SANGUINIUS' OPINION OF EVERY PRIMARCH! PART 1

[@chrisbennett6236]

It's easy to overlook how hard Dorn took Sanguinius' death. I'd love to know his thoughts as he carried Sanguinius' body over one shoulder back to the throne room. Then, intering him into a stasis chamber below the Golden Throne. We know Vulcan wept at the sight of his dead brother. But I feel Sanguinius was just as close to Dorn as he was to Vulcan. Hell, even the unreadable Jaghatai shed a tear for his brother's loss.

[@dimwitsixtytwelve]

indeed. Dorn carried the emperor though according to 'the end and the death'.

[@Kierano777]

Where did you read the 'Post" End and Death bits about Sanguinius and Dorn?

[@zeehero7280]

YES. I WAS SAD. IT WAS TERRIBLE. - Probably Dorn

[@BattleBro77]

DONT LIKE IT, DONT LIKE IT - Dorn, definitely not autistic.

[@Kuraito]

Dorn's depression and despair post heresy is well documented, and I think a big reason for that is that BOTH the Emperor and Sanguinius were effectively killed. If Sanguinius had lived, the loyalist brothers would have rallied around him. He was the final bulwark of hope and Dorn knew that instinctively. He feels he failed and let that bastion fall when it was the most important asset to defend. He blamed himself for not dying in his brothers place, ironically a sentiment shared by both Lion and Guilliman, who feel similarly for their own reasons. It turned Dorn from someone fighting to preserve hope to someone just looking for a place to die.

[@Jach93]

I also really wish we got more Fulgrim and Sanguinius banter. Judging from how much they both enjoyed poking fun at Mortarion together you know they probably had a great dynamic.

[@stacey_is_tired]

I feel this, like Sang would have enhanced Fulgrim more better qualities (cuz fam, I feel like peeps forget that fulgrim was known as being one of the more diplomatic, charismatic and even (dare I say 🫢) compassionate Primacrhs but boi just had MASSIVE Insecurities, and like his brother had an Arrogance problem, and when you have MASSIVE insecurities, that leads to disillusionment and defeat.) And perhaps Fulgrim might have allowed Sanguinius environment where Sang didn't feel the pressure of being constant symbol to trillions of people. I feel as though they both would have had an unspoken understanding that they both hold the position of being symbols of the Imperium of man and for the emperor as his 2 sons. With 1 being more symbolic and theoretical, while the other one was more practical and tangible. Even they were both doing the same job technically ( I want to preface this that i'm very new to the community.And i'm slowly getting through the books, It's a combination of me watching Lore videos and reading) (so if my Perception is incorrect, please forgive me) (Also these are just my crackpot theories)

[@Integritys_Sum]

Honestly i had never even thought of the two of them "in the same sentence" but Now that i do, i feel like they totally would have been beautiful chad-bros who bounced burns and riffs off eachother, they woulda absolutely had stylish back-to-back slaying like something out of Pirates of The Caribbean or kings man or some shit. Obligatory cool fightscene with music accompaniment.

[@samhobbs9116]

​@@Integritys_SumA what if where Sang and Fulgrim are best bros and never go near a snek planet would be godly. I always thought that these 2 share far more than ever gets thought about. I also think you could make a case for sang and ba to fall to Slaanesh instead of Fulgrim, that's another what if i would love to see.

[@Logan-xl6yl]

With regards to Russ and Sanguinius, I thought you would mention Sanguinius' line about Russ being a beast on the outside yet sophisticated on the inside, where Sanguinius was the opposite. Many people think its the Lion and Russ that have this dynamic but its actually Russ and Sanguinius.

[@jonharrison9222]

Wasn’t that what Russ said about the Angel?

[@Logan-xl6yl]

@@jonharrison9222 No Sanguinius had an inner monolog about Russ.

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

Yep, Sanguinius thought it was interesting how they seemed to mirrored reflections of eachother. I got the impression that he greatly respected Russ, and like some of the other brothers believed the Viking persona was a performance done for tactical purposes

[@jeremyleonjonas7657]

Well, Russ called Sanguinius an berserker in an angels garb. Or something along these lines, which really fits the Angel.

[@sevroaubarca8745]

There definitely was some acknowledgment from the Angel to the Great Wolf albeit in Sanguinius’ inner thought, but it came from a place of surprise & dread that he in fact doubts his ability to subdue the Black Rage and see’s how Russ almost carries it in a way but underneath is perfectly under control & wears it to veil his intentions diplomatically.

[@89Keith]

Have to disagree with the take of Konrad: from what i read it seemed that the Angel was one of the only brothers he cared for and respected: one that he looked to as pure to the point of asking his forgivness

[@aguspuig6615]

Yeah, i think it was Sanguinius and Fulgrim that Konrad had some respect or kinship with

[@samhobbs9116]

Sang fucked over Kurze hard and then did the same thing in the end after beliving he was smarter and could outwit the visions. Kurze should hate Sang more than any of them.

