Chargers wasting Justin Herbert & is it time to 'blow it up' after loss vs. Packers? | NFL | SPEAK

Emmanuel Acho, LeSean McCoy, James Jones and Joy Taylor discuss the Los Angeles Chargers. The Chargers were defeated by the Green Bay Packers in Week 11, marking their 2nd consecutive loss. The Speak cast decide if the Chargers are wasting Justin Herbert’s prime and should the team head into to a different direction.
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[@Rickane503]

"He can't get it done" Keenan drops a wide open TD, ekeler fumbles in the red zone, johnston drops potential game winning deep ball. Multiple dropped 3rd down conversion passes.

[@giffondhall9214]

Excuses

[@DiegoDL7997]

​@@giffondhall9214Those aren't excuses...GTFOH. let's not be dishonest.

[@cheaton75]

​@@giffondhall9214- those are actually legitimate things that happened in the game. Are you trolling?

[@MrJpaynebb]

​@@giffondhall9214did you not see the highlights. It doesn't matter if this was Mahomes as QB. When receivers keep dropping passes what can he do?

[@joshfirestine3158]

@@cheaton75yes. All that happened

[@roguecop8633]

Acho cited the Miami game as evidence for Herbert letting the team down. He doesn't mention the fact that the defense surrendered almost 600 yds of offense.....Also he didn't go to the best situation. Remember this is the same organization that Eil Manning refused to go to.....Acho has to be trolling for reactions.

[@ROCKBETHENAME]

But they still had a chance to go down the field & win but they went 3 & out did they not???

[@nickscaglione9906]

@@ROCKBETHENAME 1st down intentional grounding , 2nd down sack , 3rd down 17 yard completion , 4th down sack. 3 downs of no protection.

[@MrJpaynebb]

A few weeks ago Acho talked about what makes a great coach. 1 of the criteria was taking care of their side of the team as Head Coach. Staley comes from the defense side of football. He still calls the defense most of the game. 2022 best year so far for his defense and they were 21st in points and 20th in yards allowed per game to opponents. That's not good. Herbert does make mistakes and has room to grow but can he get a defense that cracks the top 20 in the league from his defensive minded head coach?

[@Leo_dont_shoot_video]

Yeah... no. The talent level in 2004 (Eli's draft year) was pathetic. The talent in 2020 was significantly better.

[@kennethgriggs7951]

Herbert sure does get all the excuses .

[@AscendAR]

James Jones is the only one who makes sense

[@ThatJerkDude]

Facts !!

[@fwkira864]

glazing

[@gudzillaman4548]

I've watched the Chargers waste Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Ladanian Tomlinson... etc. It doesn't surprise me they'd waste Herbert too. I'm a long time Charger fan and I hate to admit it but Eli was right about not coming here.

[@aimlessmatt9432]

Agreed

[@paperhandpapi]

This hurts.

[@dallashanson_]

How? They were successful but couldn’t get it done in the playoff

[@izrealtruefelicis3309]

@@dallashanson_Chargers? Successful? What year is it?

[@dawgpoundcle9187]

@@izrealtruefelicis3309 yup they always folded in the playoffs

[@nickscaglione9906]

In herberts first 3 seasons the chargers have scored 1233 points ( most in nfl history in 3 year span) , in that same 3 year span the chargers have given up 1256 points (also most in nfl history in a 3 year span) . I think that says it all doesnt it? I can tell these guys dont watch the games. Herberts been balling with a broken finger and make shift o line. Gtfoh with the herbert slander. Fire staley.

[@itoo3654]

But what about the lack of WINS?

[@nickscaglione9906]

@@itoo3654 less points for , than against , results in a loss

[@anti-classist]

​@@itoo3654what a stupid question after thar fact.

[@itoo3654]

@@anti-classist WINS aren't stupid, denial is.

[@FlameofDemocracy]

Run the ball. Football is about balance.

[@Andarath69]

Nobody can blame Herbert for the Packer game. As a Packers fan, Herbert's team SOLD on him so hard. Dude made a beautiful pass that proly ends in a TD to win, and his WR just forgets how to catch.

[@Lauren-cc7yr]

Acho's take On Herbert doesn't even make sense 😂.

[@giffondhall9214]

Why not?

[@77waygodh11]

Hating ahh practice squad player

[@takeasip4403]

They needa drug test that n*gga 😑 he said that with a straight face

[@DexterDavis-li4kk]

How does he mention Miami, as if it weren’t almost the same game as the one they just played against the Lions 🤦‍♂️ ridiculous take. The defense gave up so many yards. The offense scored enough points to win the game.

[@Nick2014B]

Herbert never gets frustrated and now you just see it all over his face it’s sad smh he literally should never miss the playoffs with that amount of talent. Just crazy

[@357say]

Excuses Excuses 😂😂 Overrated Overrated 😂😂

[@B_T.E.A.M.]

He’s never frustrated because he ain't no dawg 😂😂😂 and playoffs every year? The AFC has too many elite QBs for that to happen.

