Chargers fall to Chiefs in Week 7; Was Acho right about Justin Herbert? | NFL | SPEAK

[@SpeakOnFS1]

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[@DonaldCosten-r8k]

Be another Dan Fouts if they don't fix the defense

[@danielwright6830]

Because he is . Lol look at the records. That’s elite . The W’s will come it’s a team sport .

[@o4tw382]

THANKS JOY! I’m telling you Dak, Tua, Lamar, Hurts, Russ, Deshaun aren’t held to the same standards as Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert. Allen, Burrow and Herbert all have started bad this year and been coddled by the media.

[@giffondhall9214]

Huh?

[@skillganon606]

Dak and Lamar are stuck in the "we have to win a superbowl" boat before anyone will say something nice.

[@djbeazy]

Herbert Allen and Burrough are overrated.

[@swords1467]

Russ is trash tbh

[@sidneyhill7064]

Remember people was dogging Lamar when he was asking for a contract extension and guarantee money.

[@BMoreGoHard]

The excuses! But they find every excuse not to credit Lamar!

[@eslakerfan]

EXCUSES FOR WHAT HE HAS A GAME WINNER THIS YEAR WITH A FRESHLY BROKEN FINGER

[@kosmicj4310]

Lamar has a competent head coach and a great defense. Herbert is playing handicapped with Staley

[@Clark1748]

@@kosmicj4310the year before Herbert got there the charges went to the playoffs and eliminated Lamar. Yall keep talking like it’s a poverty franchise. Poverty was Baker taking the Browns from 0-16 to a playoff win, Burrow taking the bengals from 1-15 to a Super Bowl those are poverty franchises dude the charges have ALWAYS made the playoffs with rivers

[@BMoreGoHard]

Herbert is a talented bum!

[@rodneythomas851]

All those team are playing for championship

[@christian6911]

"We blame Lamar when Lamar isn't even playing" lol

[@skillganon606]

Bro, you can't just come out here spitting truth like that.

[@estebanq.urkelthevxiith8495]

@@skillganon606 Out of all the languages in the world he could have use ..bro came in with TRUTH

[@AM4LDawg]

Am I the only one that laughed when JJ slid in that "that 28th defense" when Joy was talking 😂😂😂

[@obynoomere1280]

😂😂😂 that was funny 😂

[@rodneythomas851]

That’s a big part of losing

[@osheacoleman6140]

Ppl tend to overlook that

[@rdogletree4543]

Yeah the defense has to be somewhat decent. Way too much talent to not have a better defender, Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Derwin James, and Asante Samuel.

[@ericharden6832]

Acho when JJ started bringing up his career stats…”Jesus Christ….” 😂😂

[@faizelwales]

☠🤣🤣

[@Cowboys_by_20]

Dak record is 66-38 gets killed Herbert 26-29 but he’s elite

[@jermdoe123]

Bro Joy had the nerves to say last week that Dak didn't win that game against the Chargers. Now she talking about if we give these other qbs smoke(none of the qbs she actually mentioned she ever gives smoke too, if you notice she didn't say Dak Prescott) they he has to get the smoke too. Sounds like Parsons got them changing they takes around.

[@janicebradley9406]

Lmao, numbers without wins meant empty calories for Dak 🤔 I guess it's great now 👌

[@The-Heart-Will-Testify]

Lamar 50-18 , he is a bum, not a QB - white fan base

[@punchotheking1469]

@@janicebradley9406I swear now we talking stats lol

[@joshlugo5629]

dak has a top defense and still cant tings done.....

[@JewdahRize-me5or]

So Lamar wins big....no talk 😂 but soon as he loses hes gets criticism, make it make sense 😂

[@HasanJason-qq9sv]

I've been waiting for them to talk about Lamar 😂 joy and shady the only ones who was on his side

[@willholley8187]

Facts! I was waiting too! If the Ravens had lost it would had been plastered all over in BOLD

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

They coddle European QBs. They treat them with kid gloves and wonder why they fall apart when it matters most😂😂 Herbert has heard he is the goat his entire life. He believed it. He doesn't care about winning. Just throw 300 yards

[@dwalkeradz]

Did yall not watch the clip? They literally spoke on Lamar Jackson several times. 🙄

[@JewdahRize-me5or]

@@dwalkeradz did u here speak about Ravens vs Lions game....I'll wait 😭

[@zj4008]

The Chargers have had too much talent on this roster for us to keep saying “it’s not him it’s the team”. As a duck fan I root for Justin man I really do but I’m also for holding guys accountable and being fair when judging players right now he’s overvalued