[@pentacosttb2565]

Aye, honestly if it had been Sanguinius that Fulgrim had been able to ask advice of, when Konrad confessed his visions to him, instead of Rogal Dorn, both Konrad and his Legion would probably have been saved.

[@chunkblaster]

We love vampire Jesus, his death is more tragic to me than even the emperor's death

[@spencerbajer8836]

If I remember right, Ferrus tells sanguinius that he’s going to lose, but also tells him to “make it hurt.” When he continues on towards Horus’ throne room.

[@meanestgreen3320]

Vulcan and Sanguinius hugging Dorn like: 🥺🫂🥹

[@taylorking7467]

I keep forgetting that the primarchs are aspects of the Emperor. Gotta keep in my mind is that Kurze, intended or not, is just that peice of the Emperor. Makes sense to me when roboute is called every good and bad name in the throne room.

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

It could be argued that Sanguinius embodies the emperor’s hope for the future, and Kruze embodies his fear of failing

[@babysealsareyummy]

True. Which really REALLY makes you wonder what aspects 2 and 11 covered. Maybe they were aspects the Emperor didn’t want anyone to know about.

[@samhobbs9116]

​@@babysealsareyummyMaybe one wanted apotheosis 😮

[@thomasa8814]

Sang understood and accepted each brother for who they were.

[@gryphdex]

fantastic video, part 2 can’t come soon enough! I need to know more about Sanguinious and Vulkan, I feel like them 2 especially are just the most purehearted.

[@vontheunknown7982]

I wonder, if we see the Loyalists Primarhes and others. Talk to Sanguinius body one by one to say their goodbyes, to their beloved hawk brother. But what do you guys think? 😢

[@kurakuhedo5198]

I. Would. Cry.

[@captainrex1718]

I would love to see Rogal’s goodbye since he shed a tear knowing that would be the last he’ll see Sanguinius alive, and him having to carry his and the emperors bodies off the vengeful spirit.

[@AMcCarthy83]

He’ll be back eventually.

[@akiramasashi9317]

Not happening because Blood Angels aren't Ultramarines and only Ultramarines get anything.

[@vontheunknown7982]

@@akiramasashi9317 That really doesn't matter or make no sentence on why you're bringing in the ultramarines?

[@benjaminreed8865]

First comment!!! Love your work my friend. That's all I wanted to say.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Horus took both Fulgrim and Sanguinius "under his wing" and acted as a mentor to both and the 3ed Legion. The three would probably have spent a lot of time together and would have had an excellent relationship. Three of the most charismatic and likeable brothers all together.

[@CoolSmoovie]

Call me crazy, but the Lion is honestly one of the most fleshed out and humanized Primarchs in the HH series. He has so much screen time with so much interactions with his brothers. It’s hard not to like him.

[@RSBurgener]

I mean, Lions are affectionate with a chosen few, especially family or those whom they've known for years.

[@NorthernXY]

I don't get any people who talk about his wings making a mutant. He's in the same boat as Russ. Russ would most likely be a mutant as he has no traits a human couldn't, just heightened. Sanguinius has bird wings, which could only acquired by being inserted into his DNA. Plus Primarch Zero has wings.

[@InVinoVeratas]

Especially when compared to Magnus, Corvus, and Konrad. Those be some mutant looking Primarchs.

[@NorthernXY]

@InVinoVeratas Magnus has copperish skin, so yes. We know Corvus can make himself invisible to people, but he looks just like a goth kid with black eyes and hair, with white skin. Konrad's look I thought was more of the lack of sunlight and self-mutilation.

[@sammckissock]

Russ literally has canine DNA added to his "human" DNA.

[@NorthernXY]

@@sammckissock I know, I was pointing out his unusual features could be explained visually as just his primarch DNA improved his senses and gave him canines like chimps and gorillas have. Birds wings mutating into existence in a human is impossible as we don't have the genes to make feathers and the Hox gene (controls limb number) would have to be perfectly edited so the bird wings would develop properly and not be some weird deformity. So Sanguinius's wings would have to be designed and not a random mutation.

[@SunsetRider7114]

I don't think the wings were intended. If I can remember, the emperor was kind of taken aback at the first sight of his wings

[@Nyctophora]

Sanguinius did ask Konrad to come back to the Emperor and be healed. Konrad however, had always known how he would die ...There is so much tragedy in this tale.

[@konradzych4610]

Great vid, thanks. Also, 🦆lorgar and erebus

[@poodlescone9700]

Imagine if Sanguinius was tasked with disciplining Lorgar and Magnus. The outcome would have been very different and probably not ended with them turning traitor.

