More BIG Rumours! SPACE WOLVES, OLD WORLD & ELDAR!

[@Wildifepro]

Wizards do exist in the empire in old world, just the colleges of magic don’t, it’s basically untrained hedge wizards and that about atm. So it makes perfect sense to release new wizard models that reflect the different type of wizards around.

[@kempo79]

What do you mean "untrained hedge wizards"? There wasn't state-funded university that was training battle mages but they weren't untrained. It was like in the first edition of WHRPG - mages were trained in a traditional way: master - apprentice style - and magic was more generalist (a little bit of this, a little bit of that) instead of being divided into 8 different paths. Still, there was division between "evil" magic and "good" magic (daemonology and necromancy vs battle and elemental magic), for evil magic had its unpleasant effects upon the caster.

[@Wildifepro]

@@kempo79 I was trying to be concise, yeah they've got training from previous wizards but untrained compared to "Having a school set up by possibly the greatest elf spellcaster to have ever lived."

[@kempo79]

@@Wildifepro I wouldn't say they were untrained compared to battle mages from colleges. They were just generalists, while battle mages are specialists. Being a specialist makes you better in certain field - but you lack skill in other fields. It's just another iteriation of ancient debate - if it's better to be a generalist or a specialist. Sure, a bright mage can probably summon a fiery meteor to smite his foes while generalist can probably just throw fireballs, but then again the generalist can bring rain to put out the fire he caused with his fireball, while bright mage cannot.

[@Balmora776]

@@kempo79​​⁠ You’re getting into a weird semantics argument over things that aren’t really the main point he was trying to make. Sure they still can be trained by other hedge wizards/something else. But there isn’t a state sanctioned organization that legally recognizes them and uses them in armies (old world lore might change that) and it certainly doesn’t do it in the same way, hence different new model. The whole better or worse really has very little to do with the main point.

[@praise_kek340]

@@kempo79meth being cooked by trained professionals from institutes vs meth being made by some guy in basement

[@paintbusch]

I just hope Darren Latham is heading up the refresh of the Space Wolves design. He loves Space Wolves and wouldn’t fuck them up

[@Jason-gq8fo]

He probably is

[@Copium5000]

You’re about to get the ‘primaris treatment’. Kind regards, a sanguinary guard missing his wings

[@Mythralblade04]

What would you say the odds are that the "New Logan Grimnar" sculpt is GW trying to keep Leman Russ a secret by using a working title? Because "Large base, On foot, 2 wolves" sounds pretty Russ to me.

[@LMR041082]

Chap, that’s impressive logic. Like it.

[@happydisaster6703]

I’ve heard it was suppose to have three wolves, same number as the wolves that pull grimnars current Christmas sled.

[@SeanFatManEatsChild]

I feel like it's just gonna be an upscale/updated Terminator sculpt to replace his currently dated looking on foot model. Probably similar in size to Helbrect or the Leviathan Terminator Captain. His Stormrider model is pretty new still and we currently have both options so I feel like it will stay as an option.

[@SeanFatManEatsChild]

​@@happydisaster6703only 2 pull his sled

[@LMR041082]

@ it’s a really neat idea and if I’m right, Helbrect has those 2 base serfs who have attacks on his base, so we know the idea works well and can look superb. Personally I’m a bit stoked. I hope they go down the slate grey Viking look as opposed to well, baby blue and furry.

[@saritor]

10 seconds in and you're already talking about showing people the full moon?

[@shakyrob6512]

Clearly his love for his primarch Perturabo has seen him spiral further into the embrace of the ruinous powers and now he is learning the ways of Slaanesh.

[@godconvoy]

Valrak's moon is more like a Dysonshpere.

[@Manny_lol]

Just show me Plastic Arjac Rockfist and my cares about the Space Wolves refresh will have been fulfilled

[@Sigismund-xe2ec]

Eldar and Empire. Fantastic stuff. Now we just need the High Elf rumours/leaks.

[@ShadowPhoenixMaximus]

Hoping for a forest dragon for Wood Elves

[@Colbliashi]

I want a new Huron Blackheart and will die on this hill! The Black Templar release was great, Dark Angels was good, Blood Angels was okay, hopefully for Space Wolves fans their release isn't the worst of them all. Logan's model sounds really cool. 2025 sounds like a lot of "big" things that might all drop with mediocre execution. Hopefully Emperor'sChildren fans get better then us World Eaters players. I'm still bitter about the lack of range, as we really only need 2-3 things to really finish the army.