[@jayc6743]

Even if they are playing below expectations that doesn’t mean they don’t have too much talent… just means the talent isn’t producing to the expectations. Those are two different things. That’s like saying if a team has Jefferson, hill and chase as their wr and they aren’t producing this season they have no talent. Not how that’s works bro. The too much talent is just under achieving

[@mko0lpmko0lp]

The chargers have name talent, but not football talent. D is 31st in yards allowed & 25th in pts. They're 16th in rushing (yds & avg), right in the middle of the league. Their pass block win rate is at 49%, which is 25th in the NFL. Idk what's happening at the end of games though.

[@o4tw382]

13:39 KILLED HIM! Herbert is nervous when the game is on the line and it’s evident. Too much pressure.

[@exthereon6916]

This is why Trevor Lawrence who is basically the same body etccc. Is miles ahead of Herbert. Lawrence is a winner Herbert ….. not so sure.

[@numbersfanjay4604]

This was proven false the last 2 years of his career by having a winning record in 1 possession games. If by pressure u mean literally being sacked then I FULLY AGREE 😂 u can’t throw the ball on your back

[@Ali-wi8bx]

Week 1 vs Miami: Sack, Grounding, Sack, game over. We not blaming the protection, the receivers for not getting open for herbert who was running for his life? Defense gave up 36 points Week 2 vs Titans: Didn't Perform. Week 6 vs Cowboys: Got pounded when he threw that pick, his receiver was an inexperienced rookie who got almost pushed out of the way by Gilmore, broken finger Week 7 vs Chiefs: Broken finger, defense gave up 31 points Only one of the losses this season can Herbert be the main one to blame, and even in that game, he was absolutely amazing up until the end of the game. If the Chargers defense wasn't making Ryan Tannehill look like prime Peyton Manning, Chargers win. Also would like to include that while Herbert has the most 4th quarter INTs since coming into the league, he is also tied for the most game winning drives since coming into the league.

[@lees5953]

😂The proof is in the pudding, boy fumbled instead of winning the game. I yet to see him win a comeback game. Y’all ride Lamar until he did it, keep that same energy. Boy is overrated, they would be calling for the Ravens to trade Lamar like they did. Top 5 talent bottom 30 results when the game is on the line. Trevor walked him down 30 points 😂what are we talking about.

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

As long as European QBs throw for 300 yards they don't care if they win or not😂😂Just look good losing so we can chop it up and put it on the internet

[@bcamm3100]

Man they can't mention LJs career record so they bring up the playoffs. It's not a team sport when he loses, it's on him. Certain QBs gets media protection..

[@JarMadeIt]

Herbert has the second most 4th quarter game winning drives since he entered the league

[@leo-mf22]

@@RUTHLESSambition5he isn't European, he's was born in the state of Oregon??

[@nikeguy2]

@@leo-mf22Lamar’s fan base is trying to play the victim while being reverse racists. Essentially, they’re just stupid. Dude really pulled up on an unrelated segment to complain about his boyfriend, Lamar, being criticized.

[@brianrios4690]

joy always speaks mad facts whenever she’s not being a hater

[@warriorjennings2733]

😂😂

[@dmohine6159]

Could the "hater" comments be "mad facts" that you just disagree with🤔

[@tylerbradford427]

“I like what she says when she says what I like”

[@brianrios4690]

and by aren’t his fault I mean he hits his receivers right in the numbers and it magically bounces out of their hands

[@brianrios4690]

@@tylerbradford427 sounds biased but i wouldn’t be getting likes if i made no sense 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mccoyrj452]

There was a great interview on ESPN YEARS ago on Grantland between Bill Simmons and Drew Brees. He asked how important the intangibles, things like leadership, decision making, progression reads, reading defenses, and being able to rise to the moment, were compared to physical talent. He guess it would be about 70/30 intangible vs physical. Brees scoffed and said more like 80/20. Non QB football players way too often get caught up in pure athletic ability because for basically every other position, that physical talent is KING. But for QB, from the mouth of one of the greatest ever, is maybe 20% of what they need. These things take time to develop, some can't be developed, Sam Darnold has been seeing ghosts his entire career and it does NOT matter how pretty a ball he can throw. Justin Herbert is doing what Dak Prescott has done for years, putting up a LOT of stats that look good unless you watched the game.