[@PactWitDaRacks]

I want 1 person to name a great QB that won it all or made a deep run with a literal bottom pass and run defense

[@ibaconbits8997]

Yall remember when Mahomes didn't have an OL? Most teams don't have any talent but a way better O line. Guys haven't had a 1000yrd rusher in idk how many years and they have the QB swimming through people since Rivers. I said he shouldn't have resigned Telesco needed to go

[@B_T.E.A.M.]

@raingerrr If Patrick Mahomes played for the Chargers this year I can guarantee they would have a winning record and a good shot at going to the Super Bowl despite having Brandon Staley as an HC. Different Breed.

[@BillyBong]

Acho doesn't even believe what he's saying.

[@TheInterestedObserver]

Emmanuel Baylis never believes what he is saying, it's hot-take theatre for heated television debate a la Skip Bayliss

[@roguecop8633]

@@TheInterestedObserver exactly

[@user-cc7ho4ce9z]

You're a hater bro, on what reasoning can you say that. Do you know him/talk to him?

[@BillyBong]

@@user-cc7ho4ce9z awe

[@princecheck11]

yall sound hurt fr 😂

[@JJM_PNW]

Every single other sports show, FIRE Staley. I came here because I know that they were Herbert haters expecting the same message…nope. Somehow it always comes back to being Herbert’s fault. I gotta give them credit for being consistent. 😂 😂😂😂😂

[@AceGarcia23]

Joy and James the only ones with some coagent analysis. Shady has turned into a QB wins guy and Acho just hates Herbert for some unknown reason.

[@17arando]

The problem is that if Herbert doesn't close it out, literally no one else ever does. Every other team Acho listed others step up. Herbert is the only player that has to end things perfectly if he is going to win. Because his coach nearly always makes the wrong defensive calls and mismanages downs and clocks on offense. So either Herbert plays perfectly at the end, because it's pretty much always close since there's no defense, or they lose.

[@MrRandomPrankster]

Literally the only game Herbert’s had anyone else step up is the jets game the defense played good. Any other game if Herbert isn’t 95-97% perfect, it’s an automatic loss.

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

@@MrRandomPranksterIt’s like they forget that the other times that the Chargers defense held the other team to 20 points, Herbert throws a game winning int

[@serg2gr831]

Silo he has to “end things” EVERY GAME?????

[@serg2gr831]

And that’s his fault????? No qb can have a game winning drive EVERY GAME…..be realistic

[@serg2gr831]

@@user-lt1fx2he5she has the most game winning drives since he started…..on pace to pass Tom Brady for being clutch. Wonder why??? Anything other dumb comment you wanna add?

[@dayv619]

Lmao Acho said they need to get rid of Herbert what a clown

[@giffondhall9214]

He ain't the solution either

[@night_wolf6621]

@@giffondhall9214He’s apart of the solution he’s for sure not apart of the problem

[@codywirth8190]

@@giffondhall9214 There is no solution to historically bad defense, numb nuts.

[@dayv619]

Acho is a Herbert hater and clearly roots for his to fail which is kinda of sad to see, true Chargers fans know what's really up, 2nd worst ranked defense, terrible coaching decisions, horrible injuries to key players, I'm thankful atleast Herbert is willing to play with broken ribs, broken fingers, that dude is warrior@@giffondhall9214

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

@@night_wolf6621You do realize in one score game Herbert either turns the ball over or overthrows his receivers

[@brandonsprickman372]

How has Herbert been the problem this year? He's balling. Ya'll dont watch the games

[@johnnybuchananjr9344]

he balled every game? defense didnt lose them the game everytime

[@nolimitcrane3937]

@@johnnybuchananjr9344 if we being fr if the chargers didnt have herb this team would lose every game

[@that_dudemr1286]

@@johnnybuchananjr9344I say about 3 games might have of been his fault. Jets, raiders, and KC. But the others idk especially when they had J Love lookin like Aaron Rodgers out there lol 300 yards passing from him? And no picks???? Yeah that’s crazy honestly

[@nickscaglione9906]

​@@that_dudemr1286 they beat the jets and the raiders , but yea he didnt play well in those games.

[@gclay3176]

There’s literally 4 games where the ball was in his hands to go win in.. he lost all of them .. he wins those they would be in the playoffs .. he’s a choke artist

[@christiansalt8079]

4 tds dropped and a fumble at the 2 but yeah Herbert is horrible😂😵‍💫

[@brentlee082]

Herbert just needs an average defense

[@Arelius_02]

And a average o line too his is so bad dude be running for his life

[@brentlee082]

@@Arelius_02 and a running back that can run up gut for 4 yards

[@johneaston918]

Steelers?

[@hinata365247]

Mahomes?

[@whodafokisdisguy5851]

3 dropped TDs but its herberts fault!

[@oronmurphy3724]

Yeah, that game!😳 What gives him immunity?

[@dthom71]

It's been 4 years...CJ Stroud aint complainin about dropped balls.

[@TheKaoticivory]

Wen Lamar had 3 td drops vs the Steelers the media still said is ravens getting the money worth out of him… so numb that Herbert needs that smoke because I’m 2000 % sure if u put Lamar on chargers they be playoff bound

[@Trina78]

@@TheKaoticivoryfacts

[@brandonmiranda3046]

@@TheKaoticivoryzero chance they making the playoffs with Lamar or anyone else that defense is made of paper

[@rorysheehan9203]

Has Herbert ever let the chargers down? Yes. Have the chargers EVER bailed out Herbert? No.