[@KrullMaestaren]

Swooping Hawks will keep the wings and get the nipples that Blood Angels lost

[@speedyT0RT0ISE]

“It’s my personal opinion, you can’t have a go at me for that” … Valrak have you met the internet?

[@keithmoore7629]

They best do justice to the space wolves and not make them just light blue ultramarines like they did with the ‘update’ to the blood angels effectively making their signature units generic looking primaris just painted black or gold I hope the space wolves are more covered in wolf skins and runic armour

[@klaykid117]

We're just hoping they get black templars/ dark Angels treatment. If the online community is anything to go by they seem to be the most popular non-ultramarine chapter so hopefully they go all out and don't use that fact as an excuse to be super lazy

[@wardragon9438]

I hope they do good with the space wolves if not then I will not be finishing my space wolves army

[@ToddGrindle]

What happens if they don't do what you want? You cry more? Lol

[@Wolfbroa]

@@ToddGrindledang choking hard on that boot huh

[@mechaplatypus82]

I'm already stocking up on Greytide Studio bits just in case.

[@DanTheMan-n5p]

Dark angels: Good models, bad codex Blood angels: Bad models, good codex Space wolves: 50/50 chance of it being either good good or bad bad...

[@Spongemonkey26]

Black Templars: great models, good codex.

[@pitmatix1457]

The fact they are ditching the sleigh is a good sign.

[@merlyn921]

I know the Warp Spider phoenix lord name might have been butchered, but it reminds me of "Lhykosidae" from that CS Goto travesty, Eldar Prophecy.

[@gvchannel2340]

Truly a comment that sends shiver down the spine...

[@USAFWolf]

The viking/Norse look is just so much cooler than the over the top wolf thing. I'm hoping they lean further into the viking aesthetic.

[@kempo79]

Magic and magic users existed, there weren't colleges of Magic organised by Teclis yet. In other words there wasn't state-funded university that was training battle mages but they existed. It was like in the first edition of WHRPG - mages were trained in a traditional way: master - apprentice style - and magic was more generalist (a little bit of this, a little bit of that) instead of being divided into 8 different paths. Still, there was division between "evil" magic and "good" magic (daemonology and necromancy vs battle and elemental magic), for evil magic had its unpleasant effects upon the caster.

[@Noman1981]

The Eldar stuff should make for a happy Pancreas.

[@dekai7992]

Some of the poor fellas have defended their craftworlds since 1994. They have earned their rest.

[@Noman1981]

@@dekai7992 No argument here.

[@invictustemplar5781]

makes sense that the terminator characters get an update for an edition which focuses on terminators. Though I never really understood why people cringe at the sled Logan Grimnar rides in, it's very much a nod to Norse mythology with Tanngrisnir and Tanngnjóstr who are two mountain goats that pulled a sled that Thor rode on, very similar to Logan Grimnar's model too.

[@jeffmoeller4522]

While I can understand the preference for the viking side of the Space Wolves more than the wolf theme, for me they will always be the wolfish chaps they were when they first hit the shelves. Crazy hair, wolf tails and teeth everywhere, and yes, the captain model with the stylized wolf helm was one of my favorite figures. It was wacky, it was the 90's, and I loved it.

[@pokemastercube]

for the blood angels they got the named characters right (just being bigger versions of their old kits, even if they missed a oppertunity for giving dante wings), but the generic buts all feel poor, no wings on sanguainary guard, death company not having their fun details, no jump pack sanguiniry priest, no libarian dreadnought....the BA update overall is a fail

[@RunesonWargaming]

Not entirely. The Sanguinor is a giant miss. In the lore he solos Ka’Bandha (the greatest Bloodthirster). On the tabletop he can barely handle Chaos Spawn. At least they made Mephiston good though.

[@The_Captain40k]

Shame to hear about the knights. They're the one kit the Empire really need. Hopefully now they've seen Old World isn't dead on arrival they'll put some more investment into it and we'll get these kits in future.

[@FluteGnome]

Old world rumours🎉🎉🎉🎉 fucking yassss

[@danielpedersensevaride5928]

Ohhhh shit we got a name!!!! Man I'm so bloody hyped for our Eldar second wave, it's been long enough and I can't wait

[@Tulkash01]

The old world: magic was everywhere before the Great War against chaos. It was simply not regulated, because the college of magic had not been founded. Therefore it is plausible we’ll get a wizard type mini, just not a college wizard one.