[@williamallen7984]

Honestly, Nick Wright had a great Herbert take. He compared him to KAT in the NBA. He came into the league, he looked really good, and everyone thought he’d be great. 4 years later, we’re still waiting for him to be “Great,” but he’s still just, “Really good.”

[@joshlugo5629]

bad comparison KAT is not a smart player thats the reason he hasnt taken a next step

[@eslakerfan]

does he have the most points and assists all time?

[@williamallen7984]

I’m just saying his point another how he came in really good and we expected him to be great was spot on. Four years later, he has the same stats he’s always had.

[@eslakerfan]

@@williamallen7984 But id argue he hasn't had great teammates or coach

[@williamallen7984]

@@eslakerfan he hasn’t had great teammates?!!! Coach I’ll give you, but he has two all pro receivers and one that’s on the come up, he’s got a great all purpose running back who was the best red zone threat in the league last year. He has pro bowlers all over the defense. He even has what is considered one of the top young OC’s in the league. Yeah, Staley is a bad coach, but bad coaching doesn’t make him throw deep ball picks when he has two minutes and a few timeouts and needs one score…

[@52baldingindianjanitor72]

Tbh Acho's take on Justin Herbert aged extremely well lmao. Giving credit where its due.

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

Herbert and his fans ONLY care about stats. They regurgitate the same stats over and over. Winning games doesn't matter to Herbert or his supporters. Just throw for 300 yards and lose

[@chikushodiz91]

How he isn’t overrated or overpriced it ain’t his fault his the others on just team aren’t in his level the chargers aren’t losing because of him

[@oronmurphy3724]

The hypocrisy 😳

[@hanojcarter545]

@@chikushodiz91they may not be losing because of him (i disagree) but they aren’t winning because of him either

[@johnnybeatmaker330]

I like Herbert but he's been overpraised bc tge media wasn't high on him coming out

[@michaelwilson939]

Herbert dont play defense, he just throws to them in game changing/winning situations

[@cjdebono8811]

You can blame the defense or blame the coach. But he always throws an interception when the game on the line. He doesn't have control and don't push his team to win. Sorry. You can be talented and still lose.

[@joshlugo5629]

this isnt true best tow% in the league and more successful than every team other than 3 in certain clutch aspects

[@TheRealYoungOz]

Then how’d he make it to game 4 5 with no picks at end of game and they all were one score games if he always throws picks ?

[@timdilly81]

Its safe to say that the entire team has played wayyyy under par this year including Herbert. No excuses but something that I notice in those close games Acho was referring to is how bad the offensive line collapsed in the end. Ints in Herbert, sacks are on the O-line. Kinda hard to get rid of the ball in a timely manner when you're being sandwhiched by 300 lb. Linemen. But nonetheless, the whole team is just not playing well.

[@deesee2051]

2 yrs ago ppl picked Herbert to win the division and said he would dethrone Mahomes

[@raya9525018]

I’ve been saying Herbert has been overrated for like 2 years 😂

[@outbreak8184]

Overrated sure but he is a good player he just needs the right coach

[@draughnj08]

I think James Jones is the only sane person on this show.

[@skycry26]

*Chargers put up 34 points to the Dolphins and lose* Media: "Herbert is overrated" His coaching staff and defense sucks; no, he hasn't been particularly outstanding, but blaming him for all of the Charger's failures (which is what they're doing here) is insane.

[@LijeeWin]

The same thing happened to Philip Rivers 😂. It's the Chargers not the QBs

[@skillganon606]

Dan Fouts, Drew Breese. Honestly, this list is long lol

[@DaMidnitezorro]

Stop it he’s super overrated

[@LijeeWin]

@@DaMidnitezorro I mean if that ya opinion it's ya opinion

[@LijeeWin]

@@skillganon606 thank you!!

[@TheYankees809]

Acho be spitting those facts for real! That bar was 🔥🔥🔥

[@davislettieri8859]

Lmao Acho just seems to hate Herbert he hasn't liked Herbert even before the draft They talk a lot about the losses but Acho has praised the wins what maybe 1 time They ignore that Herbert has more game winning drives than most QBs since 2020 he's got more game winning and more 4th quarter comebacks than a lot most since 2020

[@GentryWaits]

You guys are the best, I love the show.

[@karlthetroof]

Jay Cutler was arguably, the most talented QB in history. He could place the football anywhere he wanted on the field. But he wasn't a good QB overall.

