have even just got the emblem, let his opponent cast Karn, then use Ice on the Karn to steal it, dualcaster Ice onto sylvan library or oracle and steal that, and be lightyears ahead. Instead he opted to keep a draw 2/discard 2 around with only 17 cards left in his deck and a shelldock in hand...eventually Gearhulk the fire/ice to fire 2 more creatures the opponent plays and steal them with Dack emblem. I don't see how he could lose from any line involving the emblem, whereas the Dack looting isn't great anymore.

[@RW77777777]

modo bug for dualcaster #whitelist

[@helderboymh]

rr ww it's not a bug, it works the same in paper

[@helderboymh]

Dremin2009 well he punted by not killing both but had he played it correctly as he intended he would have had killed all 3 creatures. His reasoning was that a dack is worth more to him Then having an oracle. Wich I think is correct so I don't think it was greedy and even when you think that's not correct that doesn't mean it was greedy it just means you value those things differently. Had he killed both he also would likely have won.

[@willieo6027]

I'm definitely countering Ravages of War. I'm not interested in that.

[@lukecash3500]

All of those turn two Faydens were disgusting.

[@jermaineconcern1539]

Suuuuper punt in the finals. Yikes

[@peterklein3354]

Yeah - like there was really an answer for that Karn last game...

[@Alkoholwioslaidziwki]

Jacob Abdo Honestly, I've never seen this interaction before. Pretty weird tbh.

[@jermaineconcern1539]

Peter Klein the play was to treachery the WoR then fire noble hierarch and strand them on two mana that turn

[@jermaineconcern1539]

It was super greedy not to make that play. That strands them so hard.

[@jermaineconcern1539]

I understand trying to maximize your dual caster but he wouldn’t have even been able to play oracle or make much progress at all if you strand him on two mana that turn

[@Bademester]

Got kicked by mono green "eay"

[@Arghore]

Clearly not something to watch (and possibly play) when one's mind is mush after a long busy day…

[@peterklein3354]

not picking twist - easy splashable, he's gona lose against this card

[@shwift8789]

Forcing izzet sooooo hard

[@theSavageHippie]

... nice round 1... I get why people like cube, but this is the reason I am not that big a fan of cube

[@TWD66]

lsv beating on 10yo kids from Belgium like a pro ... ... let the kids have their fun !

[@jordanrutledge7943]

Shelldock isle so far and away the most overrated cube card of all time, totally mediocre, basically actively bad in any deck with less than 6 6+ drops, terrible, atrocious decision to take it over the much needed interactive spells like izzet charm or commit

[@jordanrutledge7943]

Gets the charm anyway.... Lol okay lsv you win this round, still hate shelldock isle in this deck and most others

[@RW77777777]

free one sided Show and Tell are bad...? it's in the land slot! you need to see it running around with Meloku

[@jordanrutledge7943]

its not free, its not really show and tell, but thats a good example of what i mean, show and tell is not a good card unless your deck is stacked with fatties, its not just a generically good blue card that you would run in any blue cube deck its in the land slot yes, but it comes in tapped, which is a big downside, and more importantly it takes a draft pick, which is a more serious downside. the odds of you hitting something good with it are actually quite low, lets say you have a very good sneak and show deck with 8 spells cmc 5+ that you are happy to hit with shelldock isle (im being exceedingly generous here, its very hard to draft a deck that good for shelldock isle), thats stil only gives you about a 45% chance to hit with it, more than half the time your isle comes in tapped and exiles a spell you'd rather not cast and probably bottoms 3 other cards youd rather have drawn naturally

[@gunnar2460]

you try to tell other people this nonsense so you get to wheel shelldock for yourself?

[@helderboymh]

Jordan Rutledge show and tell is bad because we both put something into play, a one-sided show and tell would be a very strong build around ( look at sneak attack, it's quite good and picked early quite often) - coming into play tapped is not a big downside, it's a very real down side but it's relatively small: basically paying one mana when it enters to have that hideaway ability is a good deal. - you are thinking/talking about it the wrong way (imo), sheldock is just nice value, you certainly don't need to hit big. Just having your land turn into any spell in the late game is quite strong. If you add on to that that you get the cast it for only one mana and at instant speed you'll be happy with most any spell, excited about a 3+ CMC card and game winning/changing with a 5+ CMC card. - yes it costs a pick but unless you are drafting really bad you are going to end up with 26+ playable cards. Now you should not pick it up over an actively great card that you are looking for in your deck, but there are plenty of medium cards where you pick this over (charm being one of them) - your last point about bottoming cards that you want to draw is (to put it in hard words) nonsensical. It's 4 random cards from your deck maybe you want those but chances are just as good you don't want them and now you are 4 cards closer to the cards you want. Its the same argument people use with milling: "but what if I mill my good cards". - lastly lsv has been playing cube more then most any of us and is really good at magic, if sheldock was not as good as it appears to be he would have figured it out by now.

[@jermaineconcern1539]

All that matters is your reaction to that one fifty something incel opening a “black lotus” hot wheel car.