[@nesses1087]

as a space wolf player who has had this discussion before with other sw players. MOST people want the viking aesthetic. lore wise the term "space wolf" and all the wolf names is because of the imperium mistranslating fenrisian. I pray to the allfather (big E) that we get more of a Nordic approach in terms of design for both this range update and hopefully russ himself later on

[@Vikingeek]

My understanding is that at the time TOW is set the Colleges of Magic haven’t been set up yet - so no ‘coloured’ wizards like in WHFB. But I see no reason why they wouldn’t have magic users from before the college times

[@Kalemvir1]

New Arjack? Praise the All Father! Hammer Squad is back on the menu boys!

[@stuntman083]

Only Reikland banned wizards outright, the rest had rogue wizards of every school, including the banned ones

[@JumpyWizard00]

Boy, there better be Russ alongside those swolves...

[@nakenmil]

JUST ADD THE OLD PLASTIC MULTIPART EMPIRE GENERAL! It was fucking amazing! It's a CRIME that it's no longer sold! Mounted and on foot, and with the coolest goddamn standard you've ever seen!

You know if you have a stupid idea but then if you double down on it then it becomes a clever idea? Well... What if they make a Wrong Trousers space marines chapter? They could have massive legs with giant underpants. You could make Coteaz Chapter Master. Then he wouldn't look so out of place. Admit it, you started sceptical. But now you're intrigued.

[@ronanjohnson9718]

Tbh I'm still hoping for new Knights, idk if anyone else has noticed this but the units that get new models don't appear in any of the big army shots in the Old World books (Dwarf lord on shieldbearers, Empire knights, and a wood elf lord on Forest Dragon are all conspiciously absent)

[@lorgaraurelian7065]

I reckon the dreadnoughts is gonna be a big upset. I strongly suspect they're gonna lose bjorn and murderfang, they're getting rid of old dreads and if there's no rumours on them then people need to prepare for the worst

[@Harrison-cr2wl]

Here for the old world content 🎉 hope you do some lord of the rings content too!

[@thashadowspawn]

Awesome Sauce Brotha!!! This is starting my Day of Right Amen! 💪🏽😁💪🏽

[@ruslanhoncharenko2179]

Is Leagues of Votann 2nd wave still happening in 10th edition? What about World Eaters 2nd wave? Any rumours?

[@Frankschtaldt]

It makes a lot of sense for new wizards. The schools of magic aren't around during the old world setting, and all the existing empire wizard models are themed around those schools.

[@dustinrobinson6272]

I really hope my favorite Space Wolf Lucas the trickster gets a new model too

[@chrisforeman4164]

Can't wait for the Wolves refresh, really excited to see the reveal of Logan Grimnar

[@mariokastner3192]

Old Space Wolf Eldars 😱

[@Tulkash01]

You had me at “Old World”

[@krakenattacken8230]

we need thorgrim >:( im starting to get an itch to grudge gw

[@uther10]

Space Wolves are the Best Space Marines!

[@lupuskonig9]

I disagree

[@derekharkins8947]

Can’t wait to ride this space wolves hype for the next year

[@LynxLord1991]

Yes thats Arjac, sounds great for the wolves. Sounds like 2025 is my year both Eldar and wolves

[@brownmims2311]

I hope Logan's new model is a call back to the original Lehman Russ if it has the wolves

[@cazza1630]

100% agree with you about how the space wolves should be depicted, your spot on, they made 1 of the coolest factions a meme

[@thelegendsmith3063]

Arjac and njal are both resin/fine cast as are a bunch of characters honestly

[@MonsterandGames214]

Really hoping with space wolves we get a new ulrik the slayer and Lucy's model, also thunderwolf cavalry too

[@TheArchivistArchive]

Can you spell that Valrak, the phoenix lord for the warp spiders? Because if it's Lhykosidae, that's a thing in-universe that's been rumoured to be their lost phoenix lord.

[@leanderschuster3196]

We all know Valrak can't spell

[@Huscarle09]

Fantasy Space Vikings is definitely the asthetic needed for Space Wolves...Wolf heads on the Wolf Priests but everything else should be axes, fur and barbarian rage! Plus packs of bigger Thunder Woles and Fenrisian wolves

[@thenapalmbrothershq5585]

Starting the week with a severe waffling.

[@TheMichaelBroad]

This is the Valrak way

[@spiffymussel1537]

I’m so glad I realized sooner than later that GW would retire a bunch of the older Blood Angels stuff. I went to all my local game stores and bought a bunch of great Firstborn sculpts.