[@martin9410]

I've watched Herbert play and I'm amazed at what he can do. He can't control his receivers dropping balls, or badly designed plays, etc.

[@ROCKBETHENAME]

The last game but what about the other 7 games acho spoke on??? No comment or???

[@blendin4865]

he played good in those games, he lead the O to 50 points no TOs over the first 2 weeks and was 0-2. Achos a drama major. @@ROCKBETHENAME

[@codywirth8190]

@@ROCKBETHENAMEyou mean where they're still top 6 in offense? What about it, numb nuts?

[@rubenmireles5545]

He did get injured, look at burrow. He barely got back on track against the rams

[@dallashanson_]

Lamar had all that against him

[@KingDeezy700]

Acho is competing with Skip Bayless for Worst Sports Analyst at this Point 😪

[@josecardoza5793]

Something happened between Acho and Herbert. There’s no way the hate that deep, because he defends Watson and he sucks no lie

[@Timmeh_The_tyrant]

Acho is a racist.

[@tobyk756]

joy with an excellent take, absolutely fair and accurate, thanks so much ms. taylor, from a huge herbert stan!!

[@codywirth8190]

She's a Herbert hater, blaming him for every loss like they don't have a historically bad defense.

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

@@codywirth8190Dude there have been games where the defense held their own and Herbert either threw it to the other team or overthrew his own receivers

[@codywirth8190]

@@user-lt1fx2he5s You'd overthrow it too on occasion if you were assailed every play, had mangled bodyparts and had to press every down.

[@kingnt3769]

@@user-lt1fx2he5sthe only singular game i can think of is vs cowboys.

[@iceice021]

Joy knows ball, but sometimes she goes over the top and loses me. But she's solid. Shady's the one who sucks.

[@LookAtMills]

Mahomes’ receivers drop balls that could end the game: “What more does Mahomes need to do?” Herbert’s receivers drop balls that could end the game AND the defense is swiss cheese: “Herbert can’t get it done” Make it make sense!

[@megatron3437]

IMO i think both players launching it like a missile is responsible for most of the dropped balls...Just lob it to the open guy😂😂😂

[@cowboysone4370]

As a cowboys fan I obv watched the chargers cowboys game this year. He missed multiple wide open throws to Keenan Allen that would of changed the game.

[@Timmeh_The_tyrant]

​@@cowboysone4370true. He was messed up that game. I think his fi ger was in pain all the time. His throws were off during that entire stretch.

[@cowboysone4370]

@@Timmeh_The_tyrant oh yeah I forgot about his finger that could be it also

[@martinsleight321]

It's this simple for me. You put Herbert in the Bengals, the Eagles, the Bills, the Chiefs.... he gets a SB appearance if not a trophy. Because of the coach, and a good enough defense.

[@Bandicoot19]

It’s not even just that he’s got one of if not the worst rushing games in the league, his O-line is absolutely dogshit outside of Slater and he’s only got 1 competent receiving option in Keenan. People have this weird idea that Herbert is in a good situation but it’s so far from the truth it’s laughable

[@raideraaron9702]

Or maybe the raiders

[@anhl5091]

HISTORICALLY bad defenses I might add. If you gotta score 28 ppg to win is not a sustainable O. Just a mid-level D and he is in the AFCCG every year.

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

If I put Herbert on the Bengals they don’t even go to a Super Bowl or two straight AFC championship games

[@martinsleight321]

@@user-lt1fx2he5s Maybe not as they are right now, but I'm holding my opinion on them to see how they came out of this difficulty. It'll be very telling.

[@JonKlinkel]

Having receivers drop the ball and blaming that on Herbert is a bit much, though - which happened in some of those games Acho wanted to blame on Herbert.

[@monochrome493]

FUNNY YOU NEVER HEAR THESE EXCUSES FOR LAMAR AND HIS TEAM HAS HAD AND CURRENTLY DO MORE INJURIES THAN ALL THESE GREAT ANGLO SAXON QB'S

[@Bandicoot19]

@@monochrome493why do Lamar fans have such a victim complex?

[@JonKlinkel]

@@monochrome493 funny how Mar-Mar was GIVEN an MVP because he's black and had 13 pro-bowlers on his team. Funny how he can't seem to do anything in the playoffs....why is that? Oh, maybe because he's not a good QUARTERBACK. That's why they wanted to change his position coming out of college. He hasn't proven ANY of them wrong, by the way. You're an idiot if you think he has. The only people that say things like what you just said are absolute racists. The best BLACK quarterback of all time is Warren Moon - and it's not even CLOSE for #2. Running ability has no bearing on whether someone is a good QUARTERBACK. It can be HELPFUL but if that's all you have going for you, you're not going to fare very well in the playoffs - and Mar-Mar hasn't. If he was GOOD, he'd have won at least 2 Super Bowls, by now, with all the talent he's had playing with him. All the b.s. about not having good players - nice false narrative the media and, as a result, you duped race-baiter fans spew, constantly - is just that: B.S. The problem with that is that the talent around him has always been some of the best in the NFL. They just don't look that way because of HIM. They win IN SPITE of him, not BECAUSE of him. Joe Flacco won the Super Bowl....all you racists want to talk about how much better Mar-Mar is...well, why can't HE win the Super Bowl? Stop crying about injuries. Every team has those. It's because he's not good. PERIOD.