[@maximuskeene8572]

when you're the franchise qb, the de facto leader, and the player making the most money, you get the most critique when the team loses and the most praise when the team wins. that's how it is. has the chargers defense been good? no. has there been key injuries? yes. but that's the difference between good and great qbs. the great ones can overcome the team's faults. herbert can't do that and his record is proof. acho was 100% right

[@faizelwales]

💯 my brother..

[@jeremiahclark7012]

I am tired of them blaming Herbert and saying all these QBs are winning. They have better Olines to give them time in the pocket, they have better coaches, way better defenses to put them in better positions to win. They never bring that up. Defense gives up points Herbert fault, Oline can't hold up he gets sacked Herbert fault, WR cant get open fast enough Herbert fault. Y'all need to stop the hating on him.

[@dwalkeradz]

As far as I can tell, Herbert has feasted on bottom tier teams and comes up short against the cream of the crop. Also being in the same division that PM15 is hurts his stock.

[@joshlugo5629]

cream of the top dont have bad defenses

[@demetriusdouglas-davis3552]

He's like dak

[@Alexchamplooo]

Maybe this season sure, but don’t do that lol, look at his stats against “good” teams

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@joshlugo5629 So what happened when that “bad defense” made Trevor Lawrence turn the ball over 4 times in the first half and Justin Herbert couldn’t even hold the lead or add onto it?

[@jfkpeakedglaz193]

Herbert could have played better for sure. But his defense is the worst in the NFL

[@marcusthegreat3653]

Acho came with the heat on this. Very VERY impressive Acho. Achobis right! Herbert has to be judged!

[@Insane22sz]

Asscho is lame .. dude is just waiting for Herbert to slip … he’s been hating on dude since day 1

[@mrkcdontplaybanks8727]

14:51...aww shyt.....some stats....😂

[@amartin0417]

Acho came wit the heat today boi was in his bag with that bar tho🔥🔥

[@Jarel_317]

Imagine having top 5 talent all over your team and still not winning. Derwin James, Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Austin Eckeler, Keenan Allen and himself since he is talented yet the Chargers aren’t winning. It not all Herbert’s fault but we have to hold these QBs to the same standards.

[@hamedsafi7715]

i see what james is saying on the whole but im with acho especially for this season herbert had the ball in his hands late in game to win it and didnt deliver

[@TheRealYoungOz]

He was down two scores that’s a lot of delivering lol wtf 😂I could see 24-17 last drive but 31-17 1min yeah stop it

[@hamedsafi7715]

i said this season?? Ill make it easier in the 4th quarter Herbert had opportunities this season. Lol and chiefs scored with 3mins left he had the time before that to tie it up. @@TheRealYoungOz

[@kevinstewart8054]

@@TheRealYoungOzexplain the cowboy and dolphin game. He folded in both.

[@TheRealYoungOz]

@@hamedsafi7715 you said he had ball in his hands late as in your talking bout the game last night you didn’t say multiple times you mad two statements lol I’m with acho this season first statement second one was he had ball in his hands late and didn’t deliver

[@tge661]

@@kevinstewart8054 look at the final drive and look at the offensive line giving up pressures e

[@mhitch2220]

Justin Herbert is so overrated. The chargers are stupid for signing him to that contract. He’s not a winner. He’s not clutch.

[@QuintonALovett]

So we rate based on talent and potential got it! 🧐

[@charleswiley6129]

Perfect example of what Acho is saying.. last year Super Bowl Eagles vs Chiefs.. Chiefs defense was 16th ranked.. average on a good day, great offense. The defense stepped up in the Super Bowl played great still let up 35 points but played an excellent game.. the eagles killed the clock and played exceptional on offense.. had Mahomes not drove down the field nearly everytime they got the ball and put points on the board in the short amount of time he had, capitalized on every mistake the eagles made, made every snap count, then the chiefs lose that Super Bowl.. that’s the difference in a QB with talent and knows how to win and Herbert

[@samuel_shemire]

Pleasee, talk about Lamar.

[@bcamm3100]

Only when he loses or has a bad game...

[@corning1]

I like that James has became more serious. No snickering when he thinks the camera is off him (like Tony romo vs dak). He’s much better like this. People need to stop looking down when others are talking, they don’t looked engaged or they are talking to talk just because. It’s bad tv.

[@urnothingcu]

Herbert leads the nfl in 4th quarter ints since he's been a starting qb and those are just the facts.