[@tonnehead777]

A true master of the engagement farming with those name pronunciations again!😂

[@EzperInSpace]

Im same as you. I love to think of space wolves as Space Vikings. Furries aint my thing lol

[@brandtdrake2231]

Furry full moon 😂. Rumors to get the week started. GW with a bit of egg on face. Hope corsairs are in the beginning of next year.

[@Brutalise]

I'd be soooo happy if they gave us Wolf Priest back. Been quite salty about their removal since last edition. At this point I'm just worried about our unique battle line units

[@mechaplatypus82]

FINALLY some quality content. Give me all the Space Wolf rumors!

[@Prometheus40KStudio]

i totally agree with you when i first started 40k SW were viking style and that was my first army for that reason, hope they go back to there roots

[@danieledwards4894]

Space Wolves chatter starts at 5:09. Your welcome.

[@Arkus]

I really hope Lukas gets a new model in this refresh.

[@thehonestaspy102]

I think people mean that the Colleges of Magic hadn't been founded by Teclis yet as he did that after the war that has yet to happen in the Old World timeline. Humans had magic but they were largely untrained hedge wizards of varying ability and control.

[@Bakroth85]

"That's just my personal opinion and you can't have a go at me for that." I'm pretty sure that's actually 90% of the internet. 🤣

[@thehonestaspy102]

As a Blood Angels fan thank you for sympathy, the true devastation of Baal by GW is still a fresh wound

[@redfatherfigure]

I'm huge into Viking history and culture. I've read many of the sagas, and my family even traced our genealogy back to Rollo. I SHOULD love Space Wolves as a faction and be drawn to their models, but I'm not. Valrak said it right. It's too much wolf, not enough Norseman. If they did get more of that Norse feel, I would probably consider collecting them.

[@richardcowan8785]

It might have already been said but the lykanos was the name of the warp spider 'exarch' in the c s goto book eldar prophecy. So it could be they are being clever and using old fluff or it could still be wish listing with that name. But in the book it did imply it was the pheonix lord for warp spiders, golden armour etc

[@LMR041082]

Too much waffling…. No chap, you’re fine. I adore the waffle and sheer joy you bring.

[@BigPapaDrewski]

If we’re following the same pattern of the CSM and SM army refreshes, having their primarch arrive with or shortly after the refresh. Is it safe to assume that Russ is most likely the next Loyalist Primarch ??

[@brandtdrake2231]

Yes to getting rid of santa sled. It was just silly. 🎉let’s make the Space Wolves lethal again and not another meme.

[@brandtdrake2231]

Would actually like a space wolf vs drukhari bit of lore. One of the best short stories I’ve read was harlequins vs space wolves unit. Brutal, lore full of honor, and enigma of the harlequins was enhanced.

[@TheDeceptiveMoss]

No, more memes

[@kellyhoesing2573]

Lethal Memes

[@lukevalentine9056]

Magic was around, just not in the form of the Colleges and was extremely stigmatised. Middenheim had a Wizard’s guild that predated the founding of the colleges for example and Talabacland had a strong tradition of Druidic magic. Obviously this might all be changed.

[@richardcowan8785]

Also for OW empire, I hope they reprint the ironsides and the character models like kurt helborg....some of the best models ever imo

[@junglecamper4717]

No friday no foil

[@thequietman5934]

Give us Karl Franz great great great great grandfather! Harl Kranz on a Griffin. Also Wizards were outlawed in the Empire prior to Magnus the Pious and Teclis establishing the colleges of magic after the big Chaos invasion.

[@Britishgridironfilms]

Full Moon 🌕🌕🌕🌕. Val spent his weekend painting castles.

[@richardgroat9043]

New Wizards for empire are likely pre college of magic options. Would be odd to see college of magic wizards 200ish years early. Therefore new models needed to cover pre-college empire magic

[@jonathancampbell7798]

I mean, we have sweeping hawk wings on the autarch so I hope they’d stick around

[@marcogiulianini4370]

Hope for space wolves players Will have a good refresh....Better than our Blood Angels models... GW hates we Blood Angels... 😢

[@stuartcairns338]

Any chance Votann will appear next year? There's a few rumour engines for them?

[@Flight_of_Icarus]

The Space Wolves are getting a big refresh? Good, more fools to smite off the table with my Rubrics.

[@morgansheepman2403]

Swooping Hawks will still have wings. But they'll be using the same wings as now

[@stuartperry3761]

Tell us what the new Tau models are Val!

[@ChapterMasterValrak]

They're shaped as bins, because they belong in them.