[@anti-classist]

​@@monochrome493bruh Herbert fans ain't Lamar haters... most of us like lamar... your beef is with the media not Herbert.

[@ChrisH421]

​@@Bandicoot19why do you feel the need to try to insult fans of a certain player🤔

[@brentlee082]

Herbert put them ahead by 4 with 2 min left and then hit QJ to win the game and he plane dropped it

[@jasperg6772]

Did yall even watch the game or just looked at the box score and the final score? This man has the audacity to blame Herbert for the loss against GB. At this point, he's just bias af

[@crypto_thug9218]

Qbs don’t have perfect games every week but it feels like Justin Herbert has to overcome he’s opponents he’s teammates and he’s coach. Mahomes went 3 and out Vs dolphins at the end of the 4th he’s defense stepped up and won him the game. Goff had a terrible game with 3 picks yesterday and he still won

[@MrRandomPrankster]

Herbert throws 1 pick during the game it’s basically over. If he has 2 or 1 int and a fumble it’s an automatic loss. Other QBs can have a bad game and win. Herbert cannot due to his team/defense.

[@mattszalay8819]

His* His* His* His*

[@MrEmmanuelmack]

Welcome to Lamar's reality

[@hinata365247]

I understand but mahomes had been bailing out his team for 5 years. If it wasn't for mahomes chiefs wouldn't had that much success without mahomes these last 5 years.

[@sd5775]

@@hinata365247 Mahomes has the best coach in the game though. Herbert has Staley.

[@georgeflores2410]

Acho is full of so much… I’m not even gonna say it. But god I’m over this guy, I honestly expected him to actually say something good about Hebert after these past 2 games especially after his tweet yesterday. Instead he come out here with big ego McCoy and talk trash about him. The chargers franchise is and has been terrible for how many decades, it has had Fautes and rivers and only been to 1 super bowl. There’s literally a stat that the chargers have the most one score loses, so don’t be only saying burrow and hurts had went to a bad situation. Hurts went to a franchise that had won a super bowl not that long ago and the eagles were never a bad franchise. The nfc is terrible so you would expect the eagles to be good, the only team that competed with them is the 49ers and the cowboys to a extent. So they’re not even taking anything into perspective.

[@codywirth8190]

Acho is apparently buds with Staley. And he used Herbert as his nostrodomus "big take" knowing full well no one cant win in this scenario with this team so he's trying to look like a genius. And Joy is a Miami fan so she's desperate to crown Tua better than Herbert.

[@corning1]

He’s just playing devils advocate to make the show turn. He doesn’t think Herbert is a bad qb. Nobody that is sane thinks that.

[@codywirth8190]

@@corning1 "Social media QB" "Overrated" "Can't win"

[@corning1]

@@codywirth8190 skip says the same thing about Lebron. Do you really thinks he means them? Common man open your eyes. This is a drama show. You can’t have all 4 agree on a topic.

[@corning1]

@@codywirth8190 acho has picked his Lebron.. Rob Parker and Brady… etc etc

[@dallasgrimm1460]

Acho has always hated Herbert...the stats prove it Stephen A. Smith showed the stats when Herbert has started 25.3 ppg and in that same time frame defense has allowed 25.4 ppg. That is a glaring

[@daquaylenavie3740]

They need to get rid of Staley I’ve been saying why did they bring him back on. He’s a defensive head coach yet they’re defense is ranked at the bottom with all the talent they have.

[@JJM_PNW]

Acho hates Herbert.

[@heimpai2282]

He hated Herbert before the draft.

[@DominicRogers-gs1fm]

The entire nfl fanbase hates Herbert for some reason

[@gclay3176]

Herbert is paid to be the equalizer… your team is not always gonna be perfect .. every QB in the NFL don’t have a great defense

[@sparaz]

Why everyone judging herbert when he literally threw 4 perfect passes that were all dropped by recievers and his defense (when's he off the field) allows 900 yards over two games. Stop blaming the qb who has 4th most yards in nfl history at his point in his career versus a team who can't do what they need to do

[@Seburrito]

Herbert is an elite qb. Point. Blank. Period. He’s an elite qb, but every team needs support. No one is questioning Mahomes for not finishing even when his defense does good. Great players can only do so much when he’s 1 of 53 on a roster.

[@maniacslap1623]

The Herbert hate is crazy. I think Mahomes this year should tell all of us something. If that defense wasn’t ballin out, Mahomes by himself would not be able to elevate that offense to victory. Coincidentally, this is the worst line and group of pass catchers he’s ever had. And that’s Mahomes. Marino never won it all but don’t nobody doubt his greatness. If Herbert plays another 10 years at his current level, rather he wins the big one or not, I don’t think anybody would doubt he was great.