[@MGone3]

I don't think Guilliman had a choice how he disciplined Lorgar.

[@fedupN]

Lorgar didn't listen to Imperial Iterators, Malcador, his brothers, or even The Emperor. All of them told Lorgar to stop committing religious fueled atrocities, get on with saving humanity, and stop worshipping the Emperor. If the Aurelian wouldn't listen to his Father, Liege-Lord, and GOD, Sanguinius trying to slap sense into the buffoon wasn't likely to change things.

[@andrewbyrne2173]

@@fedupNmy thoughts exactly.

[@mariusconstantin6057]

​@@fedupNhe never explained why he should stop

[@fedupN]

@@mariusconstantin6057 Yes, he did. First and foremost, the Emperor is NOT A GOD. Before Monarchia, the Emperor literally did the ST:Next Gen "Who Watches the Watchers" conversation to explain that "Yo, yer perception is flawed. Trust me, I got millennia of experience here. Also, I think I know WHAT I AM more than you do, child." He did this not only in general, which the Iterators and clearly explaining his stance over the course of the Imperium, but to Lorgar personally prior to Monarchia. Second, Lorgar had a job to do. He was wasting time getting everyone praying while his Legion milled about. Operational needs demanded that the Word Bearers move faster. There were iterators and other branches of the Imperium to handle civic loyalty. This was made clear to him but he refused to comply with orders. Third, he was committing atrocities. While not entirely new with the Legions, the reasoning here was not making compliant words with the Imperial Truth, it was making worlds of gullible idiots who continued to dwell in the mire of ignorance. Comparably and with point two, the Ultramarine showed how one can ensure loyal worlds and keep the warmarchine going. Lorgar's approach was the epitome of "you're doing it wrong!" Point the first should have been enough. If one's "god" said, repeatedly and consistently, "I'm not a god stop worshipping me. This sort of shite ruined our entire civilization. I literally watched it do that. Stop it now, this goes against my entire philosophy" THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH.

[@Khetsisal33]

Mortarion's usually a big sack of piss and wind but he occasionally has a good redpill to drop here and there.

[@dukeduke8970]

😂😂

[@jimmysmith2249]

Sack of piss and wind. Classy, clever, accurate.

[@thatotherguy8138]

No real surprises here. Even moreso than Vulkan, Sanguinius seemed to see the best possible in all of his brothers. I'm curious to see his thoughts on Alpharius and Angron.

[@tomasaraya8604]

thank you!!

[@thomassmith2605]

Hey I'm like #500, that's pretty neat 🤷‍♂️😌

[@derekbidelman2442]

What happened after Perterabo beat Angron and Guilliman was inbound? I'm a novice and I can't find anything about it. Is it told in one of the books? If so which one? I got left on a cliffhanger.

[@kellypulse6285]

Was the last book you read "Slaves to Darkness"?

[@derekbidelman2442]

@kellypulse6285 I havnt read any of the books, all my knowledge of the lore is from KZbin. I just saw the video audio reproduction of the fight between Angron and Perterabo and Guilliman was in orbit an Perterabo and Voltz had just beat the red color off Angron and one of his lutients informed him that Gulliman was inbound so they needed to hurry and finish Angron or send him back to the warp for 88day 8 hours 8 minutes and 8 seconds and I want to know what happened afterwards? Which book is that story from because I would like to start reading thru the lore. I'm interested in Perterabo, and he is probably my favorite. I also like the Alpha legion and Alpharius/Omegon.

[@MoriaGecko1]

I cant wait to sangy and vulcan

[@Sugarierspoon99]

Plz do this for all primarchs

[@alastor8091]

I wish Sanguinius could have smacked up Lorgar.

[@daniellestottlemyer7561]

Our crow boy covrus does a great job

[@andrewboyer7544]

He wouldn't have. He would have recognized Lorgars hatred of fighting and met him in a battle of minds. He would have seen the best in Lorgar like all the others.

[@alastor8091]

@@andrewboyer7544 a lengthy philosophical debate would be a nice read between the 2, but c'mon, it's 40k. Hands have to be thrown. Especially after Istvaan.

[@andrewboyer7544]

@alastor8091 It would be over instantly. Not very climactic. Lorgar can't fight for shit.

[@alastor8091]

@andrewboyer7544 going off of what you said, I'm imagining Sanguinius not giving it his all, trying to make Lorgar see reason while holding back. Lorgar gets a boost from Tzeentch or something, just enough to scratch Sangy's armor, and he gets too gassed up. He says some something a step too far, then Sanguinius brings out the belt and shows him his gods aint shit. After said ass whooping, Lorgar is left in shock as Sanguinius leaves in sorrow, Tzeentch is laughing his ass off at his prank.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Mortarion was right, though.