[@joshlugo5629]

top 2 in gw drives and 4Q comebacks those are just facts

[@The-Heart-Will-Testify]

People thought he was better than Lamar Jackson 😂😂😂😂 dont ever compare. Goes to show u how overrated passing yards only are

[@JarMadeIt]

The truth about Herbert is his teams defense has ranked last in the league and he’s done more than enough to win a lot of the games. Not once will you hear anyone discuss the unreal amount of injuries or the team giving up the most passing yards per game in league history. Outside of a handful of guys, no QB could carry the chargers very far

[@warriorjennings2733]

Welcome to the Aaron Rodgers experience

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

So what happened when that last ranked defense got Trevor Lawrence to turn the ball over 4 times in the first half and yet Justin Herbert couldn’t even hold the lead or add onto it

[@Firestorm2814Sector]

Y’all be riding Herbert so hard lol Dolphins are 5-2 with a mix matched O-Line, defense missing both starting corners, and more. Enough with the excuses

[@johnnybeatmaker330]

Peyton manning and drew Brees lead great teams with bad defenses all the time. Yall make z million excuses for him

[@yungkells92]

@@johnnybeatmaker330 who were their coaches?

[@treysmith5893]

He’s just like what I say about my own qb in dak … DONT SHOW UP WHEN YOU NEED HIM… coming from a Herbert fan💯

[@jakey8013]

Bro Dak takes the Cowboys to the playoffs every single year. Hes a clear winner. Cowboys fans are extremely weird and disloyal????

[@treysmith5893]

@@jakey8013 your right and I said that but I’m talking about games like last year in the playoffs against the 49ers .. dak had so many chances to win us that game and he didn’t.. it’s not about being disloyal it’s about being honest with yourself and as of lately dak doesn’t show up

[@foodielifemac]

@@treysmith5893he obviously showed up to beat Herbert and he obviously showed up against the Bucs to retire Brady. Justin Herbert has a losing record for his career, Dak doesn’t have a losing season. Dak needs to win more consistently in the playoffs, Justin Herbert needs to win regular season games consistently to even have a chance to make the playoffs.

[@treysmith5893]

@@foodielifemac I literally said that can you not read bro??

[@anthonymann3413]

Don't forget Dak is under the double standard rule

[@jahitrotter4734]

Joy can’t even bring up gobbling without looking at Shady like 😏👀🤣🤣🤣 They got some ‘splaining to do 😭

[@21nitsua]

I noticed they didn't mention Dak and the Cowboys when talking about qb wins and criticism. They still mad 😂

[@DaNumba1Rapper]

Acho saying "Jesus Christ" at 15:04 when James Jones just isn't getting it...we all been there lol

[@williamhoward3926]

Herbert = Detroit Stafford

[@brandonmitchell6351]

Can’t agree more. I’m a chargers fan and the organization is dragging them down

[@soda8736]

Herbert = Deshaun .. The media loved Deshaun before his mess yet he never really won anything.

[@anti-classist]

Joy says Hurts can throw 2 ints and his team can still win... but if Herbert throws 2 the game is over... how did she not see she is saying his team sucks not him?

[@northside4767]

Hurts can find ways to turn around subpar days. Herbert finds ways to choke away what were otherwise good outings.

[@benten1453]

Hurts also has brotherly shove to bail him out of tough situations...yesterday the eagles did the rush push from their own 23 to get a new set of downs. If that isn't extreme confidence, I dont know what is

[@twoquickii1330]

@@benten1453 Yeah, it does help when you basically have 4 downs all the time as long as you get it to 4th and short!

[@anti-classist]

@northside4767 then why does Herbert have more come backs than hurts?

[@The-Heart-Will-Testify]

Because hurts does a lot more than just passing ..he can also rush for yards, Herbert cant

[@QuintonALovett]

Overrated isn’t abad word.. simply put it means is the player is “overrated” based on the hype from the media, or even the praise they receive (based on potential without results). Justin is Uber talented but right now overrated.. that can change but right now he is!!

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

It’s been 4 years

[@ThePrincekollie]

“Are we really putting this all on Herbert” yes he’s the only person on the team that’s able to get 200 million plus contract and if they were winning Justin would get all the praise.

[@TheYoungKidC]

No other top 7 QB has to play with a bottom 5 defense and a bottom 5 head coach. That’s a lot to overcome.