[@trevorsanso32]

"I've only ever seen Hurts let the Eagles down once" Uhmm how about the SB where he literally dropped the ball and kicked it backwards

[@TheInterestedObserver]

Herbert is definitely top ten and probably top five in this league, some franchises are just trash, like The Bears, The Panthers, The Browns, The Chargers and it starts right at the very top with ownership. Poor decisions , antiquated practices and outlook holding them from their potential despite doing some things really well like in the case of The Browns and Chargers excellent roster building. If Staley was the DC he'd already be fired.

[@nonchalantguy7008]

I say just replace Staley with Brian Flores and that team probably makes the playoffs next year.

[@CHAMP_theBULLDOG27]

I wouldn’t mind brian

[@samki9807]

I don’t know how Acho can have this take on Herbert Bru 😂😂

[@user-vn1vx4ey5p]

Bro been hating on him before the draft - he’s doing everything to prove his pre-draft takes right and makes himself every racists’ favorite black dude.

[@pacificbeatz5440]

So if Mike Tomlin had Herbert the Steelers would be worse and losing? Stop this madness! Herbert needs a grown man coach like all these other dudes and teach him.

[@johneaston918]

What if Steelers traded for Herbert?

[@mrjonsey]

If I’m the Chargers I’m going hard after Belichick. You have the talent on the roster, you just need the coach.

[@leverfnosac6923]

Shady and Joy just need to be given their own show already. The way Acho speaks is NOT the natural way people converse. I like First Things First because it's NATURAL.

[@luiscarlosdelarosalanguasc8875]

Acho sometimes talks football with so much knowledge and then talks like someone who’s never seen a game of football in his life

[@AceGarcia23]

You can tell these people do ZERO research when actually talking about these topics. Anyone with eyes that work, who watched that game will tell you Herbert got let down by every single player. I never like using PFF grades, but go take a look at the team grades from yesterday and see the difference in first and second. Spoiler alert, Herbert was number 1. THAT is the definition of Herbert's career.

[@darkstar5058]

they arent bring up the fact that the defense is 31ST ON DEFENSE, and james jones actually understands it

[@Reaps619]

Acho just speaks to speak. The show name fits 🤣

[@captainwest8916]

Chargers always do this. Doesn’t matter who is at qb or what talent they have, they always do this. At some point you have the blame the higher ups

[@martinsleight321]

I mean, if that's how the dude handles the press, my god, imagine the locker room? Madness. Herbert was great last night and the players just weren't there. It was like he was throwing to statues. The defense had plenty of chances to save the offense, that's the issue. Staley has consistently let down their offense, which is 7th in the league. It's clearly Staley not being qualified.

[@HereWeGooo4]

Herbert gets the same pass as Josh Allen and i dont get it let it be Dak or Lamar the sky would be falling

[@RASHONBOND973]

doesnt this feel like phillip rivers all over again?

[@HereWeGooo4]

@@RASHONBOND973 Phillip Rivers 2.0🤣

[@seanswinton6242]

They also blamed Baker Mayfield in Cleveland. He also had a carousel coaches and coordinators and didn't get a pass. Herbert is not the golden child they think he is.

[@icebergslim3743]

@@HereWeGooo4…….ive been saying this for yrs. The chargers r cursed😂

[@user-lh2lt9hg7b]

Acho got a herb addiction 😂😂😂

[@JGor_37F]

Herbert on the Bills, they are contenders. Allen on the Chargers, no difference.

[@sidneysill8495]

That's a fair and balanced hot-take.

[@Leo_dont_shoot_video]

Well, you would have to add four or five more turnovers a year from Allen for the D to deal with....

[@PropheticREVOlution]

Herbert leads his draft class in TDs and Yards yet he’s the one not doing anything. Herbert is also the only one in his draft class that has had a bottom 10 defense since being drafted

[@77waygodh11]

Burrow -0 Tua-0 Hurts -0 Love-0 Herbert -0 0 🤫

[@aidancowne6365]

statistically speaking, replacing brandon staley with any coach in nfl history would result in a superior defense, just hire an offensive head coach to develop the offense, defense just needs to be better than all time bad, and if it approaches average *chef’s kiss* that’s what the doctor ordered.

[@codywirth8190]

Yep the couple games they actually did show up what do ya know they won.

[@rafzone2995]

What Acho never fail to realizes is that no of those teams had defensive debaucales. Its fact

[@BoyWonder1914]

I love my Packers, but if Keenan Allen or Johnson don’t drop those passes we’re not even having this discussion. The fact that isn’t brought up is why I now only watch this when it comes up on Autoplay while watching sports segments in general

[@Travis89-ob5tt]

I used to think the roster was really good too I've since moved on from that. There's always somebody hurt, or stars underperforming, terrible coaching etc.

[@brandonjackson6323]

Exactly not a top 5 shady is smoking. Dallas sf Philly cincy Miami all better

[@josephheenan1695]

Exactly. Although their o line is decent, their only weapon offensively is Keenan Allen, and their defense aside from the d-line this year as atriocus

[@Tu_Carnalxiii]

All that talent on the roster means nothing with Staley coaching 'em up.

[@Alex-sf9bo]

@@josephheenan1695 nah they have 14 pro bowl caliber players if they were 9-1 right now no one would say they overachieved you would say they have so much talent every team looks bad when they lose look how awful 49ers looked on their 3 game losing streak everyone said their not that good

[@andrecastillo2612]

herbert should never be in the position to play superhero ball. no other elite qbs are in that same position.