[@stuartperry3761]

@@ChapterMasterValrak ooooooooooer

[@artusyeddou5792]

I swear I’m the one who’s going to turn into a beast if valrak leaks Space Wolves before the Emperors Children

[@tcorbin222]

There is a legendary Warp Spider from the lore called Lhykosidae which is rumoured to be their Pheonix Lord (you can search it on the lexicanum), could that be the name you are trying to pronounce?

[@equos5060]

What I need is a separate set of 50 bare heads with great flowing hair to convert my Wolves.

[@foreverfornever1124]

We shouldnt lump the Space Wolves refresh in with the DA and especially not the BA refresh. SW are on a different path considering their primarch is set to return, on top of their range being more vast than both DA and BA combined. Sure the SW will lose models but they have way too many for them to simple just get rid of half their range. Not entirely something out of the realm of GW who occasionally yeets whole armies, but considering how popular SW are, GW isnt doing that with space marines no matter the chapter. I bet we will at the very least as get a 1st and 2nd wave of models. I still think thats true for BA and DA for 11th ed as well

[@VivaLaJam26]

Anything juicy about Thousand Sons? Need to know what I'm going up against when playing those dusty boys.

[@Grayfox251]

Only rumors ive heard are psychic robots (sadly not dreads just robots like castellen robots)

[@VivaLaJam26]

@@Grayfox251 Hey, the Castellax-Achea Automata are pretty cool. If we get a more psychic chaos infused version, that would be cool!

[@Grayfox251]

@@VivaLaJam26 I just hope it’s more than that like some more infantry as well (melee sot maybe? Please?)

[@HalfZatoichi]

​@@Grayfox251 Castellax is a rumour only. It's not the first time Thousand Sons got described to use units that are not on the tabletop (Silver Tower, Mirrorfiend, Thrall Wizards etc.). I started TS 6 years ago and they released a single character for us since that moment, at this point I feel we'll get a Terminator Sorcerer and nothing else.

[@Grayfox251]

@HalfZatoichi That honestly would probably be as much of an insult as what genesteallers got, bc thousand sons really need another big release (along with votann and WE)

[@Numblelard]

Like GW forgot the existance of Karandras in the release of Striking Scorpions, them forget the existance of de Fire Dragons in the release of Fuegan

[@JohnPC00]

A shame about the knights, but just give it time. I'm hoping the wizard is a multi-part plastic kit that gives you a lot of options, like the old battle wizard kit.

[@graefx]

Id love if Logan Grimnar stayed on the dreadnight oval. I mean Id love keeping the santa sleigh. Im annoyed GW continues to remove the wackiness for more generic straight faced scifi. Im fine with making the SW a little less wolfy, but not at the expense at making everything smooth and samey. I always remember the sales pitch as theyre a fantasy army in space. Maybe Im biased from 5th, but the Sternguard, Sanguinary guard, the death compan kits, GW is glassing their own stuff.

[@streetmark98]

Space Wolves will be the final canary re Primaris overriding chapter aesthetics/unit divergency. Particularly their unique units.

[@D_Doyle]

I hope that Empire get a priest of Ulric , and I have no idea why they would release new wizard models since they still have that box of 4 still available in AOS

[@abethegm]

Man...if those models for the space wolves pan out my wallet will hate me.

[@nightlord6653]

Am glad arjac is still going to be around

[@jgt1120]

I'm building Eldar right now, I have a combat patrol, the Eldrich Omens box, and a Spiritseer. I'm holding off on 2k until the release, but want to get 1k. What models will be safe to buy? I just don't want to buy something before it gets refreshed or sent to Legends

[@manapause]

Avatar, banshees, scorpions, jetbikes. Basically any of the stuff released in last few years…

[@jcbraun887]

Bjornn and Murderfang go to legends and we get a generic "grey hunters with bolt rifles" yay

[@andrewharris7714]

Magic was around for sure, just not the Colleges of Magic as they had later on.

[@RyngsRaccoon]

Why not both?... Both Viking and Werewolfy? Why not Viking Werewolf themed?

[@buglord252]

Wolfpriest load out will be the same as every chaplain

[@Deadjim17]

Grimnar losing his sled? But how will the Imperium's children get the presents during Sanguinalia?

[@redcoated2517]

All space wolves characters are going to come with a cone of shame and a squeaky toy

[@kellyhoesing2573]

Maybe the wizard box is an update for the AoS Battlemages

[@edbangor9163]

I'm waiting for IK news. Chaos has a lot more options, so we need to balance that out.

[@danmiller4242]

Anything on a votann wave 2?