[@jordanb.8746]

Matt Ryan did for years... He took a 27th ranked defense to the Superbowl (despite 28-3)... He constantly had to win game with god awful defenses and average coaching for years and he did what he could for the most part... The excuses for Herbert is crazy

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

Patrick Mahomes in his first season as the starter got the 32nd ranked defense to the AFC Championship Game

[@yungkells92]

Shanahan@@jordanb.8746

[@yungkells92]

Andy Reid, and that team had just went to playoffs with Alex Smith@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m

[@TheYoungKidC]

@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m chiefs team defense was ranked 24th. That’s not bottom 5 or even bottom 10. He also had arguably the best coach of all time in Andy Reid, arguably the best tight end of all time in travis kelce, and a top 10 all time receiver in Tyreek hill

[@eslakerfan]

WHAT DO YALL MEAN HE DOESN'T WIN, HE WON THE GAME WITH A 50 YARD BOMB THIS YEAR WITH A BROKEN FINGER. HE ALSO WENT 40/47 AND 3 TDS IN ANOTHER GAME THIS YEAR TO WIN

[@antionejackson4848]

Funny how he didn't mention Trevor but he mentioned Tua. Trevor won a playoff game Tua hasn't even made it to the playoffs

[@giffondhall9214]

I am glad acho said it because I have been saying since day one

[@percyvaughan]

Eli Manning has 2 Superbowl rings. But he is a career 0.500 if I remember. Justin Herbert has MVP like potential....but the pass defense last in the NFL? Playoff game vs. Jags? Defense got smoked then and now. He needs better overall stability.

[@kingnovi9404]

0 points in the second half

[@JewdahRize-me5or]

He's not Eli 😂

[@jamesvanderwire4667]

Call me when Herbert can make a star out of a nobody like O'Dell Beckham like Eli Manning did.

[@eslakerfan]

MFER BROUGHT UP HE "HAS THE BALL IN HIS HANDS TO WIN" AND PROCEEDED TO MENTION HE GOT SACKED THREE STRAIGHT TIMES. YEAHHHH THATS HIS FAULT PROBABLY THE BEST QB IN THE LEAGUE MOVING IN THE POCKET AND AVOIDING SACKS. NOT TO MENTION HE DROPPED 30+ POINTS THAT GAME

[@a-train990]

It's funny they don't talk about his o-line problems and offensive coordinator who doesn't call right plays at right time

[@karlthetroof]

That's Kellen Moore. Kellen is great at designing and calling plays. But he's not good at calling plays in succession. He has zero feel for the flow of the game.

[@yremogtnomnad]

Acho goin "Jesus Christ" killed me 🤣🤣

[@CJ739]

Lmfao yeah that was hilarious

[@samuelrevolus9015]

That's a terrible take. 2 head coaches. 3 OCs and a terrible defense. This panel knows better

[@jamestaylor2979]

Mayb he has sumn to do with it??? Hes the only common denominator 😂💁🏾‍♂️

[@samuelrevolus9015]

@@jamestaylor2979 yeah he got drafted by a historically bad organization. Wasting his talent

[@jamestaylor2979]

@@samuelrevolus9015 excuse after excuse

[@rellfacts279]

Late in games with the ball in his hands. Interceptions. Interceptions. Interceptions.

[@jrfly4307]

Justin has all the Talent and Tools ... but he is missing the "IT" factor, not a killer edge to him and hasnt produced wins. Facts 💯

[@ForsakenWar]

Exactly 👍

[@JoeHinesFla]

Homeboy is in his feels

[@hollandc147]

Herbert has the potential, I think he’s missing that leadership factor. Downplay it all you want but team chemistry is very important, it’s the same thing that got Russell Wilson in his mess. Herbert needs to connect more with his guys.

[@crypto_thug9218]

Seen something like chargers are on pace to have the worst pass defense in nfl history that’s wild. That’s putting too much pressure on the offense. Even TB12 ain’t getting a game winning drive every week. Herbert has the most game winning drives it’s soo much he can do defense needs to take pressure off him can’t be in a close game every week.

[@yeoshuahearn]

That’s crazy. I believe pat had the 31st ranked defense his first year starting and took them to the afc championship but hey Herbert is a top five qb thought.

[@warriorjennings2733]

Welcome to the Aaron Rodgers experience

[@yungkells92]

Andy Reid vs Brandon Staley? @@yeoshuahearn

[@joshlugo5629]

​@@yeoshuahearnnever happened thats not true

[@TheRealYoungOz]

@@yeoshuahearnbut that defense didn’t give up points that’s a big diff

[@kevingraves8196]

Kevin Durant would have been Tmac 2.0 without steph. Herbert is Philip Rivers 2.0.

[@kingnovi9404]

Besides the 4 scoring titles, multiple second and third round appearances finals appearance and mvp right?