[@tblack6296]

Stop making excuses Lamar been playing superhero ball for years.

[@brandonjackson6323]

@@tblack6296stop comparing the franchises chargers had a HOF qb and couldn’t get it done

[@josephheenan1695]

@@tblack6296Lamar has a top 3 defense lmao

[@tblack6296]

@@brandonjackson6323 What are you talking about ? Nobody's talking about franchises we're talking about Qb's super heroes for their teams so learn how to read before you comment

[@tblack6296]

@@josephheenan1695 This year stupid but last couple of years he's been playing with injured players and no receivers.

[@angeldelreal3688]

Acho praises Mahomes when his wrs keep dropping everything, but herbert can't get it done.

[@thetarheel2010j]

I think the players have quit on Staley… you can see it with some of their effort. Drop passes, blown coverages, etc.. I heard a stat that prior to Staley showing up, the chargers had a top 5 defense 3 years in a row. Since he took over, they’re near the bottom of the league…

[@ahjuxue2121]

I already knew they gave up on him since week 2. When he called that T.O. on a 3rd and 2 against the Titans and allowed the Titans to sub King Henry back in (they ran up the middle and got a 1st). You can see the players were confused AF bout that and that was the last straw.

[@crypto_thug9218]

Herbert takes more blame in the press than Staley where he’s the only one carrying them

[@lennybeason1110]

Lamar been winning with less talent so quit lying about Herbert being better! All of these excuses are nauseating ‼️

[@angelopinagomes1591]

Tell them!!!

[@alekzlevario296]

Have the ravens had a bottom 2 defense throughout Lamar’s career? Serious question idk much about the ravens

[@ladariusspires3395]

The franchise u play for matters.

[@arnoldjones8224]

The excuses they have for Herbert, Burrow, and Allen when they don't perform is ridiculous. But when it comes to Lamar its a different story.

[@angelopinagomes1591]

@@alekzlevario296 that is not lamar 's fault..the chargers didnt have a bottom defense before stealy got there they are at the bottm sinds he is there...

[@JamesJordanbestnetworkeralive]

The chargers should have never fired Anthony Lynn

[@danielcopeland7365]

Acho, herbert has the 2nd most 4th quarter comebacks/ wins in the last 3 years bro.

[@ChicoSlicc]

I’m just glad to see Herbert get frustrated. He always seemed too cool with coming up short. He never came off as the leader of that team imo, but I think he finally had his breaking point. Sometimes you gotta say fuxx it and take control.

[@noahrodriguez8893]

Staley showed he should have been fired 2 years ago 😳

[@87adiwakar]

Herbert went to the best situation in his draft class? Wtf is Ocho smoking? Burrow and Hurts both ended up with teams with better overall rosters (Herbert only had a top-10 roster by his 3rd year but then most of them ended up being injured) and head coaches. Herbert had among the worst offensive lines, 2 head coaches in 2 years, a conservative OC in Lombardi, coupled with a roster that constantly broke down with injuries at major positions and had one of the statistically worst defensive units over the 4 years he's been there. Apart from their OL issues Burrow is stacked with offensive weapons, a great offensive-minded head coach, and what has consistently been a very good-to-excellent defense behind him. Hurts has probably the best roster in the NFL on both sides. Truly stupid takes from people who don't even follow the Chargers and just react to surface-level QB win-loss records. Herbert is by no means perfect and still has to grow but is ABSOLUTELY not the problem. Take him out and the Chargers are hands down one of the worst teams in the league. Oh, and the dude is among the top 3 with the most game-winning drives since he entered the NFL which no one ever talks about because it undermines social media analysts like Ocho's batshit narrative. What is he supposed to be, prime Brady or Manning all of a sudden? Apart from Mahomes, I don't see any current QB doing better in the situation Herbert's in if you straight-up swap them.

[@TheRealYoungOz]

Burrow didn’t but tua and hurts had beat situations they went to teams that had competent offices burrow and Herbert went to dysfunction

[@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo]

James Jones spot on with his takes here.

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

Acho coined the perfect name for Herbert. TIK Tok QB. Herbert and Burrow have not lived up to their contract

[@willsportz]

I really want to know how u watched that game yesterday and are trying to say it's Herbert's fault

[@ThirdThinker]

​@@willsportzHe didn't watch the game. People like that get their sports from ESPN and Fox Sports and think they understand and know what they are talking about.

[@richardmedler4650]

​@willsportz Herbert just got a strong arm that's it but nothing in between them ears its hollow 😂

[@beazy3364]

Who has outside of Mahomes? He's the only one that has a ring in this generation.

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

@@willsportz it's ALWAYS someone else's fault

[@TheVinnicash]

Fire Staley, hire Belichick, keep Kellen Moore as OC…. BB fixes the defense and the coaching mental errors and Herbert stays in the same system. That’d be a good way to fix this team.

[@alexisgaxiola8998]

Joy finally telling these foos shut up, let me cook with my take 🙌🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 making the most sense.