[@jahaerystargaryen4527]

wolf lord mi abdolutelz ador i lovu you

[@guilherme5094]

👍

[@ldkutellme]

i get its intentional but jfc please speak faster

[@kellypulse6285]

Set the video speed to 1.25x, and it's perfect lol

[@haoukkax8896]

1.25 gang unite

[@Anthony-ck6pv]

Question what if wonder woman was transported into the warhammer 30k time line during the unification wars on Terra and what will happen?

[@tappingninja]

The Emperor would’ve smashed

[@isaiahvaldez3330]

Probably take a towns worth of women and flee the godforsaken planet.

[@rossgadsby9663]

The emporer would've turned her into some sort of battery to power a machine for defying him, and keeps her whip cause it's neat. If she helps him, she gets a crazy power armor suit and does war crimes

[@elmine7707]

12 like in 30 seconds? Bro has fallen off

[@Cornerboy73]

Lion didn't lie, he chose not to reveal his methods. He was given a task and got the job done. .

[@jonharrison9222]

And deserted his post to firebomb innocent people.

[@Cornerboy73]

My response keeps getting deleted so I'll try here - anyway, Lion wins wars, even the horrific and ugly ones like the Rangdan. Unfortunately, sometimes innocents get caught up in those conflicts and while regrettable, more would have been killed in time had Kurze not been stopped. Lion was created to be the Emperor's exterminator and that leaves no room for nuance or half-measures, even though the primarch himself would prefer that be so.

[@sugarcombfilms3467]

@@jonharrison9222He didn't desert his post, Sanguinius and Guilliman literally asked him to deal with the rebellion. He was doing what they told him to do, and they weren't innocent, they were rebelling against Imperium Secundus because Konrad had been there stirring the pot. Lion was told not to bombard the area but he knew that nothing less than a full measure would root Konrad out, so he did it, and he was right. Read a book once in a while.

[@jonharrison9222]

@@sugarcombfilms3467 Guilliman tells him ‘guard the Pharos.’ The savant decides that doesn’t matter. Pharos ultimately has to be blown up and attracts the Tyranids in the process.

[@sugarcombfilms3467]

@@jonharrison9222 I don't remember that happening in Angels of Caliban. In fact I think the Pharos beacon barely comes up in that book. You might be confusing the timeline of Lion bombarding Macragge and Pharos being destroyed.

[@sugarcombfilms3467]

"We have a few references that Sanguinius was Lion's most beloved brother" Am I the only one who is sick of Sanguinius' perfection being shoved into everything? Lion's most beloved brother was Leman Russ, that's a key part of both of their characters. We barely have any one on one interactions between the Lion and Sanguinius, why do BL writers feel the need to tell instead of show? What's next, was Sanguinius the favorite brother of Ferrus Manus instead of Fulgrim? Was he Fulgrim's favorite instead of Ferrus Manus? What other relationships can we devalue by shoving Sanguinius into them? I am genuinely starting to resent Sanguinius because the writers can't keep their hands off his dick.

[@thundercrash4775]

Genuinely curious, what makes you think that Russ of all the Primarchs was El'Johnson's most beloved brother?

[@sugarcombfilms3467]

@@thundercrash4775 Leman Russ: The Great Wolf. It goes over their spat on Dulan, the aftermath, their first interaction together post Siege of Terra, and then concludes that after the siege, Leman and Lion grew extremely close, understanding each other better than all of their brothers and forming a very strong bond. Tragically, Lion would return to Caliban shortly after and disappear, and that's where we find Leman for the entirety of the novel, isolated in a cave on Fenris, mourning the loss of his beloved brother.

[@thundercrash4775]

​@sugarcombfilms3467 Hmm. Based on how the Lion remembers Leman in Son of the Forest, I don't think I'd go so far as to fully agree with you. Certainly their relationship had improved a great deal from what it had been before. But to call Russ the Lion's ***MOST*** beloved brother? I don't think I would go that far.

[@sugarcombfilms3467]

@@thundercrash4775 Son of the Forest is a wildly inconsistent book written by someone who had never written for the Lion before. That book is where the stupid line about Sanguinius being his most beloved brother comes from. It's nothing short of Mike Brooks simply not knowing what Chris Wraight was doing with both characters or disregarding it just to make Sanguinius sound even better. After the Siege of Terra, Lion mellowed out and Leman became less reckless, which were the two character traits that were keeping them apart. They are so extremely similar and they realized that after Lion stabbed Leman through the chest and nearly killed him. After Dulan, Lion kept the secret of the Wulfen for Leman and never once mentioned it again. That was a huge deal to Leman. Just because a single book got it wrong doesn't mean we have to reconsider their entire relationship.

[@shadearca]

Lol there is no evidence that Lion had a close connection with rus other than their confrontation after the heresy.