[@TheInterestedObserver]

Justin Herbert is not overrated or over-praised, he is a top class talent, is second in the league with yards and sixth with touchdowns. He also has the best start to a career we have seen statistically *ever* Despite all this he is at the Chargers and their 'throw it away' DNA has cost him at least eight wins since he's been there maybe a few more. He could be sat on 35-20 right now instead it is 27-28.

[@dennismagee9555]

When is winning become a factor??? Talent should lead to wins. You can't keep being talented and not winning games.

[@JewdahRize-me5or]

Name one big game he's won...I'll wait 😂

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

Herbert and his fans ONLY care about stats. That's it 😂😂As long as he throws for 300 yards he is all good. Forget about winning games. Just look good while losing and they will make excuses 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿

[@adrianedwards6046]

Borrow took the bengals worst to first try again 😊

[@TheInterestedObserver]

@@dennismagee9555 Deshawn Watson had like 5000 yards in the air and 800 on the ground and the Texans were 4-12, you can be good and the team trash. OF course the QB gets all the praise and all the blame but nuance says he is good.and the chargers are not good *enough*

[@outbreak8184]

Herbert is a good player he needs a great coach

[@markjones2518]

That’s what I’m saying it’s the same situation Philip Rivers was in

[@James-jr8yo]

Herbert has the same problem that Josh Allen has and even Peyton Manning would have from time to time. He tries to play hero ball and makes bad decisions trying to force the ball to do things it can't do. He does more it more than most though.

[@joshlugo5629]

herbert just has a defense problem actually

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@joshlugo5629 So when the defense did their job how come he can’t deliver?

[@joshlugo5629]

@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m when the defense did their job they put up 27 that half, what are you talking about???? herbert is 22-5 when his defense doesnt give up 27+ thats doing the job, anything else

[@joereyna87]

I liked the show❤

[@flameofelijah]

If JH had a decent offensive line and an intelligent head coach then he would be a top THREE talent

[@johnnybeatmaker330]

They got probowl tackled though

[@joshlugo5629]

​@@johnnybeatmaker330this doesnt mean anything as a group they are a bad oline

[@johnnybeatmaker330]

@joshlugo5629 I just here excuses man I'm sorry. He going to get another coach fired again

[@soda8736]

For all who want to make it racial, the media hyped Deshaun who put up garbage stats and never won anything before all his mess, saying he was top 3- 5 coming after a 4 -12 season.. i see the same with Herbert.

[@dwaynescott7111]

Facts

[@Sir-Drago]

“Leave the victories out of it, it’s a team sport”… that’s hilarious.. because if Lamar came into this season to off 0-2 and then by week 7 he was 2-4.. I can almost guarantee y’all would be on that panel saying “When a team gives you that much money, they’re paying you to win games for them”.. HERBERT DOES NOT DO THAT!!.. HE DOESN’T WIN GAMES!

[@gonzolo4]

Acho spitting facts.

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

He is a TIK TOK QB. Some people only care about stats. Wins don't matter. If you throw 300 yards they don't care if you win or not. Just look good losing

[@anti-classist]

He doesn't even have social media... he doesn't even care about it... just winning.

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

​@@anti-classisthe isnt winning😀😀😀he only cares about throwing for 300 yards and looking good losing. Winning isn't a big deal to him or his fans

[@chikushodiz91]

@@RUTHLESSambition5it’s hard to win when your defense can’t makes stops and give up mad points

[@chikushodiz91]

@@RUTHLESSambition5lol look at dak he can’t win in the playoffs when his defense plays great 😂😂😂

[@chikushodiz91]

@@RUTHLESSambition5name a quarterback that wins with a all time bad defense on passing

[@tstaches10]

PREACH Acho!!! 👍

[@quisakacupid]

“Shady I can say what I want around here ok!!” lmmfaoooooo

[@James-100]

I like Herbert and hope he turns it around. But as it stands right now, Acho is correct. Herbert looks lost, produced enough wins, and his stats have rapidly declined. Plus, he's making poor decisions like trying to force tight window throws to Allen into double coverage when he has other receivers who are wide open. As Acho says, he just doesn't have the IT factor. Hopefully that changes.

[@Puffthefan]

Herbert is overrated for one reason and it’s simple he play’s terrible situation football you can’t argue that that’s what separates all the other QBs it’s situational football that’s the most important part at quarterbacking that’s why he loses so much

[@shayeasy]

Last year after the Chiefs beat the Chargers in prime time, Jason Garrett said he would take Herbert over any QB in the league, including Mahomes, if he was starting a team. Mike Tannenbaum said the same thing multiple times on ESPN a year ago. No QB has ever been hyped up as much while achieving as little.