[@DerQuanDoucett]

Joy wanted to slap acho so bad when he was interrupting her 😂😂

[@dlink6422]

Can't imagine the Tune Joy would be singing if Dak Prescott was to be in the middle of his 4th year with 0 playoff wins and on the verge of missing the playoffs

[@codywirth8190]

What part is historically bad defense do you not understand?

[@dlink6422]

@@codywirth8190 only gave up 20 points vs the Cowboys. Justin Herbert threw the game ending interception Can't always blame the defense just like in the playoffs defense gave Herbert a 27-0 lead

[@codywirth8190]

@@dlink6422 He as pressured on like 60% of his plays, numb balls. Did he play great then? No. But when you have no Oline age free runners in your face, that's the result.

[@dlink6422]

@@codywirth8190 it's year 4 how long we going to keep making excuses for him

[@codywirth8190]

@@dlink6422 What do you mean? Having a historically bad defense is an excuse? They're once again wheeling out a top 5 offense with a bottom 5 defense. Newsflash, points in the first half count the same as the second half.

[@josiahvaloree]

Joy aint disappointed by Herbert... she's been rooting for him to fail. It's as if she sees his success as an antagonist to the resume of Tua. Do these people even watch the games. Last game there were touchdown passes bouncing off his top receivers chests and off their hands.

[@paranoia_xo]

Joys just mad that the Dolphins could be a dynastic team with Herbert as opposed to that little noodle arm shrimp they got

[@chrisroy966]

Put Herbert in any other situation. Bengals Ravens Dolphins Eagles KC Seattle lions and this troll Acho will be praising him. Chargers organization as a whole is terrible. It’s not Herbert’s fault.

[@HitmanRips]

They talk like Justin Herbert has never lead a comeback. He actually has 13 comeback victories since 2020, one behind Kirk Cousin who leads with 14 since that time. Yea, he has failed a few times this year, but that falls on the Chargers being the Chargers. They forget that in those games, the he lead them to the lead or tie, before their defense gave it up, in all those games. What about this week in Green Bay, where he threw a dot to Quentin Johnston, and QJ dropped what was possibly a Touchdown, at the very least in position for a game tying FG. The game shouldn’t have even got to that point, dropped passes, Ekeler fumble inside the 5 yard line, a PI penalty on 3rd and 20 to extend the drive where Green Bay took the lead…it’s the Chargers being the Chargers. Without Herbert the Chargers are the worst team in the league and may have 0 or 1 win.

[@kingroyalty9621]

So funny anytime Lamar lose or have a bad game …The media make it all about him and what he needs to do but anytime Burrow /Herbert or Allen lose u hear these guys in the media blame it on everyone but them !

[@jch0366]

Preach!

[@DanteTaviantzghfgh]

That's a pure lie. Herbert gets bashed heavily

[@kingroyalty9621]

@@DanteTaviantzghfgh when ?

[@losc.1587]

​@@kingroyalty9621u watch this vid? Or any other vid these guys put out on the Chargers? they stay bashing Herb

[@DeportillegalAliens]

Lamar is trash, weakest drop back QB in the NFL ..never passed for 4 k yrds

[@antoinetheartist]

I hope my chargers elevate Kellen Moore so we can keep the staff together. All the replaced coaches are working all that's left is Ansley and Staley.

[@jwjoness]

As a Cowboys fan, it only makes sense since he learned from JG. He wants a HC job.

[@adrianrodriguez3984]

Everyone mentions the talent on defense like they haven’t been ranking dead last since he got here

[@Treyxxx0]

Acho seems like he waits on Herbert down fall 😂

[@joshgibson7978]

but what they don’t consider is that if jalen hurts was on the chargers this season, the chargers would be 2-8 😂 herbert is the only reason the chargers aren’t getting blown out every game

[@Gmantactical17]

Dude has a broken finger!! They so bias with there takes!!

[@AspectofFrost]

bro only read the headline

[@adrianrodriguez3984]

No one talks about how Staley will have cornerbacks 8 yards back on a 3rd and 1

[@jonathanreid6196]

Funny how they ridiculed Dallas for moving on from Kellen Moore. SITUATIONAL FOOTBALL MATTERS.

[@RUTHLESSambition5]

Here come the EXCUSES!! It's the coach, defense,WR,Weather,the sun in his eyes.

[@isaiahh4108]

Watch the games my guy

[@willsportz]

I mean... did u watch the game? He played amazing, his recievers didn't help him out, and the defense allowed Jordan love to have career game

[@Bankroll98]

Facts! Herbert got paid to lead this team! No excuses! Lamar did more for ravens with less talent! Patrick mahomes did more with less talent! Trevor did more with less talent! All Herbert do is get coaches FIRED!

[@isaiahh4108]

@@Bankroll98 when did Mahomes not have more ?

[@Bankroll98]

@@isaiahh4108 are you serious?

[@andrecastillo2612]

As a chargers fan send Herbert to pittsburgh

[@Marc21j]

@houseofguards2391 he's a steelers fan trying to disguise as a chargers fan

[@sidneysill8495]

I despise the Steelers, but can openly admit that would be absolutely terrifying.

[@andrecastillo2612]

@houseofguards2391 so that we can watch herbert succeed

[@msready702]

I appreciate the honest discussion here... Minus Acho who stays with the idiocy

[@coreybeemon8212]

Herbert has the 3rd most 4th qtr comebacks since he entered the league with 15 😂

[@Messigoat1033]

It seems like there is always an excuse for certain type of QB. Oh Josh Allen needs a new OC. Oh Joe borrow needs a new O line. Oh Justin Hebert needs a better defensive coach. 🤔 While certain looking QB never get that benefit of the doubt and will be labeled “Injury prone” or “not winners” I wonder why 🧐

[@Renegade-kf8fp]

It cause he both that’s why Have fun wasting away 230 million dollars

[@tonykiriakidis5219]

Umm Joe burrow won 5 playoff games in 2 years. They won 5 is the previous 57 years. Two full years one Super Bowl and one AFC chip . Only guy to head to head Mahomes . No excuses for him needed . Herbert neither. These fools act like they didn’t see the drops yesterday or Herbert lead winning drive with 6 to go. Allen is great too. Just too many turnovers

[@shawnn7502]

Lamar Jackson has the same excuses made for him. If you watch this team and think Herbert is the problem, not sure what to tell you. As a Packer fan who watched the game yesterday, which wasn't even Herbert's best performance, by a long shot, I would say Herbert had nothing to do with that loss. He put the win right on Quinton Johnson's hands, and he dropped it.

[@Messigoat1033]

@@tonykiriakidis5219 you name borrow all achievements for why he needs excuses but then mention a dude who blew A 27 point lead. 😂 you part of the circle we talking about

[@Messigoat1033]

@@shawnn7502 Umm how long did it take for Jackson to get his contract compared to those dudes? Exactly

[@jajay7810]

Coaches are supposed to make players better. They should be elevating their game none of Herbert’s coaches have helped him get better.

[@TheRealYoungOz]

Moore has he more efficient scorer they haven’t even clicked as a offense we can’t even get same 4 wr on field week after week

[@fb8650]

Acho should be in the 2023 playa hater’s Ball

[@OrlandoTurner18]

Acho trying to be the smartest in the room makes him sound the most ridiculous

[@harryellerby5286]

Acho, you're the only one with common sense on this panel Bro. While the 3 stooges are all over the place or make excuses for every player not named DeShaun Watson, you make valid points and give good unbiased commentary. Salute...

[@AceGarcia23]

Don't forget to zip his pants back up when you're done

[@357say]

Blame everyone but Herbert ❤

[@quellth3gamer]

Y’all clearly don’t watch our games and it shows

[@farmboy8904]

Joy always hating on my herb man

[@jeanfourcade]

The Herbert situation is a fascinating "emotional bias" paradox: all (media, fans...) say that Herbert has greatness in him, while greatness blatantly keeps eluding him, season after season, coach after coach, game after game. "We" have collectively decided once and for all that we LOVED Herbert, he's up there in our collective esteem with Burrow or Allen, when much more deserving QBs like Goff, Dak or Mayfield still struggle to find consideration out of their fan base. Fascinating "Golden Boy" phenomenon, the Herbert adoration.

[@ichrishenderson]

Because he's a top 3 qb that's why people adore him. Sadly he has to Play for chargers.

[@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo]

Because people see much more potential in him than any of the QBs you just mentioned (Goff, Dak, and Mayfield). He shows flashes of greatness not seen in any of those players you listed. He dazzles with the eye test. He has more arm talent than the guys you listed. Apparently, you've never watched their coach literally coach them out of the playoffs. People act like winning is solely a QB stat when there's tons of film this year alone that shows it's a full team effort.

[@anhl5091]

LOL you actually mentioned Mayfield in the same sentence as Herbert? I'll give Dak props this year and Goff has DEFINITELY resurrected himself in Detroit and good for him. but to bring up Mayfield...LOLOLOL!

[@jeanfourcade]

@@anhl5091 Mayfield has achieved more in football than Herbert so far. That's why the Herbert adoration is a paradox.

[@corning1]

Then you don’t watch football. Herbert is the second best qb in the league.

[@Elipequedo]

Acho loves to be controversial!!! Justin Herbert threw a PERFECT pass to Quentin Johnston on Sunday that he flat out dropped. He's the biggest reason this team is in most games!!! The Chargers defense is awful and is mostly responsible for the losses this year.

[@EMuse888]

Performance tends to decline after you get paid, especially when your stack is $262.5 million. BUT, Herbert has the talent, it's Staley's in-game calls that are absolutely baffling. Elevate Kellen Moore to HC and hire a stud DC.

[@loislane4583]

All of this is Herberts fault according to these crazy people....

[@t_poore3788]

From year 1 to year 2 of herbs career all his numbers went up including a 5000 yard passing season with 40 total tds, the chargers went from 7-10 to 9-8 giving them a winning record that’s not a good enough jump?

[@jonathanvillagran1803]

That 2-5 made sense . I can finally agree with Acho on that one only . Other than that I alway imagine Wiley slapping this dude .

[@FrugalPCOG]

Until they sell that team, nothing will ever change. The one constant all these years is Spanos. The same owner that kept Rivers for 20yrs and paid him 200 million to never win a playoff game.