[@eslakerfan]

Give him Travis Kelce and Andy Reid/ Tyreek Hill

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

@@eslakerfan He has Keenan Allen, Mike Williams even though he’s on ir, Tre Palmer Austin Ekeler etc so he has enough weapons plus Mahomes won MVP and Super Bowl MVP last season without a wide receiver even making the pro bowl

[@SportscadiaProductions]

@@LeetraviusMcKay-q6mGerald Everett too

[@ForsakenWar]

​@@eslakerfan😂And Herbert STILL gonna be a .500 QB... He ain't got 'It'... sorry kid.

[@TheMan-sj3ez]

Shady and james both of them said it perfectly.

[@tonystaton9583]

Justin Herbert is the new Philip Rivers

[@HardCold-Alquan]

Excuses would be made for Allen. I always maintained that Allen was not much better than his former understudy in Matt Barkley. Allen got the job, but can't do anything with it but to sell tickets for The Bills.

[@edoardovicario4837]

He's both. And the overrating comes directly from the overpraising. If you rated him correctly, you wouldn't overpraise him.

[@hakeemw8910]

Joy moving crazy at the end icl 😂

[@ForsakenWar]

Acho speaking truth... 'It' is the deciding factor with these QBs...

[@anthonycummings5811]

“28th Defense” 😂😂

[@MrMsustate]

James is protecting Herbert like he’s his child 😂😂😂

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

Herbert and his supporters ONLY care about stats. Winning games doesnt matter to herbert. As long as he throws 300 yards he is good

[@joshlugo5629]

22-5 when his defense doesnt give up 27+

[@jeremiahmartin7719]

Dak > Herbert

[@HasanJason-qq9sv]

Now look y'all don't wanna talk about Lamar he killed the lions

[@royjones0824]

He’s Philip rivers 2.0 nothing wrong with that but y’all need to also understand that’s his ceiling

[@wc1994]

Even Rivers won at least one playoff game. I agree with you, until Herbert wins the big game he's Rivers 2.0

[@derekwetherington1221]

Football is a team game, wins should not be a factor in how we determine whether Herbert is overrated or not. The issues the Chargers are having are not because of Herbert, Look. at Burrow, Tua, and Hurts all three have coaches who know what they are doing and this is Herbert's thiird offensive coordinator in 4 years in the NFL.

[@boutabagg6640]

I like speak cuz the way the debate we can actually side with someone at the table. And have favorite. Sometimes that’s a good thing to keep the viewers. I personally think speak is top 3 on fs1 over fisrt things first.

[@seanc6754]

Oh that's hilarious because I'm pretty sure I remember when mahomes lost to Brady in the super bowl All everybody did was blame the offensive line.. so as usual the media talks out both sides of their mouth

[@arjanmoore5522]

As a chargers fan i agree a lot of this is on Herbert he needs to step it up but he definitely not being over praised this season

[@iotatl]

James was fighting for his life in that segment! LMAO! James never addressed the multiple 4th quarter failures from his "special top 5 QB"

[@lucasandrews578]

Best NFL show!

[@kidKrazy8]

Herbert has been over-rated and over praised. He is supposedly better than Lamar. Some in the comment section keep talking about his surroundings. Every excuse is made for this dude. He has this Stat, that Stat, he can really throw the football. With all that, he can't win games. Lamar has stats and accomplishments and can really throw the football. What's the difference no matter what Lamar has willed his team. They blamed Lamar for a loss when his recievers had all those drops. Lamar took a team that was decimated on offense and defense to the top of the AFC and was injured, and they blamed him because he was injured. They say blame Lamar for being injured on a late hit that took him out for the season, and he was a top runner for MVP. When he's been in the Ravens, he has won in spite of. But when it cones to Herbert and a roster better than the Ravens, it's not Herbert it's the team. The proof is in the pudding with all those stats and a losing record. He doesn't have that Houston Texans roster that Deshaun had. Chargers roster is a heck of a lot better. Offensive and Defensive. Wins and losses matter. Then, people will be quick to fire back. Lamar doesn't have the playoff wins or conference championship. He's been to the playoffs, but what is the context behind those losses. He got the Ravens in the playoffs before going down with the injuries. Herbert, no playoffs, no wins when it matters. He is over-rated and overpaid.

[@boutabagg6640]

Acho won this debate his ending argument solidified it